I was just saying what others have been saying. People have come to trust me and have also considered RendeR to be trustworthy as an extension of their thoughts regarding me.

I agree.,... but we can lynch him tommmrow!

I've been trying to figure out why people are so convinced that mccollins is a wolf. What is your reasoning?

As of post 2203:

5 - mccollins - claphasma (2098), Danny (2111), EagleFan (2113), LoneStarGirl (2151), Mrs. Schmidty (2165)
3 - Danny - Telle (2118), Chief Rum (2180), RendeR (2199)
1 - LoneStarGirl - Schmidty (2189)
1 - EagleFan - mccollins (2200)

mccollins, why are you going after EagleFan? Do you not believe that he is the cultist? If he is the cultist then we need to keep him around because he counts as a villager. We just have to be careful to ignore anything he says :)

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

I don't like the piling on MC and I still have some issues with LSG from before.

Oh, I was focusing more on the fact that if he is the cultist he is a wolf. I see what you mean about helping our ratios - I wasn't really even considering that yet... had the blinders on :cool:

Unvote EagleFan

What's the nightfall vote count? I saw LSG added and I see that me and RendeR have not yet voted nightfall.

I also have not voted nightfall yet.

I'm counting 4 nightfalls: LoneStarGirl, claphasma, Danny, and EagleFan

I'm leaving for work so I have to keep this short. I haven't liked the pile-on as of late without any good explanation. Schmidty makes sense as far as the cultist being a little eager to vote for McCollins, then again, maybe EF thinks he's the hunter and wants to take him out - either way, it could be bad for us.

What's the reasoning for Danny Telle? He's UTR?

I'm more comfortable voting for LSG since she's been an instigator in some of our villagers getting their necks stretched.

UNVOTE MCCOLLINS
VOTE LSG

Well, this scares me. People never listen to me.

This could just be an easy opening for the wolves if LSG isn't a wolf.

Way to be positive :)

So far mccollins is still in the lead, and I think either of the other two are a much better choice than him seeing as how EagleFan was pushing so hard for his lynch. I'm also thinking that we have two if not three wolves with mccollins votes.

Heh. I'm just paranoid. :)

I'm looking at the current vote status and have to wonder:

If you're not trusting Telle and voting with her at this point, you're one of 7 people.

Out of those 7 people 1 is the cultist (who wins with the wolves) and 4 others are wolves.

Looking at the suspect list (Eagelfan(cultist), LSG, and Danny) all three are on Mccollins, as is CLaphamsa who has been UTR the entire game.

I'd put money that 3 of those 4 if not all 4 are actually bad. EF we leave alone because he counts as a villager. but we can certainly work on those other three.

Discuss?

I just find it highly interesting that so many of the high end suspects are all voting McC...

That's the EXACT reason I think mccollins is the Brutal Wolf - The wolves WANT to lynch him. That guarantees them two kills in one day. They don't care if they lose one wolf, when they essencially 4 (5 counting EF).

Here's what I don't get - if EagleFan is the cultist, why is he pushing so hard for me to be lynched? The theory is that it's because I'm the brutal wolf (note: I'm not a wolf at all though). However, doesn't a brutal wolf usually relent and accept the lynch so they can do their deed? I'm fighting for my life to stay alive here!

RendeR, I trust Telle (and by proxy you I suppose).

Between LoneStarGirl and Danny, I distrust LSG slightly more though - she voted for Passacaglia on days 3, 4. and 5.

I'm thinking EagleFan is just trying to take down another villager. At this point they don't really even need the brutal wolf to help them; we've been picking off villagers, with their help, one by one anyways.

Plus EagleFan was pushing for the mccollins lynch before he was found out to be the cultist, much in the same way he pushed for oliegirl. Once he was found out he seemed to mainly be trying to discount what Schmidty said.

I'm happy with taking down either Danny or LoneStarGirl. I think they're both wolves. I just feel a little better about lynching Danny because of my Day 1 theory.

What's the day 1 theory again?

I think it's highly doubtful that there wasn't a single wolf who voted for Lathum on Day 1. Right now there's only three people who aren't dead villagers who are on that list.. myself, RendeR, and Danny. To me, this means there's a high probability that Danny is a wolf.

What were those issues again?

we gotta kill him at some point? so why the hell not now!

unvote nightfall

I can't believe you are taking Schmidty's bait. Oh well, we might as well lose since that's how everyone is playing.

