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Lathum 09-20-2024 11:56 AM

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The rule requires the hand count to take place the night of the November election or the next day. But dozens of election officials said that would be physically impossible in all but the smallest counties.

This is the playbook. Count and certify the rural areas so it looks like Trump is winning late into the night, then when Atlanta count comes up scream fraud and how the dems are cheating because ballots mysteriously appeared over night.

Ben E Lou 09-20-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3442967)
Yeah, the GOP is tryna get him outta there.

Or not.



albionmoonlight 09-20-2024 12:33 PM

As a Dem, I find it somewhat comforting that the GOP feels the need to start introducing maximum shenanigans this late in the game (Nebraska, Georgia). That means that their internal polling shows that they are losing. They weren't acting like this when Trump was up 5 over Biden.

As an American, I am scared b/c once you break Democracy, it is hard to fix it.

cuervo72 09-20-2024 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3443060)
This is the playbook. Count and certify the rural areas so it looks like Trump is winning late into the night, then when Atlanta count comes up scream fraud and how the dems are cheating because ballots mysteriously appeared over night.


That, or miss the deadline and try to throw it to the House.

How Republicans Could Block a Democratic Victory in Georgia – Mother Jones

Lathum 09-20-2024 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3443068)
As a Dem, I find it somewhat comforting that the GOP feels the need to start introducing maximum shenanigans this late in the game (Nebraska, Georgia). That means that their internal polling shows that they are losing. They weren't acting like this when Trump was up 5 over Biden.

As an American, I am scared b/c once you break Democracy, it is hard to fix it.


Yeah. I can only assume their internal polling in the blue wall is really bad and Nebraska is a Hail Mary.

I’m really trying to be cautious but the more I think about it I think Harris could win in a landslide.

Brian Swartz 09-20-2024 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight
As an American, I am scared b/c once you break Democracy, it is hard to fix it.


As an American, I'm scared because I don't believe Democracy works and because ours has been becoming more and more broken for decades, arguably generations. All of the deplorable election shenanigans could go away tomorrow and it wouldn't do any more than buy us a little more time.

Atocep 09-20-2024 06:43 PM

This is fantastic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...m-walz-satire/

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CNN and ProPublica found that Democratic vice-presidential nominee Tim Walz is the owner of an active account on the website HotOrNotDish.net, where he posts under the anonymous username DarthTater, according to an investigative analysis of comments on the forum. The user DarthTater has for more than a decade offered compliments (sometimes accompanied by a flame emoji) under every single photo uploaded to the site for hot dish appreciators.

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The account also mentioned the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in one post, in which it wished other HotOrNotDish.net users a “happy MLK weekend!” and hoped they would get to “spend it with family, eating hot dish.”

Walz appears to have been active under the same username for years on a variety of HotOrNotDish.net’s subforums for other hot dish-related issues, including once posting 24 times in a thread dedicated to the question of “Is hot dish casserole?” DarthTater ultimately concluded, “Sorry, friends. I’ve got to hit the hay. A lot of good points. Food for thought (almost as delicious as hot dish).”

Posts going back years include statements such as “That hot dish looks delicious” and “My only note? Try it with Schell’s beer. But what you have going looks good too!” and “Hope you’re enjoying that delicious dish with your beautiful family! Cherish your family! I know I cherish mine!”

DarthTater also expressed some viewpoints that matched with Walz’s public persona. In one instance, the user wrote, “National Coming Out Day is around the corner and I need to be on my A-game with snacks (I’m a GSA club sponsor). Any suggestions, hot dish friends?” adding, “Goes without saying, but, just in case, I disapprove of slavery.”

DarthTater was also the name Walz appears to have used on Quora, where that user often posted detailed replies to queries about the best snow tires to purchase.

Walz admitted that the account might be his, adding that he hoped he had not said anything that would offend anyone. “Those hot dishes all looked delicious,” he noted. “I wouldn’t want anyone to think that their hot dish didn’t pass muster.”

