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miami_fan 09-07-2009 07:28 PM

There are many reasons for the streak but that is an amazing stat. 17 years of not winning half your games in a season. Forget not winning a title or not making the playoffs during that time. That is just a depressing thought.

tarcone 09-07-2009 08:37 PM

Chris Carpenter tosses a one hit shut out against the Brewers.

Im beginning to feel that anything less then a World Championship this year will be a disappointment.

lungs 09-07-2009 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 2111283)
Chris Carpenter tosses a one hit shut out against the Brewers.


I wish I was listening to Bob Uecker to see if he flashbacked his role as Harry Doyle in Major League:

"One hit? That's all we got? One goddamn hit?"

Monte: "You can't say goddamn over the air!"

Ueck: "Don't worry nobody is listening anyway."

NiteMaestro 09-07-2009 09:02 PM

Uhm...
Why are my Astros so hot right now?
I'm kinda confused by us sweeping the Phillies... (in dramatic fashion, I might add...)

tarcone 09-07-2009 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiteMaestro (Post 2111328)
Uhm...
Why are my Astros so hot right now?
I'm kinda confused by us sweeping the Phillies... (in dramatic fashion, I might add...)


Astros always finish the season hot. No matter how good or bad. You can count that.

And good for beating the Phillies. Cards would love home filed for the playoffs.

Chief Rum 09-08-2009 02:12 AM

Interesting scoring decision over the weekend in KC. Thought I would get SI's take (at least).

Figgy hit a hard bouncer to Betancourt (I think it was Betancourt) in the 8th inning of the Greinke-Lackey duel, and the bouncer ate Betancourt up. Very hard play to make. The scorer ruled it an error. Figgins would come around to score--and Greinke's one run allowed was thusly unearned. The Angels thought it was bad enough of a scoring call to actually appeal to the league office. My understanding is that the league allowed the scorer's decision to stand (although I don't know that they were affirming the scoring decision, so much as not enough to overturn).

So Greinke's ERA drops to 2.22. A little hometown cooking perhaps to try to get Greinke an edge in the "race" to have the best ERA in baseball?

P.S. Kazmir Angels start #2 is Tuesday night--and he goes against King Felix again. He must think that's the only guy he gets to face.

ISiddiqui 09-08-2009 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 2111283)
Chris Carpenter tosses a one hit shut out against the Brewers.


Chris Carpenter is just amazing right now. Glad to see him doing this well after all those injury problems.

MizzouRah 09-08-2009 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 2111283)
Chris Carpenter tosses a one hit shut out against the Brewers.

Im beginning to feel that anything less then a World Championship this year will be a disappointment.


I might be with you there.

sterlingice 09-08-2009 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2111599)
Interesting scoring decision over the weekend in KC. Thought I would get SI's take (at least).

Figgy hit a hard bouncer to Betancourt (I think it was Betancourt) in the 8th inning of the Greinke-Lackey duel, and the bouncer ate Betancourt up. Very hard play to make. The scorer ruled it an error. Figgins would come around to score--and Greinke's one run allowed was thusly unearned. The Angels thought it was bad enough of a scoring call to actually appeal to the league office. My understanding is that the league allowed the scorer's decision to stand (although I don't know that they were affirming the scoring decision, so much as not enough to overturn).

So Greinke's ERA drops to 2.22. A little hometown cooking perhaps to try to get Greinke an edge in the "race" to have the best ERA in baseball?

P.S. Kazmir Angels start #2 is Tuesday night--and he goes against King Felix again. He must think that's the only guy he gets to face.


Was listening on MLB Audio so couldn't see it. I think it was Bloomquist, actually. Any clips anywhere? Considering how rarely they give errors out to the Royals- they're only 4th from the bottom despite being worst by most other metrics- I find it unlikely, but possible.

SI

lordscarlet 09-08-2009 01:17 PM

Any thoughts on the Gold Glove race? The Nationals Journal (Wash Post Blog) makes a case for Ryan Zimmerman today.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nat...tionalsjournal

Quote:

Ultimate Zone Rating
1. Zimmerman (WAS) -- 15.9
2. Feliz (PHI) -- 6.7
3. Blake (LAD) -- 6.5
4. Kouzmanoff (SD) -- 5.7
5. LaRoche (PIT) -- 2.7
Errors
1. Jones (ATL) -- 18
2. Reynolds (ARZ) -- 17
3. Zimmerman (WAS) -- 15
4. Bonifacio (FLA) -- 14
5t. three (Feliz, LaRoche and Wright) -- 13
(Notable) 28t. Kouzmanoff -- 3
Fielding Percentage
1. Kouzmanoff (SD) -- .990
2. Blake (LAD) -- .973
3. Stewart (COL) -- .970
4. LaRoche (PIT) -- .965
5. Feliz (PHI) -- .964
(Notable) 6. Zimmerman (WAS) -- .963
Total Chances
1. Zimmerman (WAS) -- 404
2. LaRoche (PIT) -- 367
3. Feliz (PHI) -- 364
4. Blake (LAD) -- 333
5. Wright (NYM) -- 307
(Notable) 6. Kouzmanoff (SD) -- 298
Double Plays
1. Feliz (PHI) -- 32
2t. Blake (LAD) -- 28
2t. LaRoche (PIT) -- 28
4. Jones (ATL) -- 25
5. Zimmerman (WAS) -- 24
Range Factor/9 Innings
1. Zimmerman (WAS) -- 3.06
2. LaRoche (PIT) -- 2.99
3. Feliz (PHI) -- 2.81
4. Blake (LAD) -- 2.74
5. Reynolds (ARZ) -- 2.65
(Notable) 8. Kouzmanoff (SD) -- 2.33

DeToxRox 09-08-2009 01:29 PM

Zimmerman will win the gold glove because he is the best combination of hitting and defense, which is all that really matters unless you're Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel.

stevew 09-08-2009 01:32 PM

LaRoche has had some really bad spots(i can think of 4 errors that came in 2 games) from time to time, but for the majority of the season he's been excellent. I doubt he wins a gold glove, but he should be at least in the consideration.

lordscarlet 09-08-2009 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2111822)
Zimmerman will win the gold glove because he is the best combination of hitting and defense, which is all that really matters unless you're Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel.


