I am thinking in terms of impact on undecideds and those considering not voting. Substance doesn't really have much to do with that. "Wow. She said it. she's gonna take our guns, keep abortion legal, and let the Mexicans stay and he's gonna do the opposite. I don't like him, but I guess I oughta vote for him."

On those issues, I am seeing him convince nevertrumpers and nose holders why they "should" vote for him. I don't think specifics matter there.

Good job by HRC on her economic plan.

Undecideds who would think this way are not truly undecideds though. If you are referring to Trump fleers who will come back to the flock, then yes.

Did you actually care to read the email that Matthews was quoting from, or does that even really matter?

Though she does play fast and loose with stats. As all do.

As HRC said "I was talking an energy plan, a grid for all of the hemisphere"?

Is that it?

So I want my energy tied to Socialist Venezuela, that hates the USA? No

Im a nationalist. Not a globalist. Pretty simple.

Dude, seriously, you're calling her the one who plays fast and loose and supporting the guy who makes up the most preposterous statements, then denies that he ever said them, then after he's called on it, blames others for rigging the system. That's as close a comparison as apples and manhole covers.

So, your answer is "no". Thanks.

I dont think Im supporting Trump.

But when HRC says Obama cut the deficit by 2/3rds, sounds like playing with stas, maybe Im wrong.

Of course, you blind HRC supporters are best at putting others down.

Typical.

Sounds like his voice is wavering every now and then.

You poor victim you.

Yes, I have always operated under the assumption that in this election, a much-higher-than-usual number (perhaps a plurality) of the undecideds are deciding between The Republican, a third party, and not voting.

Dola: they may not be truly "undecideds" by surely some of them are responding to polls as undecideds, no?

If Biden can pull out "malarkey" every now and then, I'm willing to give Trump "bad hombres."

You go. Its awesome HRC takes millions of dollars from foreign governments and tells them what they want to hear. And you play it off as what should happen.

So, yeah, Im not wasting my time reading HRC getting caught. Maybe the Fox moderator isnt as smart as you when he called her out. Of course you probably have read everything HRC has ever written.

The professional journalist moderating the debate was just making shit up.
Got it.

How did that work for Herbert Hoover?

Ah, yes. Attack others with your feelings. A beautiful liberal tactic. Well played, sir. Well played.

I don't disagree with this.

Well maybe until the women answer.

It's just facts man. Sorry that knowledge hurts your feelings.

Hey, nobody has more respect for women than him.

Nobody.

#WhatOnEarth

"Many history teachers claim that Herbert Hoover was a “do-nothing” passive president who allowed the Great Depression to happen. Quite the opposite is true. Far from being an advocate of laissez-faire, Hoover was an extremely interventionist president. Hoover actually intervened in the economy more than any prior president.

Herbert Hoover’s interventionist policies prolonged the Great Depression. He doubled federal spending in real terms in just four years. One of Hoover’s first acts as president was to prohibit business leaders from cutting wages. He also launched huge public works projects such as the San Francisco Bay Bridge, Los Angeles Aqueduct, and Hoover Dam. Hoover signed the Smoot-Hawley tariff into law in June 1930 which raised taxes on over 20,000 imported goods to record levels. He raised the top income tax rate from 25 percent to 63 percent and the lowest income tax rate from 1.1 percent to 4 percent in 1932. Despite what most of us have been taught, there was nothing laissez-faire about Hoover.

In the 1932 election, Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) criticized his opponent Hoover of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Sounds like Clintons plan, doesnt it?

Yes, knowledge that you believe. My knowledge of the issue is different.

My feelings arent hurt. It takes more than name calling by liberals to hurt my feelings. It all you got. Shout down those that disagree with you. Call them racist, sexist. same play, different theme.

Yeah, he blew that one. At least say, yeah, I screwed up there. I love me a good woman. At least he would have been more believable.

Trump doubling down on "rigged system" and refusing to pledge to accept the results.

Wallace has been the best moderator of the 3 debates.

HRC hammering Trump on the rigged issue.

Point being that internationally the idea that we allow the world to just go off on it's own, without committing resources to it. I was speaking in regard to international relations. The world moved on and our diplomacy was completely hands off. It ultimately lead to the rise of Germany, and many conflicts world wide.

International diplomacy says that we need to spend money in areas that may seem like wasted money, but it's extremely important for the order of the world.

You can't simply pull out and let the chips fall where they may because you are a nationalist and that nationalism is the only thing that matters.