Another HotOrNotDish.net user, MarkRobinsonIsMyLegalNameAndThisIsMyRealEmailPleaseAskMeAboutNazismIAmForIt, complained about DarthTater’s posts being dragged into the news. “Why is it fair to bring in the things that people post anonymously on forums in their spare time?” the mystery poster asked. “Especially if, frankly, they’re not all that surprising.” (On the record, the legally named Mark Robinson denied engaging in any such behavior.)

MarkRobinsonIsMyLegalName was a less active HotOrNotDish.net poster, having left only one comment, “some folks need killing,” under a picture of a hot dish that had used cream of mushroom soup as its base.

Ghost Econ 09-20-2024 07:32 PM

Can't wait until the find Cam Edwards FOFC account one day.

Ksyrup 09-21-2024 08:24 AM

That's a name i haven't heard in years. I assume he's still doing the 2A stuff? I'd be afraid to see how radicalized he would have been forced to get to stay afloat as a podcast/online show host amongst the cesspool of awfulness that he'd be competing with for clicks.

GrantDawg 09-21-2024 08:48 AM

Someone on twitter asked this question, and you know I enjoy gaming out a good thought exercise. "If Brian Kemp were the nominee for president and won, would he do anything different policy wise than trump?"
I do not like Brian Kemp, and disagree with him on many things, but the only thing I can think of that he would be worst then Trump on is that he would definitely sign a national abortion ban. Other than that, he plays on the social warfare angles but less extreme than the full MAGA people. He is more classic style voter suppression than full on disenfranchisement of Trump. He is basically MAGA-lite. Closer akin to classic conservatives than full fascist like Desantis. When we talk about what comes after Trump, I think Kemp is trying to lead that replacement. Enough MAGA to keep the extreme on board without going so far you make the suburban moms to throw up in their mouths.

JonInMiddleGA 09-21-2024 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3443090)
Someone on twitter asked this question, and you know I enjoy gaming out a good thought exercise. "If Brian Kemp were the nominee for president and won, would he do anything different policy wise than trump?"


Kemp would do whatever his wife tells him to.

That dimwitted sack of shit being in office is the #2 motivation for me moving out of Georgia.

GrantDawg 09-21-2024 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3443091)
Kemp would do whatever his wife tells him to.

That dimwitted sack of shit being in office is the #2 motivation for me moving out of Georgia.

I meant to mention, I know there are people like Jon that hates him.


Edit: Just to add that is why I think he might be successful Post-Trump. There are hard core MAGA people in the state that hate him, but he still pulled more than enough of the MAGA demo to win reelection quite handily. He will most likely become Senator in 2 years over Jon Ossoff, and that is really depressing. Ossoff has been a great Senator, and has been very successful at getting many bi-partisan reforms done as a freshman.

Ksyrup 09-21-2024 10:15 AM

Bipartisan is the new racist in terms of electability, it seems.

Atocep 09-21-2024 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3443094)
Bipartisan is the new racist in terms of electability, it seems.


We can thank Supreme Court approved gerrymandering. The number of actual competitive districts anywhere is so small there's no need for moderation at any level of elected government now.

Passacaglia 09-21-2024 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3443093)
He will most likely become Senator in 2 years over Jon Ossoff


Why, will he be Secretary of State again when he's running?

GrantDawg 09-21-2024 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3443096)
Why, will he be Secretary of State again when he's running?

He wasn't the last time he won a state election.

GrantDawg 09-21-2024 11:29 AM

Harris has accepted a proposed CNN debate on October 23rd. It is unlikely Trump will accept, but also that is so late.

NobodyHere 09-21-2024 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3443098)
Harris has excepted a proposed CNN debate on October 23rd. It is unlikely Trump will accept, but also that is so late.


But will Harris accept the proposed CNN debate?

JPhillips 09-21-2024 01:40 PM

My Pillow guy goes full Nazi.


Atocep 09-21-2024 01:46 PM

It's too obvious for the people that look for hidden codes in everything.

JPhillips 09-21-2024 06:02 PM

Please don't be dumb enough to buy $30 dollars of silver from Trump for $100.

