Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2025945)

hmmm

I thought MartinD was this guy













but he is really this guy

Originally Posted by MartinD (Post 2025951)

Neither is particularly close to the mark - even though it's the national dress, I have never worn a kilt, and have no intention of wearing one in the future.

(I'm really not doing my reputation as a proud Scot any good here, am I? :lol: )

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 2025958)

Dubb, I've had those posts up for four days now. I'm sorry if there are any errors in them (I'm not going to have time to look now but will later) but I think I've been very consistent in saying that you are among the most trusted villagers in the game based on your two votes for EF on Days 1 and 2. I'm definitely not guilty of trying to do anything to sabotage your credibility.

Pass - I think Autumn's plan of attack (look at the PB voters from D2) and if you don't like the way I worded it then I don't know what to tell you. I also don't have time right now for 20 questions on why I feel this way but I think my posts have been pretty consistent in explaining my viewpoint.

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2025960)

lol i think he meant to say that that was the best way to go

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 2025971)

No, Autumn is saying to look at the PB voters today. To ignore the EF voters and look at the PB ones from Day 2.

Anyone looking at the EF voters today is distracting people from the side of the vote that probably contains more wolves.

And I'm backing that plan knowing that I'm on the wrong side of the vote on Day 2.

I (mostly) was not trying to be a smartass on the 20 questions thing. I'll be lucky to have 10 minutes in the thread over the next couple of hours.

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 2025999)

Oh geez, I don't know what I was thinking -- when I made that post, I was sure MartinD and lerriuqs had both voted for EF. Oh well. How many questions do I get docked for that one?

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 2026006)

One thing that I would ask - you have quoted the "record of the posts" stuff but not my analysis posts (player by player) that immediately follow. I think the analysis posts have a lot more meat to them and serve as a better barometer for my feelings on players.

By all means, reference the posts stuff (better for universal timeline) but if you are asking questions about how I feel on people I think you might find that I've answered some/many of the questions already in the "version 2" analysis post.

I'll dig up the post when I get home tonight, but that won't happen for a few hours. I think I posted it somewhere around 3PM CST on Friday of last week, give or take an hour ...

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 2023640)

Here is the more advanced version of vote analysis from the first two days, based on my interpretations:

1. Claphamsa D1: PackerFanatic D2: Telle Unvotes: PB (D2 early) Timing: throwaway vote late D2 (Telle five back, inside of last 20-30 minutes) rather than voting one of lead dogs.

2. EagleFan - Evil Information Collector, Lynched Day 2

3. Barkeep D1: NTN D2: Telle Unvotes: Hoops (D2), PB (D2 late) Timing: PB move in last hour, moving vote from 8-7 PB to 7-7 PB/EF. This is marginally better than I recall last night, as it indirectly increased pressure on EF.

4. The Jackal D1: NTN D2: PB Unvotes: EF Timing: middle of D3, changes to PB 3 posts later and margin goes from 5EF - 4PB to 4EF - 5PB. He looks worse now than I recalled last night with no end votes on EF and an unvote on EF yesterday.

5. Abe D1: NTN D2: PB Unvotes: None Timing: D2 vote tied up PB with EF at 4-4. Links himself through trust to BK at least twice in thread.

6. PackerFanatic D1: NTN D2: EF Unvotes: Lerriuqs (D1) Timing: no real meaning to discern from D1 vote change. D2 vote on EF was meaningful (7-6 margin).

7. Hoopsguy D1: EF D2: PB Unvotes: None Timing: both pretty early votes, no moves to save EF on D1, no moves to hang EF on D2.

8. PurdueBrad D1: NTN D2: EF Unvotes: Hoops (D1, D2), EF (D1, D2), NTN (D1), Telle (D1) Timing: all kind of late vote changes, not always optimal for survival until last five minutes. Can certainly make a case that he was trying to help EF based on D1 NTN late call and D2 late movement away from EF to anyone offered as an option

9. Lathum D1: EF D2: PB Unvotes: Poli (D1), Abe (D1) Timing: pretty insignificant vote moves, early in day. Erratic play on D2 hard to understand, but suggests alternate win conditions

10. Martin D D1: PB D2: EF Unvotes: None Timing: D2 vote on EF was meaningful.

11. Poli D1: Abe D2: EF Unvotes: Lathum (D1), Telle (D1, D2), PB (D2) Timing: had multiple chances to put vote on EF on Day 2, did not until very end of day. This looks like one of the worst voting records of the people who have an EF final vote to their name.

