You're fired! :D

Yeah I am going to shock you maybe but I agree with what you are saying and you have changed my mind on Gundy. Especially with what is coming out afterwards from other players. Why can't it just start out as the guy is an asshole and uses borderline racist techniques though instead of crying about a shirt?

Yeah this reeks of Hilary "fainting" on the campaign trail. These are old people (my parent's age) doing exhausting jobs that would tire me out at 45.

I have no idea what the Lincoln Project is though.

Well, the shirt complaints worked.

The Lincoln Project is basically Republicans trying to convince other Republicans not to vote for Trump. So I agree 100% with you and Albion that this isn't a big deal, but I also don't think anyone on this board is the target audience for this ad.

Some of this runs on FNC and is targeted at a one man audience just like the Trump campaign ran ads in DC last week, where all of 6 Republicans actually live. I'll be thrilled when the President doesn't watch TV for 14 hours a day again for targeted advertising.

White House is apparently suing John Bolton to prevent release of his book.

But, according to legal people I follow, the lawsuit is not structured in a way that would actually do that (in terms of who is being joined in the suit, what relief they are technically asking for, etc.)

Which makes me think that Bolton and the WH are in on this together. The "lawsuit" is a publicity stunt to drive sales in exchange for the "tell all" book not actually telling anything that would hurt Trump. It will be a bunch of stuff we already know and, like, one small nugget that we don't that won't change anyone's mind about anything.

Win for Trump.
Win for Bolton.
Win for the Swamp.

Everything's a con.

is that....cheddar? or just congealed grease?

I read the intro to the book on Kindle and what a fucking, self serving, pile of fucking shit Bolton is. It's I know the real truth, I did the real stuff, illegal shit was going on all around me, and I knew it! The democrats fucked up because the impeachment wasn't BROAD enough, because so much illegal shit was going down, everywhere. Fuck this guy.

I am, 100%. Actually, not so much a target since I'm already convinced, but people like me. That said, this type of ad isn't necessary. They have several others that are far better.

Yeah I agree here as much as I liked seeing the ads from Lincoln Project, sometimes they stoop too low. If it not okay to make fun of a disabled journalist, then it shouldn't be okay to make fun of a disabled anybody. I like Repbulicans against Trump videos more. So far they show disenchanted lifelong Republican voters saying they are done with the Republicans and will vote for Biden this time instead of voting for Trump again.

I wish there were some Democratic groups out there making ads like this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...virus-vaccine/

That sorry son of a bitch is going to give anti-vaxxers ammunition for generations.

This has never smelled right from the start. Bolton is as crooked as they come and there's never been a ton of smoke around the idea that he and Trump have bad blood beyond the usual amount between Trump and anyone in his cabinet. I've never thought what angle Bolton could attack Trump from either. Like the usual lame interoffice "he poops and doesn't flush" junk but not anything that would move the dial. Hardly anyone in the country gives two whits about foreign policy. I mean, hell, Eric Trump /himself/ released his own emails about meeting with Russia and that got a collective shrug. Book selling con has always seemed the most likely outcome and, of course, outlets like CNN are going right along with it with pieces like "what could Trump fear from Bolton". The answer is nothing, stupids. Nothing.

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Looks like Papa John's pizza that has been dipped in excessive amount of garlic sauce.

Would be totally on brand for the Trump administration to fast track a vaccine that ends up having dreadful long term consequences for our entire population.

Maybe we can go all I Am Legend!

Well maybe we were a little quick to assume nothing explosive was going to be in Bolton's book:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...3b2_story.html


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How is this any different from Obama telling Putin to lay off until after elections and he could work with him after?

Still disagree with both situations, but I don't see any difference. If anything, at least if Xi tries to help Trump it in theory helps farmers.

Asking a foreign leader to help you win a election is pretty fucked up. Also Bolton is a complete coward for not speaking up earlier.

It was started by some Never Trumper and everyone pretty much laughed at him. Not a good example of "cancel culture".

Eh, it still comes down to he said/Xi said.

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Did Obama Suggest 'More Flexibility' Toward Russia After the 2012 Election?


I'm...not so sure that's quite the same thing?

Obama said he would have more flexibility to negotiate missile defense once the election was over. That was frank, but not in anyway asking for the Russian to help him. That is such an apple/orange comparison. "Well, Obama once negotiated with the Russian's to reduce global threat of nuclear war, so it is completely ok for Trump to openly ask for help to get reelected."

It’s more of a grapefruit & oranges situation for me: they are different, but in the same family.

The funniest part of all of this is that Bolton was a vile lying piece of shit (which he is) to all of you but now is completely believable because he said something bad about Trump.

