You're conveniently "revealing" yourself quickly after I reveal that he is the cultist. He gives no backing at all to his fake claim (voting, etc.), and gives a desperate last ditch effort to save his skin, or more likely, get the Brutal Wolf lynched.

Regardless, anyone who knows me, realizes that I am telling the truth. If I were a Wolf, why in the blue hell would I stop being undercover, just to reveal the powerless (after reveal) Philosipher?

I'm not going to beg for my life or be sneaky. Believe me or don't. I can't do anything other than what I've done.

Reasoning behind it it simple. I obviously have no problem with going after mccollins. As for Danny, Telle is in my CoT so I trust her read on that. PF has been pinging my wolf radar a lot lately so I have no problem there, he was the next one I was voting for. Now you with your fake reveal puts you on the list.

It's pretty easy logic to follow but as either the cultist or a wolf you obviously want to try to twist things around.

True. I misread the rules. Not surprising considering the fact that I'm quite lazy, and miss lots of details.

I'm done. Lynch me or don't. I still won't vote for you because you are powerless. I know you are the Cultist, and I know that you are willing sacrifice one of your own, regardless of role to secure the Wolves victory even further.

Why wouldn't I reveal at this point? You make a false claim and people begin to belive it. My role is pretty useless so why not reveal. If the wolves kill me tomorrow night it will be obvious what is happening so there is no risk in my revealing that this point.

As for why would you reveal? It's obvious as I pointed out in my earlier post. You get the vote off mccollins to a villager and then it's pretty much game over as the wolves can coast to victory. The wolves have not had to make any moves yet this game so of course this would be the first big one.

So why aren't you pushing for me, a supposed Wolf, instead of mccollins, who you CANNOT confirm. If you KNOW that I'm a wolf, why take the risk? Logic will prevail.

The defense rests. He's either furry or the cultist. I'll let you know which if I survive tomorrow night. Either way we need to land a wolf tomorrow.

Logic will prevail. If you are the cultist you want us to push for you. I never said that I know you are a wolf. You are either a wolf or the cultist. One of those hurts us to lynch. mccollins has proven wolfish and your fake reveal makes me certain of his status.

WAIT a fricking minute. It doesn't say that you know the Wolves roles, but it also doesn't say that you DON'T know the Wolves roles.

Meh. You're the Cultist. I don't know what else to say. The Villagers can kill me, and lose yet another one of their kind, or they can look at logic, and look at your desperation, and realize I'm telling the truth.

Anyway. I'm done. It's my birthday, and want to eat my ribeye.

I'm telling the truth. Believe me or don't

I'm not sure what to think, but Happy birthday Schmidy

That's my point. It doesn't say the cultists know roles yet you keep saying they do. The only way you could know that is if your PM told you the roles.

Desperate ploy? Of the two groups right now; villagers or wolfs plus cultist; who needs a desperate ploy right now? By you accusing me of one it is obvious that you know which side I am on and it's the only side in need of a desperate ploy right now.

You are clearly trying to tell the wolves that you are the cultist by offering yourself up as a target to be killed.

Oh, happy birthday Schmidty!!!

As of post 2163:

5McCollins: Claphamsa (2098), RendeR (2108), Danny (2111), EagleFan (2113), LoneStarGirl (2151)
1 Danny: Telle (2118)

4 Nightfall: Claphamsa (2098), Render (2108), Danny (2111), EagleFan (2113)

VOTE MCCOLLINS
VOTE NIGHTFALL

Our luck has got to be changing.

The rules mention nothing of conversions.


You're really grasping at straws EagleFan.


I guess by this point you realized that you had forgotten to fake counter-reveal.

+1

Exactly - he's using mis-informing assumptions to get the vote off of him because you scanned him as a wolf.

lol, already explained. Just accept your lynching wolf!!!

Dude, get your facts straight. No wolf logic twisting here. He claimed to scan me as a cultist, not a wolf. You should know I'm not a wolf as I'm not in your list of PM's.

I am liking this game. It's much like my first game ever where we got off to a lousy start and once I figured out who were some of the wolves I was able to have a little fun with them before the lynch.

Unfortunately st.cronin talked me into not voting for him in the fial day and we ended up losing... :(

More lies. You accept the fact that you are our first scanned wolf.
The cultist is plainly listed as a wolf role. Or can you not accept the fact that you have fur?

Again I say, the village needs to keep me around until the end.

EagleFan pushed the village to lynch Olie - don't let him kill another villager!

You keep talking about how a villager will die if you are lynched. Are you admitting that you are the brutal?

We'll see when your fur shows up at the lynching.

