He had two backpacks of ceramic tile hanging from the fence. It looks like they were a makeshift shield and he was going to try to shoot from between them. Latest indications are that he never fired a shot. The Secret Service was one or two holes ahead of Trump clearing the area and spotted him. When they fired, he ran.

I won't post in here anymore. The same 5 guys can continue the Blue MAGA circlejerk. It's not a big deal. You'd think after most of you humiliated yourselves pretending Biden was of sound mind all year, you would question your political instincts. But it looks like you all memoryholed that and just pretend this is what you wanted the whole time.

Then again, most of you changed your beliefs in January 2021 and will do it again on January 2025 if Trump wins.

These fucknuts are trying to win the election for Trump. He's already got a HOF persecution complex and is the biggest whiner/complainer/professional victim in the world.. Adding multiple assassination attempts is only going to help him.

Certainly don't do anything on my account, I was just weighing in on how useless blocking is.

Assuming this is him and accurate, it appears he was a Trump supporter who soured on Trump and became Tulsi Gabbard fan. Maybe he was hoping to eliminate Trump and Gabbard steps in? Who the hell knows.

So the suspect is apparently Ryan Routh.

> He is very pro-Ukraine
> He was disavowed by Ukrainian militia
> He voted for Trump in 2016
> He was also pro-Tulsi

Why is it always their own?? pic.twitter.com/7Mw8I1sktK

— Blue Lion Politics ���� (@bluelionpolitix) September 15, 2024

His Twitter account is…wow.

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Fun fact: he’s registered to vote right here in Greensboro!

Those are some crazy eyes, man.

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Arrested here in 2002…and had a fully automatic weapon on him: MAN WITH GUN BARRICADES SELF INSIDE BUSINESS

He’ll be painted by the right as having TDS, as there are some really strong anti-Trump tweets, but it seems clear that dude was pretty deranged long before Trump would have become the focus of said derangement.

It appears that he had moved to Hawaii, and he may have gone to Ukraine recently, but it’s still a bit unsettling that this dude was here, lived in our part of town, was that unhinged, and with access to automatic weaponry.

Consider the source but there apparently are witnesses. Looking forward to Guilfoyle's reaction (or not). So much drama!

Donald Trump Jr. is 'caught kissing' glamorous Palm Beach socialite Bettina Anderson during brunch date without fiancée Kimberly Guilfoyle | Daily Mail Online

Like Father, like son, how sweet

I can't believe he's been seen with a childless cat lady.

How many Republican politicians would have to get shot by Republican voters before gun control would be considered?

The put the emPHASis on the wrong syLABle.

Of course a Trump lacks the manners to take their hat off in a restaurant

RFK Jr says he faces federal investigation for beheading whale | Robert F Kennedy Jr | The Guardian

Not weird.

Also, do you think RFK, Jr. thinks 1994 was really only 20 years ago?

"He's a Republican!" "No, he's a Democrat!"....No, he is mentally ill with easy access to guns.

Is there some sort of "intent to assassinate" crime? I know that if it was an automatic, they've got him on that for sure, but if he never fired and never pointed it at anyone, what other charges are available?

"I got bored and was just attempting to skeet shoot golf balls out of the air."

A lot of attempt crimes require the defendant to take a "substantial step" toward completing it. We might have that here.

Also, I'm sure he's guilty of trespass and other ticky-tack things that would normally not matter but will allow them to slow-walk his processing to keep him in the system for evaluation, etc.

I hate to tell you, but he's not the only one that fits that description in this part of the country.

If he never pointed the gun at anyone, Florida is an open carry state.

This really is the strangest of political times, where an assassination attempt is practically just another crazy event to get shoved out of the news half-a-day later, by whatever the next crazy event will be.

He was still a good guy with a gun! He was protecting Trump, as far as anyone knows! No one even gave him a chance to prove he was a bad/mentally unstable guy with a gun. Whatever happened to a presumption of innocence, especially when exercising an unassailable, God-given right?

This country sucks, I tell you.

just goes to show how monumentally stupid these "constitutional carry" laws are

Possession of a firearm by a felon
Possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number

The Secret Service doesn’t shoot at everybody with a gun, but they shot at this guy. Probably because he was in an ambush stance, waiting for Trump to get into his sights. I would imagine that takes a lot of wind out of the sails of anyone suggesting he was “just a dude with a gun, open carrying”.

I don't think you are permitted to violate the Constitutional rights of 2A advocates by taking the wind of out their sails.

But until he takes the shot that is exactly what he was...

Open carry and openly brandishing aren't the same thing.

by all accounts he wasn't even spotted with the rifle.

