It's a variation of a right wing post from a while back where the original specified that her songs were about choosing the wrong man, which got the response pointing out that it's why she'll be choosing a woman.

The situation with Iran was one of the primary reasons Reagan got elected. It was the biggest story in the country for over a year and half. We literally fought a war in the early 90's in the Middle East. What in the world are you talking about?

And both Reagan and Bush got results. Israel immediately stopped bombing Beirut after Reagan stopped shipments. Bush leveraged loans to get them to stop the settlements. He also demanded they not retaliate against Iraq for launching missiles at them and they didn't. We have immense leverage over them.

All this stuff is well-documented and you can find them in lots of books. The first Gulf War was a pretty big deal. I'm sorry you don't remember that era or never learned about it.

Until your posts supporting Yemen reach at least half the number of pro-Palestinian posts you have here I'm going to just assume you support the genocide of afro-arabs.



Hamas wasn't really being tracked all that closely at the time. Israel had built up their defenses and were overconfident in their ability to deter and counter anything from Hamas. Definitely an intelligence failure, but not because of bad intel. It was because they really weren't watching or expecting anything on that scale.


I was actually working US intel at the time and there were a number of failures there. The middle east wasn't my area of expertise but I did get to see first hand where our intelligence was failing because it wasn't isolated to just that decision. We didn't go into Iraq because of Israeli intel. We had our own intel biases that were saying Iraq had WMDs that led to the decision to invade. Israel along with other intel just fed our confirmation bias.




I've said many times on here that I don't support Israel. You just make that assumption because I don't have the same view on it as you. If we withheld weapons I'd support that. I understand it's a difficult political position for this administration though.

Again, progressives are unable to understand who the real enemies to their causes are. They'd prefer to attack the people closest aligned and lump them in with the people that want to see Gaza leveled. Then they complain they can't get a stronger foothold in politics and blame everyone but themselves and their own tactics.



I was in middle school during the first golf war, but I know the general public isn't as knowledgeable about the Middle East as they are after multiple never ending wars in the region. Senate, the House, and the general public didn't care about withholding weapons at that time. Both had bipartisan support. It wasn't an issue that split parties and the public. Whether you like it or not, Israel/Gaza is pretty split on a national scale and there'd be little support congressionally for halting weapon shipments.

Exactly how split the country is right now depends on how the question is framed. If you just ask if you're for halting weapon shipments while Israel continues to kill Palestinian citizens then a slight majority are for stopping the shipments. If you ask if the US should continue to ship Israel weapons until all hostages are returned then you get something like 60% in favor of continuing to supply weapons.

The frustrating thing on this is your inconsistency on who you support. You keep saying you can't support someone that has supported the genocide in Gaza while pushing both Whitmer, JB, and others on here as options outside of Biden. JB has been a pretty hardline supporter of Israel and Whitmer continues to dodge most questions about it since she got so much backlash for her statements supporting Israel. If you stick with your stance that you can't vote for someone that supports the genocide and use the line in the sand as anything less than stopping weapon shipments then there really aren't very many people out there left to vote for.

She is 100% going to be press secretary if he wins.

This.

I 100% support immediately stopping sending weapons or any financial support to israel.

Where we differ, is im going to vote and advocate for the person who may actually try to do that, as opposed to taking actions making it more likely the one who will strongly push for even more support of israels terrible acts. This includes not voting or voting 3rd party.

Over/under on how many days it takes for her to use a slur in a press briefing?

This is not true at all. The Gaza Strip is one of the most surveilled strip of land on the planet. Every phone call is recorded, internet traffic is monitored, there are CCTV cameras on every corner, drones in the sky, and spies (willing and unwilling) all over.

But even if you want to pretend that's the case, they keep "accidentally" dropping bombs on humanitarian workers, teachers, journalists, and doctors. If we are to believe those are accidents, it sounds like their intelligence is dogshit.


Liberals are more closely aligned with conservatives than they are with progressives. This is largely due to both parties being owned by corporations. The idea that progressives will magically convince the average Democrat to go against their corporate donors is fantasy. Just look at how far the party has shifted to the right in just the past 4 years.