Drake 09-21-2024 07:47 PM

I just got an e-mail from Rural King about the Trump AR-15 that's easily twice the cost of a similar tier AR-15, so $100 for $30 worth of silver wouldn't surprise me.

On the other hand, 30 pieces of silver seems like the right price to betray your country.

stevew 09-21-2024 08:17 PM

A My Pillow for the cost of 14 Heil Hitler Dollars sounds like a good price. I’m sure they only come in white

JPhillips 09-22-2024 07:33 AM

Amazing to me that a nut like RFK Jr is so close to having some real power.

Quote:

"We're going to get the fluoride out of the water. We're going to get the chemicals out of the food. We're going to get the chemtrails out, the chemicals out of the chemtrails."

Lathum 09-22-2024 09:25 AM

How exactly are they going to have less regulations on corporations and at the same time force companies to use less chemicals?

albionmoonlight 09-22-2024 09:55 AM

I saw a common sense point this morning that I had not actually considered. Candidates need to grab low information and undecided voters. So they should not campaign on policy. Because, by definition, voters who care about policy are not low information and not undecided. They’ve already picked the party whose policies they agree with. Campaign on vibes. Govern on policy.

Ben E Lou 09-22-2024 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3443150)
Campaign on vibes.

That was a takeaway I had from the story about your neighbor who wanted an Obama/Palin ticket.


albionmoonlight 09-22-2024 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3443151)
That was a takeaway I had from the story about your neighbor who wanted an Obama/Palin ticket.



:)

GrantDawg 09-22-2024 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3443150)
I saw a common sense point this morning that I had not actually considered. Candidates need to grab low information and undecided voters. So they should not campaign on policy. Because, by definition, voters who care about policy are not low information and not undecided. They’ve already picked the party whose policies they agree with. Campaign on vibes. Govern on policy.

I heard the same thing from several pundits. As much as people consider undecided voters the "persuadable" voter, in reality they generally have leans and are going to break pretty predictably. The real wild cards are the low information voter who are just anti-politics, but will still vote in Presidential years. They will tend to break basically on just what you said, vibes.

Ksyrup 09-22-2024 03:21 PM

Which argues for a shortened Presidential campaign season as it's hard to ride vibes only for 18+ months. Harris certainly has an advantage from that perspective.

Ben E Lou 09-22-2024 06:19 PM

Welp. MAGA may not believe the Robinson story, but apparently Robinson's entire senior campaign staff and nearly all of the lower-level staffers do.






Ghost Econ 09-22-2024 06:19 PM

I was driving through the back roads of North Carolina (think whatever is between TN and Asheville) and I saw a home with Trump and Stein signs outside.

What the hell is the cross section between Donald Trump and Josh Stein supporters? Is it just that they're so racist that they can't support the black guy who hates black people?

flere-imsaho 09-22-2024 07:10 PM

Maybe one spouse is the Trump supporter and the other is the Stein supporter?

Ksyrup 09-23-2024 08:05 AM

This is one of the saddest things I've ever seen. Even worse that a 4 year old would actually want this which means he's been indoctrinated well at such an early age - and you have to assume it was "suggested" by the parents.

But no, it's not a cult - totally normal for a 4 year old to have a political candidate-themed birthday party and to make the party more about your cult leader than your child. Sheesh.


Ben E Lou 09-23-2024 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3442417)
Are we sure that it isn't RFK Jr running around eating our pets? That sounds like it could be a true RFK Jr story.


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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3443181)
Welp. MAGA may not believe the Robinson story, but apparently Robinson's entire senior campaign staff and nearly all of the lower-level staffers do.









Robinson has a new campaign manager...or maybe he doesn't? :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:









My favorite headline so far: ‘Black Nazi’ Mark Robinson Denies Hiring MAGA Troll Fraudster as Campaign Manager






Atocep 09-23-2024 11:48 AM

The Trump campaign is sending targeted ads out to Georgia voters using shutterstock pics from the country Georgia.