12. Passacaglia D1: NTN D2: EF Unvotes: Lerriuqs (D1), Hoops (D1 + D2), EF (D2 - sort of) Timing; NTN votes on D1 tied it back up at 4-4 (he had voted No Lynch, then put vote back where it was when learning it was not a good option). His EF vote on D2 is muted by the fact that he illegally attempted to move his vote, failing to unvote when casting a vote for Telle. Another one of the weaker voting records with a EF vote to their name.

13. Lerriuqs D1: Pass D2: no vote Unvotes: None Timing: Day 2 vote on PB tied it at 7-7, not a good vote based on current information. Day 1 vote cast early, never revisited.

14. Dubb93 D1: EF D2: EF Unvotes: Saldana (D1), PB (D2) Timing: both unvotes came pretty early, both votes on EF were meaningful based on timing, no unvotes down stretch to help EF either time. Very good vote history.

15. Autumn D1: Telle D2: EF Unvotes: PB (D1) Timing: D2 vote on EF is strong, helping create two man race with PB. D1 unvote was very PB-friendly, moving him out of 2 vote lead to throw vote on distant candidate. One of drivers of potential 3rd candidate on Day 1.

16. Chief Rum D1: EF D2: PB Unvotes: None Timing: D1 vote was a big one against EF, D2 vote was a big one for EF. Has floated a couple of theories this game that have been dubious (EF/NTN voters with one wolf each early on, wolves would not block their own which was false on D2)

17. NTNDeacon - The Talker, Lynched Day 1

18. Telle D1: PB D2: PB Unvotes: Abe (D1) Timing: 2nd driver (w/Autumn) of 3rd candidate on D1 when there was a wolf in the mix. No good votes to help cause. Her votes have been early enough to not be magnified.

19. DaddyTorgo D1: no vote D2: EF Unvotes: PB (D2) Timing: Vote change on D2 looks good, but felt like he was looking for excessive credit for doing so when others were initial movers and shakers on EF.

20. AlanT - The Arbitrator, Night kill Day 2

21. Saldana D1: Dubb D2: Hoops Unvotes: EF (D2) Timing: pretty late unvote on EF brought race back to an 8-8 tie. D1 vote was more or less throwaway on likely villager.

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2025969)

I have never heard of haggis, but it looks interesting. I'd try it.

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2026024)

You are a sick man

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2025902)

you have harped all day on it. You mentioned you think a smart wolf is pulling some strings, you certainly fall under that catergory as well.

Not really sure how I am getting bent, I am merely responding to your claims, but if you feel the need to vote me please by all means do, your voting record stinks already, why stop now?

Originally Posted by lerriuqs (Post 2026040)

I need the self-preservation vote...

I discussed my voting pattern and lack of posting a day or so ago. I've nothing to add now other than if you lynch me, you get a villager. I'm not going to fight it.

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 2026049)

see heres the thing about being new to the game...we all were once, so we do understand the confusion that comes with this...but if you are confused, ask questions, and people will help you...i realize it was somewhat tounge in cheek, but on day one when someone (telle i think) asked for a summation of what acceptable day one voting strategies were, someone actually wrote up a list. just sitting back and not saying anything is more of a hinderance than help

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 2026061)

When looking at the "not voted" it doesn't seem likely that Lathum will be casting his vote today. So that really leaves five non-votes at this point.

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2026056)

What is the case against you, hoops? Stemming from voting on PB?

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 2026065)

Not that I can tell - best I can figure, people think I'm leading them down bad paths. I haven't heard the criticism being very vote-centric.

Originally Posted by lerriuqs (Post 2026059)

Thanks but I don't need a lecture and I'm not confused about anything going on. You're not killing a wolf by killing me...You'll see.

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 2026069)

sorry..didnt mean to come off preachy with the lecture feel...was just trying to explain my vote.

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 2026051)

I understand the Lerriuqs votes. I guess I can sort of understand the Dubb vote, as misguided as it is. But the Pass vote is all kinds of strange to me.

Look, we are significantly reducing our chances of getting a wolf today by putting me in harms way here. I know that this is a pretty empy claim that any villager can make, but I'm just puzzled by people's willingness to continue throwing me into the mix when there are numerous players whose voting records are really suspect. It is a low value play.

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2025584)

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 2026051)

I understand the Lerriuqs votes. I guess I can sort of understand the Dubb vote, as misguided as it is. But the Pass vote is all kinds of strange to me.

Look, we are significantly reducing our chances of getting a wolf today by putting me in harms way here. I know that this is a pretty empy claim that any villager can make, but I'm just puzzled by people's willingness to continue throwing me into the mix when there are numerous players whose voting records are really suspect. It is a low value play.

Originally Posted by lerriuqs (Post 2026092)

Unvote Hoops

Vote Lerriuqs

If this is what the group wants. Why should I argue?