And in fairness to them, Democrats don't try to court progressive voters. They have no interest in those policies and don't care if people like me would vote for them. That seems to upset liberal voters which I don't understand.


Local politicians have no power over what we are carrying out in Gaza. I don't care what my alderman's stance is on Israel because it doesn't matter. I wouldn't vote for JB or Whitmer in a federal election if they continued to support the genocide.

You're correct that there aren't many people left to vote for on a federal level. That's why I brought up the selective enforcement of foreign election interference. We're at a point where multiple countries in the Middle East have turned us into vassal states through bribes alone. I don't care if that's Israel pumping tens of millions into a Congressional primary or the Saudis bribing the Trump family with billions in cheap loans. It's really bad to allow foreign countries to buy your politicians or be free to spread propoganda.

There is no evidence she will do anything to stop the war crimes. She has nearly identical views to Biden on Israel and has stated such. And those views are identical to Trump's. They will give Israel whatever they want, no questions asked.

With that said, Trump is a bit of a wildcard regarding Israel. There have been stories that Netanyahu is waiting on him to get elected to end this and give him a huge win as soon as he's elected. Kind of like Iran did for Reagan.

And I do think there will be much more pressure on politicians to end the genocide with Trump in power. Liberals can go back to caring about that stuff again, and the media will be tougher on foreign policy decisions. And Trump gets incredibly bored with shit that doesn't have him at the center, so I could see him getting annoyed and demanding it end. At some point, it gets so unpopular that it just has to end.

I want to say it's 50/50 they're having an affair right now so she might be aiming higher.

Some evidence. It'd be better if the Dispatch took some time to dig a little further on who/what happened in the picture. Take it FWIW

Goose photograph shows man in Columbus, not Springfield Haitian immigrant

The article has a link of the pic. See below

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Now the Haitians are taking geese? Who is against that? Those Canadian fuckers are the real illegal immigrant problem, shitting and honking all over the place.

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That's not evidence. Columbus and Springfield are a long way apart.

The latest MAGA "bombshell" is there are reports circulating an ABC employee is going to be a whistleblower and claim Kamala was given the questions ahead of time. Of course these "reports" are all just speculation that is rebounding through the echo chamber and has been picked up by looney Loomer so now it is of course fact.

I can not fathom what her press conferences would look like.

I'd love for them to explain which question was supposed to be a curveball, non-obvious question for a Presidential debate.

I'll say it again.. Good luck.

I have a neighbor who I am facebook friends with who seemed normal enough and has just exposed herself as a maniac. She posted she couldn't believe the Haitians eating cats claim so she had to do her own research. so she took to Twitter and found proof from accounts who will tell us the real truth. Highlighted by the thoroughly debunked story about the lady from Canton. She goes on to claim Trump always tells the truth, he just does it in a way that makes him sound crazy and the media then makes him look bad. She claims you can't trust the media nor the mayor, governor, town manager, etc...and the real truth is buried on Twitter exposed by people brave enough to fight the machine. A few people have tried to reason with her to no avail, the possibility she is being lied to just doesn't exist.

This is how this shit works, and it is scary there are tens of millions of people who fall for it.

Saw this in my family group chat. I didn't watch this debate, but having watched debates in the past, I know any moron could reasonably predict most of the questions. So yeah, I agree, I'd love to hear which question Trump got that he was shocked by, and wished he had known about in advance. Also, didn't Trump make the same accusations about Hillary? This stupidity has a good fit, in that people who are likely to fall for crap like this and people who think knowing the questions in a presidential debate is actually an advantage are very similar populations.

Rain, I don't think I've said this to many folks, but you are hard core in a left-wing echo chamber when it comes to this issue (and I understand how personal this issue is, but I strenuously disagree with your viewpoint.)