JPhillips 09-23-2024 12:15 PM

I don't know where the number stands, but I'm 100% sure that the 10 point swing in AZ shown by NYT over the past month isn't true. There isn't any state that's swung ten points to either candidate over the past month.

Ksyrup 09-23-2024 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3443232)
The Trump campaign is sending targeted ads out to Georgia voters using shutterstock pics from the country Georgia.


I swear that's not the first time the GOP has done this.

Lathum 09-23-2024 02:04 PM

Percentage of Trump voters that even know there is a country named Georgia? 5, maybe 10%?

GrantDawg 09-23-2024 02:28 PM

"I did not post those comments, but whatever you do, don't look in to it!"

albionmoonlight 09-23-2024 04:38 PM

You know, if* Trump loses, a lot of it will be because he ended Roe

And there's an irony in Trump losing because of abortion. Because can you think of a GOP politician who would care less about abortion than Trump? I assume that his personal belief falls somewhere between not caring at all and vaguely thinking that it is nice if your mistress can conveniently get an abortion.

I mean, if Mike Pence or Mike Hucakabee lost an election because they helped ban abortion, there would be a bit of nobility in that. They wouldn't like losing, but they could be proud that they lost for doing the politically unpopular but morally right thing.

But Trump? To lose on something that he didn't care about? Or that he even did not agree with? Funny in its way.

*[Of course, he could still win.]

HerRealName 09-23-2024 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3443233)
I don't know where the number stands, but I'm 100% sure that the 10 point swing in AZ shown by NYT over the past month isn't true. There isn't any state that's swung ten points to either candidate over the past month.


Have you seen any analysis on why the NYT/Sienna polls seem like such an outlier this election cycle? They seem to be further out there than Rasmussen at this point.

Ksyrup 09-23-2024 06:02 PM

Bulwark touched on it today, and I was feeling the same over the weekend as I was pushed articles from a bunch of different sites alternately telling me that Trump was winning the swing states, closing in nationally, and losing ground while Harris had lost momentum, was winning in swing states, and expanding her lead nationally.

It's information overload to the nth degree. It's all useless at this kind of contradictory saturation point.

JonInMiddleGA 09-23-2024 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3443161)
Which argues for a shortened Presidential campaign season as it's hard to ride vibes only for 18+ months. Harris certainly has an advantage from that perspective.


Being a double-digit IQ socialist is a "vibe"?

Who knew.

sovereignstar v2 09-23-2024 07:07 PM

oh burn

Brian Swartz 09-23-2024 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KSyrup
It's information overload to the nth degree. It's all useless at this kind of contradictory saturation point.


Ehh, this I don't buy.

I think Harris is still ahead a little, but it's tightening as one would expect. I also think it's possible I'm completely wrong, most likely reason would be polls being off in one way or another (most likely being overestimating Trump's support a bit). I think either candidate could still win by a decent margin, or it could be very close, but if I had to bet I'd bet on Harris, even dispensing with my personal feelings.

But this is kind of what pseudoscience does; throws enough stuff at the wall so you don't know what to believe. Polling isn't much different; there's a lot of bad information in the mix, but if you filter that out there's always good information to be found that's a lot more likely to be accurate.

JPhillips 09-23-2024 07:42 PM

Trump has a plan to pay off the debt, he'll just sign a paper that says crypto pays all 35 trillion.

But Harris needs to flesh out her plans.

Atocep 09-23-2024 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3443266)
Trump has a plan to pay off the debt, he'll just sign a paper that says crypto pays all 35 trillion.

But Harris needs to flesh out her plans.


He also doesn't have a plan to deport millions but he said it would be a lot easier to do if the media didn't cover it.

HerRealName 09-23-2024 07:54 PM

I've been using this as an aggregator site for polling but maybe there is a better one available. Even Rasmussen has Harris +2 so the NYT polling is strange.

