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spleen1015 05-19-2020 08:33 AM

That is me 100% as well. I just don't have the words to say it like you did.

The thing that astounds me is how the Republican party is just falling in line with his bull shit. I stayed away from politics because I believe they are all dirty in some way and they all just want the power and wealth. Trump has confirmed that for me by a mile.

I just can't believe there are so many people falling in line behind this guy.

I have a lot of MAGA friends and family as well. There are people I care deeply about who believe some of this bull shit. With some of them, I ignore it and we don't talk about it because if we did it would ruin our relationship. I don't want that.

I recently reconnected with my father after 17 years. That's a long story.

Part of the problem with him is he's a racist and misogynist. I reconnected with him right at near the beginning of all of the lock downs, etc.

I realized while talk to him that he looks at liberals like he does African Americans and woman. He talks about them the same way. He thinks they are lesser human beings. He's just like most of these stereotypical MAGA idiots.

We can't really change the way they think. All we can really do it wait for them to die out before this shit really goes away.

albionmoonlight 05-19-2020 09:09 AM

"Hey, you look down."

"I am down. I have a problem."

"Oh, what's your problem?"

"I dislike our troops, and I want to make sure that they don't receive benefits. But I also love coronavirus and want to make sure that it spreads a lot. And I'm torn between which goal I should work toward. Do I hate the troops more? Or do I love coronavirus more? I can't choose."

"Ah. Turn that frown upside down! What if I told you that, thanks to the current GOP, you don't have to choose? You can do both! Just keep these guys in power come November, and you'll hurt the troops AND help the virus. It's a win/win!"


QuikSand 05-19-2020 11:48 AM

lol, i do loves me some albionarratives...

"We like the numbers where they are..."

QuikSand 05-19-2020 11:49 AM

In other news... queue this up for three days of outrage, maybe timed to distract everyone from crimes or coverups or whatnot...


sterlingice 05-19-2020 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3281792)
"Hey, you look down."

"I am down. I have a problem."

"Oh, what's your problem?"

"I dislike our troops, and I want to make sure that they don't receive benefits. But I also love coronavirus and want to make sure that it spreads a lot. And I'm torn between which goal I should work toward. Do I hate the troops more? Or do I love coronavirus more? I can't choose."

"Ah. Turn that frown upside down! What if I told you that, thanks to the current GOP, you don't have to choose! You can do both! Just keep these guys in power come November, and you'll hurt the troops AND help the virus. It's a win/win!"
NEW: I obtained a recording of a recent call with top Trump admin officials discussing a June 24 "hard stop" for the 40k+ National Guard members who are the backbone of coronavirus testing/contact tracing/food delivery in many states ‘Hard stop’: States could lose National Guard virus workers - POLITICO
— Alice Miranda Ollstein (@AliceOllstein) May 19, 2020


I didn't realize what the June 24th deadline signified. This makes it clearer: he wants to be a wartime President but not actually give the troops their benefits.

SI

June 24 will mark 89 days since thousands of Guard members first went on federal deployment in March. Guard members qualify for key retirement and education benefits after 90 days. ‘Hard stop’: States could lose National Guard virus workers - POLITICO
— Alice Miranda Ollstein (@AliceOllstein) May 19, 2020


Kodos 05-19-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3281825)
he wants to be a wartime President but not actually give the troops their benefits.

SI


He is such a heartless bastard. :banghead:

RainMaker 05-19-2020 01:30 PM

But taking a knee is insulting the troops

sterlingice 05-19-2020 01:30 PM

Like why do you even do that? There's no gain.

Sure, he doesn't care about the troops. But he also doesn't care about the deficit or VA or anything like that. So why do it?

There has to be something I'm missing here, right?

SI

albionmoonlight 05-19-2020 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3281846)
Like why do you even do that? There's no gain.

Sure, he doesn't care about the troops. But he also doesn't care about the deficit or VA or anything like that. So why do it?

There has to be something I'm missing here, right?

SI


I think that he does not care, but that some beancounters in the adminstration do. Less money for benefits means more money for contractors.

That said, I imagine that this is one of those instances where the media will have actually helped. Now that the story is out, people will complain, and the WH will keep these guys on and say that was always the plan and just look at that fake news saying that we were planning to cut them off after 89 days.

Atocep 05-19-2020 10:55 PM

The DoT "reassigned" the acting IG that was investigating McConnell's wife and Trump has nominated one of the administration's attorneys from the Justice Department as his replacement.

thesloppy 05-20-2020 02:01 AM

Trump tries to soothe anxious GOP senators | TheHill

On the presidential race, the senator said Trump came to the meeting armed with his own numbers, which contradicted recent public polls showing him trailing Biden in key swing states.

“The president had polls showing how well he’s doing,” said the source.