Hilary was given town hall questions by CNN's Donna Brazille in the 2016 DNC Primary

I actually didn't know that, I just thought Trump claimed Hillary had questions to their debate. I guess according to this article we're both right.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ebate-scandal/

Yes, but this is not that and anybody that has watched any debate should have known these were going to be the questions. There was nothing asked out of left field, not to mention Kamala didn't really answer many of the questions. Why would it matter if she had knowledge of the questions she never really answered? What she did so well was pivot to things she knew would make Trump sound crazy, and then let Trump sound crazy. He ended up with the most time in the debate, and had the last word on most rounds, and that is why he lost.

RainMaker is not in a 'left wing echo chamber'. He's constantly arguing with people here. That's the literal opposite of an echo chamber.

He's also right that it makes no sense to assume Harris is more likely to cut off aid to Israel.

I think he's off on his assessment of the conflict in general to some degree, and often grossly exaggerates potentially legitimate points, but a lot of the ganging up on him is no more justified than when it used to happen to conservatives around here.

The echo chamber, to the degree it exists, consists of more 'establishment liberal' or whatever segment of this forum.

This is one thing I agree with you about. The longer it takes for her to sit down and do some traditional interviews and more national style appearances, the more it seems strange. I think she would kill on Kimmel or Fallon. I think an interview her and Norah O'Donnell would be great. She needs to show up on SNL as they open up their 50th season. She needs to do both personality press as well as some harder interviews.

I feel like they are trying to pitch no hit ball. They are keeping the limits on anything that go negative, like a misstatement or any policy point that is too specific. It is clear both campaign have a common strategy. Trump is going full nut to try to rally his base for turn out, and Kamala is letting Trump go full nut to rally her base for turn out. She has mostly just wanting to look moderate to play to the independents and never-Trumpers and let Trump come out with as many crazy ideas as he can to scare more left leaning people into voting.
The Harris strategy of trying to moderate isn't out of nowhere. The cross tabs in polling shows that her biggest weakness is the idea she is "too liberal." That New York times poll right before the debate that had everyone freaking out had people saying she was extremely liberal at 70+%. The question is first how can she sell to the moderate swing voters and not lose the more of the far left. Then second, how long does she delay really putting herself out there.

She's still in a position where she needs to take calculated risks. She's not so far ahead that she's just looking to run out the clock. So yeah, she should be going out there and doing some fairly softball-type interviews. She doesn't need to volunteer to go on Fox News. That's what Mayor Pete is for.

You want Trump to win and you want Democrats to be punished. Just say it.

You're willing to inflict on others all the bad that would come with a second Trump Administration just so a) there might be a tiny chance that the Gaza situation gets better and b) so Democrats will suffer for their sins.

This is why people are taking issue with your posts, RM.

Maybe, but we know Trump will allow Bibi to turn Gaza to glass.

Here's a poll showing that 60% of americans want to continue funding Israel until the hostages are released. That has to really be the starting point of a cease-fire.

Majority of Americans favor US military aid to Israel until hostages are returned, new polling says | CNN Politics

This isn't evidence of anything and posting such as disingenuous. Other than an American citizen that isn't from Springfield and has severe mental health issues, no one is eating cats and dogs.

Posting this as proof of anything is no different than using RFK as an example that white people are out there eating peoples pets.

Trump worked with Israel on a peace plan that would have effecitvely been an annexationof Gaza. He's also said Israel is being too cautious and taking too long. If theyre going to do this it needs to be quicker and they need to see it through to the end. Trump also has zero political pressure from his party for anything other than full support for Israel, while multiple dems have said they would support halting or putting conditions on further weapon shipments if the administration feels it's needed. Bibi also isnt pushing for Trump to win the election so that they can stop receiving weapons.



Misstating people's stance on something to frame them as pro genocide and telling them they see people as something less than human is going to get reactions.

He has such a strong desire to be right that he's creating enemies out of people that largely agree with him just so he can tell them they were wrong at some point in the future.

This is a fair counter based on what I wrote and linked. I was reading some articles and my comment about "evidence" is for the below statement (I did not link in orig post), which I took to include all of OH.

https://www.newsweek.com/migrants-sp...sponse-1952534

Quote:

Ohio's Republican Governor Mike DeWine said people should believe officials who have said there are no reports of Haitian migrants eating cats, ducks, and geese.

