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Raiders Army 12-05-2006 08:30 PM

I'm tending to believe DT. This is what I propose: let's present some additional evidence to keep him in jail one more night and see if the game is over when bulletsponge is lynched. I'd hate to see DT die and us win if bulletsponge is Moriarty. If the game isn't over, let's lynch the sucka.

My evidence is that he was one of the last two with Barkeep. DC was the other. Since it wasn't DC that poisoned Barkeep, we can only concluded that it was DT.

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 08:31 PM

UNVOTE LYNCH DADDY TORGO

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119 (Post 1326716)
I think its either 3-1 your dying or 4-1...either way id say your a dead man..im the lone vote to keep you alive right now



awww. well thanks for that blade! maybe you can talk to watson? i don't wanna die. I'm innocent! How stupid would I have to be to poison barkeep and be the last to sleep with him?

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326721)
I'm tending to believe DT. This is what I propose: let's present some additional evidence to keep him in jail one more night and see if the game is over when bulletsponge is lynched. I'd hate to see DT die and us win if bulletsponge is Moriarty. If the game isn't over, let's lynch the sucka.

My evidence is that he was one of the last two with Barkeep. DC was the other. Since it wasn't DC that poisoned Barkeep, we can only concluded that it was DT.


or someone before me. dubb said it was slow-acting right? if we assume he's telling the truth it could have been any of a number of people, not just me!

Blade6119 12-05-2006 08:33 PM

UNVOTE NO LYNCH DADDY TORGO

VOTE LYNCH DADDY TORGO


Sorry DT, its a numbers game now...killing both of you will help us plow through those numbers...cronin convinced me

Blade6119 12-05-2006 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1326725)
awww. well thanks for that blade! maybe you can talk to watson? i don't wanna die. I'm innocent! How stupid would I have to be to poison barkeep and be the last to sleep with him?


I dont think you want to thank me anymore, raiders took over the one vote spot. my side-kick convinced me, not so much about you as our overall strategy in this game. Sorry mate.

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119 (Post 1326728)
UNVOTE NO LYNCH DADDY TORGO

VOTE LYNCH DADDY TORGO


Sorry DT, its a numbers game now...killing both of you will help us plow through those numbers...cronin convinced me


:eek:

nooooooo

Blade6119 12-05-2006 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1326727)
or someone before me. dubb said it was slow-acting right? if we assume he's telling the truth it could have been any of a number of people, not just me!


We know of 4 people barkeep slept with..2 are dead, and the other 2 will both die today...numbers game, like i said

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119 (Post 1326731)
We know of 4 people barkeep slept with..2 are dead, and the other 2 will both die today...numbers game, like i said


could be someone he didn't sleep with too though. consider that plz!

st.cronin 12-05-2006 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1326733)
could be someone he didn't sleep with too though. consider that plz!


Actually it could not have been. The evidence was quite clear.

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1326735)
Actually it could not have been. The evidence was quite clear.


evidence? if it's going to damm an innocent man, care to share?

Blade6119 12-05-2006 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1326733)
could be someone he didn't sleep with too though. consider that plz!


No, i know whoever poisoned him did it while making love...if both you and bullet come up good, which i doubt, then that leaves swaggs as the only other person who could have done it. Hoops and izulde cant visit other prostitutes, and raiders, cronin, and i cant at all. I scanned swaggs night 3, and we dont think he was ever with barkeep. Therefore, its likely one of you two.

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 08:47 PM

blah. doesn't seem like there's much hope of swaying anyone then.

Blade6119 12-05-2006 08:48 PM

Come on chief, start that write-up

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 08:49 PM

Blade, why wouldn't you go with the strategy I outlined above? If DT stays in jail he can't do anything. If the game isn't over when we lynch bulletsponge, then we know DT has to be the one. If we let him live another day, it would allow a potential good guy to live until the end or it would allow us another chance to kill a potential bad guy with no ramifications.

I'm confused here why you wouldn't go with that unless you think that Chief Rum wouldn't keep him in jail on the evidence that it was either him or DC that poisoned Barkeep...

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 08:49 PM

Don't make me duke the vote...

