Gee thanks. I thought you meant about one of my picks that's why I asked.

It's funny, when I saw a certain musical act not yet taken earlier this evening, I was chompin' at the bit put them down (just to knock them out) but now I'm not sure if I'll even pick them.

You've double-read the rules to make sure your question is not addressed? I think it's quite possible that we have seen the last of ML for the evening.

dola: which is fine I suppose -- means I can go to bed instead of staying up to get to my turn. :)

Ruling sent.

Oh, you're here!

I was just about to pack things in.

lordscarlet nails another one! nice pick with Rage there...

Thanks Subby, you have me sweating, so I have to make every pick count.

Classic -
Epic -
Arena - Born in the U.S.A.- Bruce Springsteen
Trendsetter -
Love Song - Imagine - John Lennon
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

The draft so far...

1.1 Classic -Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin
1.2 Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana
1.3 Classic - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
1.4 Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
1.5 Classic - Yesterday - The Beatles
1.6 Trendsetter - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
1.7 Arena - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
1.8 Crossover - Walk This Way - Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
1.9 Anti-Establishment - Fight the Power - Public Enemy
1.10 Classic - Hotel California - Eagles

2.1 - Epic - American Pie - Don Maclean
2.2 - Classic - Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones
2.3 - Trendsetter - Rapper's Delight - The Sugarhill Gang
2.4 - Trendsetter - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
2.5 - Epic - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
2.6 - Trendsetter - Rock Around The Clock- Bill Haley and The Comets
2.7 - Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - The Sex Pistols
2.8 - Trendsetter - Respect - Aretha Franklin
2.9 - Epic - BaBa O'Reilly (Teenage Wasteland) - The Who
2.10 - Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police - N.W.A.

3.1 - Freebird - Lynyrd Skynyrd - Epic
3.2 - Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Classic
3.3 - The End - The Doors - Epic
3.4 - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter - Arena
3.5 - Crossover - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
3.6 - London Calling - The Clash - Anti-Establishment
3.7 - Layla - Derrick and the Dominoes - Epic
3.8 - Killing in the Name - Rage Against the Machine - Anti-Establishment
3.9 - Born in the U.S.A.- Bruce Springsteen - Arena
3.10 - Macarena - Los Del Rio - One-hit wonder

Hmm ...

more like hmmWTFmmmm...

Top 15 greatest rock song, and #1 greatest ballad. I already had the anti-est and classic category filled, except that I needed to update my list for earlier picks.

you saw the WKRP episode right?

Not recently. ;) Remind me.

indeed

Classic - (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - Rolling Stones
Epic -
Arena - Born in the U.S.A.- Bruce Springsteen
Trendsetter -
Love Song - Imagine - John Lennon
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - Fight the Power - Public Enemy

Just to update the list. I'm going for the whole package deal.

Good point, forgot about that. Interesting square peg/round hole move, will see what the voters think.

on the phone with the fiance, will post pick when i'm off

I know, it was too good of a song to pass up. I'm thinking now I should've gone with my first choice.

It's just... not a love song. :)

Maybe a "love the world song" but, that's even a rough fit.

Actually Oh Yoko! would have been an even better love song there, but might not have the same name recognition amongst the voters.

Heh - the WKRP episode was about some far right group trying to get the station to ban a bunch of songs and they had a little discussion about Imagine. But - I forgot you already had a great Anti-Est song...Fight the Power was great....

Having Satisfaction, Imagine, Born in USA and Fight the Power is not a reach, don't you think?

I hope our fair voters realize it is not about just the songs.

After all, would you draft Marshall Faulk to play defensive end? :D

as much as the rest of your draft has been superb Buccaneer, in that spot, Imagine is a reach. It isn't a love song. It is a wonderful song, and it would fit in other places...not there.

I always do things differently. :)

I think as we go on we will see more people "squeeze" songs into certain places that may be a stretch

Can I use the Bucc Rule again? ;)

Esp. Crossover, I think.

If anyone ever wants to know how St.Cronin paads his post count he is 5th in posts in this thread and he isn't even drafting.

I called an audible at the last minute here. I had already started to write up another pick. I am taking the inaugural Party pick. This is another song that just stands out as a top pick in the category. I think there are a lot of songs out there about sex and drugs, but how many are specifically about the partying?! (OK, a lot). In any event, with the third pick of the fourth round, I will take "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party)" by the Beastie Boys.