Yeah, I think we all still think he is a vile piece of shit. The fact he refused to testify in congress makes him a cowardly vile piece of shit.

I don't know that anyone view Bolton any differently. He has always been a vile, war mongering, snake in the grass, who is all about himself and his agenda. Trump just happens to exceed even his low moral compass (in his eyes) so now he is turning snitch.

Besides, I think we have heard enough in the past to know this administration is likely the most unorganized, dysfunctional clusterfuck in this countries history, so what more could he possibly add that casts it in any lower light?

Edit: and what Grant said, his own personal gain is much more important than calling out an inept, corrupt President or he would have testified before congress. But why do for free what you can make a cool million on.

But despite all of that he isn't lying about this? Why exactly? Because he said it about Trump? :banghead:

I think there's a perception of this, but I think it's fantasy play by Fox N Friends deep thinkers. It's not at all how I've see it. That guy is STILL a complete fucking tool. Fuck him and his horse.

He's definitely vile (he most definitely still wants a war with Iran). But was there a lot of concern that he was a massive liar?

That part seems made up to me... He always struck me as being so vile because he said what he exactly believed and didn't care that he came across as a warmongering weasel.

I don't know if he is lying or not. Unless he has proof, it means absolutely nothing.

Sorry but this is just like jailhouse snitch territory to me. Clearly an ax to grind and a proven liar. But hey he will sell a million books because he says "Trump bad" I guess?

Because what he says about Trump is easy to believe given Trump is a garbage excuse for a human

Because what he says about Trump is easy to believe given Trump is a garbage excuse for a human

Iraq war. Along with the whole Republican establishment.

What? I said people will believe him because it's about Trump. What if his "tell all" said shit about other politicians or Democrats? I'm guessing most of you would say consider the source?

Yeah he helped start the Iraq war for one.

Dare I say it's fair to say he's not lying about this stuff because the White House & Department of Justice has had a copy for months and absolutely nobody has accused him of lying, they've only said he's revealing classified information, as far as I know. And it's a claim that can be verified by a second world leader, one way or another.

Exactly my point. Bolton is one as well, in some respects even worse. Sorry but the Iraq war is worse to me than anything Trump has done. Not equating Trump doesn't suck, just that this is a non-story to me. Would love to see zero copies sold, but he knows the American public eats up Trump stuff.

Of course he's not completely believable. If Congress had been allowed to do the oversight they wanted, which included Bolton testifying, they could have investigated his claims. I don't trust anything in his book until its been investigated by Congress/law enforcement/journalists.

But really panerd from what you know of Trump, do you really doubt its not accurate?

If America needs this book to validate Trump is bad, then he should sell no copies because everyone should know. I have no use for either of them.

Does that mean that everyone involved, including Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice is a liar that can never be trusted on anything ever again? Because I am curious about how far that goes. Because it seems like Cheney and Rumsfeld were leading that train and got everyone else on board, either by persuasion or bullying.

Bolton, had been calling for an invasion of Iraq since the mid 90s and recently admitted that even if there weren't WMDs, getting rid of Hussein was a good idea - he's always been very into regime change.

The whole situation is just why I hate politics in general and a big chunk of the American public. I know, I know it sounds like I think I am better than everyone else but I don't really. Its just sad this asshole is going to be going coast to coast on his tell all book extravaganza on "news" stations from every side of the spectrum instead of sitting in a cell. And why? Because they know the American public eat it up.

I don't completely trust Rice or Powell. I would not take any of their word without further proof.

Yes say what you will about Trump but he is no warmonger (relatively speaking of course, every US president in my lifetime with I guess the exception of Carter follows warmongering US foreign policy), and Bolton is the worst kind. I don't live this stuff 24/7 to come up with counter examples on the fly but I'm sure there have been thousands of lies to try to get us into wars that Bolton was involved in. And he is pissed off Trump wouldn't go to war with Iran and has sour grapes that he was fired.

Bolton is just trying to get out early on the thousand or so "tell-all" books that toolbags that wouldn't dare testify in front of either house of Congress are going to publish to "redeem themselves" and trash Trump after the fact. Don't care, won't spend a dime on their cowardice.

There are already plenty of well vetted books out there with plenty of unappealing things to say about trump and his administration.

Like this one that I've been reading.

Didn't Trump himself say China ought to investigate Biden? On the WH lawn, as I recall. This is what happens when you are a lying POS with no morals - everything said about you is believable based on what comes out of your own mouth.

Isn't there a theory that is often repeated in this thread: Trump has little imagination and only accuses those of that which he has done himself

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