I'd like to hear why you wouldn't entertain that strategy.

Blade6119 12-05-2006 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326753)
Blade, why wouldn't you go with the strategy I outlined above? If DT stays in jail he can't do anything. If the game isn't over when we lynch bulletsponge, then we know DT has to be the one. If we let him live another day, it would allow a potential good guy to live until the end or it would allow us another chance to kill a potential bad guy with no ramifications.

I'm confused here why you wouldn't go with that unless you think that Chief Rum wouldn't keep him in jail on the evidence that it was either him or DC that poisoned Barkeep...

Becuase if we keep him in jail we cant put another person in jail tonight...id like to lynch 2 tomorrow as well if we dont win it today.

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 08:52 PM

On another note, I can duke the vote on a prison lynch right Chief? Or do I have to let him go to avoid the lynch?

If it's option one, then don't worry DT. Unless Blade comes up with a good reason you won't die tonight. If it's option two....sorry, but you're as good as dead because I won't allow a potential baddie to be released to kill someone good.

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119 (Post 1326755)
Becuase if we keep him in jail we cant put another person in jail tonight...id like to lynch 2 tomorrow as well if we dont win it today.


I can put another person in jail tonight. It holds two. I'm not sure if we could lynch both of them as well as another lynch though...Chief?

st.cronin 12-05-2006 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326754)
Don't make me duke the vote...

I'd like to hear why you wouldn't entertain that strategy.


If you feel strongly enough, go ahead. But who would you duke the vote to? Swaggs? Hoopsguy? Izulde?

There just really aren't any other suspects. The last badguy has to be either bullet or DT. It's possible there was a conversion - but, I don't think there has been.

Blade6119 12-05-2006 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326757)
I can put another person in jail tonight. It holds two. I'm not sure if we could lynch both of them as well as another lynch though...Chief?

Hold 2 on the same charges? We have one killer left...i felt 2 applied to 2 different murders

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326756)
On another note, I can duke the vote on a prison lynch right Chief? Or do I have to let him go to avoid the lynch?

If it's option one, then don't worry DT. Unless Blade comes up with a good reason you won't die tonight. If it's option two....sorry, but you're as good as dead because I won't allow a potential baddie to be released to kill someone good.


let's hope it's option 1 then.

thanks RA.

Blade6119 12-05-2006 08:57 PM

RA, dont duke it...you will hurt our team if you do

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 08:59 PM

Unfortunately I can't duke the vote to someone else. It just saves that person. I believe I can hold two guys on the same charge since I don't need evidence to jail them.

hoopsguy 12-05-2006 09:00 PM

Blade and Cronin - why did you guys visit Path on back-to-back nights? I don't get that at all.

hoopsguy 12-05-2006 09:01 PM

We got confirmation from you, Path, and me that you guys looked at Path on Night 5 - so why did you go back to him again on Night 6? Not because you were worried about him being converted in between ... so what gives?

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1326767)
We got confirmation from you, Path, and me that you guys looked at Path on Night 5 - so why did you go back to him again on Night 6? Not because you were worried about him being converted in between ... so what gives?


i'd like to know that too...:confused:

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 09:02 PM

I trust them explicitly. If they weren't the real Holmes and Watson, then someone else would've come forward to claim those roles.

hoopsguy 12-05-2006 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1326626)
Cronin, where did you and Blade head last night?


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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1326636)
We went after path.


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Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1326647)
OK, so what was the timing on that? Did you speak to him and he was killed later? Because I'm the one that discovered the body ...

What district was Path in?


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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1326657)
We interviewed him in Commercial prior to him being killed.


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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1326659)
Dola

We recieved no information on the murder other than what was posted in thread by Chief Rum.


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Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1326667)
Anyone else in the district? Did you guys see me in Commercial?


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Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1326670)
Because I didn't see you guys - on three previous evenings I have seen you guys doing your interrogation. Last night I was in the district with you - with nothing in my PM or the night write-up that indicates particularly bad viewing conditions - and I do not encounter you interrogating Path. So I'm wondering what was different?


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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1326672)
I did not notice you at all, but I haven't seen Blade's pm yet. We don't always get the same information.