You sure? It seems that David Wright will win over him until the Nationals actually get some wins. The awards never seem to go to guys on a losing team. I mean, of course I want it to go to Zimm, but I will be surprised if it does. His 15 errors (12 of them throwing errors) certainly don't help.

DeToxRox 09-08-2009 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 2111829)
You sure? It seems that David Wright will win over him until the Nationals actually get some wins. The awards never seem to go to guys on a losing team. I mean, of course I want it to go to Zimm, but I will be surprised if it does. His 15 errors (12 of them throwing errors) certainly don't help.


This year he should. The Mets are not exactly a winning team and his power numbers are not much better the Adam Everett of all players. That said I do realize playing in NY will put him on guys lists too lazy to research other candidates but in the end Zim should still win, and if he doesn't, he deserved to.

lordscarlet 09-08-2009 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2111835)
This year he should. The Mets are not exactly a winning team and his power numbers are not much better the Adam Everett of all players. That said I do realize playing in NY will put him on guys lists too lazy to research other candidates but in the end Zim should still win, and if he doesn't, he deserved to.


I'm glad to hear someone outside of DC thinks so. :)

This is the same problem Greinke is going to have, of course. He plays for the Royals. If he was in LA, NY or Boston everyone (ESPN) would be fawning all over him.

Ronnie Dobbs2 09-08-2009 01:53 PM

No one cares about gold gloves.

/ducks

stevew 09-08-2009 02:04 PM

Nyjer should get a gold glove somewhere, but I think the majority of his games were in LF. However the voters gave the CF GG to McLouth last year, so they aren't the smartest.

I doubt McCutch wins this year, but I'm sure he'll be a GG'er a few times in his career.

JonInMiddleGA 09-08-2009 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 2111829)
The awards never seem to go to guys on a losing team.


Umm ... 2008 Gold Glove winners included
3B Adrian Beltre - Seattle (61-101)
SS Michael Young - Texas (79-83)
OF Grady Sizemore - Cleveland (81-81)
OF Ichiro Suzuki - Seattle (61-101)
1B Adrian Gonzalez - San Diego (63-99)
2B Brandon Phillips - Cincinnati (74-88)
OF Nate McLouth - Pittsburgh (67-95)

That's 7 of 18 GG winners from last year on team's that weren't over .500, so it's not as though it isn't at least possible. While there were only 3 sub-500 winners in 2007 there were 6 in '06 and and 8 in '05.

That's fully 1/3rd of the winners over the past 4 years coming from teams that were at or below .500, a pretty long way from "never".

sterlingice 09-08-2009 02:28 PM

Mark Grudzelanek got one for the Royals a couple of years ago (and he deserved it)

SI

Alan T 09-08-2009 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2111865)
Umm ... 2008 Gold Glove winners included
3B Adrian Beltre - Seattle (61-101)
SS Michael Young - Texas (79-83)
OF Grady Sizemore - Cleveland (81-81)
OF Ichiro Suzuki - Seattle (61-101)
1B Adrian Gonzalez - San Diego (63-99)
2B Brandon Phillips - Cincinnati (74-88)
OF Nate McLouth - Pittsburgh (67-95)

That's 7 of 18 GG winners from last year on team's that weren't over .500, so it's not as though it isn't at least possible. While there were only 3 sub-500 winners in 2007 there were 6 in '06 and and 8 in '05.

That's fully 1/3rd of the winners over the past 4 years coming from teams that were at or below .500, a pretty long way from "never".



It is ok, he actually contradicted himself in his own statement. He said Zimmerman wouldn't win it because players on losing teams don't win it.. Then said Wright would, but the problem is Wright is also on a losing team :)

lordscarlet 09-08-2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2111865)
That's 7 of 18 GG winners from last year on team's that weren't over .500, so it's not as though it isn't at least possible. While there were only 3 sub-500 winners in 2007 there were 6 in '06 and and 8 in '05.

That's fully 1/3rd of the winners over the past 4 years coming from teams that were at or below .500, a pretty long way from "never".


Apparently I am completely wrong. That's good to see. :)

Out of curiousity I did some investigation to see why I had that impresison. I really started paying attention to things in 2005 when Washington got a team. In particulary, I have watched 3B because that is where the "Face of the Franchise" is. Since 2000 every NL 3B that has won has been on a winning team, except for Scott Rolen in 2000.

2008 David Wright NYM 92-70
2007 David Wright NYM 89-73
2006 Scott Rolen STL 83-78
2005 Mike Lowell FLA 83-79
2004 Scott Rolen STL 105-57
2003 Scott Rolen STL 85-77
2002 Scott Rolen PHI/STL (80-81/97-65)
2001 Scott Rolen PHI 86-76
2000 Scott Rolen PHI 65-97

I also looked at the E, DP and Fielding % of the previous winners and Zimmerman definitely in line with those numbers.