National : President: general election : 2024 Polls | FiveThirtyEight

cuervo72 09-23-2024 07:56 PM

If he weren’t backed by types like Miller, I could see his plan being to say that he is going to do it, not do anything, then say he did it and have everyone believe him because their lives aren’t affected by immigrants one bit (like the guy in PA interviewed at a rally the other day who admitted that no, they’re not hurting him personally).

Lathum 09-23-2024 08:11 PM

Trump went after John Deer tonight at, of all places, a town hall with farmers, saying he would put a 200% tariff on their products made outside the US.

Fidatelo 09-24-2024 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3443282)
Trump went after John Deer tonight at, of all places, a town hall with farmers, saying he would put a 200% tariff on their products made outside the US.



Do farmers like John Deere? I know they _need_ John Deere, but from what I understand the company has been actively antagonizing their customers in recent years with technology that makes it impossible to repair their own gear. Throw in a good rant about producing stuff in the good ol' U S of A and it seems like a plausible enough idea (not saying it went well, just it doesn't sound outlandish from a high level concept).

GrantDawg 09-24-2024 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 3443300)
Do farmers like John Deere? I know they _need_ John Deere, but from what I understand the company has been actively antagonizing their customers in recent years with technology that makes it impossible to repair their own gear. Throw in a good rant about producing stuff in the good ol' U S of A and it seems like a plausible enough idea (not saying it went well, just it doesn't sound outlandish from a high level concept).

There are still farmers that use the brand as a part of their personality, but the company has definitely taken a hit in reputation recently. I imagine them moving manufacturing to Mexico will erode the brand further. I think most farmers will like this idea.

cuervo72 09-24-2024 07:21 AM

They're gonna get subsidies to pay for the stuff anyway, right?

albionmoonlight 09-24-2024 08:20 AM

People don't understand tariffs.

If Trump says he'll punish John Deere for moving jobs to Mexico with a 200% tariff, that's horrible policy (and I think illegal under NAFTA), but it's, IMO, smart limbic stem politics.

Ben E Lou 09-24-2024 08:57 AM

Random thing I just realized: Ryan Routh (class of '84) and Mark Robinson (based on his bday, likely either '86 or '87) were at Grimsley High School together for at least a year.
#DoBetterGenX

Thomkal 09-24-2024 09:03 AM

Better start going through the Yearbooks now Ben to get a heads up on the next one. :)

JPhillips 09-24-2024 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3443312)
Random thing I just realized: Ryan Routh (class of '84) and Mark Robinson (based on his bday, likely either '86 or '87) were at Grimsley High School together for at least a year.
#DoBetterGenX


The lead poisoning really messed us up.

Radii 09-24-2024 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3443253)
socialist


You're smarter than this, Jon. No way in hell do you really think Kamala Harris is a socialist.

Atocep 09-24-2024 10:44 AM

Has anyone else seen the upcoming documentary footage of Trump speaking to Lev Parnas and deciding right there to remove the Ukraine ambassador because Parnas made some shit?

I can't imagine how badly Putin and others were able to play him in private meetings.

Atocep 09-24-2024 11:46 AM

We also have Bernie Moreno telling people at a campaign stop that abortion shouldn't be an issue for women over 50.

Swaggs 09-24-2024 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 3443300)
Do farmers like John Deere? I know they _need_ John Deere, but from what I understand the company has been actively antagonizing their customers in recent years with technology that makes it impossible to repair their own gear. Throw in a good rant about producing stuff in the good ol' U S of A and it seems like a plausible enough idea (not saying it went well, just it doesn't sound outlandish from a high level concept).


I think all of this is true, but there is an identity to the company that is similar to what you have in other parts of the country with owning non-American-made vehicles. Like "oh, it's nice you got a truck - too bad it isn't an F150." I think the identity is that having a John Deere tractor means something and you still see a lot of people wearing the ball caps and t-shirts. Plus, the Venn diagram of people that vote for Trump and people that are into a status item made by John Deere is a big overlap, whereas the people that fit into those two categories AND understand foreign manufacturing and the nuances of what it means is not going to be a real high portion.

stevew 09-24-2024 01:56 PM

“No tax on tips or social security” is another blatant lie. How does he expect to pay for that. It’s not an edict, it has to be in legislation. But I’m sure it moves the needle for a few low information people.