Yeah, and I've been seeing that one as a bipartisan issue. I think she hurt him on that one.

I agree.

Heh. HRC campaign staff earned a tip just now.

Trump on losing the Emmy tonight: "I should've won." #DebateNight

Trump on losing the Emmy in 2012, 2013, and 2014: pic.twitter.com/EQsmBStnC0

— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) October 20, 2016

Clinton is getting in a lot of good hits, but then she ruins it a bit by not stopping. Got to finish on the cymbal crash, Hillary! (Yeah, I turned it on. I'm a masochist I guess.)

In an interview next year, Trump is going to look an interviewer in the eyes and say "I never ran for President"

"I'll see at the time"...really. This guy is a lunatic who won't even say if he will accept the result of a US election.

By far.

And they didn't press him or call him on it.

So now the Iraqi army is in cahoots with Hillary and trying to help her win the election. That's the only reason they are fighting for Mosul right now.

There were a lot of issues that led to World War 2. After WW1, England and France were the big dogs. Not the USA. We didnt have the ability to do anything. And England and France crippled Germany and pissed off Japan.
This led to WW2. Not a hands off approach by the USA.

The conflicts that happen in the world will happen with or without the USA. The Middle East has been a mess for thousands of years. In fact, Britain made it worse by imposing borders on the area. France started in Viet Nam long before we got there. They got their asses handed to them just like we did.

The only thing that holds the Middle East together are strong armed leaders. This is the reason Daddy Bush stopped before taking Hussein out. And it was Son Bushes biggest mistake, besides going into Iraq, was taking Hussein out.

International diplomacy is way too expensive. Im in favor of shutting down our military bases world wide. Im in favor of putting our military on our borders.

The Billions or Trillions of dollars saved would make our country much stronger.

Why is Trump's mike louder than either Wallace or Clinton?

Trump doesn't look as orange tonight. And needs a haircut. Are we sure this is the same Trump? Many people are saying that.

Fox in charge. Clinton got the mic advantage earlier. Trump gets it tonight.

Trump is right about Aleppo and Assad. He needs to stay. Otherwise you get Iraq 2.
Then again it would be Russias cross to bear and dump lots of money into to. Maybe taking Assad out wouldnt be a bad idea.

Trump "I have more respect for women than anyone." -Quote of the year

All three debates have gone kinda the same way..

Beginning of the debate, Trump manages to not be awful

D Supporters: WTF, C'mon Hillary, make him rage! You need to be prodding!
R Supporters: YES! Finally, his advisors got through to him. Now pound Clinton, but don't go overboard!

About a half hour in, D supporters are getting a bit worried, and R supporters are feeling the hope.

Then Trump's limit is reached. He makes an out of left field comment.

D Supporters: Oooh, I like this.
R Supporters: No! That was just a bobble. get back on track, get back on track..

Trump continues to devolve, prodded into a rage and getting gibberishy-word salad/y

D: This is the Trump we came to see!
R: I want to pour bleach in my eyes right now.
(Breitbart): THIS IS OUR PRESIDENT! HE'S FOR US! HE'S LIKE US! WE'D ALL BE INCOHERENT WITH RAGE ON STAGE TOO!

Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS are smart. We are dumb. Vote for me, folks.

Putting your head in the sand the ignoring world events puts the planet at risk. It's a much bigger cost than a few trillion dollars.

2nd debate Trump started horribly then recovered.

Its funny how you minimze what Trump says. I dont think he is saying :we are dumb" I think it is more "Obama and Clinton are dumb"

Guess what? Thats what his supporters want. And, as someone said earlier, what he needs to do to get his flee-ers back. Which he needs badly.

Support Assad until the area becomes stable, negotiate a peaceful transfer of power. Assad cannot stay and get help. It's one or the other. Trump wants us out and then he says that Russia gained land during a cease fire. Was he suggesting that we engage in open conflict against Russian aggression?

Putting our boots in the sand has not made us safer and it still cost us a few trillion dollars.

Did he jsut say "such a nasty woman?"

Hillary needs to stop with the jabs. Feels like she is stooping to his level and doesn't come off as natural. You're ahead. Just keep going.

There's a big difference between eliminating diplomacy and deciding not putting boots in the sand.

Ayup.

Holy hell. And he followed it up with "your husband disagrees with you."