I said no such thing. There is a wide gap between me stating it was evidence vs me posting it "as proof".

With that said. I would not be surprised at all if it was an immigrant, likely legal, that harvested that goose or picked it up as roadkill (ala RFK Jr. and a college buddy of min). Not a big deal. Now if it was a dog, I would definitely feel differently.

I think this quote really gets to the crux of the issue more than any other. RM's advocacy for ending the war is admirable, but there is definitely a strong whiff of schadenfreude that emanates from his posts.

Eric Trump, who is too dumb to have a filter, also talked at length about how seafront property in Gaza could be quite lucrative. It's not hard to believe that Bibi or a surrogate planted the idea in one of the Trumps' heads that if they let him do what he wanted, they could get in on that real estate action in the future.

I think it's that she has the Biden campaign team running her campaign and they believed in hiding the candidate. That was probably the right strategy with Biden, but it shouldn't be with Harris. Especially when you're trying to make this campaign "normal vs weird". She should really do a bunch of stuff that shows she is normal.

What confuses me about the approach is Obama ran a masterful campaign in 2008 (and even in 2012 to an extent) doing this. He was doing Bill Simmons podcast, calling in to local radio stations, went on SNL, etc. He talked sports, TV shows, and raising daughters. It made him very relatable regardless of your political views. He came across like your friendly neighbor.

That's what the Harris campaign should be doing. Walz should be talking about coaching high school football on Rich Eisen's show. Harris should be doing shows/podcasts talking about raising stepkids, her favorite movies, and what her go to snacks are. It's softball shit but reaches a lot of people and shows they are normal. It's something Trump and Vance can't do because they're inherently weird and socially off-putting.

They're still getting torched with young voters that they need and have to step outside the traditional bubble that only boomers see. Trump is doing Logan Paul and other shows to target that demo.

Her campaign manager is Biden's but she's pulled in Obama's former campaign manager and deputy campaign manager plus others from the outside. From what I've read she leans heavily on her own people. The person that did her debate prep for Trump was the same that she used for the VP debate I'm 2020, for instance.

From what I've read from some political strategists, there's data that shows big national interviews don't really accomplish much or help a candidate. Interviews with local stations help with engagement, which the campaign did say they will be scheduling more of post debate.

I don't think keeping her off national TV and talk shows is being done to hide her, the belief is that it doesn't really help and has more potential to hurt.

That's what I just heard some pundits saying, and I disagree. That's what I was saying about the idea of trying to pitch no-hit ball. She should absolutely do the local stations, and from what I heard she also has plans to do a bunch of non-traditional media (Watch for Kamala on "Hot Ones" coming soon!), but as much they can poo-poo it, the traditional media still gets watched and shared more and to broader audience than just podcasts and web-shows. I get targeting audiences, but she has to appeal nationally as well. What I heard someone say was "yeah, the CNN interview was scene by 6.6 million, but the next interview won't be the same level of event." Hogwash. Her next interview will be the first major interview on her own since announcing. She needs to at least do one, if not two. And why the heck would she be afraid of Fallon?

That is exactly what they are planning, and I agree with that. But again, you need to do some old school traditional media as well. Young people may not watch CNN, but I guarantee they watch the shared cuts on Tik Tok and Istagram all the time. Target young people, but they still need to hit beyond select groups.

Supposedly at a Tim Walz rally today the crowd was chanting "we're not eating cats"

lol.

They should go back to the "They're weird". It unhinged them so much that they kept trying to prove how un-weird they were, (and yes, they were very weird in doing so)

Yeah, you do a mix of everything. Credit where credit is due, their TikTok is incredibly well done and gets massive engagement.

Dan Quayle misspelled a word. Never lived it down.
Howard Dean yelled weird. Never lived it down.

It’s crazy how quickly we cycle through things that would have been career-ending a generation ago.

Trump's flying around with a 31 year old, hugging her, holding her, flirting with her in public, being open that she was the first person he asked to see after he got shot, and it's not getting coverage.