Atocep 09-24-2024 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3443340)
“No tax on tips or social security” is another blatant lie. How does he expect to pay for that. It’s not an edict, it has to be in legislation. But I’m sure it moves the needle for a few low information people.


Project 2025 purposes getting rid of mandatory overtime pay. Instead, companies would have the option of converting OT to PTO/Comp time.

GrantDawg 09-24-2024 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3443340)
“No tax on tips or social security” is another blatant lie. How does he expect to pay for that. It’s not an edict, it has to be in legislation. But I’m sure it moves the needle for a few low information people.

There is so much he is promising that has zero chance of actually happening, and he is not done. He is going to continue to make as many wild promises as he needs to so that he can keep the press' attention and hopefully hit on something that low information voters really likes. His semi-protectionism is one of the things that endeared him to the white working class in the first place, so he can keep making more and more protectionism promises along with as many free giveaways a he can think of because he knows he will have zero accountability on actually doing any of it. It honestly isn't his worst campaign strategy.

GrantDawg 09-24-2024 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3443342)
Project 2025 purposes getting rid of mandatory overtime pay. Instead, companies would have the option of converting OT to PTO/Comp time.

This isn't "Project 2025" Trump. This is "Santa Claus" Trump. "Santa Claus" Trump is what he hopes will get him the win, so he can go back to golfing without worrying about going to jail while his cronies govern by Project 2025.

Lathum 09-24-2024 02:44 PM

So already in Ohio civilians have the right to file criminal charges and a Haitian organization in Springfield just did that against Trump and Vance. The charges actually look legit.

PilotMan 09-24-2024 02:51 PM

Trump creating loopholes in the tax code sort of goes against the big push to simplify the tax code and close looholes the Rs were so on about in trump's first term.

GrantDawg 09-24-2024 07:50 PM

The DNI briefed Trump tonight that they are tracking credible threats from Iran to try to assassinate him.

Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

NobodyHere 09-24-2024 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3443366)
The DNI briefed Trump tonight that they are tracking credible threats from Iran to try to assinate him.

Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk


I think Trump has already been assinated.

stevew 09-25-2024 12:29 AM

No taxes, paid for private schools, govt covered IVF among other things i cant even remember. He may as well promise free insulin and free Ozempic. Throw in shit like free after hours vet care and Wal Mart staying open 24 hours again. Bring back the McRib as a permanent item. Unlimited off-road diesel. Tax free ammunition. Doubling military pay. Training more traffic cops, but only ones who pull over “poor drivers”. Mandating tour Uber driver speaks English. No more overseas phone support. Etc etc.

GrantDawg 09-25-2024 06:18 AM

Kamala Harris is doing a sit down interview with Stephanie Ruhle tonight on MSNBC. I wonder if this is the first or will it be the only?

JPhillips 09-25-2024 05:43 PM

Reading some speculation that pollsters are in one of two camps for a likely voter model. One has Harris up 4 points or so and one has the race tied.

HerRealName 09-25-2024 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3443446)
Reading some speculation that pollsters are in one of two camps for a likely voter model. One has Harris up 4 points or so and one has the race tied.


I did some googling the other day and saw someplace that the NYT/Sienna poll has worked in an assumption of under 30 voters at a low rate compared to other polls and previous elections. That could explain why their polls are so different this cycle. I thought that was interesting.

JPhillips 09-25-2024 09:10 PM

Nothing public yet, but it's being reported that NYC mayor Adams has been indicted by the feds.

Ksyrup 09-26-2024 08:32 AM

I read an interesting fact which makes sense as i think about the history of our presidential elections, I guess, that a Democrat has not been elected to replace a Democrat since 1856, and on the Republicansl side, it's only happened in 1988 and 1924.