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - 2.3 - "Rapper's Delight", The Sugarhill Gang
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - 4.3 - "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party)", Beastie Boys
Crossover - 1.8 - "Walk This Way", Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
Cover -Anti-Establishment - 3.8 - "Killing in the Name", Rage Against the Machine

That's what i'm talking about.

If this draft were a woman. lordscarlet is making sweet love, and Bucc can't figure out how to undo the bra strap.

Yeah, I had that Beastie Boys tune pegged as the top party song. There are a few other really solid ones out there, though.

my turn>

yep, should be. then ntndeacon.

I am ready and waiting. :D

Bucc,

Woman would have been a much better choice using Lennon.

I must confess that I despise this particular song. I dislike the artist and the crackhead she became. I hated the movie, and hate Kevin Costner too, but I'm taking the biggest cover hit of all-time. (Or it was anyway.)

Cover- I Will Always Love You- Twitney Houston 4.4

a nice pick vtbub and that was one of 3 I was thinking of.

And also ranks very high on the "i had no idea that was a cover!" scale for the average person. I love the pick to death, but i wonder how the voters will feel.

It's a toughie, especially since, IMHO, Dolly Parton's was so much better, but it fillsone of my girl spots and knocks her off her other strong suit, love songs.

My next pick caused me some concern. this is not the artist's best loved song. When he was recording the album this song was on he was told how crazy it was for him to try it. This song is the soul of that album...Modern Sounds in Country Music.

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena -
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash

superb pick, ntdeacon.

there were others iwanted in a couple of categories, but I figured Mr. Chales could not last too much longer. Plus I can't think of many crossover hits into any genre that I personally like better.

Great thread guys...pissed I didn't see it earlier!!!

Holy in the Holy Fuck is "Imagine" a love song? Unless we have expanded 'love song' to mean loving of society?

From Wikipedia:

So, I am just now catching up this thread..

Much fun.. unfortuantely commenting on picks this far after the fact just doesn't make too much sense... but I have to say I think there are like 2-4 guys pulling away from the pack here..

Yeah, i'd easily put it in the other category.. that is if i had a gun to my head and HAD to pick that song at this point.

Wait, do posts in this thread count?

I don't think they do cronin. it is just your imagination.

*phew*

"Imagine there's no post count..."

you've entered .... The Cronin Zone.


(hums the theme to Twilight Zone in my head)

Actually, ntn, I have my own theme music.

Maybe cronin, but that music is not in my head. (I think I am tankful for this. :) )

good family guy episode

OK. I should go to bed.

Maple Leafs: My list I sent to you is no longer valid. I've picked two of them, and I am holding off on the third for now. I doubt it will get back to me before I wake up, or probably before I get to work even (9:00 EST or so). But wade should be around and can handle things if necessary.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME! YOU NEEDED TO PICK Saving all my Love for the Love category.

Thanks for getting that stuck in my head.

I stand by my pick. :)

Everytime lordscarlet picks, I mark someone off my draft board :angry:

OK folks, I'm back. Sorry to disappear last night with no warning, the little one decided to get cranky and "I have to go post on a message board" wouldn't have gone over too well.

Here's my pick:

Classic -
Epic -
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince
Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Glad I could be of assistance! It just makes it easier for you to pick, right? Narrows down your choices. :p

Quick thoughts on some picks:

Imagine -- Risky move, some voters will punish, others won't care. We'll see.

I Will Always Love You -- There were two seperate times in the draft when someone had sent this in as a pick, but I held off just in case they changed their mind. It's a great pick, especially with the female requirement, but it's also the sort of thing that a few voters will squawk about. "You picked that song, I can never vote for you!" Sort of like picking Titanic in a movie draft. And by the way, as we go there will be a lot more of those types of picks out there.

lordscarlett -- You like rap, don't you? If you pick Ice T's "99 Problems" as a love song, I'm going to start to worry.

I think that Prince one is pretty solid. I think there's about 3-4 true solids in that category and then a pretty steep drop-off.


side note - anyone else notice that lordscarlet has triggered multiple runs on categories?

It's seriously hilarious if you knew how much his list right now does not match his musical tastes.