If that were Harris and a guy that wasn't her husband, her campaign would be over.

She's staying at Mar-a-Lago according to her.

Harris did an interview with a Channel 6 Philly anchor tonight.

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Trump promised today that if he wins, he is deporting all the Hatians in Springfield to Venezula.

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I really don't like being facebook friends with neighbors for this very reason. I'd rather have plausible deniability on why I like you.

Agreed. He's a victim of his own passions, and like trumps followers they love to be miserable. Go back and read the 2020 election thread. He was the most miserable sob around, and never knows when to take a W or accept a L.

MTG + Lindsey Graham + Kellyanne vs Loomer. :popcorn:

Article doesn't actually say Kellyanne is working against Loomer, but you gotta figure she is. Will be entertaining to see how this plays out. Hope Kamala comes out with some ads on Loomer and the dysfunction.

https://www.ibtimes.com/lindsey-grah...loomer-3743183

graham didn't have a problem with the calls for Mike pence to be hung on jan 6, but now he does?

Favorite line this week "They say they are eating lap dogs. Doesn't Lindsey Graham feel nervous?"

Agree with all of this.

Ha! He should be very nervous then

Chris Rufo has a video of what he says are immigrants from Congo in Dayton grilling what may or may not be cats, so JD Vance wasn't lying.

It’s really something else. They choose to believe some shaky, grainy, video from a Twitter grifter over the mayor and governor. We truly are fucked.

Whatever outlandish shit Trump says, MAGA has to run around trying to find evidence of it to prove he was right all along. If he said Mexicans were smuggling chupacabras over the border for Haitans to eat we'd have chupacabra footage by now.

Are we sure that it isn't RFK Jr running around eating our pets? That sounds like it could be a true RFK Jr story.

Dude, he's white.

Maybe his brain worm is from Central America?

A migrant worm coming in and stealing a hard working American worm's job.

I’m taking it with a grain of salt because I don’t want to be guilty of the same thing the right does. I’m seeing on Twitter Loomer is now banned from trumps plane and anything campaign related. If this is true the backlash will be glorious.

I'm guessing Haitians are fair game again since Florida isn't a swing state anymore. There was a stretch where they cut that shit back because of Florida.

I thought the "Trump is having an affair with Loomer" was just a fun thing to joke about, but the fact he defended her and didn't just throw her under the bus like everyone else in his life makes me wonder.

I don't see the relevance of any of this. The point is that there's nothing about Harris that indicates she's going to cut off aid.


Show me where he's misstating people's stance? I've seen a lot more of the forum mistating his stance than I've seen of that. Again, there's a pattern here. One that as someone who used to be targeted by it and still is on occasion if I wade into the 'wrong topics', I easily recognize, but ofc it's been aimed at more people than just me.

As a specific and relevant example:


Which part of that is false?

I was sold after seeing a compilation of the physical contact, the looks they give each other, and other stuff. They're 100% fucking. Milo is anything but reliable but he's tweeting that it's happening now too.

Family Values!

I think the American public needs a full interview with Ms loomer-spare no details.

Is it misstating if he puts a whole group on both sides depending on who's in office? :confused: That seems more offensive than just saying liberals don't view Muslims as people, or don't find genocide repulsive all of the time. One requires the liberal to take into account what party is in power before deciding Muslims aren't people. That's a pretty horrible thing to say, isn't it?

Not sure how anyone would take a liberal responding to this drivel as "picking on" RainMaker. If that's your opinion your entitled, I'll simply have to disagree.

That depends on the nature of the response. I don't really know what you're referring to here; I didn't use the phrase 'picking on' and I'm unsure which of my statements, if any, that refers to.


Not if that's actually the case. Whether it's a horrible thing to say is not an issue to me. Whether it's an accurate thing to say is. In general, I'd say something is more important to say if it is both accurate and horrible.

Take some examples that have come up on this forum; the rhetoric surrounding the border with Mexico under Trump, both what was said and who was saying it. Then, under similar actual circumstances, said rhetoric under Biden. To put the shoe on the other foot, the examples that have been rightfully cited of Republicans criticizing policies that were exactly what they were trying to do when in power. Immigration and health care being a couple of prominent examples but not the only ones.

