Its too bad that the Clinton campaign continues to lie. At what point do they realize that sometimes the truth is better than the lie?

Everything with Trump is a con:

I'm starting to think that the two major parties could run Hitler and Stalin and this country still wouldn't vote third party.

Something has to change right? We can't get two historically unpopular, old candidates who have run such uninspiring and gaffe prone campaigns and stick with the exact same system the next time around? Please?

trade in your wife every 15 years for a younger and more vigorous model?

That hypothetical pair might be more in tune with what the large majority of voters actually want than what we've seen from the large majority of actual third party candidates.

Anyone actually believe she has pneumonia? They lied about her being healthy, they lied about fainting from overheating, and now its pneumonia.

This is exactly what I thought before pneumonia was mentioned.


Oh Jesus Christ.

Hey guys, he hasn't posted since he posted this. Think it went OK? :D

I dunno, it might be time.

{Raises hand.} I'm not a supporter of telling lies, but I totally get *why* they told that lie. She's being hit on her health, and now she has a legitimate serious-sounding illness. Of *course* they're not going to put that out there unless absolutely necessary.As mentioned earlier in the thread, this is where I think they just plain screwed up. They got caught with their pants down when that video came out.

Of course all that said, pneumonia for people over 65 is more serious for those who are younger. So I hope Clinton does get some rest. Of course that's easy to say when you aren't running for office.

She wasn't doing much the last few months...another week or two should be fine.

I got pneumonia last year, thinking it was a cold that wasn't going away. Antibiotics and going to bed early for a couple of days worked for me, but I'm 43 and in reasonable shape.

Then like two days later I was reading an article about a scientist who lived in the early 20th century and it happened to mention, off-handedly, that he died at age 35 of pneumonia. I was like: "Well, FUCK!"

"Sick with pneumonia and still beating Trump in the polls!"

I've had pneumonia twice. Both times were basically colds that felt like they went on and on. Both times went to the doctor after 4 weeks because finally I felt so bad that I could barely move around. Would get lightheaded and faint with just standing. Both times had to take multiple days off work, basically doing nothing but just laying down.

So yes, I believe it.

I've had pneumonia once. I was 24 years old and in good physical condition. It's the only time in my life where I thought "I might actually die." During the worst 36ish hours of it, I felt so drained and lightheaded when I tried to stand that when I had to relieve myself, I would literally crawl to the toilet and pull myself up on it.

No doubt! Hell, you or I could beat Trump in the polls. :)

Given the number of people the candidates meet and hands they shake, it's kind of amazing the Presidential candidates in particular aren't always sick.

The Dutch-Flere ticket. The National Liberal Neo-Conservative Socialist Capitalist Party.

Our slogan can be: "If you don't accept everybody were kicking everybody's ass"

That or "What could possibly go wrong?"

I like my campaign theme.

"Let's face it. Whoever you elect is going to fuck you. But I promise you this. I will fuck you less than the other guy. Don't get me wrong - I'm going to fuck you. But I'm going to do it just a little bit less than my opponents."

"Vote Rob - He'll fuck you less."

I recall reading somewhere that Obama said that the best non-standard advice that W gave him for the job was "keep hand sanitizer around at all times."

She hit me in the arm once and that was it. I've got feeling back in the limb now, but it was touch and go for a while.

Of course, now that the story has developed that she has pneumonia, I get to deal with my 70 year old father who was in the hospital for a week last month with necrotizing pneumonia and is now claiming he feels fine. He's also been claiming for months that Clinton is on death's door and might not live to the election.

I guess it's time to ask if his will is up to date. :)

Doesn't Trump not shake hands due to germs?

That's Howie Mandel.

I don't know if you were going for a joke, but I laughed.

Both candidates are ~70 and have refused to release (accurate) medical reports, the job noticeably ages younger men, and we've heard increasing stories about the hidden health problems of the last elderly President. It's the height of hypocrisy that Donald Trump is the one raising the issues, but yeah I question whether either candidate could survive the grind for 8 years.

Not that it'll happen, but the replacement discussion is interesting. I guess the decision to withdraw is entirely up to her, then the DNC committee (which is presumably still stacked with establishment members even if DWS isn't running the clown show anymore) would meet and vote. I think Joe Biden would be the presumptive favorite over Kaine, but I wonder if they'd go to Gillibrand instead as a symbolic torchbearer who keeps up the first woman president theme and avoids having two white males on the ticket. I don't think Warren would be a good candidate and her speech at the DNC would be used as evidence of that. The angst from the Bernie supporters as he isn't even considered would be hilarious. The one other wild card I could see who could turn this race into a rout would be Michelle Obama, but I think it's too soon for her.