Right now it's time to take a look at who the next wolf is. I am not liking PF's late vote switch that helped seal Pass' fate. I obviously don't like Schmidty's fake reveal but we'll know tomorrow if he is cultist or wolf. Unfortunately from there I am not completely sure. Telle suspects Danny and is in my CoT so that is worth looking into. clap may be worth looking into as well, why would the wolves let him stay around his long?

Hell, only Telle is in my CoT at this point with alan t out of the picture now so it's going to take some research and luck.

You keep magically twisting my words. Allowing you to push through the lynch of a second villager (first oliegirl, now me) is what I'm forewarning the rest of the village about.

I find it quite odd that after Schmidty revealed as the Philosopher that you magically had the same role of Philosopher. With 12 people remaining in the village.

One more thng. Explain post 2120 where Schmidty votes mccollins and nightfall. Then turns around and comes up with his fake reveal.

If he scanned me as the cultist then why would he make that vote?

mccollins is a wolf, PF may be a wolf, Schmidty is either a wolf or the cultist.

I think we are finally catching a break.


What makes the most sense is that mccollins may be the cunning and Schmidty is trying a ploy to save him (either as a wolf or as a cultist whom only Schmidty has hinted that the cultist knows the wolves' roles).

Don't let mccollins and his furry friends shut us out. Make the right vote!!!

Right now, I am not inclined to be humored because this got a villager killed. But on one significant level, this is pure, pathetic comedy.

(And only raised even higher knowing Alan is a villager).

This can't be true. cronin's a wolf. :banghead:

This surprises me--not. This is the sort of thing I have been seeing for a couple days now. Of course, killing the cultist does us no real good. It just means we have someone to ignore. That's assuming Schmidty is telling the truth--far from a safe assumption, although at this point in the thread, I am inclined to believe him.

I would be curious to see you expand on this (and forgive me if you already did in the past). I haven't really felt too strongly about my reads on him, so if you have a good take, I would like to hear it.

I still don't understand why mccollins is a target. I believe a case has been asked for several times, but no one voting for him will come up with one.

:shrugs:

I may be wrong, but we have been 100% wrong on every "gut" feel so far this game. In my mind, Telle is the only cleared player left. And she's voting Danny.

Good enough for me.

VOTE DANNY

Telle:

I went ahead and voted, since I have to check out for the night, but I would still be interested to hear you expand on this. At least I know it's not coming from a liar.

How exactly is she cleared?

Another misguided vote. Thankfully it shouldn't matter and Mccollins will still get the lynch.

Well, she isn't 100% cleared like Alan. But she might as well be. Render's actions make the most sense if she is a Mason. She was on the list determining oliegirl was the lynch choice two days ago. Pass, a villager, claimed she was a Mason. No one has denied this--the real Masons would counter this if she were not a Mason and reveal her (likely) as a wolf.

IMO, that's a ton of circumstantial evidence to ignore if you're going to think she is not a Mason. And if she is a Mason, she's on the side of the village. And that's cleared.

She was also scanned as good by Lathum, who may have been the real seer (guess we won't know that until the end of the game, though).

Pass. revealed last Friday that she's a mason. She's the only person we have in a real CoT.

No. If Cronin's rules are to be believed, they would be killed for doing this.

I have a feeling, and I'm not voting for the brutal wolf or the useless Cultist (no offense, so:

Vote LoneStarGirl

Vote LoneStarGirl

bold it :)

any reasons why?

vote nightfall

If you look at the people that voted for Lathum on Day 1, there are only three that are not now dead villagers. Myself, RendeR, and Danny. I simply cannot believe that there was not one wolf in on that vote. At this point most people trust me, and by corollary trust RendeR. So that leaves Danny.

Also his play is kind of pinging me. He's not contributing much, but has a tidy explanation with each vote. It just really reminds me of what I end up doing when I'm a wolf.

Just to clear up something EagleFan was trying to muddy the waters with.

And just so we're clear on the cultist..

Just a gut feeling, and the fact that you kind of did a pile-on vote of mccollins. If my theory of him being the brutal wolf is true, the vote makes sense. And you didn't post a reason in your vote post either.

I might be wrong, but a vote for you is likely better than a vote for mccollins.

Saying someone is NOT a Mason is quite a bit different than saying you are one.

My vote for Pass yesterday was the 2nd vote for him (and was actually made on Monday afternoon) I never switched and stayed on Pass.

Yes, but I interpreted you to mean a full counter: "That person can't be a mason because I'm a mason!"

Anyways, Telle all but officially outed RendeR just now. It was just an assumption up to this point.

UNVOTE MCCOLLINS
UNVOTE NIGHTFALL


VOTE DANNY

I think Telle is on to something.

Vote EagleFan

Vote count please.