Whoops, let me take that back. For in-game purposes, that should have read prostitute, not hooker.

I knew plenty of whores in high school, so yeah, there is a difference.

Fouts, was not asking at all about Izulde's allegiance - but was expecting a certain district for your answer and it wasn't the one I expected. Which leads me to believe that if you are telling the truth that there are a whole bunch of ladies of the night in this game.

just finished reading up... A few good clues out there, in my opinion.

The urchins kick major ass.

You are just trying to convince yourself that there is a role in this game that will be as good as the one you had in the Lord of the Rings game. No chance, bearman.

After the Lord of the Rings game, Schmidty is no longer allowed to use the Schmidty Ploy.

Outside of the named roles, I believe there to be multiple versions of each type of villager.

This part of one of Alan's bigger post is one of the most intriguing posts all day for various reasons..anyone else notice it?

I noticed it but was pretty mystified as to what he meant.

Well I'll help you out. He is talking about the opium den, where in an opium induced slumber you have a chance of having visions that can help you out. I have that option as well in my role. It is a night action, where you can choose to visit the opium den.

good dubb, you just moved up my trust list

Well, this game is more complicated than I suspected. Then the opium dealer is probably in play? Anybody have any idea what he does? Maybe gets information on the player who visits?

Ditto.

I would say that all of us who have the option to visit the opium dealer know exactly what could result from it... and no one should say what that is or give a whole lot of info on it just yet.

I agree. There will be atime where this info, and well, all info is very useful. but I don't think right now is that time either.

Sweet. I was right about multiple versions of my "role". Gonna be tough on the bad guys.

NTN, im sorry if you take this wrongly, but your comment feels very much like a latch on. Swaggs is only a little more trusted then you becuase of earlier comments. I tend to trust only the first person who reveals it, as with all this info flying around the bad guys are desperate to latch onto something. Your posts seems like such an attempt.

The same applies for those who agreed with fouts on his 5 shillings comment.

And ill dola to add that i expect quite a few kills quite soon...chief said before the game there would be mechanisms in place to speed up the game. Therefore, i expect 2 kills a night to not be all that rare.

I'm at a loss as to when it's a good idea to reveal certain information and what dubb said kinda threw me for a loop. I mean exactly how much do we reveal?

I guess it's to one's own discretion.

*shrug*

I do realize this Blade, but that doesn't mean I should not show my agreement with a point. I am still trying to digest all that happened in the last 7 hours.

You should do whatever you think is wise..im just stating a fact that right now you are my top suspect becuase of your action

I have a question to throw out there. this Fagin...(not really read Oliver Twist) do you think that he is like the evil one's seer?
I am also wondering whether the Artful Dodger is a role or a job given out among the Orphans. If so we may see that role again.

That 37 dead villagers and counting tagline might have something to do with that...... :p

Information helps the good guys more than the bad guys. That is the way I've always played it. The more the group knows, the better it is for the good guys. I really don't think I said anything truely ground breaking.

I agree, but only if its well timed. Maybe im confusing DC...i think information is great, if shared at a time where it does more harm to evil then good. While all this info today is great, its day one and it helped them just as much as us. By sharing this info we have made they list of targets at night shorter. Now, granted, they might worry about killing other bad players, but if i were them i would be quite satisfied with the info out there right now.

Blade, I am not one who likes to give up info willingly. Swaggs comment said basically that he did not want info leaked unneccesarily. Of Course I am going to agree with that. besides I said more than just be quiet about the Opium den. I said it wasn't time to share MOST of the info.

I agree with this, and im saying pretty much the same thing in other posts...im just telling you what i felt about your post

well if nothing else Blade, you got me to elucidate more clearly what iwas trying to say too. I still claim that what idid was not just latching on to what Swaggs said.

Yeah, it's confusing at times. I guess the more I play, the more I'll get a feel for what information should be leaked and whatnot.

NTN, to be fair, being my top suspect on day 1 means nothing...i fully expect by the end of the night, when we find out who died and did what, i will have 20 more top suspects

Did anyone try their day action?

