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Passacaglia 07-10-2009 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2070098)
it is on my mind. i have thought about it.

however you have not been seer-scanned to date (seer and i have an established code in-thread to indicate results on all players), and thus your information is taken with a massive grain of salt.

whereas nfg is confirmed-good.

even if we lynch you and we're incorrect (because of a conversion) we are still able to add saldana to the CoT at that point, as well as lynch EagleFan. So it nets out being a 1:1 trade, plus we know NFG is converted at that point, so it becomes 2:1 in favor of the village.


This sounds like you're already apologizing for lynching a villegar.
"Oh, sorry we killed you, Passacaglia, but you see, NFG was confirmed good!"
Might as well just get it right the first time.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 03:56 PM

DT, let me ask you something.

If it so happens that I'm not able to convince people of my innocence in the coming days / I haven't been scanned, I was thinking of just sacrificing my ability. I feel like using it might distract the village whereas proving my innocence would perhaps point it in the right direction.

ISiddiqui 07-10-2009 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2070101)
Right, I remember, the soothsayer things. That seems like so long ago.


LOL. The first day seems like forever ago to me. Is it always like this in WW games? :D

The Jackal 07-10-2009 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2070112)
LOL. The first day seems like forever ago to me. Is it always like this in WW games? :D


Depends on what kind of game it is. Sometimes there are runaways because of 100% believed evidence, and then there's games like this where no one seems to believe anything. For good reason, too.

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2070105)
Sorry, it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep all the facts and reveals of information in order, I probably should be keeping a text file or something.


hahaha yeah -- nothing organizes data like a text file!

The Jackal 07-10-2009 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 2070114)
hahaha yeah -- nothing organizes data like a text file!


It helps me process. I don't need spreadsheets clogging information up.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 04:01 PM

You should see the text edit files that got produced during Labyrinth...

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2070108)
DT, let me ask you something.

If it so happens that I'm not able to convince people of my innocence in the coming days / I haven't been scanned, I was thinking of just sacrificing my ability. I feel like using it might distract the village whereas proving my innocence would perhaps point it in the right direction.


i can see the wisdom in that. it's certainly the "right" play to make going by the book, although it's difficult. it depends I guess on where you are as far as seer-scan priority when we get to that point.

if you made that play you'd certainly gain major "WW karma", but I don't think I'd necessarily ask you to make it. i wouldn't want that responsibility or level of micro-management.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 2070107)
This sounds like you're already apologizing for lynching a villegar.
"Oh, sorry we killed you, Passacaglia, but you see, NFG was confirmed good!"
Might as well just get it right the first time.


not at all. just laying out the full picture

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 04:04 PM

i wonder if we'll get the lynch in on Pass before the weekend or if we have to listen to a full weekend of him squirming in the wolf-trap.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 04:04 PM

okay anyways - i'm leaving work. might be on my phone but it takes longer to respond on there, so nowhere near as many posts from me.

Autumn 07-10-2009 04:05 PM

Jackal, I don't know what your ability is but it's not like you're at the end of your game here. I don't think your tops on anybody's suspect list other than mine, but you are on the suspect list so seems like you could hang on and hope to get scanned instead, if your ability would be better used later.

The last thing we need is everybody wasting their abilities at this point.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 2070121)
Jackal, I don't know what your ability is but it's not like you're at the end of your game here. I don't think your tops on anybody's suspect list other than mine, but you are on the suspect list so seems like you could hang on and hope to get scanned instead, if your ability would be better used later.

The last thing we need is everybody wasting their abilities at this point.


It was definitely a question for the future, and I hope I never have to make the decision.

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2070119)
i wonder if we'll get the lynch in on Pass before the weekend or if we have to listen to a full weekend of him squirming in the wolf-trap.


You guys had better hope you get the whole weekend to think about this more clearly!

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 04:11 PM

Seriously, the set-up here is pretty obvious -- it should be easy to spot.

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 04:13 PM

I guess it's too late to get DT on this now, but I'm going to guess that NFG knew he was trusted by DT, and that's why he was the one to point the finger at me. Also, why did EF not get any traction in the votes after I pointed him out? Probably cuz a good portion of them are wolves.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 04:15 PM

Does our government really employ "soothsayers", btw? ;)

Barkeep49 07-10-2009 04:24 PM

The game will be paused tonight no earlier than 10 and no later than 12. The wiggle room is based on:
A. How tired I get
B. How likely there is to be an action

Just wanted to put that out there as I've seen some confusion about it.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 04:25 PM

FYI I'll be gone from 7:00ish until I don't really know when this evening.

