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Way to politicize a memorial service douchebag...
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So Ted Cruz talked for 21 straight hours to try and delay the Senate vote on funding. The end result: the measure passed 100-0. What a crock.
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So he spoke for 21 hours against it and then voted for it? Ha!
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The best part was that at one point he read "Green Eggs & Ham" by Dr. Seuss, substituting "Obamacare" for "Green Eggs & Ham". However, he appears to have forgotten that at the end of the book the protagonist tries the green eggs and ham (i.e. "Obamacare") and decides he likes them. :D
So, maybe that's why he voted in favor. Or something. |
My guess is the 100-0 is some sort of procedural thing and not the final vote. Don't really care to research it since I think the GOP are just as big of actors on all this "OMG the sky is falling the government is going to shut down!" as the Democrats. But I doubt the vote would be 100-0 on speifically Obamacare funding knowing some of the current members of the Senate.
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It was a crock because Cruz negotiated when he would stop withe Reid beforehand. He wasn't really filibustering because the bill includes defunding. He was simply grandstanding. |
It was 100-0 for cloture - to end the debate and actually vote. So no filibuster.
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Obama won the America's Cup. YAY!
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Fun article here:
Wal-Mart Returning To Full-Time Workers-Obamacare Not Such A Job Killer After All? - Forbes Quote:
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Thus ended the world's longest presidential campaign commercial, with a whimper rather than a bang.
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Does this mean the GOP multiple challenges to Obamacare is finally over? I hope so.
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Hopefully we'll just lock it down with the budget. At this point, shutting the government down indefinitely would be preferable afaic. |
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Fixed it for ya |
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The GOP's still fighting against Social Security, so, er, probably not. |
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The GOP doesn't really care or fight against any of this but I know that every time I point this out I get called out for not having a "solution" to the fake two party system. |
In a new report on the exchanges run by the Feds:
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I think you'll find that privatizing Social Security was a key element of the last GOP Presidential Candidate's (or his veep's) platform. Now, we can argue if that's meant to destroy or save Social Security, but.... |
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Hell, GWB floated that idea. SI |
I just got the letter from my insurance provider telling me my insurance will be canceled on 1/1 and directing me to the exchange. Yay. From what I'm seeing, I'll wind up with less coverage for about a 10% hike. Not as bad as I had thought, but thanks Obama.
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Well, in a few days I get to choose an insurance plan for my family that I can possibly afford from a spectrum of choices. As a self-employed business owner in a state with one insurance provider, which I couldn't possibly afford, that makes a world of difference. So thank you, Obama, for real.
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Interested in know if the below chart is somewhat accurate for you? Obamacare premiums - CNNMoney |
The article below is pretty critical of the GOP and Tea Party. Boehner and Cantor don't seem to have a good grip on them. The article made me ask two questions
(1) Should Obama concede to the 1 year delay of the individual mandate (from what I understand) but still do everything else? Is this one of those situations where he needs to help GOP save face but think about the bigger picture? (2) Should the GOP be affiliated with the Tea Party at all? If the GOP was completely separated, they could go back to the good old days and make deals with the Dems and essentially isolate the Tea Party. Republican hard-liners block strategy to avoid federal government shutdown - The Washington Post Quote:
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The problem the GOP would have if the Tea Party split off is that it would stop winning elections. Imagine a 2012 election with Obama, Romney and Bachman. Obama probably wins by 15-20 points at least.
The Democrats would have the same issue if a sufficiently-sized left-wing group broke off. |
IMO, Obama shouldn't negotiate on any of the terms the GOP is trying to use for the government shutdown. Not only will he not be up for re-election, but the issue isn't shaping up as a winner for the GOP, which is why you see all the GOP "moderates" in Congress really worried about it.
I remember all this from 95/96. Prior to the shutdown the GOP thought it had a winner on its hands. People would be on board with the idea that the government needs to "live within its means", etc.... But the fact is that once the government shuts down and basic services that people across multiple spectrums have come to love, enjoy and depend upon go away, people get angry, and their anger turns towards the obstructionists. In this situation, it's easier for the President (because he's one, singular voice, because he has the bully pulpit, but also because he doesn't write legislation) to cast himself as just another victim of the obstruction (which is what Clinton did). Honestly, I'd actually like to see Obama go nuclear with the shutdown. Instead of the way it's usually done, where non-essential services are slowly turned off, and it's "relatively" gradual, I'd like to see him shut as much down as possible. An example? Send all the air traffic controllers home and shut down domestic aviation. When people get mad, just shrug and say "hey, we don't have the money". |
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And there's a risk of a GOP'er finishing 3rd electorally, which would be even more troubling. |
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I'm in Maine, one of the highest on that chart at $961/mo for a family of four, which I am. But that's still much cheaper than the options we've had available to us, as Maine has been one fo the most expensive states for insurance for some time, I believe. I don't remember the exact figures as I haven't looked at them in a while, but I believe our monthly cost previous to this would have been roughly $1,250 a month, and I think that was for much less benefits. It's not going to be a huge benefit to us to begin with, as our state is booting borderline people like us off of the state system. But my hope is that rates in states like ours will go down as more competition is added. |
Pretty good week for Obama.