Playing as a bad guy more will help that as well..basically, ask yourself to think hard. Most positives of revealing are easy to see, but the negatives take thought. For all the trust fouts or dubb gained from me today, they also allowed the bad guys to cross players off their potential seer/bodyguard list...so its a double edged sword. Its tricky balancing giving info and playing close to your vest, but thats why its such a fun game. This is basically a big game of poker, and we all have our cards dealt to us. Now its all a matter of figuring out whos bluffing, how much you should hint at the pocket aces you were dealt, or how long you should hold onto the 2s in hopes of drawing out the guy bluffing for other players to take down.

Ok, now i just confused myself...:p

lol Blade. I imagine you are right. I know Ihave a couple of slim threads to pull at in the next couple of days.

I am wondering about Fagin though since it seems likely he is in the game. I am wondering if he kills and if so how. Although he was evil, was he ever considered a murderer? Bill Sikes was but idon't think Fagin was. I realize that probably doesn't help a whole lot and may be completely without merit. My first thoughts is that his killing might be a last resort type of thing if he can at all.

Yeah, unfortunately for me, I've been bad once... even then it wasn't a true "wolf" role since I couldn't kill anyone.

Nah, your explanation makes sense.

Wasn't there something in the rules about stealing? I wonder if that's what Fagin can do rather than kill.

quiet so far. and i hafta confess...i don't really have a good read on anything. hopefully later here on weds. i'll be able to get a handle on what's going on!

Yes Ithink it said something about the urchins stealling wallets. it does make it look possible that Fagin is a dark seer.

Hmmmm. I thought we got much more out of today than the usual day 1.

Yeah, me too. My spreadsheet is so nice and colorful from all the info I gathered :)

Spreadsheets? Ah, it's always touching to see another one of us go over the edge.....(I need to transfer my notepad info into mine!) :D

Yeah, it's mostly for votes though. There's no way I can go through some sort of document to find what I need, so creating filters in my spreadsheet facilitates narrowing down who voted for who.

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that has never used notepad and/or a spreadsheet to help myself out in these games. I'm old school, I do things by memory and on the fly.

does using a notepad count. :) i have used one of those when Iwas at home in games before...course that seems pretty neaderthalish now. :D

I used to also but I'm old and kept forgetting things, especially after a 7 page in one hour burst. Plus sometimes I'm stoned.

Did someone say stoned? Yeah... I want some of that

I don't mind putting myself out there to give the seers another night to scan people. Hopefully, they know what they are doing.

i wont say "oh me too, me too", as that would be an obvious latch on, so i guess i will just have to take comfort in the fact that you, blade, hoops and I all appear to be on the same team

Going to be interesting to see where the bad guys go with their kills tonight if that list of good guys is accurate, Saldana.

dola, i am off to work, i'll be back on between noon and 1 eastern during my lunch hour.

yikes

Hmm... I read Fouts wrong, I thought he was a prostitute.

I hope Raiders Army is pleased with your word choice this time ...

Reference diagram in Post #399

Pleased with word choice, concerned that three Londoners are gone.

I'll check back in at lunch time with some thoughts.

I had Fouts and BrianD both in the same role as me, so it isn't too much of a suprise to see I was right on them. I guess the only good thing is that the bad guys spent time killing common villagers last night. It seemed pretty obvious at least two of the three were common, so I wonder why they would have spent time killing them instead of looking for more powerful roles?

Is this a sign that they can't communicate with each other, and went for a safe kill rather than killing another sure bad guy? I guess I am a little puzzled by the killchoices last night.

I also am hoping Chief is still sending out PMs since I never got one from last night. I decided to try out the Opium Den, so I'm really curious if I happened to see anything to do with Fouts' death. I was definitly in the nearby area.

Oh and since no one else answered Path's question from last night (I was asleep when it was asked), I tried to use mine yesterday. I doubt its anything significant though and rather a waste of money. I figured better to spend all my money than keep it only to be robbed later.

Going to go shower and get ready to head to work. Will check back in to see if I learned anything last night real quick before I go for the day.