Alan T 07-10-2009 04:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2070105)
Sorry, it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep all the facts and reveals of information in order, I probably should be keeping a text file or something.



I've been keeping a text file of all important notes of the game as they pertain to me.

Thomkal 07-10-2009 04:35 PM

Okay I'm back for about a half hour and see I have a lot to catch up on, not sure I'll get to the end before I have to go again. So bear with me if there's any questions you had for me while I was gone.

Barkeep49 07-10-2009 04:40 PM

I will just point out that quoting GM messages to you verbatim is not allowed.

Poli 07-10-2009 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2070142)
I will just point out that quoting GM messages to you verbatim is not allowed.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2064816)
If you insist...

You are the clock. As the clock your role is to post menacing/ominous beeps/ticks during the game. This should be done to provide extra tension and/or allow for commercial breaks.


!!

Poli 07-10-2009 05:00 PM

Beep, beep, beep, beep...

Thomkal 07-10-2009 05:17 PM

okay I've caught up and I can safely say this is one of the craziest days in WW history. I thought we were on to something when Pass used his soothsayer power on EagleFan. That reveal then from nfg about Pass was shocking and his subsequent lock up by the FBI was confusing. Not sure which one to believe at this point, but after not trusting Danny's info yesterday, I'm not going to make that mistake twice. So I will trust that DT has some info about nfg and others that makes him believe his reveal and....

vote passacaglia

I wil now be away from the computer again for about an hour or so.

EagleFan 07-10-2009 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poli (Post 2070149)
Beep, beep, beep, beep...


bravo!!!

Barkeep49 07-10-2009 05:20 PM

Lynch with post 2229.

Barkeep49 07-10-2009 05:25 PM

It was a day false starts followed by many a stop. In the end Jack takes charge. He takes his gun out, aims, and shoots Pass in the head. People are stunned. But a search reveals that this was the right action to take. As Jonas Hodges, he was most definitely aiding the Conspiracy.

Quote:

Welcome to the Conspiracy. As Jonas Hodges, twice during the game you may imprison a player for eight hours. While a player is in prison they will not be able to take an actions, including voting or PM'ing.


Note that Jack's involvement is moderator color only.

Final vote tally:
Thomkal: henry (1711 9:35 pm) saldana (1758; 10:33 pm) ntn (1762, 10:35 pm)
Pass: EF (2052 1:45 pm) DT (2057, 1:45 pm) Jackal (2062, 1:46 PM) PB: (2109 2:00) Isidiqui (2143 2:23 pm) Autumn (2148 2:38 pm) Schmidty (2161 2:58 pm) king (2184 3:36 pm) thomkal (2229 5:17 pm)
EF: Pass (1986, 1:05 pm)

ISiddiqui 07-10-2009 05:26 PM

Alright!! That's the second wolf we got!

ISiddiqui 07-10-2009 05:29 PM

Btw, like Jack's involvement as well :D.

Especially as he was the push for the lynching.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 05:30 PM

Good stuff.

EagleFan 07-10-2009 05:32 PM

Two down.

Autumn 07-10-2009 05:40 PM

Nice, well despite the confusion I'm glad we listened. Guess that clears up the prison thing.

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 05:44 PM

I *told* you! Oh, wait.

Autumn 07-10-2009 05:51 PM

I'll probably be out for a while, time to put the kids to bed. I think we've got a lot to go on now but probably better to see how things play out before we say too much.

ntndeacon 07-10-2009 06:20 PM

does that mean we will get nfg out early. I am making an assumption it was Pass that confined him.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 06:40 PM

awesome! great way to head into the weekend!!

thanks for trusting me everyone.

of note - this should call into question Pass' clearing of Saldana (he may have been lying to try to slip a wolf into the CoT or he may have been telling the truth to try to buy trust). It also calls EagleFan into question for the same reasons.

Obviously Occam's Razor would say that Saldana is evil and EagleFan is good, but Pass is a crafty player and I could see him reversing that. We'll have to see.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 06:41 PM

wait - does this mess up henry's list and call him into question? *forgetting*

kingfc22 07-10-2009 06:42 PM

Sweet. Still not liking how I have to use DT for any and all actions, but we got the result none the less

path12 07-10-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2070220)
wait - does this mess up henry's list and call him into question? *forgetting*


I don't think Pass was one of the Telle voters but I'd have to check to be sure. Good call with nfg.

path12 07-10-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296 (Post 2069158)
It is time to reveal.

I am Renee Walker an FBI agent. My power gives me the ability to learn about the voters the first time I vote to lynch a villager. In addition if I cast the last vote that causes the deadline to learn the name of a someone who voted with me. The information that I'm given is how many members of the conspiracy voted with me. In this case there were no members of the conspiracy who voted with me.