I disagree. How more unsafe can it be? We just sent a couple suitcases of money to Iran and opened up their ability to sell oile to Russia and China. Iran becomes a huge player in the world. North Korea has a nut running th ecountry and are trying really hard to get long range missiles. Russia is back to where they were before Reagan broke them up. The Middle East isnt any better. China is a superpower that is building islands around their country for defense from any navy in the world. And has the human resources to do what they want. As well as the financial resources.

The US dumping money into problems hasnt done much to stop these things.

Why continue?
Start imposing huge tariffs on foreign goods. Give breaks to companies that keep jobs here. And companies that innovate. And create. Use our huge military-industrial complex and build a defense from missiles.

We are hated by everyone in the world right now. What have our Imperialist policies gotten us?

Hillary lacks the ability to think quickly on her feet. She's not as aggressive in defending and attacking as she should be. For example she says "If he can't find some way out of it." When she should have said "If he decides he actually going to start paying taxes again, like the rest of America." It's all in the phrasing. She just isn't nimble enough.

Need a Jim Ross my gawd.

1. Might not accept results.
2. Such a nasty woman.
3. Your husband disagrees with you.

Congrats to President-Elect Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And when we are safer. Then we negotiate on our terms. We negotiate from strength.

We get used and abused by every country in the world. Our big brother diplomacy has failed in the last 50 years. Its time to try something new.

"We can't take 4 more years of Barrack Obama and that's what you get with her."

Well Trump just sold me on Clinton.

All things considered, I think Obama's done a pretty good job as President (though I certainly don't agree with everything he's done), so if the 1st term of Clinton will be fairly close to a 3rd Obama term, sign me up.

Hey Trumpenstein, did ya just call Hillary a nasty woman?

No her first name ain't baby, it's Hillary, Mrs Clinton if ya nasty... (and ya, Trump is a nasty boy)

Janet Jackson - Nasty Boys (Official Music Video) - YouTube

OR Trump just got back all those that voted for him and some. I dont think these are things that the common man is going to find a turn off.

I definitely dont think thise 3 statements are the tipping point. He just made Clintons supporters more pissed off and Trump supporters happy.

I dont think the undecideds are going to be swayed to greatly by these statements. Esp. after the beat down she took on the open border comments. And being paid $250k to say them.

yeah, "such a nasty woman". Does Trump never answer any of the questions asked? I can't stand to watch more than a few minutes of this.

We aren't though. You think for a second that Putin doesn't put up the Iron Curtain II if we back away? Putin has already been on a course to expand Russian influence worldwide. Influence makes the world go around. The more countries that are in our sphere of influence the safer we are worldwide.

A trade war with Europe and China causes an immediate economic collapse. Sure it might recover in 20 years, but at what cost in between? Is that worth it? It would certainly crush any forward movement that we've seen since 08-09.

But the "Nasty woman" remark kind of takes away from his "I respect women" remark, doesnt it?

I think Trump actually did pretty well in this debate. However it was nowhere near the knockout blow he needs to win the election.

No, the common man won't find them as a turn-off. There are plenty of common men out there supporting Trump. They are, in fact, *very* common.

But the respectable women in states that actually matter (i.e. not yours) will pull away from him even more.

What forward movement? Russia expanding? ISIS expanding? Iran becoming stronger than its ever been? How is this forward? this is backewards.

Yep, the world crumbling might make people realize they need the USA. And not as a hammer.

Well you're kind of assuming that people had stopped laughing so hard at the "I respect women" remark that they heard the "nasty woman" comment.

FYI, prediction markets moved 1-2c toward Clinton during the debate.

Again, you are calling only liberal women respectable. That is a terrible characterization.

There are going to be plenty of women out there who think HRC is nasty. And have heard their husbands talk like they were in a lockerroom.
And these are in the states that matter.

Do not undersell women and how they feel towards certain types of men, because you only see feminists through your tunnel vision.

CNN is making too big of an issue with the "Ill let you know after the election, keep you in suspense" comment. Trump said a few of his usual dumb things but that was just one of his normal arrogant statements.

Seems like the statement about not necessarily accepting the results of the election might be killing Trump with undecideds. As well it should. Two different channels' panels off voters brought it up as being wildly against it.

He didnt say anything about liberal

It's the potential far-reaching implications of it that make it such a big deal.

Yeah, everyone, WSJ, Politico, CNN, MSNBC (all except Fox of course) are running with the not necessarily accepting the results thing.