See I think the diagram should look more Venn like. As one could be a whore without being a prostitute.

I would imagine the 3 factions that killed last night can't communicate with each other, I also imagine they are 1 time kills or something like one every 3 nights and they decided not to wait on them on the off chance they get lynched. Allthough we lost 3 londoners I think it was the best possible scenerio since we didn't seem to lose any powerfull roles.

I think there is likely a link between Jonathan and BrianD's killer since BrianD was robbed.

As for my vote yesterday I was exausted having drove from PA to Ohio the day before then getting up early and working all day when I read the thread and not really paying attention so I got a little crossed up but didn't want to be a non voter.

So people go to the opium den in the hopes of gaining information. Why do people go to prostitutes? Are there any other vices lurking around? Gambling perhaps?

Well that is sad. I think it may be the first time I've been a night 1 target. Oh well, enjoy all.

holy crap 3 dead!


so you can find out who, a prostitute is. for a circle of trust to form

Barkeep, are you without vices in this game?

still waiting for my night action PM

BTW can we stop calling the whores "whores", i think "Horizontal refreshments" are more appropirate

Also, I'm bummed to see that Tyrith was killed last night as he was one of the people I had seen on Night 0. So my personal circle of trust shrank as a result of last night's kills.

Good to see that the streetwalkers all made it through unscathed, since they are directly related to a victory condition for one of the bad guys.

I would echo the thought that the bad guys probably can not work together. We know how Jack gets a minor victory, but we don't know what the victory conditions are for Fagin and Hyde/Werewolf (guesses as to other bad guys). But they probably do not include killing prostitutes. So targeting someone who is likely to be a plain villager, while not reducing the ranks of "evil" was probably an OK play for those two.

OK i just found out i got lucky (for 5 shillings). and i now have a circle of trust formed with 2 other people.

also all the people killed last night were Londoners, no "Horizontal refeshments", does this mean Jack didnt attack?

It sounds, by the description given, like Jekyl/Hyde got Fouts.

Perhaps the werewolf got Tyrith?

I wonder if JTR might need to identify the prositutes before killing them, as it doesn't sound like he got anyone last night.

I don't think anyone is innocent in this game, so no I have my own foibles though a vice? Well I'm certainly not into opium if that's what you're asking.

I think the werewolf got Tyrith as well.

I be dead :(

Well, i told you all to expect multiple kills at night...but of course, there are balances in place. We just need to hope our balances came through last night.

Anyone see anything?

Oh, and ntn, just so you know your no longer my top suspect. Like i expected the deaths last night raised my eyebrows in other directions

So what vices do you have? Is robbery, turning into a warewolf or monster, and killing people one of them?

Thats half joke half serious...

Jonathan was not killed, merely sent away from town to an orphanage..so im totally lost as to what link you see. If your trying to say fagin ordered the urchins to kill brian and rob him, i find it likely. What that has to do with jonathans sending away im not sure, other then jonathan worked for fagin.

What exactly did you do last night?...

for the quintuplet dola, i have classes for the next 4-5 hours, and have to write a paper when i get home...so count on me either not being too active or only being active later in the day.

I came upon the end of the attack on Fouts. Unfortunately, I did not recognize his killer, but I'm quite certain it was not Blade, st.cronin, nor ntndeacon as they responded to my call for help.

The only thing I think that this definitively determines is that none of the three is Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde.

Blade, who all suspects do you have out of curiosity?

I think thats a key...they dont know who their allies are, and are afraid if they attack players who arent cleared they will kill another bad guy...thats the vibe i got from last nights selections in kills.

I have a small circle of trust now, and hopefully i can keep it alive long enough to make something of it down the road.

If we have any information about what district the kills took place in that would be terrific. I saw a number of people (four that I can identify) there who left - I don't know if that implies that they live in Cavell and went elsewhere or that they visited Cavell last night and returned home.

hoops, re-read the writeup, Chief specified all three. The first two were Whitechapel, the last Commercial.

