We are at 8 - 5 now.

7-5 or 8-4 depending on where you count the cultist. I'm glad I got into the new game because this one sucks.

We can't let them shut us out...I think we have been close but going off on too many tangents (and then crazy-ass deadline vote changes too)

Must have miscounted somewhere, I thought we only had 14 people left going into today's vote?

Ok so we go through yet another day, either way, methinks we're screwed.

Ah good point, forgot about the cultist.

I clearly cannot count.

*shuts up*

Yes; but I require a unanimous nightfall. All twelve remaining players would have to vote nightfall.

VOTE MCCOLLINS

VOTE NIGHTFALL


not that I think the rest of the wolves will join in this for an instant.

VOTE MCCOLLINS
VOTE NIGHTFALL

What exactly is the case against mccollins?

I really thought both Pass and Mccollins were bad. I'm on board with Mccollins now because we can't afford to lynch another villager.

Vote Mccollins
Vote Nightfall


That said, its obvious this was going to be the vote today. I wouldn't be surprised if the wolves were some of the first ones to make this play.

Trying to end the game for your wolf friends so you can focus on the new game?

vote mccollins

vote nightfall


We were this close to getting a wolf!!!! Then people tried to get tricky!!! We need to look at PF and some other late changes for certain!!!

Luckily, some people only get on later.
We still have time to stem this incorrect tide!
Seriously, the village really needs to keep me around til the end.

I think we need to look at you - you were unstoppable going after oliegirl!

I mis-spoke once and then I've been on the chopping block two days in a row.

UNVOTE MCCOLLINS
UNVOTE NIGHTFALL

I really want to see what happens tonight when the rest of the peeps get in.

I'm going to stick with my theory on Danny. 'Cause either there was not a single wolf jumping on the lynch-Lathum bandwagon or he's a wolf. And I think that's a lot closer to being concrete than anything we have on mccollins.

VOTE DANNY

Let me try this AGAIN:

Vote mccollins
Vote Nightfall

Since it doesn't matter now, I am the Philosopher. I scanned Eaglefan last night, and he is the Cultist.

And the cultist knows who the wolves are and EagleFan keeps pushing for a vote on mccollins so shouldn't that most likely mean that mccollins is not a good target for us?

I really do not like this vote at all! Nobody had voted Danny, pressure was on three players, Pass, Eaglefan and PF and you choose to vote for somebody else? That is extremely wolfish...

I think most people have accepted that I'm a villager. So either you're just not getting it or you're a wolf trying to cause trouble.

And as for my vote on Danny, I'm rather confident that he's a wolf and was hoping to get more people to see things my way and it was still plenty early for votes to get moved around.

Ooooh trying to turn the pages in the last couple of hours eh? Getting desperate wolfie?

Oh shit.... :mad: I really thought I had him.

I didn't say you were a wolf, i said it was wolfish, as in a bad move. I didn't want to come right out and say I thought it was a bad move though, so i said wolfish instead.

And danny very well could be a wolf, i am not denying it, but voting for him there seemed a little out of the ordinary

I really dont understand what the cultist does...

And do we not have a list of all the player and who died and what their roles are?

It's under the spoiler tag in the first post.

First page.

And I am not sure what exactly the purpose of the cultist is either. Basically a fake villager who is really a wolf sorta thing.

cool! that explains alot!

Exactly! EagleFan helped lead the charge on both Olie and me!

Seriously.

It absolutely matters!! We've finally nabbed one of the actual 5 wolves!

but i thought he counts as a villager....

And can we trust schmidty?

I would rather kill mccollins i think

The cultist counts as a villager but wins with the wolves. So we're best off keeping EagleFan around for numbers sake but ignoring him.

And so long as there is no counter-reveal I think it makes sense to go ahead and trust Schmidty.

well there are 5 wolves that hoops picked, so i guess the cultist counts as one of them


The question is, do we trust schmidty? He could be a wolf trying to confuse us (which we have learned is not that hard)

I think everybody agreed the masons are Telle and Render, but that leaves 6 more villagers... I know I am a villager and i am pretty sure GE is too. I have played a few games with him as a wolf and he generally gets more into it than he has this game.... The other four villagers I have no idea.