I am not someone who has been a huge baseball guy my whole life -- it was always a void because I had no home team. Now that I do I am much more knowledgable, but as you can see, there are still a lot of gaps in my knowledge/memory.

lordscarlet 09-08-2009 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 2111879)
It is ok, he actually contradicted himself in his own statement. He said Zimmerman wouldn't win it because players on losing teams don't win it.. Then said Wright would, but the problem is Wright is also on a losing team :)


Touche. :) I'm used to Wright being on a winning team. As a bottom dwelling team fan I don't really keep up with other teams' records as much as I should -- I didn't realize that Mets had fallen so far.

lordscarlet 09-08-2009 02:55 PM

double dola: A losing NY/LA/BOS team is excluded from my mental .500 limitation. :) (Which has already been proven to be incorrect anyway)

kingfc22 09-08-2009 05:44 PM

Hmmm so I heard Bumgarner is starting tonight for Lincecum. Timmy gas a sore back or something. At least that's what I thought I heard as I passed by the radio.

RedKingGold 09-08-2009 08:50 PM

Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.
Please get Brad Lidge out.

RedKingGold 09-08-2009 08:51 PM

Thank you Charlie.

And the Brad Lidge era is over in Philadelphia. Thanks for the memories!

Karlifornia 09-08-2009 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2111978)
Hmmm so I heard Bumgarner is starting tonight for Lincecum. Timmy gas a sore back or something. At least that's what I thought I heard as I passed by the radio.


It's almost Bumgarner time!!!

EagleFan 09-08-2009 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKingGold (Post 2112101)
Thank you Charlie.

And the Brad Lidge era is over in Philadelphia. Thanks for the memories!


Stick a fork in him, he's done. I had a little hope for him when he had a couple decent outings in a row but these last couple he has gone right back to what he was doing the rest of the season. His head is seriously f'd up right about now. I think we may be seeing Myers taking the job.

Madson looked good tonight but the previous experiment with him at closer did not go well.

Terps 09-08-2009 11:16 PM

The O's got their 82nd loss tonight, which now marks 12 consecutive losing seasons.

lordscarlet 09-09-2009 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKingGold (Post 2112101)
Thank you Charlie.

And the Brad Lidge era is over in Philadelphia. Thanks for the memories!


Damnit.

Dr. Sak 09-09-2009 08:33 AM

I dare the Phillies to score more than 4 runs without having a home run...I just dare them!

lungs 09-09-2009 08:37 AM

I'm beginning to think that Dusty Baker has somehow taken over Ken Macha's body. Corey Patterson has led off two days in a row for the Brewers and rewarded Macha by going 0-7 with 4 strikeouts and 1 GIDP.

Seriously.

RedKingGold 09-09-2009 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2112391)
I dare the Phillies to score more than 4 runs without having a home run...I just dare them!


Chicks dig the long ball.

RomaGoth 09-09-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terps (Post 2112232)
The O's got their 82nd loss tonight, which now marks 12 consecutive losing seasons.


Only 6 more and they can beat out the Pirates. :D

larrymcg421 09-09-2009 10:24 PM

Hanson goes 8 innings, no runs allowed, strikes out 7, doesn't walk anyone, and the Braves lose 2-1. I'm so fucking sick of this shit.

JonInMiddleGA 09-09-2009 10:41 PM

Soriano hasn't been worth a fuck in nearly two weeks now.

5 runs allowed in last 8 games,not sure why he was even out there tonight after his lucky escape last night.

Well actually I do know, Gonzalez hasn't been any more reliable, Moylan's arm has to be about to fall off & O'Flaherty has been shelled in 2 of his last 5 appearances too. There's just no options out there at this point. There's only 12 pitchers in the NL with 65 appearances or more & the Braves have 4 of them, kind of goes hand in hand with our next to last SV%.

SackAttack 09-09-2009 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2112557)
Only 6 more and they can beat out the Pirates. :D


You appear to be operating under the (possibly mistaken) assumption that the Pirates will have a winning record next year. Or the year after that. Or anytime in the next 6 years. By the time Baltimore gets there, Pittsburgh may have rai--well, LOWERED the bar.

EagleFan 09-10-2009 01:11 AM

Has the Madson era begun?

RedKingGold 09-10-2009 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2113222)
Has the Madson era begun?


Yup. Methinks we'll try to trade Lidge for some spare parts and baseballs this upcoming off-season.

Although, this presents a dilemma as Myers is a free agent after this season. Can't really trade Lidge unless we get Myers back and I doubt that is in the Phils plans.

RomaGoth 09-10-2009 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 2113147)
You appear to be operating under the (possibly mistaken) assumption that the Pirates will have a winning record next year. Or the year after that. Or anytime in the next 6 years. By the time Baltimore gets there, Pittsburgh may have rai--well, LOWERED the bar.


Yeah, I realized that later on. The O's will never catch the Pirates in futility.

lungs 09-10-2009 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2113489)
Yeah, I realized that later on. The O's will never catch the Pirates in futility.