1. Do you know for sure it was Hyde?
2. What district did this take place?

MrW, based on your list of people who responded I can safely assume that the four people I saw left Cavell to head to other districts. So if we do want to pursue identifying who lives where I can identify myself and four others. And probably go process of elimination on a couple of others as well.

I have a day action as well..i can bribe an urchin to spy on a sector one tiem a game. It cost me all of my gold, but i figured night 1 was a good time to expect quite a few kills. I did, and sent him to commerical. He told me about the WW who killed tyrith in his sleep, and told me the only other player in the area was barkeep. So i think you can imagine who my suspect is today. From the urchin i know he was in commercial last night, i know the WW killed tyrith in commerical last night, and the PM said barkeep was the only other player there. So i take that to mean he killed tyrith.

I should have sent him to white-chapel with the 2 kills since it was a one time gig, but i figured the bad guys would avoid the most populous street. I got lucky with one though. Now i have no gold, and i make it back at only 2 gold a day so it will be 5 days until i can hire another spy. But i figured it better i say this now then die with this knowledge

What I meant was I was hoping to learn something about Fouts' death since I was there at the opium den when he died nearby last night.

Evidentally at the time Fouts was killed, I was having drug induced dreams about the best baseball team of all time. I can only assume from my PM that I was so in awe at the utter display of baseball talent and some of the finest pitching that human kind has ever seen.

Back to serious game stuff... to follow up on my reply to Path from pre-PM.. I did try to use my daytime ability but ended up finding out that it didn't end up happening for me. So no luck here.

I also will note that I was robbed last night. While away someone broke in and stole the very few Shillings that I had. I'm guessing whoever the robber was, they ended up pretty dissapointed at their poor target :)

Well, anyways I don't have anything great and useful today to bring to the table. I'm going to try to keep up with the thread as best as possible, but I am utterly swamped at work. I have vendors in today, going out for dinner with vendors tonight. I might be in the thread at times today, but likely will just be trying to keep up and very little time for posting.

For now I'll throw out a vote just in case I get so swamped later that I can't get back.

Vote DaddyTorgo

His being utterly confused about certain things last night puts him in a similar category with a few others. I don't know if it makes him good or bad, but i think it significantly reduces the amount of good people he could be.

I'm not sold on this vote so can move it if something breaks today. It was a tossup for me between Bulletsponge and DaddyTorgo though. For the record, I also put St.Cronin in the same category as type of role, but he's been participating a bit more with thoughts so I'm not as eager to try to lynch him this morning.

hoops, see #488 immediately above.

I don't know for sure that it was Hyde, but it was a huge man who tore Fouts apart, so I think it's the logical conclusion.

And it was a one time gig in being able to spy on a sector...i have 1 more time in 5 days in which i can follow a person. Then im out of day actions.

Blade, do you have any idea of when your urchin saw Barkeep relative to Tyrith's slaying?

Sorry, i had to place an offer of 10 shillings for my action to be successful. Tomorrow you may feel free to offer again, as i wont be able to

vote Barkeep

Based on trusting Blade. What a strange game, eh?

He made no mention of time in the PM, or about Barkeep actions or intentions. Only that he was there.

He did say the WW entered the district, implying somebody left another district to go to commercial and kill tyrith. He never said barkeep came or left, or that he was there the whole time. Only that barkeep was the only other person in commercial.

Its taking me alot of time to respond to stuff, so sorry if I'm really delayed. I start writing a post, then get sidetracked with work stuff for 10-30 min then come back to finish it. Was going to say your story makes alot of sense to me.. to follow up on what I said earlier.. path hinted at a day ability, and I said in response that I tried mine.. then later find out it failed. Just to go a little further without giving too much away, the day ability I have also involves using urchins.. however if they are preoccupied by someone who gives them alot of money (more than I give), then they can't carry through with my task. It sounds like you were the one that trumped my day time order and thus didn't allow mine to go through.

Blade -- I think you have bad info. I can tell you, with 100% certainty, that there was someone else in commercial district last night.

I am not a werewolf or any other kind of bad man.