I like the fact that we've swung from one side to the other pretty consistently for a couple centuries as a collective electoral checks and balances thing, but that feels particularly dangerous when one party has decided to move in a much more extreme direction than the other. Complacency and 'things will be just fine as they have for decades and decades" is all well and good, and has borne itself out for the most part, until it ceases to be true. Because by then, it will be too late.

It also means of course that whether or not Trump wins, the GOP will likely be in the oval office in 2028 or 2032 regardless of what happens.

JPhillips 09-26-2024 08:41 AM

Amazing how MAGA is firmly in the pro-Adams camp now that he's been indicted.

Lathum 09-26-2024 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3443489)

It also means of course that whether or not Trump wins, the GOP will likely be in the oval office in 2028 or 2032 regardless of what happens.


Maybe it is just wishful thinking but I think the post Trump GOP has real issues.

No one is going to capture the MAGA crowd the way Trump has. We saw Desantis flame out, if Trump/Vance lose I suspect Trump blames it on JD and torpedoes his career, Haley won't drive the MAGA voters, and then you are left with a bunch of unserious people like Vivek, Don Jr., etc...

Meanwhile Harris would have the benefit of being incumbent and the dems have a strong bench with guys like Shapiro, etc...

Now obviously there are a number of factors we don't know will exist, but all things being equal Trump has ran out the old guard and made the rest of the party all about devotion to one man.

Thomkal 09-26-2024 10:14 AM

Rudy Guillani has now been disbarred in DC too:


x.com

JPhillips 09-26-2024 11:50 AM

ping: Lawyers.

Is this a good strategy when dealing with the feds?

Quote:

"The Adams Staffer also agreed to speak with FBI agents and falsely denied the criminal conduct of herself and ADAMS, among others. At one point during her voluntary interview, the Adams Staffer excused herselfto a bathroom and, while there, deleted the encrypted messaging applications she had used to communicate with ADAMS , the Promoter, the Turkish Official, the Airline Manager, and others."

Thomkal 09-26-2024 12:29 PM

Not a lawyer, but gonna guess that's a no. :)

bronconick 09-26-2024 12:29 PM

Worked for the Secret Service

Edward64 09-26-2024 12:38 PM

One of the key lessons learn from watching all those YT videos with cops & perps, never talk to the cops if you're guilty. Call your lawyer from jail and start there.

I'm amazed at perps talking even after Miranda is given.

albionmoonlight 09-26-2024 12:47 PM

Never talk to the cops, even if you think you are innocent.

I've had clients confess to crimes because they didn't realize what they did was a crime and they thought they were exonerating themselves.

GrantDawg 09-26-2024 01:34 PM

You need a lawyer just as much if innocent as you do if you are guilty.

JPhillips 09-26-2024 04:10 PM

So the FBI asked Adams for his password. Adams said he'd love to help. The thing is, he changed the password because he didn't want his staff to accidentally destroy evidence but wouldn't ya know, he for got the new password and couldn't help the FBI.

Passacaglia 09-26-2024 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3443507)
Worked for the Secret Service


And Urban Meyer

Thomkal 09-26-2024 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3443525)
So the FBI asked Adams for his password. Adams said he'd love to help. The thing is, he changed the password because he didn't want his staff to accidentally destroy evidence but wouldn't ya know, he for got the new password and couldn't help the FBI.



wow

Ksyrup 09-26-2024 06:03 PM

This quote is almost exactly a year old, and maybe it was posted here or I saw it last year and forgot it, but holy crap this is one hell of a funny quote:

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“We always get the blame,” said Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), a senior appropriator. “Name one time that we’ve shut the government down and we haven’t got the blame.”

Edward64 09-26-2024 06:12 PM

I know some will take exception to what NC has done but I'm okay with the idea. It's not unusual in my line of work to do data cleanup/archival, it's actually a "best practice".

The article doesn't get into it but the issue I see is (1) how will people know if they've been rolled off or how easy is it to doublecheck (2) is it the same process to re-register as the orig ... assume it is (3) how long will it take to resolve any issues/discrepancies.