I dunno, now that the Pirates finally have a front office that doesn't delude itself into thinking that they are just a few pieces short of putting a winner on the field, they are finally making progress building an organization from the bottom up. Like they should've done, well, once Barry Bonds left.

sterlingice 09-10-2009 12:28 PM

Unusually active Royals news day today:

Who will be the 700th player in Royals*History? - Royals Review
Lenny DiNardo will be the 700th player in Royals history when he starts the game today

Greg Schaum has found out from a viable source that 6 or 7 teams have told people close to Luke... - Royals Review
Apparently Luke Hochevar has been tipping his pitches since his rookie year. The Royals just found out... from a writer... who heard from another organization's scout. *sigh*

Facebook! Yes, this actually*happened. - Royals Review
And, yes, two Royals prospects who were traded away- Cortes who was caught drunk and urinating and disorderly and Gutierrez who had a minor arrest (suspected to be weed) and got in a spat this year where Boras wanted him to rehab at the Boras facility instead of with the Royals- got in some digs at the Royals on, yes, Facebook. I hate the internet.

SI

RomaGoth 09-10-2009 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2113685)
Unusually active Royals news day today:

Who will be the 700th player in Royals*History? - Royals Review
Lenny DiNardo will be the 700th player in Royals history when he starts the game today

Greg Schaum has found out from a viable source that 6 or 7 teams have told people close to Luke... - Royals Review
Apparently Luke Hochevar has been tipping his pitches since his rookie year. The Royals just found out... from a writer... who heard from another organization's scout. *sigh*

Facebook! Yes, this actually*happened. - Royals Review
And, yes, two Royals prospects who were traded away- Cortes who was caught drunk and urinating and disorderly and Gutierrez who had a minor arrest (suspected to be weed) and got in a spat this year where Boras wanted him to rehab at the Boras facility instead of with the Royals- got in some digs at the Royals on, yes, Facebook. I hate the internet.

SI


At least you aren't a Pirates fan.

Ronnie Dobbs2 09-10-2009 01:18 PM

Why, are the Pirates a bad team?

DaddyTorgo 09-10-2009 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 2113749)
Why, are the Pirates a bad team?


Pirates? Didn't they get contracted? :confused:

Chief Rum 09-10-2009 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2113685)
Greg Schaum has found out from a viable source that 6 or 7 teams have told people close to Luke... - Royals Review
Apparently Luke Hochevar has been tipping his pitches since his rookie year. The Royals just found out... from a writer... who heard from another organization's scout. *sigh*


You know, if Hochevar was playing for the Red Sox, this would have been caught much sooner. ;)

sterlingice 09-10-2009 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2114038)
You know, if Hochevar was playing for the Red Sox, this would have been caught much sooner. ;)


When he went to the National League?

SI

BishopMVP 09-14-2009 12:17 AM

Red Sox get 20 IP with 2 ER given up by their starters in a 24-hour sweep of the collapsing Rays, highlighted by Jon Lester's 8 shutout IP. Lester since May - 10-2, 2.02 ERA, 129.1 IP, 142 K/36 BB. He deserves to get some 2nd/3rd place Cy Young votes.

1st round playoff preview vs. LAA starts Tuesday.

dawgfan 09-14-2009 12:41 AM

Lester is good for sure, but right now my top 3 AL Cy Young votes would be:

1. Greinke
2. Felix
3. Verlander

As good as Greinke has been, Felix is making a strong push - 15 wins now, and his ERA keeps dropping (2.52 now).

Chief Rum 09-14-2009 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 2116771)
1st round playoff preview vs. LAA starts Tuesday.


How's this for a fun trip, huh? Scheduled visits to the despised Red Sox, and the hotly pursuing Rangers, and for fun, a quick one day stop over in the Bronx to makeup a spring rainout. La-ti-da! :D

It will be interesting to see how things stand in a week.

bhlloy 09-14-2009 01:20 AM

No kidding. I've never felt so worried with a large-ish lead and only 20 games left in the season before. 4 vs Yankees, 3 vs Red Sox and 3 absolutely huge games against Texas in the next 3 series. If the Angels take 2 from the Rangers in Texas it's probably pretty close to over, but not many more easy wins on the schedule.

BishopMVP 09-14-2009 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawgfan (Post 2116794)
Lester is good for sure, but right now my top 3 AL Cy Young votes would be:

1. Greinke
2. Felix
3. Verlander

As good as Greinke has been, Felix is making a strong push - 15 wins now, and his ERA keeps dropping (2.52 now).

He's still behind Greinke and probably Hernandez, but he's in the group of guys who should be fishing for votes like Verlander, Halladay, Sabathia and Edwin Jackson. 10.16 K/9 and FIP of 3.04 before today's 8IP 2H performance. Yet for some reason people keep talking about Beckett as the ace of the staff and Cy Young candidate.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2116800)
How's this for a fun trip, huh? Scheduled visits to the despised Red Sox, and the hotly pursuing Rangers, and for fun, a quick one day stop over in the Bronx to makeup a spring rainout. La-ti-da! :D

It will be interesting to see how things stand in a week.

And then immediately 3 with the Yankees at home before an off-day Thursday when they're staying in Anaheim instead of the off-day Monday when they're coming back from travel!

If the Sox can get a sweep, or even 2 out of 3 it pretty much locks up a playoff spot because of your 6 games with Texas. On the plus side, it's at home where we now have the best record in MLB (50-21, 34-37 on the road), but on the downside you'll get some unpredictable pitchers. Dice-K's comeback game, I think Wakefield on Wednesday if his back holds up before Beckett on Thursday. Avoiding Lester and Buchholz, the two best pitchers the last month.

Chief Rum 09-14-2009 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 2116806)
He's still behind Greinke and probably Hernandez, but he's in the group of guys who should be fishing for votes like Verlander, Halladay, Sabathia and Edwin Jackson. 10.16 K/9 and FIP of 3.04 before today's 8IP 2H performance. Yet for some reason people keep talking about Beckett as the ace of the staff and Cy Young candidate.And then immediately 3 with the Yankees at home before an off-day Thursday when they're staying in Anaheim instead of the off-day Monday when they're coming back from travel!