Not when it comes to penises. That's what the cops told me anyways.

Two more schools in Springfield evacuated for bomb threats.

I can not wait until the current GOP is buried and all the swamp creatures crawl back into the bowels they emerged from 9 years ago

Is this certain? I just read the criminal complaint and its not clear on this point. It says that the agent saw "what appeared to be a rifle poking out of the tree line." Doesn't indicate one way or the other if he was holding it.


On another note, the docs also say he was there from roughly 2AM until the time of the shooting. That might be the answer to the "how did he know Trump would be there" question that I keep hearing pundits talking about. Maybe he just assumed Trump *might* be playing golf there because...Sunday and Trump....and just got there when it was dark and waited.

Careful, tiger, that’s the kind of crap Ryan Roush was saying on the internet.

:rolleyes:

From everything I’ve seen he fled the scene and was captured. Granted who knows what’s accurate and I agree on the whole “how did he know” Trump being on The golf course on a Sunday is basically a given.

The picture of the rifle does show it poking through a chain linked fence, so I could see where the question could come from that. No reports to add, but I’m fairly confident that a USSS member would have seen a person or saw the rifle moving before firing. It’s daylight, it’s not a covered
fence…so working through the scenario from the USSS POV, seems logical that they saw a threat. Might even have seen the scope
glint in the sun as he moved it around.

Looks like a beautiful course.

Does Trump golf before or after church on Sunday

I don’t know man, but the waterfalls coming over the cliffs and the island greens look truly enchanting. I’d like to play there some day. As I get older and have given up so many sports, golf is still on the board, though I hardly have time for it now, but it’s encouraging to see him still playing (and so well). Im looking forward to find the time to one day to hit the links regularly.

It will be interesting to know if there was a challenge before the shot. Meanwhile, they have the gun charges. I imagine there is a possibility of greater charges after they complete the investigation.

If the gun was pointed at Trump like some articles suggest, I doubt the Secret Service would challenge before shooting.

I thought Trump was two holes away.

Heh. Apparently dude went to two high schools:
1. The one that is a 4-minute drive from our house, where we're zoned to attend.
2. The one that our oldest currently attends because of the IB program there.


Some folks in Nextdoor here are saying that local news stations have been knocking on doors to see if they can find people who knew him. If the NW GSO address for him that someone posted in there is correct, it's probably less than a mile from my house as the crow flies, and is on one of my semi-common running routes.

Looks like the best way to hit the links regularly is to be elected president.

United States presidents who played golf: Joe Biden, Donald Trump

In the charging docs the writer (I think it was an FBI agent) goes wayyyy out of his/her way to go into a fairly detailed (relative to the short length of the document) discussion about how because that type of gun isn't made in Florida, it's highly likely that he brought it across state and/or federal borders. It sure makes it look like the person who wrote the document believes that they've got something to charge him with in that arena as well. It was definitely reported at one point yesterday as being "two holes away," but everything I've heard today indicates the gun was spotted while clearing the hole immediately ahead of Trump. But no indication either way that he ever pointed it at Trump, nor even at the Secret Service. (So, yeah, maybe it was just sitting there poking through the fence and he was nearby and not holding it at the time. If so, maybe that's why he's alive...)

Rich Lowry let his racist side out on a video interview.

I'm sure whoever he plays with on Sunday talk about God given that's his church now apparently

If the BBC map is right, he was at the end of the hole behind, but he was still on the other side of a tree line from where the would-be assassin was. It doesn't look likely the the guy was aiming at him at the time. Does the report say what weapons the SS fired at him? I imagine if they were handguns at a distance it would have been a hard target.

"service weapon"

"Rich Lowry let his racist side out on a video interview."

And Megan Kelly just ignored it. She seemed used to people slipping the N-word in conversations.

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Is that a golf reference?

That's because a preponderance of the US would be indifferent to delighted if someone succeeded.

I, personally, would take the week off in celebration.

I watched some of the 2016 debate and it's insane how much Trump has deteriorated. People thought that he sounded bad then, but he was actually able to put coherent thoughts together, stay on topic, and discuss policy with at least a small level of depth.

Watched the joint FBI/USSS briefing a few minutes ago. A few takeaways with regard to stuff a bit up in the air in this thread:

1. They specified that Routh did not get off a shot.
2. They specified that he did not have any line of sight on Trump.
3. They specified that this was a completely unplanned round of golf, so they didn't have a chance to do any pre-clearing of the course and surrounding area. So, yeah, dude just guessed that maybe Trump was playing golf and sat out there waiting on him. (They also said that he had a bag of food with him.)
4. They did *not* specify if he pointed the gun at USSS, but they did say something along the lines of "the suspect never got close to getting off a round."