Goes right back to what I talked about around here when Trump was president, and people said it was appropriate to criticize everything he did, including decisions they would approve of if done by someone else, because he's Trump and he's horrible and he's doing it for the wrong reasons and he must be defeated. At which point I said 'ok, just don't be surprised when people treat Biden the same way'.

I'd say there's a long history of this kind of thing, it's natural but still important to recognize when our responses are being skewed by the person/party doing something and not the actual facts/policies involved.
Certainly not limited to this forum but it does happen a lot around here, and there's nothing wrong or misstating about pointing it out.

What echo chamber? Most of you regurgitate everything the Democratic Party puts out. They can do no wrong. Even when their positions were the very same things you complained about Trump doing over four years ago. I didn't magically change my stance in January 2021 like some of you.

A lot of talk about Trump supporters being a cult, but Blue MAGA is one too. It's not a cult of personality, it's a cult against a personality. There is no line you can't cross as long as it's to stop Trump. And I think it's caused many of you to support horrific things and lose objectivenss. The fact the party is essentially 2003 Republicans I think should be a wakeup call.

I don't take it personally though. My beliefs are my beliefs and I'm not changing them to "help my team win". The Overton window has shifted enough. And I would hope many here don't actually believe the things they say. I hope people didn't actually think Joe Biden was perfectly fine a few months ago and snapped when people pointed out the obvious. I would hope that Pilotman doesn't actually believe that an innocent child in Gaza "deserves" to be killed as he insinuated a few pages ago. But at a time where politics are treated as a sport, it's tough to tell what people actually believe and what's just spin to protect their team.

These people are insane.

This is what happens when the House GOP has a long weekend pic.twitter.com/YUFps0MGhn

— Jamie Dupree (@jamiedupree) September 15, 2024

FFS

So he's admitting it was all made up?

To me targeted, your phrase, or picked on, the one I used is just semantics. But feel free to replace "picked on" in my post with "targeting" if it makes you feel better. Arguing that point, to me, is a nonstarter.

If you want to go there feel free to replace "liberal" with "conservative" and I'll
say it's just as wrong. If Jon responded to that type of post I wouldn't accuse him of targeting the writer of that kind of drivel.

You asked and got a response, I'm not sure what else to say, his words in the post I quoted speak for themself.

The reason I'm done engaging with RM is because he can't see anyone as having a different opinion or that facts can be different than whet he accepts. Multiple times I've received a response like, You don't really believe that you just don't care about genocide. After enough of that, I have no interest in trying to discuss anything with him.

I guess that's one way to get them to stop talking about your madeup cat eating story.

Yeah. Anytime someone brings up another issue and how Trump over Kamala will negatively (in some cases majorly) effect their lives, he brings up the genocide and that those issues dont matter. Its just as easy to say RainMaker doesnt see women,trans, black people, or non heterosexuals (among many other groups) as people.

I assume that's Trump's desperate attempt to ruin her career since she endorsed Harris. I'm sure losing the 40-70 year old men demo is going to be devastating.

I came to the same conclusion at some point. When I check back in here occasionally and think about the all of the conversations I've sat out on, it actually fills me with a sense of calm. Which then eventually led me to feeling good about moving away from those kinds of online discussions generally.

I don't know what people who continue to engage with him hope to accomplish, but it should be more than clear by now - he doesn't respect anyone's opinion, he has a deep resentment for everyone, he thinks he's the smartest person in the world on every single topic, he doesn't think anyone else's experience or perspective have any value to anything, and, while I can't speak to the sincerity of his views (like he can for everyone else), he is not actually doing anything productive to further them here. Instead FOFC is just the Rainmaker show now, we're all guests on his platform and soapbox he uses to berate and insult everyone and be just a general massive cock.