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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1326673)
No idea. Maybe something about path?


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Originally Posted by Blade6119 (Post 1326683)
Cronin, please check your PM box...we need to talk about a few things in private


I'm really confused about this, guys. Please reply to this ASAP.

hoopsguy 12-05-2006 09:05 PM

Raiders, I'm just trying to understand an event that doesn't make sense to me right now.

Because I don't think that DT could have done the killing last night. The night description indicates he was arrested during dinner or something to that extent, as well as asking at the end if he could have committed a killing when he was in jail. I'll pull that stuff up, but if DT is the last killer it feels like Chief went through a decent amount of trouble in his write-up to cast more than reasonable doubt on this.

Blade6119 12-05-2006 09:05 PM

Hoops, for the time being id like to keep secret what actually went on last night...ill tell you when i deem it relevant, but for now its not important

hoopsguy 12-05-2006 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1326033)
Despite the iffy nature of the lynch in the day time, the people of Whitechapel remain resolved to settle this matter within the next day or two. There are calls to arrest Daddy Torgo, as Dodgerchick's innocence can only mean he is guilty, can it not, they reasoned?

They will not wait around on the Chief of Inspectors, though. They have another night to try to pass alive. They return quietly to their homes to wait it out.

It is a quiet night, and not many are out except for the prostitutes--and the constables! They do indeed find DaddyTorgo in Whitechapel, getting some dinner, and they arrest him on the charge of suspicion of the murder of Barkeep! There is no incident in his arrest, and he is removed to the jail on Whitechapel Road.

The public remains inside while this is happening--but apparently that cannot keep them safe. Early in the wee morning hours, [b]hoopsguy[/b[, working on a corner in Commercial, hears a door opening and closing repeatedly in the wind a block over from his spot for the night. He goes to investigate, and soon arrives at path12's door.

Soon a hue and cry has been raised. path12 is dead! A dagger has been thrust into his heart, and his flat is torn up from the struggle.

And yet, DaddyTorgo was already in jail...

[b]NIGHT SIX NOW ENDS. DAY SIX NOW BEGINS. THE DEADLINE FOR VOTING AND DAY ACTIONS IS 10 P.M. EST/7 P.M. PDT. THE MINIMUM REQUIRED LYNCH NUMBERS IN THE REGULAR LYNCH IS TWO.

DADDYTORGO IS ALSO UP FOR LYNCHING.


Bold, italic, and underline are mine for emphasis.

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 09:07 PM

So would you say if I duked the vote against DT I would be making a mistake? At this point, I don't see the harm in laying our cards on the table.

Chief Rum 12-05-2006 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326756)
On another note, I can duke the vote on a prison lynch right Chief? Or do I have to let him go to avoid the lynch?

If it's option one, then don't worry DT. Unless Blade comes up with a good reason you won't die tonight. If it's option two....sorry, but you're as good as dead because I won't allow a potential baddie to be released to kill someone good.


The Chief of Inspectors can stop a prison lynch as well in much the same manner. Nothing I am saying here is to indicate whether Raiders Army is actually that role.

hoopsguy 12-05-2006 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119 (Post 1326772)
Hoops, for the time being id like to keep secret what actually went on last night...ill tell you when i deem it relevant, but for now its not important


I more or less played along with this stuff earlier in the game, but I have no idea why you would take this approach now.

hoopsguy 12-05-2006 09:08 PM

I would prefer that we leave DT in jail for an extra day if that is an option.

Chief Rum 12-05-2006 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326757)
I can put another person in jail tonight. It holds two. I'm not sure if we could lynch both of them as well as another lynch though...Chief?


The jail holds two, and there is currently one open cell.

Anyone in jail can be lynched that day, regardless of what happens with the other occupant.

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1326777)
I more or less played along with this stuff earlier in the game, but I have no idea why you would take this approach now.


agreed. could blade + cronin be sherlock+watson AND masons or something? there is absolutely no reason for the hiding of anything at this point. i didn't kill path. I didn't kill barkeep. but i'm starting to wonder why you two are being so secretive. If I had a vote tonight I would have to consider one/both of you.

where would the harm be in that? keep me in jail, lynch one of the two of them and maybe we'd find out why they were so secretive?