Trump painted a rosier picture of Republican prospects than indicated by recent polls showing Biden leading Trump in states such as Arizona and Florida, which are crucial to his reelection.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said Republicans are well aware of the polling ahead of this year’s election but noted that Trump doesn’t appear concerned.

“We all pretty much see the poll numbers,” Cornyn said, but added of Trump: “He actually was pretty proud of where his numbers were.”


Oh, child please. The President of our country is being fed Flintstones vitamins from a bottle with HYDROXIKLORINE written in magic marker on some masking tape, and jacking off to polls that some GOP page has tossed together in Excel.

PilotMan 05-20-2020 06:35 AM

I have a feeling that the standards for presidents going forward are going to be so low, because the argument will always be (to the GOP), "doesn't matter. trump did it and you didn't care, so whatever. "

And part of me feels disdain at that and the other part of me is like, "watch us show you how it's gonna be done now."

QuikSand 05-20-2020 08:45 AM

The real enemy is... checks notes...



...a swing state.

kingfc22 05-20-2020 08:52 AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/20/coro...expansion.html


“He has peddled the idea that voting by mail leads to voter fraud, but there is no evidence that this is true. Earlier this year, Trump submitted an absentee ballot to vote for himself in Florida’s presidential primary. “

spleen1015 05-20-2020 09:04 AM

That's the kind of shit I am worried about. He is going to steal the election with some kind of bull shit.

Atocep 05-20-2020 09:12 AM

He's going to lose his shit when he finds out how Washington state has been voting for the past decade.

RainMaker 05-20-2020 09:25 AM

Does he know Iowa and Georgia mailed out applications too?

cartman 05-20-2020 09:26 AM

He and Melania voted by mail for a Florida election

Kodos 05-20-2020 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3281907)
The real enemy is... checks notes...



...a swing state.


He just threatened Michigan too after they announced they would send out applications to vote by mail to all registered voters.

RainMaker 05-20-2020 09:51 AM

This is some 3rd world despot shit. Well done America.

albionmoonlight 05-20-2020 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3281891)
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said Republicans are well aware of the polling ahead of this years election but noted that Trump doesnt appear concerned.

We all pretty much see the poll numbers, Cornyn said, but added of Trump: He actually was pretty proud of where his numbers were.[/i]


I'm a public defender. And if I ask a co-worker about a trial he has upcoming, and his response is "Well, I've seen the evidence against our client. And I can say that our client is convinced that he's going to win" that I understand exactly what my co-worker is saying and not saying by that statement.

albionmoonlight 05-20-2020 10:02 AM

Also, why is Trump convinced that making it easier for older, less motivated, low information voters to vote will be bad for him? They probably lean GOP. And it seems like VBM would get them to vote in higher numbers than they would otherwise.

Atocep 05-20-2020 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3281918)
He just threatened Michigan too after they announced they would send out applications to vote by mail to all registered voters.


There was no quid pro quo

JPhillips 05-20-2020 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3281924)
Also, why is Trump convinced that making it easier for older, less motivated, low information voters to vote will be bad for him? They probably lean GOP. And it seems like VBM would get them to vote in higher numbers than they would otherwise.


What info exists shows that there's no partisan advantage to vote by mail.

JPhillips 05-20-2020 12:20 PM

dola

Another Lincoln Project ad with an intended audience of one.


albionmoonlight 05-20-2020 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3281941)
What info exists shows that there's no partisan advantage to vote by mail.


Yes. But everyone (Dems and GOP) is acting like there is. I think that this is a place where the numbers just don't back up people's gut feelings.

Brian Swartz 05-20-2020 03:06 PM

Definitely. I've had some interesting conversations with people who are totally opposed to it on not-partisan grounds (these are generally apolitical people), but just that they are totally convinced it opens the floodgates to voter fraud. Point out that there's actually no evidence of that, and what a fool's errand wide-spread voter fraud is to begin with, and crickets. It's just one of those things that's too different, a bridge too far, for some people to accept.

It's kind of like how the same people who love ATMs will hate on self check-out lines for 'taking away jobs'. It's more an ingrained cultural thing than any sort of reasoned objection.

ISiddiqui 05-20-2020 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3281955)
It's kind of like how the same people who love ATMs will hate on self check-out lines for 'taking away jobs'. It's more an ingrained cultural thing than any sort of reasoned objection.


Oh God, not to get too off topic, but I don't get the folks that are so adamantly anti self-checkout and say things like "I don't work for you". Like... ok... but let me use self-checkout so I can take my 4 things and go rather than stand for 20 minutes in line. Ok, I guess 'less' service while checking out. I've traded speed for full service.

Kodos 05-20-2020 03:12 PM

We've now spent 800 pages talking about this jackhole. What a waste of time.