What a miserable fuck. Just a dark cloud of misery which continues to draw other people in. Which is morbidly fascinating in a way, for a while, wondering how someone became this way. Until he starts yelling at good people about supporting genocide or not seeing people as humans or whatever, and then it's just, fuck off dude, what is your fucking deal? What is the goal here? He does provide a perfect encapsulation of online toxicity which maybe should be studied somewhere.

There's too many other positive things in the world to spend energy on, and ways to help others. And you can do that AND engage with crazies online of course, but, christ almighty, the older I get, the more that energy comes at a premium, and the more important it is to rid yourself of harmful and unproductive things.

I was typing something similar the other day, but deleted it like so many other comments. There's nothing positive in anything he posts. Just anger and misery. You nailed it.

Trump campaign is claiming shots fired at Trump International Golf Course where he is today.

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I believe that war is awful and that in this case, the 'side' I take is the one that is of the best benefit to the United States of America. The country I live in, and the country I want to be the best in the world. You can't save every baby in the world, you can't do everything for everyone. You can only play the cards you've got.



There's no 'save all the women and children in Gaza' card here. There's only the 'protect your allies' option because unfortunately that's the nature of the region. If you want to spend your final days pointing out all the injustices in the world, and you want to point out that your country perpetrates some of those, that's fine. But if you want the focus to only be on those, and you want to lose your fucking mind every time you think about it, don't be shocked when people get fed up with it.

The world you live in today has been molded and shaped by violence, injustice, and awful, terrible and too many arbitrary things. We do our best to be the change we want to see, but it's far from perfect, and bad shit happens all the time. I do love how Hamas, and decades upon decades of violence and terror against Israel is of no concern on what has happened there now. You can only kick a hornets nest so many times. The final chapter will ultimately be written by those who live to see it.

We are constantly fed that retribution is called for when you've been provoked too many times. We see it in movies, shows, documentaries, whatever. If your family is hurt, you want justice. I tend to believe that pov. Overwhelming, destructive violence as payback happens all the time. It's a deterrent on personal level all the way to the global stage. I tend to think that in this case, it's not beyond the pale, and I think the vast majority of people in the US feel that way too.

Blue MAGA? Get the fuck out dude. Seriously. No line that can't be crossed to stop trump? What does that mean? Is this cult out there plotting his death en masse? Support for Israel, in this case, means selling out convictions and morals? Not even close man. Nice try. Not even close. I think you need a wake up call, your perspective is off as usual.

Yeah, I think when you're at the point where you're saying kids "deserve" to be killed because you can't criticize your party you're either in a cult or just have no moral compass and a piece of shit. Take your pick.

Based on your post history, I have a pretty good idea which one it is and I'm happy I don't agree with you on this kind of stuff.




CNN reporting that Secret Service returned fire. So either it was shots at him, or someone chose the worst spot imaginable to fire their weapon.

Some indication that possibly it wasn't "returned" fire, but that the Secret Service fired first when they saw a weapon.

The FBI just reported they are on the scene and are investigating this as an attempted assignation of Trump.

Not me brother. You're at the GWB "either your with us or against us" phase of your life. I didn't say kids deserve to be killed. You did. I said people get the leaders they deserve. But sure, tell us more how we're all genocide supporting degenerates with no moral compass. My point stands.

Sounds like the guy was in an ambush postion pointing a rifle with a scope onto the course when the Secret Service spotted him and fired. He did get back to his car, but was arrested a short time later. They also said there was a GoPro on the gun.

When you don’t get enough polling juice from the first assassination attempt, order up another!

I'm sure those kids had a huge say in their leadership elected 16 years ago. And yes, you described yourself perfectly.

Is there any word on if he got a shot off or if Trump was even in the vicinity? Described as a 60-year old.

Im far from an expert but Ive taken ai increased interest in political discussion but im done with that here now. This is the Rainmaker thread and its disruptive to any reasonable discussion. Back to sports only threads or nothing for me here.

You can just block people instead of having a temper tantrum whenever someone doesn't post a DNC approved position.

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Ah I Remember all of this some time ago with another domineering poster taking over fofc


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Blocking people is useless. Replies/quotes still display blocked user's content.