Based on a combo of the info, especially #4, I'm guessing he either wasn't holding the gun at all, or perhaps he didn't see the Secret Service agent because he happened to be looking in another direction at the moment the agent would have come into view. Either way, the way it was all stated, it certainly appears that he never had a chance to point the gun at anyone.

The mre that comes out the more it sounds like this time the Secret Service did a good job. Hard to do better for an unplanned round of golf.

They are definitely beating up the USSS again but (warranted or not) it seems more along the lines of, “So nothing has changed from the first assassination attempt”. I think the USSS is doing the best they can, tactically speaking. I also think it’s pretty obvious now that the only other major candidate to potentially run the country will need full USSS support. That would come by way of a strategic level change to the protocols of the USSS. Seems like an easy enough amendment to their current rules that could be changed tomorrow morning and implemented by the end of the week.

Overall I think the Secret Service is a trainwreck and I welcome oversight, but in this case they seem to have done a good job. Trump was never in danger and the guy was apprehended. I'm not sure what more can be expected given the circumstances.

That's as thoroughly disgusting as it gets. There is nobody for whom that is an appropriate response, full stop.

Brian, who insists every hypothetical person's opinion should be respected, does not respect your opinion.

Trump has a cunning plan to reduce food prices.

Reduce supply.

While also kicking the majority of people picking those crops out of the country.

He’s also now promising government funded IVF and to reduce car insurance. He’s just throwing anything and everything against the wall now.

I don't want trump to be assassinated. I want him in jail and destitute. There's a difference ;)

I just want him gone from our lives, no matter how that happens.

Trump on energy policy: We have Bagram in Alaska. They say it might be bigger than Saudi Arabia. I got it approved.

(Bagram is an airbase in Afghanistan) pic.twitter.com/AhorJb6Vq2

— Acyn (@Acyn) September 17, 2024

I've wondered if the Harris campaign should start subtly classifying his misstatements as confusion rather than lies.

Saying Trump lies does not move the needle. That's baked into his support and opposition. And the media response ends up just being some version of "Democrats and GOP debate Trump's assertion that 1+1=3."

But if you say he's confused, then that's a different story. And then his defense has to be that he wasn't confused, he was lying? That's a bit harder to frame in a #bothsides way.

That’s a great strategy.

I agree that ‘lies’ don’t work much but confused = cognitive decline may work

I heard or read somewhere in passing in the first 12ish hours after Routh was identified that he had "over 100" citations from local law enforcement, but since that one little tidbit, I hadn't heard anything else about it--just the two big arrests--so I'd moved on to thinking either I'd heard it wrong or it was bad information. However, this interview with a retired GPD officer, published this morning, seems to corroborate at least the spirit of that "over 100," if not the exact number. (You can watch the video without entering an email address. I think you only have to do that to read the article.) It's pretty wild how well known he was to multiple police officers.

Trump assassination plot exposes Ryan Routh's bomb bust, barricade with illegal gun | Fox News

so the US attorney handling the latest assassination attempt is a Haitian immigrant. Can't make this stuff up

Yeah so about that police report you provided JD Vance that shows Haitians are eating cats:


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That's where most people get it twisted. Nobody is beholden to respect anyone's opinion. Certainly everyone is entitled to an opinion, but there's no obligation on anyone's part to respect it.

Some people believe in Flat Earth, 9/11 was an inside job, or immigrants are eating people's pets. Those opinions deserve no respect whatsoever.

And I don't mind if Brian, or anyone, is disgusted by my opinion. That's fine.

Still, ridding this planet of Donald Trump would make it an infinitely better place.

(enjoy this post before the Mods censor me again)

Doesn't matter, the narrative is out there and there is a huge segment of our population that will never admit they were duped by misinformation so any evidence that shows they were is actually the misinformation. Trump and Vance will double down and never retract because that is the playbook. Maybe someone like Cavuto mentions in passing it was false so FOX can CYA and he will be labeled a RINO by the Charlie Kirks of the world and we will eventually move on. Meanwhile people will question why you would ever vote Harris when she cant explain in depth her policy on giving a 25K tax credit to new home buyers and how it would effect markets and interest rates.

And there's no reason to stop it. There are popular (yet unfeasible) ideas out there to be embraced harmlessly. If he senses trouble, why stop at this level? Why not a promise to cut income taxes in half for everyone, on day one (the dictator phase, heh)? Just mumble some stuff about a booming economy paying for it, or how tariffs will, or that we will pay for it with a trillion dollar coin, or whatever... nobody holds him to any details so why stop pledging the moon and stars?