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 09:12 PM

So let's just leave DT alone for today and focus on bulletsponge. Wouldn't that make the most sense???

Blade6119 12-05-2006 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1326777)
I more or less played along with this stuff earlier in the game, but I have no idea why you would take this approach now.


Because my partner deemed it important to...i frankly debated releasing some info, but were a team and his opinion of our two infos was some things are best kept to ourselves.

Especially if someone we trust is evil, which we would have learned if RA didnt duke DT...we have two people i dont trust to some extent, and both were to die today.

hoopsguy 12-05-2006 09:12 PM

Blade, at this point keeping your information to yourself is fostering undue suspicion if you are in fact who you say you are. I have not seen anything that clearly identifies you as Sherlock Holmes in the times that I have observed you. I've had reason to believe you are, based upon traveling with Cronin and the fact that your actions have led to removing bad guys, but I do not have direct evidence to support it.

When Cronin posts that you went to visit the guy that you visited the night before, and I was in the same district and didn't see you, I'm pretty sure that something is up. You tell me not to worry about it when we are down to eight players? C'mon - put yourself in my shoes here.

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1326781)
agreed. could blade + cronin be sherlock+watson AND masons or something? there is absolutely no reason for the hiding of anything at this point. i didn't kill path. I didn't kill barkeep. but i'm starting to wonder why you two are being so secretive. If I had a vote tonight I would have to consider one/both of you.

where would the harm be in that? keep me in jail, lynch one of the two of them and maybe we'd find out why they were so secretive?


Ummm...you're really making a mistake here. Why lynch one of them when Moriarty is still out there? Huh???

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1326784)
Blade, at this point keeping your information to yourself is fostering undue suspicion if you are in fact who you say you are. I have not seen anything that clearly identifies you as Sherlock Holmes in the times that I have observed you. I've had reason to believe you are, based upon traveling with Cronin and the fact that your actions have led to removing bad guys, but I do not have direct evidence to support it.

When Cronin posts that you went to visit the guy that you visited the night before, and I was in the same district and didn't see you, I'm pretty sure that something is up. You tell me not to worry about it when we are down to eight players? C'mon - put yourself in my shoes here.


very very suspicious i agree. no really, CR said that masons were around...could Blade+Cronin be masons (or even be holmes+watson AND ALSO be masons) with their own seperate victory conditions?

Blade6119 12-05-2006 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326782)
So let's just leave DT alone for today and focus on bulletsponge. Wouldn't that make the most sense???


Not to me and cronin...RA, we have trusted you all game(and mostly vice versa), and if one of us were converted you would know it. Your basically saying you would rather take DT and hoops' opinions over ours...2 totally uncleared players over two totally cleared players...

If we kill these two we should win(and both are the two remaining lovers of barkeep)...you have my opinion, and as holmes id like to see both DT and bullet die tonight

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 09:15 PM

I'm not saving you DT due to that. What's done is done.

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326786)
Ummm...you're really making a mistake here. Why lynch one of them when Moriarty is still out there? Huh???


because something doesn't add up with them, as hoops is saying.

Raiders Army 12-05-2006 09:16 PM

UNVOTE NO LYNCH DADDY TORGO
LYNCH DADDY TORGO

Blade6119 12-05-2006 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326786)
Ummm...you're really making a mistake here. Why lynch one of them when Moriarty is still out there? Huh???


And your trying to save him from a lynch...hes telling you to lynch us, when you know were still good. If they converted one of us the other would know, as we are always together. You would know if one of us fell to darkness, but there is DT suggesting

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army (Post 1326790)
I'm not saving you DT due to that. What's done is done.



i'm just saying RA...something doesn't add up. and like blade is saying, in a numbers game right now, we are so far ahead that we can almost afford that lynch to find out what the two of them are really up to.

DaddyTorgo 12-05-2006 09:17 PM

if you're both good blade, then why didn't hoops see you, that's all i'm asking. and why won't you share why you two visited path again? i don't even have a lynch vote, i'm not trying to get you two lynched, i just want you to answer the question.


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