If the Sox can get a sweep, or even 2 out of 3 it pretty much locks up a playoff spot because of your 6 games with Texas. On the plus side, it's at home where we now have the best record in MLB (50-21, 34-37 on the road), but on the downside you'll get some unpredictable pitchers. Dice-K's comeback game, I think Wakefield on Wednesday if his back holds up before Beckett on Thursday. Avoiding Lester and Buchholz, the two best pitchers the last month.


Our hitters aren't on a role right now, either.

The bad news for BoSox, though, in getting us now, is that our starting pitching has been phenomenal of late. Something like two straight weeks of 2 ER or less and quality start after quality start. We don't have any Dice-K's in the rotation. You'll be facing Lackey, Saunders, Santana.

Should be an intense playoff atmostphere in every game through the home series with the Yanks. Looking forward to it.

RedKingGold 09-14-2009 05:52 AM

Still hard to believe that no team offered Pedro a contract until mid-season.

I bet he's made himself some money now, though.

Dr. Sak 09-14-2009 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKingGold (Post 2116823)
Still hard to believe that no team offered Pedro a contract until mid-season.

I bet he's made himself some money now, though.


I was at the game last night...what a performance by Pedro!

Big Fo 09-14-2009 06:08 PM

Ozzie Guillen :D

Quote:

"What have I seen from Rios? A lot of outs. The only batting ninth guy making $5 million was me. This motherf——- is making $10, $12, $14 million, he ain't going to be batting ninth. I'm going to make sure he earns his money. But right now I have to put him there because he's struggling. Next year, if we have Rios batting ninth we're in deep ****, once again."
—White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, on outfielder Alex Rios.

"I mean, you're not going to take anything away from the pitching staffs that we've faced, but we've been facing some pitchers this year it's like, 'Who the [expletive] is this guy? They don't even belong in the [expletive] big leagues, and they just kicked our ass.' I'm not going to lie to anybody. I know who beat us, and I know who should beat us. We've faced some guys where they've called him up, faced us, and get him back to [expletive] Double A, get the [expletive] out of here. That's how bad we've been."
—Guillen

sterlingice 09-14-2009 07:23 PM

He's just such a great quote. Probably not good for his career longevity but always amusing

SI

darkenigma510 09-14-2009 08:46 PM

Love the quote on Rios....Hopefully Ozzie can kick his ass into high gear for once....

Mr. Sparkle 09-15-2009 12:44 AM

Tim Lincecum pitches another gem, striking out 11 over 7 innings as the Giants win game one of a three game series against the Rockies. The Giants MUST sweep to keep any playoff hopes alive. Today's game was notable becuase it marked the first time Bengie Molina hasn't batted in the 4 hole since 2007, I believe. Bochy's finally learning!...Except for not, as Buster Posey continues to waste away on the bench. With the Giants up 9-1 in the top of the 9th, the formidable Eli Whiteside replaced Molina as catcher. Posey has still yet to catch a single pitch since being called up, and has only received one measly AB.

If the Giants don't end up making it to the playoffs, it would be unbelievably awesome to have Lincecum win back-to-back Cy Youngs. He has to be considered the favorite, assuming no stumbles over his last few starts.

Crapshoot 09-15-2009 01:01 AM

Well, he's been the best pitcher in the NL. The idiots in charge will probably give it to Wainwright because he has 18 wins to Lincecum's 14, but it would be a shame since Lincecum leads the league in ERA, K, IP and then some.

Mr. Sparkle 09-15-2009 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapshoot (Post 2117989)
Well, he's been the best pitcher in the NL. The idiots in charge will probably give it to Wainwright because he has 18 wins to Lincecum's 14, but it would be a shame since Lincecum leads the league in ERA, K, IP and then some.


I know, I know...I'm just mentally preparing myself in the event that Wainwright and his shiny WINZ + PLAYOFFS overrides Lincecum being, you know, categorically superior in every other way. It's the BBWAA way!

BishopMVP 09-15-2009 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by darkenigma510 (Post 2117577)
Love the quote on Rios....Hopefully Ozzie can kick his ass into high gear for once....

I've never gotten the sense that Rios' decline is related to lack of effort though. His defense and baserunning, which should be more effort-based, haven't suffered.

BishopMVP 09-15-2009 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2116808)
Our hitters aren't on a roll right now, either.

The bad news for BoSox, though, in getting us now, is that our starting pitching has been phenomenal of late. Something like two straight weeks of 2 ER or less and quality start after quality start. We don't have any Dice-K's in the rotation. You'll be facing Lackey, Saunders, Santana.

Eh, we're at home. We hit here. It's listed as Byrd on Wednesday not Wakefield, so that's not good - Michael Bowden will probably be in by the 4th inning one of the first 2 games.

Interesting thing I hadn't realized on the playoff schedules. Schedule (A) allows the teams to start their top 2 starters on normal rest in games 4/5 while schedule (B) would have 3 days rest between games 1 and 4. Obviously we want schedule (A) more than the Angels so we have Lester/Beckett potentially 4x, and assuming matchups stay as of now, I think we'll get it because Schedule (A) would benefit Detroit much more than New York (the team that gets to decide.)

JonInMiddleGA 09-15-2009 04:46 PM

Now here's a shocker

HOUSTON -- The Houston Astros say starting pitcher Mike Hampton will miss next season after undergoing surgery on his left shoulder.