No chance that I'm unvoting a wolf though. If you want to lynch another villager I'll just throw my hands into the air and give up.

its still better for you to lynch a villegar!

No one answered this at all and have been conveniently ignoring it. If Schmidty scanned me as the cultist why in the hell did he follow my vote initially? Only then did he come up with this fake reveal as a way to change his vote off mccollins without is seeming suspicious.

Why on earth would would he follow my lead if he had the information that I was a cultist. He got caught and it's our first break, a possible HUGE break yet you want to ignore simple little facts.

- He votes mccollins AND nightfall to jump on the bandwagon I am accused of starting
- He then comes up with this fake reveal which is exactly counter to his vote
- He uses that as an excuse to unvote mccollins, hoping that we don;t notice his initial vote and figure it out
- He keeps claiming that the cultist knows the wolves' roles though this is not anywhere in the rules
- His UTR play and voting record show several villagers in the ground
- I have pushed after two people and was vocal against earlier votes which were on villagers
- I pushed for oliegirl after her mistatement and subsequent reaction to the questioning of her role, which many others picked up on
- I pulled back from that vote after going back over some of what she was saying and having second thoughts
- I have not pulled back from mccollins as he is getting more and more wolfish with every post and reaction, including voting for me because he thought I was the cultist (that vote ONLY helps the wolves)


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I still have a very hard time that if Schmidty is the cultist fake revealing as the philosopher that the person he chose to take down would just happen to be the real philosopher. Out of 12 other villagers.

Eagle, if you hadn't fake revealed as the philosopher I might have believed you and thought Schmidty was the cultist. For now, I'm more inclined to believe you really are the cultist no matter the timing of Schmidty's actions.

As such, as Telle suggested, we shouldn't continue to listen to your confusion.

There's not 12 other villagers. If there are 4 wolves and Schmidty that takes it down to a 1 in 7 shot.

Are you purposely overlooking that?

dola: Answer one simple question and it will put everything into perspective.

If you scanned someone who came up as cultist why would your fist move be to vote exactly how that person is.

Your information is "this person wants us to lose" so your next reaction is to do exactly what that person wants?

12 "townspeople" then. I'm sorry my math was off, but still: a 1 in 7 shot? Seems pretty wild to me. Again, if you never mentioned that you were the philosopher and hadn't just casually dismissed Schmidty as a fake revealer, I'd believe you more.

I'd like to hear from Schmidty on that too. I'm sorry I can't read his mind for you.

The question is "what would you do?"

You're assuming you know the order Schmidty did things. He'll have to explain all that and the timing of his actions.

Personally, if someone is scanned as a wolf, I'm voting for them instead of a 'gut instinct'. It wasn't until today when Telle spelled out that we should not vote for the cultist because of the villager/wolf ratio ramifications that I caught on to that angle.

if i were a sorcerer (im not , you are) and one of the wolves had 6 votes and no one else had any, then yes I would vote for a woff! gotta stay a live and all.

Your dancing around the question tells me all that I need to know. I would have begun to question my stance on you if you came out with a straight answer but you are acting like a politician trying to cover up a lie.

Huh? This makes no sense.

Oh wait, you mean if Schmidty was? If that is the case I get it. If you are inferring about me being the cultist it makes no sense.

Can someone answer that with a straight answer?


- You are the philosopher
- You scan someone who comes up as the cultist

You're immediate reaction is to vote exactly how that person is pushing for you to vote?

That's some of the worst logic I have ever seen.

I'll vote four of them if you want to split it up.

dola: sorry clap was so used to going back and forth with mccoliins on this I didn't read who I was replying to. Was attributing that post to mccollins and really couldn't figure out how that fit into what he was saying.

double dola: that last dola was in reference to my quoted replies to you. Trying to get these posts done in the middle of work so it's getting a little confusing, and difficult.

Vote count?

Under 40 minutes to deadline.. we have a tie.. and the thread is dead. Odd.

well everyone is sure of their votes... and both masons are on the same perosn.... and the wolves could swoop in and do somethign, but then we would know who they were....

im fine with all this since i think all 3 are wovles!

I obviously don't think all 3 are wolves! I'm inclined to go with Telle's thoughts, but lets see if the wolves try to save one or the other:

Vote LoneStarGirl