Seems everybody thinks EF and MC are wolves, but I think we are forgetting about CR as a very high wolf suspect.

PF I have no idea about, MRs Schmidty I thought was a potential wolf early on.



Can anybody dispute Schmidty's claim to be a philosopher?

I'll wait to place my actual vote, but for now this is the first wolf we've found on real evidence rather than just 'gut feelings' that have all been wrong so far.

What I meant by saying it doesn't matter, is that I can reveal without worry, since the wolves already know that I'm a villager, and now that I found the Cultist, I have no special ability, which removes me as a good wolf target.

Ignore Schmidty and his fake reveal. If I was the cultists wouldnlt I have been a vote on one of the parade of villagers we have been incorrectly lynching. I would have been trying to get Telle and Pass lynched. Maybe that was Schmidty's was of letting the wolves know that he is the cultist.

Either way we nail mccollins and get one set of fangs out of the way.

Everyone repeat after me...

vote mccollins and vote nightfall

We nail a furry one with that approach.

Again, the only thing on me is one dumb mis-statement.

As long as Schmidty is telling the truth then EagleFan is our first VERIFIED wolf.

dola, st.cronin said he only accepts a unanimous nightfalls and I'm not voting nightfall. We have until 3pm ET tomorrow to get this right.

Well, I'm going to say this - I know that you're the Cultist.

The fact that you are pushing to vote for mccollins means two things:

A) mccollins really isn't a wolf

or

B) He's the Brutal Wolf.

Right now I'm 50/50 on this.

In fact:

Unvote mccollins
Unvote nightfall

Personally I'm fine with mccollins, danny or PF for the next vote. Or Schmidty for that matter with his fake reveal.

It seems pretty obvious that we are onto a wolf and Schmidty is the cultist trying to gain favor with his fellow wolves by his fake reveal. He tries to take us away from a wolf to get another villager lynch and hopes he can be converted afterwards. With his fake reveal he hopes that everyone believes I was converted so you lynch me and it's game over as the wolves win at that point.


If it's 8-4 now, we'll either be up 8-3 if you go with mccollins (barring he is not the brutal) or we'll only be up 7-4 if you let yourselves get talked out of mccollins.

Schmidty gets converted to make it 6-5. If everyone believes him you assume I was converted and lynch me for a 5-5 wolf win and a shutout.

You go with mccollins and it's 8-3. If Schmidty gets converted that night it's still 7-4 and as long as you don't fall for his line of thinking that I am the cultist and therefore converted we still have a chance.

Look at my track record. I was wrong on oliegirl but so were many people as her olierage looked awfully wolfish. We are not wrong on mccollins. His recent actions look just like that of a wolf who is cornered and trying everything he can to get out of it.

vote mcollins and vote nightfall. You'll see the wolves as the only ones left who won't do it.

Slip up there? Nowhere in the rules does it say the cultist will know the roles of the wolves, it just says the cultist will know who they are. I guess you were told their roles in the PM you received at the beginning of the game.

You are really trying to set me up for this one. I guess you know mccollins is the brutal so you left this post as another attempt to frame me?

Where is the C option of mccollins is a wolf or the D option that he is the cunning?

Dude, you've been quiet all game and now are trying to frame me, that just sucks.

Either way, I'll be able to scan you tomorrow night to see if you are the cultist.

This statement is the silliest, and blatantly statement I've seen in WW. It doesn't even have any reasoning behind it.

Ask anyone that knows my style. I am quiet in the Beginning Game, pretty quiet in the Middle Game, and more vocal in the End Game. Every time. Especially if I have a role.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. You are the cultist. Lynching you would be pointless, since you can't attack, and have zero powers. There are bigger fish to fry. :)

I am more convinced than ever that mccollins is the Brutal Wolf because of Eaglefan's desperate push toward his lynching. One for one villager is very enticing to the wolves, I'm sure, especially with the numbers the way they are.

If I was the cultist how would I know if mccollins is the brutal? Read the rules, the cultist will know who they are. It says nothing about knowing their roles. You keep slipping on that one. I guess your PM telling you your cultist role also told you the roles?

You left your tell hanging out.