Mexico is going to pay for it.

This is a weird thing to cut and post.

https://t.co/ZCTwZSqZND pic.twitter.com/FH9SRFQeUR

— MELANIA TRUMP (@MELANIATRUMP) September 18, 2024

I'm sure many will be bought as some sort of display statement, but will anybody ever read a copy of Melania's book?

Trump was smart and realized most his supporters can't read and instead released a picture book.

Yeah, there's an "I buy it for the articles" joke in here somewhere, isn't there.

Just saw these numbers at the border.

Trump admin: ~2 million CBP encounters
Biden/Harris admin: ~8 million CBP encounters

Trump admin: 11 Terror Watch list encounters at border
Biden/Harris admin: 390 Terror Watch List encounters at border

The first numbers goes far beyond agriculture workers. Many of the those (making up the delta) account for our 400% increase is fentanyl deaths the last few years. Whats that death count at now?

The second set of numbers shows an alarming interest by those who wish to do harm in the USA attempting (hopefully just attempting) to set up shop.

It’s not all doom and gloom, however, both Trump and Harris agree that zero Americans are to be expelled from the country.

What's interesting is the vast, vast majority of terrorist watch list encounters are happening at the northern border. Who's paying for that wall?

Also, CBP and others have long complained that the terrorist watch list is far too large and often inaccurate. It's grown to over 2 million people. There's no one really auditing names once they're added to check accuracy and remove names of people that are there for simply having a name similar to someone else on the list. So the list just continues to grow over time and, of the estimated 10s of thousands of people that have appealed being on the list, 98% (according to DHS) were false positives.

Not true. Stephen Miller has talked about de-naturalization and why Trump is going to do a lot more of it.

Untrue.

They have already said they will get rid of anchor babies and I suspect dreamers will also be fucked.

And please, explain to me what a mass deportation looks like logistically? Never mind the cost associated, how exactly do you determine someone is here illegally without violating their civil liberties?

We already have people in Ohio accusing their neighbors of eating missing cats, can you imagine what will happen when every brown person is a suspected illegal?

The obvious conclusion here is that the Biden Administration is far more effective at stopping illegal border crossings than the Trump Administration. Thanks for posting this, Dutch.

When I see that big a discrepancy I assume the accounting method has changed

Encounters at the border were trending up significantly under Trump and then Covid happened. I will say, I think not treating people inhumanely does probably make them more likely to risk or request to come into the country.

The biggest thing we need at the border is significantly more judges to clear the 3 million or so backlog in cases and to clean up the terrorist watch list. It's ridiculous that it's ballooned to over 2 million people and we know a significant number of them shouldn't be on there but the funding and manpower doesn't exist to audit it.

J.D. Vance offers ‘proof’ of pet-eating, but it’s proven false with 1 phone call - nj.com

No real context if this decision is appropriate or just anti-Trump by the leadership. Has there been other situations where rank-and-file supported a candidate but leadership did not?

Teamsters won’t endorse in presidential race after releasing internal polling showing most members support Trump | CNN Politics
Their rationale ...

Never underestimate the ignorance of Americans in voting against their best interests.

Vance is right tin saying the insurance markets can be restructured so that healthy adults pay less, but that only works if sick people pay more. Given that most of us get sick at some point before we die, I don't think his plan will be all that popular.

I’m not an expert in this field either, so I don’t know, but if anybody asks me for my paperwork to show citizenship, I’ll happily provide it to do my part to protect the civil liberties of all Americans.

Well, there’s Cuba. Seriously though, the decision to not endorse the Democrats and seeing the landslide vote was pretty eye opening. At least Harris is still killing it with abortion.

Ditto.


I really don't know. I asked the question if this has happen before. If it has, where Teamsters leadership went against the rank-and-file, then it's not a big deal.

Do you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times? Do you expect mass deportation to have hearings for proof of citizenship?

You realize asking people for their papers is straight up Nazi Germany shit and in total violation of peoples rights?

Your white privilege is staggering, and it may come as news to you, but millions of Americans are latino, black, etc...and have the same rights as you. Those people shouldn't be subject to harassment because of a minority of hateful bigots that at best you support and worst are a part of.

People who support this have zero expectations of what it will look like because they haven't thought past "brown people bad."

I mean it would have to look like literal roadblocked checkpoints where you either show your proof of citizenship or you go to detention until you are able to prove it, right? How else is it going to work?