Gets consensus on Syria. May not have teeth but gets him off his redline fiasco. Looks diplomatic with Iran. We'll see what happens but can't hurt. And of course, GOP infighting and a can't lose situation right now. I think most will blame the GOP if the shutdown or default happens. U.N. Security Council OKs resolution on Syrian chemical weapons - CNN.com Quote:
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I have a lot of criticism for Obama but very little of it is in the foreign policy sphere. The Iran talks are probably a non-starter but you have to give it a chance as it looks better than it has in 30 years. I think Kerry bailed him out and has made Syria mediocre rather than a big loser. SI |
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I'm not sure that 'blame' is the correct word for it. I'm not sure the motivation is correct as far as the GOP forcing a default, but there's a whole lot of people that want to see meaningful change and these false standoffs with deadlines for political gain are getting really old. I'm tired of someone getting 'credit' for saving us from politics. I wouldn't blame them at all, nor would I thank them. I think giving credit to either side each time is only furthering the stupidity of these faux deadlines. |
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How are they faux deadlines? The budget expires Monday and the Treasury says the extraordinary measures used to keep paying the bills expire on the 17th. Are people lying about the budget and the debt limit? |
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The sequester certainly wasn't as bad as some made it sound. I am sure there were those impacted but not as a whole. The lead up to this seems pretty low key. There's not been the buildup as there was earlier this year. I don't know if its faux deadlines. I doubt we will default on government bonds but I can see we will stop paying government, civil servants. When this happened with Clinton, the GOP was "blamed". Its the correct word in politics for sure. |
Did the drop in credit rating from AAA to AA last year have real, tangible implications? I would argue so, particularly for a country that likes to borrow.
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Here we go ... let see how this plays out.
Hope any civil servants on this board won't be affected too much. Any predictions on how this will impact the stock market? I'm thinking relatively nil in the near term as shut down as been a real possibility in the past week and investors would have already accounted for it? Defiant House delays Obamacare; government shutdown looms - CNN.com Quote:
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I like that Congress has to do the exchanges also.
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Good question. Not sure, I was not able to find any analysis of this. However, the stock market is up so isn't that rough barometer? |
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I've been notified I'm non essential so I stop working mid-day Tuesday. Hopefully it doesn't last too long as there are bills to be paid. |
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There's plenty of analysis from the last go-round out there. Just came across this piece Shutdown politics to dominate investor attention - Market Snapshot - MarketWatch |
We were told Thursday that they enough cash on hand nationally for the VBA to stay open through October 4 then we'll be furloughed.
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Im referring to the movie Brewsters Millions.
What would happen if the public voted "None of the Above" in the next 2 or 3 elections? In national elections the people voted for no one? Would the incumbents retain their seats? Or would the offices go empty? |
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Only the votes that are cast count. There is no concept of a quorum for Congressional/Presidential elections. |
What I mean is 300 million people vote but no one votes for any politicians running for national office. People vote for local issues or alderman seats, but leave the House, Senate and Presidential empty.
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Good luck with that. |
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I don't know about 300 million but I bet we can get at least 9 people to submit blank ballots for national offices. |
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This. And nobody is gonna get shutout completely since candidates do have a tendency to vote for themselves. |
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It had no effect on our borrowing. Heck, we've never been able to borrow money cheaper. In fact, we're making money by borrowing. |
I'm a contractor at an Army hospital so I keep going to work. The direct impact on me would be my VA disability pay if this becomes extended for whatever reason.
The hospital will probably feel empty this afternoon though. |
Just a question: So now that Congress has allowed a shutdown of the government, is it possible for the citizens of a state to call for a recall of their federally elected representatives? Not going to happen of course, but just curious if it could happen.
The thing that burns me the most about the shutdown is thanks to the 27th amendment, Congress continues to get paid during it. |
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