Here was the vote totals from the death of Telle.

Telle: path (1502, 4:49 pm) saldana (1515 6:28 pm) Purdue (1560, 7:30 PM) nfg (1632 8:36 pm) ntn (1639 8:39 pm) henry (1653 8:43 pm)
nfg
Jackal: Thomakl (1411, 2:24 PM) Pass (1425 2:57 pm) iSidiqui (1465 3:52 pm)
Danny: Autumn (1450, 3:21 PM)

Therefore, I'm convinced Thomkal, Pass, Isidiqui and Autumn are our conspirators.

VOTE Thomkal


Nope, Pass was on Jackal.

kingfc22 07-10-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2069182)
If we are to believe henry:

These are the remaining suspects:
3. TheJackal
7. Autumn
8. Schmidty
14. ISiddiqui
19. Kingfc22 - I know i'm good
20. Thomkal
24. eaglefan

High trust:
15. DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer
12. BrianD - Recovering from torture
16. ntndeacon
13. nfg22

Mid to High:
23. henry296

Mid Trust with henry's info:
10. PurdueBrad - clear
17. Saldana - clear
22. path12 - clear


Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2070220)
wait - does this mess up henry's list and call him into question? *forgetting*


Nope. Henry is still good.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2070221)
Sweet. Still not liking how I have to use DT for any and all actions, but we got the result none the less


you don't have to use me...i'm just not fully disclosing all the nitty gritty. but that's good - it's keeping our seer hidden. i mean i could assume the wolves know who it is since they had CR looking no doubt, but i don't want to assume that. i've already told you all that they've told me...i'm just not telling you all all the details of everything in order to keep them hidden and keep all your powers hidden.

the more people inside the CoT that i reveal are NOT the seer the smaller the wolves' pool of choices is. so i'm trying to keep everyone's powers obscured because of that.

i didn't jump down your throat for what you did to nfg, did i? i would have told you not to if we had PM's still obviously...but it's not like you killed a member of the CoT. no harm, no foul.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 06:53 PM

thanks for looking at that guys - i've got a tiny bit of a headache growing.

i'm going to steal that list and modify it according to what i know King.

kingfc22 07-10-2009 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2070229)
thanks for looking at that guys - i've got a tiny bit of a headache growing.

i'm going to steal that list and modify it according to what i know King.


Do what you got to do Jack.

Two in a row ain't bad. :cool:

saldana 07-10-2009 07:04 PM

wow..this real time thing is the most off the hook mechanic ever...i thought i would finally be able to be in the thread for the lynch, and i still missed it.

as far as my soothed clear, i though path was the soothsayer, not pass?

i have not been able to pay nearly enough attention to this game...way too many things are changing way too fast.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 07:04 PM

No Verified Trust
TheJackal
Autumn
ISiddiqui
Thomkal

Questionable due to Passacaglia
eaglefan (pass claimed he was evil)
saldana (pass claimed he was good)

Mid-Trust (thru actions, or etc)
kingfc22 (his action resulted in no harm to nfg)
path12



High trust:
DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer
BrianD
ntndeacon (only by action, but he did kill a wolf)
nfg22
PurdueBrad
henry296
Schmidty

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 2070235)
wow..this real time thing is the most off the hook mechanic ever...i thought i would finally be able to be in the thread for the lynch, and i still missed it.

as far as my soothed clear, i though path was the soothsayer, not pass?

i have not been able to pay nearly enough attention to this game...way too many things are changing way too fast.


Nope - Pass "claimed" to be the soothsayer. Path claims to be something else.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2070237)
No Verified Trust
TheJackal
Autumn
ISiddiqui
Thomkal

Questionable due to Passacaglia
eaglefan (pass claimed he was evil)
saldana (pass claimed he was good)

Mid-Trust (thru actions, or etc)
kingfc22 (his action resulted in no harm to nfg)
path12



High trust:
DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer
BrianD
ntndeacon (only by action, but he did kill a wolf)
nfg22
PurdueBrad
henry296
Schmidty


Couple notes about this: This list DOES NOT take Henry's list into account despite the fact that he is high-trust. To take Henry's list into account COMBINED with my list, disregard Saldana and Path12 as potential wolves.

path12 07-10-2009 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2070241)
Couple notes about this: This list DOES NOT take Henry's list into account despite the fact that he is high-trust. To take Henry's list into account COMBINED with my list, disregard Saldana and Path12 as potential wolves.


Wouldn't you assume that since Pass claimed that EagleFan was bad that EagleFan is in fact good instead?

I know it's not 100%, but it's way above 75% in my book.


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