A statement issued by the Astros on Tuesday say surgeons at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York repaired a full left rotator cuff tear in Hampton's pitching shoulder. Dr. David Altchek, the New York Mets' medical director, also repaired partial damage to the labrum in the shoulder.

The 37-year-old lefty was 7-10 in 21 starts this season with a 5.30 ERA in 112 innings. He's 148-115 in 409 career appearances with a 4.07 ERA in 2,264 career innings.

Logan 09-15-2009 04:48 PM

Didn't take long to figure out the problem:

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Dr. David Altchek, the New York Mets' medical director, also repaired partial damage to the labrum in the shoulder.

JonInMiddleGA 09-15-2009 04:53 PM

I'd say anyone dumb enough to give Hampton $0.50 for his feeble attempts to pitch still having a job is a bigger problem. What's next for him, limbs just spontaneously fall off?

molson 09-15-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2117409)
Ozzie Guillen :D


There has to be some way he can coach some NFL team once the baseball season is over, and then after football season, he needs to hook on with an NBA team.

The MLB season is simply not long enough to satisfy my Ozzie fix.

Big Fo 09-15-2009 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2118569)
There has to be some way he can coach some NFL team once the baseball season is over, and then after football season, he needs to hook on with an NBA team.

The MLB season is simply not long enough to satisfy my Ozzie fix.


The least that should be done is to let Guillen replace McCarver for the playoffs and World Series.

Ronnie Dobbs2 09-15-2009 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2116808)
We don't have any Dice-K's in the rotation. You'll be facing Lackey


Presented without comment.

Chief Rum 09-15-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 2118702)
Presented without comment.


Now, now, come on, you know tonight's result is not representative of how these two pitchers have generally performed.

It is, however, sadly representative of how the bunch of chokers from Anaheim again continue to play like crap against the Red Sox, in addition to making rookie and inconsistent pitchers look like Cy Young.

SirFozzie 09-15-2009 10:49 PM

Nice lil Jays/Yanks brawl.

Swaggs 09-15-2009 10:58 PM

I'm probably the last Pirates' fan still watching games this year (particularly since the local affilliate pretty much quits showing games once the Steelers start back up), but I got lucky and found the Dodgers' broadcast on the MLB channel.

Dodgers fans probably don't realize how lucky they are to have Vin Scully. He is so much better than the Pirates' crew, it is hard to believe. He is an amazing broadcaster -- hard to believe that there are or have been any better (in any sport).

stevew 09-15-2009 11:07 PM

Greg Brown is a d-bag but I like the new guy. Tim something. Blass and Walk are okay. I usually listen to the radio though.

Chief Rum 09-15-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 2118798)
I'm probably the last Pirates' fan still watching games this year (particularly since the local affilliate pretty much quits showing games once the Steelers start back up), but I got lucky and found the Dodgers' broadcast on the MLB channel.

Dodgers fans probably don't realize how lucky they are to have Vin Scully. He is so much better than the Pirates' crew, it is hard to believe. He is an amazing broadcaster -- hard to believe that there are or have been any better (in any sport).


Trust me, they realize it.

JonInMiddleGA 09-15-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2118801)
Greg Brown is a d-bag but I like the new guy. Tim something. Blass and Walk are okay. I usually listen to the radio though.


I had to go look that one up.
Tim Neverett hired as play-by-play announcer | pirates.com: Official Info

Tim Neverett, former voice of the Vegas minor league baseball & hockey teams, former Denver area & Sporting News Radio talk host, former fill-in announcer for the Rockies on FSN.

samifan24 09-15-2009 11:29 PM

I actually think Bob Walk is a pretty good color guy. He's very honest and criticizes players on both teams for poor decisions. He also explains things to viewers in a way that makes it seem educational and not simply condescending as some other broadcasters do.

Swaggs 09-15-2009 11:49 PM

Greg Brown has turned down his enthusiasm enough that he is somewhat tolerable. Neverett seems like he might be alright, but he almost seems like he doesn't know a whole lot about baseball.

For the color guys, John Wehner is horrendous. It is amazing how much money and how many years of work he has gotten from the Pirates, however terrible they may be. Blass has a smooth voice, seems like a genuinely nice guy, and is likeable, but only works home games and is a little past his prime, IMO. I think Bob Walk is pretty top-notch for a color guy. He is knowledgeable, a good team guy, and pretty funny (unfortunately, Brown and Neverett don't know what to do with humor), but he seems like he feels uncomfortable with silence and forces too much talking at times (sometimes, it is alright to just let the game run and let the audience watch on television).

As on odd aside, longtime Pirates' fans probably remember John Sanders, who did the Pirates' TV broadcasts along with Jim Rooker when I was a kid in the 80s. Sanders has done the past two WVU football games -- kind of odd to hear his voice again after so long.

stevew 09-16-2009 12:24 AM

Wehner is LOLDumb. In 2009 he's still talking about how RBI's are the most important stat for a hitter. And other dumb shit like that.

Neverett(thanks) might not know a ton about baseball, but he's gotten a lot better over the course of the season. I'm actually glad he's doing the majority of the radio, as like said earlier, Greg Brown is not good. Like his "trip trip triple" thing makes me hate it when our guy hits a triple. He also single handedly made me hate "Jack Flash" Wilson and "Nate the Great" McLouth. And fuck, i hate it when we win and he goes into the whole "Raise the Jolly Roger" shit. Thank god this team sucks.