Edit: Apparently that's the website, all the pundits on Fox News are saying that Trump lost and made HUGE missteps :)

I can see this. As there has never been an issue, besides Gore throwing a fit, with the elction results and the smooth transfer of power. That seems to be a hallmark of our republic democracy.

Then again, these are all wildly liberal outlets and will spin it in their favor. As Fox will soin it in their favor.

So, really, we wont know until Nov. 8.

EDIT: with the exception of the WSJ. Interesting with that one. Gives it a little more credibility.

Please.

"No one respects women like I do. I call them 'nasty women' and tell them 'your husband disagrees with you.'"

Many "Conservative" women hate trump also.

ISIS is not expanding. They have been losing pretty steadily (losing badly in Iraq, more of a stalemate in Syria) for the last year and half, with Mosul being their last major holding in Iraq. If the assault on Mosul goes well for the Iraqi's, there might not even be an ISIS anymore (they'll lose a letter) by the time the next President takes office.

Of course not. There are plenty of conservative women who aren't common. I personally know very few common conservative women, for that matter. He has struggled with college-educated suburban white women in swing states.

This. Will. Not. Help.

Period.

yes, and Im sure that was the group he was talking about. You bet.

Bret Stephens on Twitter: "Trump's answer on accepting the outcome of the vote is the most disgraceful statement by a presidential candidate in 160 years."

Several notables have spoken out lately. Even Beth Moore.

More will join the chorus in the coming days. No question. Big mistake there.

The statement was since 08-09. And that was when ISIS started and started kicking ass.

As soon as ISIS dies, some other group will step up. Its the Middle East after all.

I am not a liberal. I am talking about educated conservative women.

I am a college football fan who is now actively rooting for his team to get blown out so that the incompetent Head Coach will get fired and his ardent supporters will go away with him.

Again, its the Us. vs. Them feeling though. The people that are voting for Trump dont care about name people. They care about building a wall and keeping immigrants out.

These women dont care about Beth Moore.

If Trump can get his voters out it will be closer than you think. Will he win? Doubtful. But I dont think its a 8 or 9 point spread.

Women are polling at 55-60% for Hillary. Some of those have to be conservative. Math is tremendous.

Russia expands at the expense of it's own economy. It's all a front. They are mired in one of the biggest economic recessions in the current world economy. The world turns, you can't turn back clocks, you can't stop it. You either back off and let it do its thing, which is what you are suggesting, then you allow Russia, Iran, North Korea, China and whoever else to fill in the vacuum that is left. Or you actively stick yourself out there as a bulwark against evil, a light of leadership and a support in the world where there isn't any.

The second option is hard. Sure it opens you up to criticism, but it's also the only option where your country matters in the world. The first option is easy to yell and stomp your feet about, and it sounds really nice, but it's completely backward. If everyone else is willing to take up the mantle we leave behind, don't you think it's a little more important than you're giving it credit?

But thats not his core. There are a lot more less educated, not a conservative, not a liberal, these are the isuues I like, women out there then there are educated conservative women.

The Journal is definitely right leaning.

Not at all. Let the world sort themselves out. Will there be problems? absolutely. Will the world end? Doubtful.
But why do we continue to cripple ourselves in the name of democracy? It s a losing proposition. We have been the leader of the world since WW2. And we are economically crippled and viewed as a bully by most of the world. And hated in the hot spots. Which makes sense. So let us stop with the charade. The world took care of itself for thousands of years before we stepped in. Its not going to implode because we step out. History shows us that.

Yeah, caught that after i typed it. My edit was in respose to the WSJ being included.

He can't win a general election without educated white women, because he's driven away every minority in the country. The numbers are simply not there. It's a dagger.

Donald?

Well that would explain a lot. Maybe Donald, Jr. though... ;)

That's the exact attitude I'm railing against. It's straight up ignorant. We have enough weapons on the planet that legitimately put human life at risk. As in the entire human existence. To simply state that you don't believe that it will end the world isn't good enough. The phrase "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" is used for good reason. It's not "fuck everyone, they can handle themselves."

We are hated in spots, but we are loved in many more. You're never going to get on the good side of every person worldwide and to think that by leaving that's going to improve is a unicorn's dream. For an economically crippled country we are doing pretty damn good. The amount of individual wealth owned by American citizens is phenomenal. Even our bottom 25% is in the top 1% worldwide. Our friends around the world would only view us as pompous bastards on the hill shutting out the masses because we don't have the time or energy to help or participate. That's not the message you're trying to get out there I'm guessing.

Ignorance is not a successful policy.

Precisely.