OTOH, in 2008 people were claiming there was no way John McCain would live 8 more years and here we are in 2016 and he still looks strong at 80 (I hope I didn't jinx him...).

It's fairly amazing that Trump can get away with calling Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas.

But that's very different than saying because she passed out or almost passed out that validates the rumors about her health.

At some point, we'll stop starting sentences this way.

I once heard a college basketball analyst say that constantly aggressively pressing teams have an advantage--the refs simply are not going to call every foul when you are fouling every time. You start to get away with routine fouls.

It's the same way with Trump. He's either figured out or lucked into the fact that the media won't keep reporting your outrageous statements as long as you keep being outrageous.

But aren't we pretty much right on top of the window for getting a different name on the ballot in enough states to even have a chance for an electoral victory? (I've seen "early September" cited in a recent article, WSJ or WaPo I think it was)

At this point I don't know if, short of literally dying, she could withdraw even if she wanted to. Not and still have a chance for her party to win at least.

I can get behind these. Literally in CW's case. WOAH! :D


Correct: Trump Is Right About One Thing: Shaking Hands Is Kinda Gross | Huffington Post


Yeah, but he wasn't President these past 8 years.

10 U.S. Presidents Before And After Their Terms In Office | Bored Panda


There's precedent for dead people winning elections: Five people have won election to Congress, despite being dead - The Washington Post

This is very macabre, but if Clinton died or withdrew tomorrow and the DNC said the ticket would be Biden/Kaine (even if it had to be convoluted like Clinton/Kaine wins, Kaine gets inaugurated and appoints Biden, Kaine resigns, Biden appoints Kaine VP), they probably win with 55%+ of the vote.

As I understand it there's a functional difference in winning after death versus her simply "withdrawing". You can do the former & remain on the ballot, and there's procedures to handle that. If she does the latter however, I believe the Ds are pretty much screwed electorally since she cannot be replaced on the ballot in every state and there apparently isn't enough wiggle room for it to simply be treated as "well, those votes really just count for X"

What could happen however is that the race gets thrown to the House if no candidate manages an electoral majority after a Trump vs Hillary (where she remained on the ballot) AND Trump vs Replacement Candidate race (where replaced). Or at least that's what an analysis I read last night (written weeks ago, actually prompted by a Trump withdraws scenario) suggested.

Blah, sorry about my grammar mix up. Should of said due, not do.

Some of these Presidents look substantially older... some don't. For instance, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Eisenhower just look 8 years old.

:D

The weird brain damage rumors? Sure. But I'd say her passing out due to an undisclosed illness that the campaign tried to cover up validates the theory that her campaign isn't being 100% honest about her health. I think it's valid to question her health, just as it's valid to question Trump's due to that absurd medical report, or was valid to question McCain's in 2008. Old people tend to have more health problems, it's a very high stress job, and any of the 3 would be the oldest President elected. Just because some weird conspiracy nuts took it too far doesn't mean the basic questions are invalid.

Well, actually Hillary Clinton would be younger than Ronald Reagan at time of first election to the Presidency. I realize that's not a great argument considering what likely happened with Reagan in his 2nd Term (though saying that Reagan's 2nd term included some pretty great successes, especially with the Soviets - and it was his second term ;) )

Clinton's choice of Kaine is looking even better now. We'd have an even bigger problem if she picked Sanders or Warren.

Many people are saying that Trump isn't even alive. His body has been cryogenically frozen and he's just this soulless heartless being with whatever they inject in you running through his veins.

Sad!

I wonder if we'll ever move away from older politicians as Presidential candidates. Both are in their seventies and while I don't want to say that disqualifies them, it's also not at the peak of physical and mental status.

It feels like as an electorate we should be aiming more for people in their 50's when it comes to electing a President. Even if Clinton and Trump looked like the picture of perfect health, so many issues start creeping in at that age that it could result in big issues for the country.

Also maybe I'm crazy but I think Trump stands a better chance if Clinton stays in the raise and just has a bunch of questions over her heard. If they replaced her with Kaine for instance, I think it'd benefit the Dems because he's a boring candidate and people would be essentially voting against Trump anyway.

I can't tell you how many people I've talked to who said "I hate Clinton but I can't vote for Trump".

You know our last three presidents have been 47, 54 and 46, right?

Eh, maybe drunk thread?

Partly drunk, partly typing on a phone and using Android auto-complete.

I saw on FB a posting by my wifes ultra liberal friend, the new spin is HRC went to a ceremony while having pneumonia and it being hot and humid.

This election is AWESOME!