I'm a different audience though, than you, Swaggs. I listen to almost every game on the radio, and rarely watch TV. The after game guy on the Radio, Rocco Demaro, is a personal fave of mine. I hope he breaks big some day, and doesn't get stuck talking to Yinzers for the rest of his life. You might want to check out some of the podcats(www.wpgb.com), he does some good work.

ThunderingHERD 09-16-2009 12:59 AM

I guess I'll be alone on this but I can't stand Vin Scully. I don't like his voice and there's never a second of dead air when he's doing a game. The Dodgers broadcasts feel very claustrophobic, like I'm stuck in a room with this guy who won't shut up.

SackAttack 09-16-2009 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD (Post 2118836)
I guess I'll be alone on this but I can't stand Vin Scully. I don't like his voice and there's never a second of dead air when he's doing a game. The Dodgers broadcasts feel very claustrophobic, like I'm stuck in a room with this guy who won't shut up.


You haven't listened to enough Scully broadcasts. When something big happens, like Manny's pinch-hit slam a while ago, he just shuts up and lets the crowd tell the story.

But in the course of normal action, yeah, he weaves the action and factoids/stories about the players together.

Chief Rum 09-16-2009 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD (Post 2118836)
I guess I'll be alone on this but I can't stand Vin Scully. I don't like his voice and there's never a second of dead air when he's doing a game. The Dodgers broadcasts feel very claustrophobic, like I'm stuck in a room with this guy who won't shut up.


I hope you're alone in that. I couldn't disagree more. It's a wonder listening to him call a game, even now. But, hey, to each their own.

Chief Rum 09-16-2009 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 2118837)
You haven't listened to enough Scully broadcasts. When something big happens, like Manny's pinch-hit slam a while ago, he just shuts up and lets the crowd tell the story.

But in the course of normal action, yeah, he weaves the action and factoids/stories about the players together.


Most non-So Cal fans know the Buck call of Gibson's homerun.

I was listening to Vin, and my recollection of that homerun is completely different than most, because I wasn't listening to Buck. I still think Vin's call was better than Buck's, and I can hear it now, replayed in my head.

What brings that up? After that great call, Scully shut his trap for a long while (Wikipedia says 67 seconds) and let the fans make the noise as Gibson gimped around the bases.

As Sack said, Scully actually does it a lot in great moments, not wanting to steal the moment from the player, and giving a voice to the fans. But when he does speak, man, it's truly amazing all the stories this guy has, and not about old players, but about new guys, fresh rookies even.

ThunderingHERD 09-16-2009 01:16 AM

A big part of it is that he calls the game alone. If it's two guys in the booth then most of the talking has the pretense of a conversation between those two guys. With Vin Scully it's like I'm being unwillingly dragged into a conversation. I find it especially obnoxious during what would otherwise be uneventful, leisurely innings where instead I have Vin Scully yapping my ear off.

stevew 09-16-2009 01:17 AM

Pirate relievers....building walk off memories since 1992. Ethier gets the honors tonight.

SackAttack 09-16-2009 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2118839)
Most non-So Cal fans know the Buck call of Gibson's homerun.

I was listening to Vin, and my recollection of that homerun is completely different than most, because I wasn't listening to Buck. I still think Vin's call was better than Buck's, and I can hear it now, replayed in my head.

What brings that up? After that great call, Scully shut his trap for a long while (Wikipedia says 67 seconds) and let the fans make the noise as Gibson gimped around the bases.


Yep. He routinely does that kind of thing. I've heard both calls, and I 100% prefer Scully's.

Buck made it about *him* - "I don't believe what I just saw!" Emphasis mine.

Scully? Shut up for a longass time, and when he finally did speak again, it was about the team - "In the year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened!"

Shit, I just looked for a sound clip of that call, and somebody combined the Buck and Scully calls. It isn't even close. Buck just kept talking over the entire minute and a half, and repeated the "I don't believe what I just saw!" bit three or four times.

Scully? "She...is...gone! {crowd goes apeshit for like a minute and a half} In the year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened!"

YouTube - Kirk Gibson Walk Off.

68 seconds after 'She...is...gone!' by my watch, and 28 seconds after 'In the year that has been so improbable...' before he said anything ELSE.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that when Ethier just hit his walkoff, he shut up and let the fans going nuts tell the story. I don't get cable, so I don't have Fox Sports West to point to, but hopefully the MLB.com highlight, when it goes up, will be Scully making the call.

Mizzou B-ball fan 09-16-2009 07:04 AM

Good to see the Royals making their usual late September run, ruining their draft pick selection spot. :rolleyes:

7 of 8 with some wins against Detroit. Unbelievable.

sterlingice 09-16-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2118890)
Good to see the Royals making their usual late September run, ruining their draft pick selection spot. :rolleyes:

7 of 8 with some wins against Detroit. Unbelievable.


Well, September Davies is back and Robinson Tejada forgot that you should make deals with the devil during the part of the season that matters.

SI

JPhillips 09-16-2009 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2118890)
Good to see the Royals making their usual late September run, ruining their draft pick selection spot. :rolleyes:

7 of 8 with some wins against Detroit. Unbelievable.


I'd much rather be in the high singles low doubles on draft day. There isn't a substantial drop in possibility of making the majors and you'll pay a lot less. The Reds winning run in September has made me much happier.

sterlingice 09-16-2009 09:39 AM

Yeah, but the Royals were in the running for #1 and were solidly at #2. Now, they're still #3 but within a couple of falling out of the top 5.

SI

gstelmack 09-16-2009 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 2118793)
Nice lil Jays/Yanks brawl.