Lathum 05-20-2020 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3281956)
Oh God, not to get too off topic, but I don't get the folks that are so adamantly anti self-checkout and say things like "I don't work for you". Like... ok... but let me use self-checkout so I can take my 4 things and go rather than stand for 20 minutes in line. Ok, I guess 'less' service while checking out. I've traded speed for full service.


It certainly is a strange hill to die on

QuikSand 05-20-2020 03:27 PM

Anti-Lockdown Protests Originated With Tight-Knit Group Who Share Bigger Goal: Trump 2020

So, I guess this is the sort of thing that has the 45ers all abuzz that Snopes is a leftist fake news Soros propaganda jews thing, or whatever.

Is this media bias? I feel I lack the judgment to assess that fairly.

JPhillips 05-20-2020 03:42 PM

It's just following the model of the Tea Party.

Looking at current polling on re-opening and it would lead one to think that protests must be less than organic uprisings.

albionmoonlight 05-20-2020 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3281956)
Oh God, not to get too off topic, but I don't get the folks that are so adamantly anti self-checkout and say things like "I don't work for you". Like... ok... but let me use self-checkout so I can take my 4 things and go rather than stand for 20 minutes in line. Ok, I guess 'less' service while checking out. I've traded speed for full service.


I'd like to go back to the era when we phased out elevator men. Were people all like, "Oh, they expect us to just push the button ourselves, now?"

JPhillips 05-20-2020 03:49 PM

A full-on Q supporter is the GOP nominee for Senate in Oregon.

JPhillips 05-20-2020 05:05 PM

dola

Remember the mask sanitizing machines Trump touted that would cost 1 mil each and allow masks to be reused 20 times?

Turns out they ended up costing 10 mil each and allow a mask to be reused 4 times.

Everything's a con.

RainMaker 05-20-2020 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3281971)
dola

Remember the mask sanitizing machines Trump touted that would cost 1 mil each and allow masks to be reused 20 times?

Turns out they ended up costing 10 mil each and allow a mask to be reused 4 times.

Everything's a con.


They also got liability protection so doctors and nurses can't sue them if their product doesn't work.

QuikSand 05-20-2020 07:21 PM

when

QuikSand 05-20-2020 07:50 PM

I know it's just a cheapshot, but...



He's just gleefully dumb about... things. And anyone who might have served in the role of saying afterward "by the way, sir, ummm..." has surely been fired by now, so they are all in full emperor clothes mode. It's... idano... admirable in its purity, the foulness of it all.

JPhillips 05-21-2020 07:47 AM

Seems to fit with the Times' story today:

Quote:

For Spy Agencies, Briefing Trump Is a Test of Holding His Attention 'Mr. Trump rarely absorbs information that he disagrees with or that runs counter to his worldview'

albionmoonlight 05-21-2020 11:17 AM

Nearly Half Of The Twitter Accounts Discussing ‘Reopening America’ May Be Bots | Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science

This is one of those facts that is obvious when you look at the amount of attention "reopen!" is getting compared to the polls showing what people actually think.

sterlingice 05-21-2020 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3282050)
Nearly Half Of The Twitter Accounts Discussing €˜Reopening America€™ May Be Bots | Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science

This is one of those facts that is obvious when you look at the amount of attention "reopen!" is getting compared to the polls showing what people actually think.


...so if Carnegie can figure out which are bots then why are they still up and runnings?

SI

kingfc22 05-21-2020 01:57 PM

Glad we can finally stop pretending that Fox News is nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Republican party.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Many will disagree, but @FoxNews is doing nothing to help Republicans, and me, get re-elected on November 3rd. Sure, there are some truly GREAT people on Fox, but you also have some real “garbage” littered all over the network, people like Dummy Juan Williams, Schumerite Chris..."

GrantDawg 05-21-2020 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3282053)
...so if Carnegie can figure out which are bots then why are they still up and runnings?

SI



Because Facebook and Twitter want to put very little resources in fighting them.

QuikSand 05-21-2020 04:13 PM

Spot on:


JPhillips 05-21-2020 04:56 PM

Quote:

U.S. President Donald Trump’s arms control negotiator on Thursday said the United States is prepared to spend Russia and China “into oblivion” in order to win a new nuclear arms race.

How about we don't do something stupid like that?

bronconick 05-21-2020 04:59 PM

That worked excellently for the Soviet Union. It's why we're Communists now, after all.

kingfc22 05-21-2020 06:46 PM

“I didn’t want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it,” Trump said.

Because the POTUS is a 5-year old child.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...35f_story.html

JPhillips 05-21-2020 07:21 PM

Watching Trump praise Henry Ford for good bloodlines is rather cringey.

JPhillips 05-22-2020 10:32 AM

Sean Hannity and some others are killing Bernie for his latest communist statement:

Quote:

‘Our Job is to Recognize Our Common Humanity and Ensure All People Live in Dignity’

PilotMan 05-22-2020 12:47 PM





Trevor Noah is bringing it all together.


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