Ideally, this would have been done 3 months ago. Forty days is tight. Dems just need to tell everyone to check their status ... now.

Access to this page has been denied
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North Carolina’s State Board of Elections has removed 747,000 people from its list of registered voters within the last 20 months, officials announced Thursday in a press release.

The State Board of Elections in the release said the majority of those stripped from the rolls were deemed ineligible to be registered because they had moved within the state and did not register their new address, or because they did not participate in the past two federal elections, prompting an inactive status.

Other reasons for removal included death, felony convictions, out-of-state moves and personal requests for removal, the board said.

North Carolina is one of seven swing states likely to decide the presidential election between Vice President Harris and former President Trump.


I would be interested in the split between registered Dems vs Rep vs Independant, that would be an interesting stat.

thesloppy 09-26-2024 06:25 PM


Ksyrup 09-26-2024 06:44 PM

This part is an interesting explanation in relatable terms.

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According to Last's analysis, this means that "almost half the people who like Donald Trump don’t like JD Vance."

Last explained this phenomena by likening Vance to a notorious pro-wrestler named Sean "X-Pac" Waltman who drew a specific type of response (or heat) from the audience.

While all wrestlers seek to elicit heat — be it cheers for the "faces" or boos for the "heels" — another kind of reaction is less desirable, and it's called "X-Pac heat."

"This is when the audience boos and insults the wrestler not just because they are a heel and they hate the gimmick," explains The Sportster. "They boo because they hate the wrestler unrelated to the character or gimmick they are portraying."

It's also reportedly called "Go Away Heat," and was expressed by a pro-wrestling fan's sign that read, "Sir! I feel compelled to stress that we are not booing because of your effective heel work, we are booing because you are simply awful."

thesloppy 09-26-2024 10:03 PM

That is the best X-Pac based political analysis that I've ever read.

Ryche 09-27-2024 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3443546)
I know some will take exception to what NC has done but I'm okay with the idea. It's not unusual in my line of work to do data cleanup/archival, it's actually a "best practice".

The article doesn't get into it but the issue I see is (1) how will people know if they've been rolled off or how easy is it to doublecheck (2) is it the same process to re-register as the orig ... assume it is (3) how long will it take to resolve any issues/discrepancies.

Ideally, this would have been done 3 months ago. Forty days is tight. Dems just need to tell everyone to check their status ... now.

Access to this page has been denied



I would be interested in the split between registered Dems vs Rep vs Independant, that would be an interesting stat.


Yeah, this is normal cleanup of voters who died, moved, haven't voted in a couple of election cycles. Every state does it. If they were doing it right now it would be an issue but over the past 20 months is not a problem.

Edward64 09-27-2024 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryche (Post 3443624)
Yeah, this is normal cleanup of voters who died, moved, haven't voted in a couple of election cycles. Every state does it. If they were doing it right now it would be an issue but over the past 20 months is not a problem.


Oh, that’s good. So plenty of communication, widely publicized and people know how to check?

NobodyHere 09-27-2024 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3443626)
Oh, that’s good. So plenty of communication, widely publicized and people know how to check?


I know in Ohio it takes 15 seconds for you to look up if you are registered to vote.

albionmoonlight 09-27-2024 12:01 PM

I, as an NC voter, just set a stopwatch and looked up my registration status.

27 seconds.

albionmoonlight 09-27-2024 12:02 PM

The headline made it sound like this just dropped. But the article notes that it has been over the course of 20 months.

No one (Dem or GOP) wants ineligible people voting. Keeping the rolls updated is good.

Ben E Lou 09-27-2024 12:25 PM

FWIW, I just checked my SC registration. Pretty sure it took less than a minute, probably around 30 seconds like albion. We moved to NC in 2014. Last time I checked out of curiosity--either 2020 or 2022, likely the former--I was still on the roll there, so at least six years. I'm finally off of it now.

Lathum 09-27-2024 12:28 PM

Just checked in Jersey, took about 4 seconds.

Not that Jersey matters unless you listen to right wing X trolls who think Trump should be winning all 50 states.


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