I'm heading into work, will post Butter's pick around 9:30 if he hasn't been by.

My turn now?

Solid pick.

Been some great picks.

Also, I'm not sure that I'd label "Fight for your Right" as a rap song... I think I'd categorize it as a rock song.

Classic -
Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, 1.4
Arena - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter, 3.4
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover - Superstition - Stevie Wonder, 4.7
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols, 2.7

1999 and Fight for Your Right to Party the natural 1-2 in that category...still darkhorses in the mix, however.

Having Prince off the board is tough now because I think Purple Rain would have been a solid choice for Love Song.

If you count Beastie Boys as rap I'm looking at only 30% rap if I don't pick anymore. :) Second, here's my proof that I am not a rap guy: hxxp://www.last.fm/user/lordscarlet/


Yep!

Or crossover...

That's what makes it an even better pick. I've blocked anyone from taking the Beastie Boys as crossover.

Yeah, I could buy that too...

Ok.. maybe i'm ignorant about music, but...

Superstition is a great song... I don't see how in the world it qualifies as crossover though... it's an R&B/Pop song... Stevie is primarily a R&B/Pop Artist...

Right?

I mean, he's on Motown Records - but in the end he's an R&B/Pop artist...

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

True, but it's not like Cash was a run-of-the-mill country artist who happened to be accepted by the pop fans. He wasn't a Billy Ray Cyrus or even Garth Brooks. He had a very unique style that was his own, and that style was both accepted by both groups of fans. At the time, people thought you couldn't appeal to both but he came up with something new that managed to do it.

That's what makes it crossover-worthy, I'd argue.

It definitely has rock elements, so crossover would work too potentially. It's funny, if that song came out now it would definitely be rock. But back then, shouting one rhyming line at a time really was considered rap. It was still a new genre, at least to the mainstream.

Is it possible for a song to switch genres over time? Not sure, but this one seems to.

NoMyths is on the clock. Lathum is next, and I have his picks.

So Subby, start toking now, you'll be up soon.

Fight for your Right was definitely considered rap at the time.

edit - at least, by white kids.

Pick up soon.

I have a feeling Lathum has one of my picks... :\

So far I have Maple Leafs, Lord Scarlet, and Butter as the clear leaders. Superstition was certainly a great pick for crossover, I think people are really going to have problems with that category as time goes on. I think the key categories are going to be:

Anti-Establishment
Party
Crossover
Trendsetter
One-hit wonders

I think those that chose Arena or Classics early are going to kick themselves, because there are enough of those songs out there, that they are not good values early. The drop off in the categories above are huge.

With regards to one-hit wonders, its not so much that there are not a lot of them, but how many have held up over time, and which ones will people remember fondly? For example, while Macarena was the biggest hit ever, it is dated now, and how will people vote?

Fight for Your Right also takes Sabotage out of the Crossover category.

Stepping out of the Sixties wheelhouse now. I'm happy to be taking this band off the board, and the main reason I'm not taking any of their other hits is because they are either better suited to categories for which there are better choices and because it sits atop my current Arena list, with little else of quality besides it.

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic - 3.3 - The End - The Doors
Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

I wondered about this with Macarena.

I think it could be pretty easily argued that it is the "biggest" one-hit wonder of all time.

But I think there's a lot of argument as to the one-hit wonder that has held the test of time the longest.

I think this will come down to voter opinion because people could feel either element is more important. I think the only way to dispell Macarena as the top choice here, is to feel stronly that standing up over time is important.

I'm kind of disappointed that Purple Rain wasn't used.

Good analysis. I thought Macarena was an interesting pick, but probably not good enough.

And Anti-Establishment? ;)

Yeah, but it was a mainstream hit as well.

I really look at the Crossover category as a song that was so good in its genre, that people that didn't listen to that did, and enjoyed it.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Isn't Pop/R&B Mainstream? Maybe i'm living in an alternate universe, but what is more mainstream than pop?

I really thought somebody would tap U2 for a love song in the first couple of rounds. With or without you, maybe.

This is solid analysis. I know of atleast one song out there that was a big as Macarena, the artist never had another hit though he did try often and the song is still awesome in it's lameness. So that song probably meets both criteria

Plus, I'm worried people are using "their" definition too much...

The definition laid out in the rules -


I think that several of the picks have come far from fitting that definition.