I watched replays of this on ESPN-News, so I may be missing something, but were the Jays after the Yankees or what? They keep beaning guys, and the pitcher was getting all uppity about it (no apologies or anything, more "yeah, what are you going to do about it?". When the actual brawl occurred, he got in Posada's way behind the plate, and the shiver Posada gave him was more a "get out of my way" rather than retaliation for the pitch. And the first person thrown out looked like the ump tried to toss POSADA immediately on that?

What else did I miss? Based on the replays that Jays pitcher and probably his manager need to sit for a while. And the umps should be fired for not having tossed the pitcher sooner.

As one of those asshole uppity stuck-up elitist Boston fans, it feels weird to be on the Yankees side in something, but man did they have more patience than I think I would have as hard as the Jays were baiting them.

Is there more to this story than ESPN-News was showing? Some history bit missing that caused the pitcher to go that insane after folks?

ISiddiqui 09-16-2009 10:00 AM

Things like that are just another reason why I think the DH is horrible. If that pitcher had to stand at the plate, I'd guess he'd think twice about the crap he was doing.

SirFozzie 09-16-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack (Post 2119014)
I watched replays of this on ESPN-News, so I may be missing something, but were the Jays after the Yankees or what? They keep beaning guys, and the pitcher was getting all uppity about it (no apologies or anything, more "yeah, what are you going to do about it?". When the actual brawl occurred, he got in Posada's way behind the plate, and the shiver Posada gave him was more a "get out of my way" rather than retaliation for the pitch. And the first person thrown out looked like the ump tried to toss POSADA immediately on that?

What else did I miss? Based on the replays that Jays pitcher and probably his manager need to sit for a while. And the umps should be fired for not having tossed the pitcher sooner.

As one of those asshole uppity stuck-up elitist Boston fans, it feels weird to be on the Yankees side in something, but man did they have more patience than I think I would have as hard as the Jays were baiting them.

Is there more to this story than ESPN-News was showing? Some history bit missing that caused the pitcher to go that insane after folks?


Encarnacion (TOR) hit by a pitch in the 6th
Hill (TOR) Hit by a Pitch in the 8th

Note: No retaliation by the Blue Jays yet.

Bottom of the 8th Toronto pitcher throws a purpose pitch behind Posada, who drops the bat and says "You don't want to do that". Benches empty, no punches, but everyone stays in the game and all is well.

Until later in that inning, less then five minutes later, when on a double by Gardner, the Blue Jays pitcher is wandering around behind home plate (backing up a possible throw to the plate), and Posada going by throws out his forearm/elbow (weakly, I'll admit) to say "Yeah, buddy, I'm still here." Apparently he throws in some choice words to boot.

Pitcher turns, starts to flip out as the Umpire throws Posada out of the game. Posada flips out, runs around the guy trying to keep him out of any fight, and the donnybrook is on.

gstelmack 09-16-2009 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 2119063)
Encarnacion (TOR) hit by a pitch in the 6th
Hill (TOR) Hit by a Pitch in the 8th


Aha, this is the part I heard wrong. I thought ESPN-News said 2 Yankees had been beaned earlier. If they were indeed Jays, then the actions make a lot more sense, and Posada just needs to be happy he got a warning shot rather than an actual beaning.

Travis 09-16-2009 10:54 AM

Yeah, this was much more about Posada not being smart (no matter how weak, throwing the forearm/elbow after scoring the run was just idiotic when the other team has nothing to lose while the Yanks are in a pennant race).

Will be interesting to see how this plays out but I'd imagine Carlson and Posada both end up with suspensions.

Logan 09-16-2009 10:58 AM

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johnnyshaka 09-16-2009 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis (Post 2119077)
Will be interesting to see how this plays out but I'd imagine Carlson and Posada both end up with suspensions.


Carlson shouldn't miss anytime whatsoever...what did he do?? He got "bumped" by Posada and then got jumped by the Yankees benched when he asked Posada what the hell is problem was.

Posada should be sitting down for a few games, at the very least.

gstelmack 09-16-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka (Post 2119092)
Carlson shouldn't miss anytime whatsoever...what did he do?? He got "bumped" by Posada and then got jumped by the Yankees benched when he asked Posada what the hell is problem was.


Carlson stood in Posada's way. He just casually wandered over behind the plate and made no effort to get out of Posada's way. After how he reacted on the pitch itself, he was goading him.

SackAttack 09-16-2009 12:52 PM


I was cracking up over this last night. The best part was the look of jubilation after he handed the ball to his daughter, and on the slow-mo replay, you could see the horror creep over his face as he realizes what's happening.

Travis 09-16-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack (Post 2119155)
Carlson stood in Posada's way. He just casually wandered over behind the plate and made no effort to get out of Posada's way. After how he reacted on the pitch itself, he was goading him.


Or was in position on the play for a potential throw to home? He was there long before Posada who was the one who threw the (weak) shot that blew up the situation.

Two Jays get hit, one Yankee gets thrown behind as a warning and you're going to pin it on Carlson for where he was standing on D?

Do you not think that if Carlson really wanted to get things going he wouldn't have just put the ball right into Posada's ribs? A hell of a lot more effective than trying to bump a guy who's got 50 pounds on him after he scores a run. Especially that part where Carlson is standing pretty much still when Posada gives him the bump to get it going.

Travis 09-16-2009 01:24 PM

Dola, and watching it again it looks like it's much more likely it was something Posada said while going past Carlson than the bump/shot itself that really got things going. At least that's the impression I get watching Carlson's body language and the timing of things.


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