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JonInMiddleGA 09-04-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2851651)
I agree if you're chasing after the top schools. But you have a ton of parents who want think their child is going to get a athletic scholarship to college.


Then again, I see a shocking number who do just that. And I don't just mean athletes that would stand out as anything beyond ordinary in some cases. My favorite anecdotal examples have to be the friend of the family who got 2 years of soccer scholarships from her D2 school, despite having never played a single second of soccer in her life, being 30 pounds overweight & never playing any sport above rec softball. Or the kid at my son's school who was offered a baseball scholarship from a baaaaad program in California, despite having only one hit in two seasons as a mercifully rarely used pinch-hitter. Things happen.

Still, I was really thinking more along the lines of non-elite athlete students who need to fill the "Sports" line item on their applications. That's a tricky thing in cases where you have to be training on your own just to make the team

I'm thinking of those like my kid - who will never be anything more than an average tennis player at best - who spent 4 days a week all summer working on his game just to have a chance at maybe being the last guy to see action in a varsity match sometime over the next two seasons. Or the guy back in my rural hometown whose daughter will struggle to ever make a below-average HS softball team because every single player that made the roster is playing travel ball & she doesn't. At least in many cases in Georgia, if you're going to play pretty much anything then you better be training on your own at a pretty high level & frequency. Otherwise, you aren't just riding the bench, you aren't making the team period.

And with better colleges getting several times over the applications they can accept, every single line on the resume counts.

Dutch 09-04-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2851696)


We are not mercenaries. The US Military is not the French Foreign Legion...of course, they are mercenaries, perhaps the Arabs should call them. Or...you know...take care of their own business.

Edward64 09-04-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 2851716)
We are not mercenaries. The US Military is not the French Foreign Legion...of course, they are mercenaries, perhaps the Arabs should call them. Or...you know...take care of their own business.


Regardless of why, right or wrong ... we are going to do it anyway. its smart to get them to pay for it.

Dutch 09-05-2013 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2851719)
Regardless of why, right or wrong ... we are going to do it anyway. its smart to get them to pay for it.


I disagree. We will lose control and credibility...and what if they dont pay? And what are they paying for? We already put ships and missiles in the region....the cruise missiles are paid for....what other major costs are we about to inherit? 75000 ground troops? Because the financiers said so? Who are the financiers in bed with? The Al Qaeda? No thanks. Id rather we just go it alone for our own interests.

gstelmack 09-05-2013 07:25 AM

I'd rather we had hit them within 24-48 hours of the initial gas attack. Now it's like spanking the puppy when you discover his poop in the house 8 hours later: you might feel better, but he didn't learn anything from it...

Izulde 09-05-2013 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 2851642)
It wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't sugar/HFCS added to damn near everything. I probably ate the same volume of food when I lived in Italy, but in their packaged foods, sweeteners are almost always far down the list. For example, take a look at a jar of Prego or Ragu. One of the first few items if HFCS. None of that in a jar of sauce in Italy. A jar of Barilla sauce sent to the US has a different make up than a jar of Barilla in Italy.

The reduced amount of calories from sugar/HFCS, coupled with a higher activity level from having to walk most places makes a huge difference. I weighed 175 when I lived over there, and within a year of being back in the US, I was up to 190.


Yep. I lost 27 pounds in 4 months in Spain, and 18 pounds in 2 months in Japan. It's the diet and the higher activity level. Both cases, I came back to the US, and I ended up gaining all the weight back and then some (currently sitting around 210, and I was around 185 when I got back from Japan last summer after being 203 when I left).

panerd 09-05-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2851719)
Regardless of why, right or wrong ... we are going to do it anyway. its smart to get them to pay for it.


Reading your quote from Kerry above it sounds more like a guarantee to pay if we put boots on the ground in a full scale government overthrow than for a missile strike.

#1: I agree with Dutch that we shouldn't start having other countries fund our military excursions. (American lives have always had a dollar value but never had it been made this clear)

#2: I agree with Dutch again... so what happens if they don't pay? More invasions?

#3: How much for a missile strike? How much for a bombing? How much for troops on the ground?

I give Kerry credit for at least half-answering the question instead of the normal DC dodge but the answer is still ridiculous. How are they going to pay for it out of the budget? Obviously the Arab countries are not going to pay for this.

I know the answer... more debt. I just want to hear it from the warmongers.

Galaxy 09-05-2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack (Post 2851766)
I'd rather we had hit them within 24-48 hours of the initial gas attack. Now it's like spanking the puppy when you discover his poop in the house 8 hours later: you might feel better, but he didn't learn anything from it...


I feel like with each passing day that we drag this out (in making a decision), it makes Obama and Congress look even more foolish.

JPhillips 09-05-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 2851779)


#1: I agree with Dutch that we shouldn't start having other countries fund our military excursions. (American lives have always had a dollar value but never had it been made this clear)



Just to clarify, this wouldn't be the first time other countries have contributed cash towards a military exercise conducted by the U.S.

Mizzou B-ball fan 09-05-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2851793)
I feel like with each passing day that we drag this out (in making a decision), it makes Obama and Congress look even more foolish.


I watched some of the hearing the other day on TV. The entire thing looks ridiculous. Sitting there on a TV that is broadcast worldwide announcing everything we're going to do and what our end purpose is makes us look like total buffoons. I'm much like some of the other posters. Either drop a bomb on them when they don't have any idea it's coming or don't do it at all.

Mizzou B-ball fan 09-05-2013 11:51 AM

Discussion about who the real bad guys are in this fight.....

Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in West - NYTimes.com

panerd 09-05-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2851804)
Just to clarify, this wouldn't be the first time other countries have contributed cash towards a military exercise conducted by the U.S.


OK but I serously doubt they are going to completely fund it and reimburse us for all of the costs. So again for a country that had to cancel White House tours due to the dire financial circumstances where do we get the money for this?

panerd 09-05-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2851813)
I watched some of the hearing the other day on TV. The entire thing looks ridiculous. Sitting there on a TV that is broadcast worldwide announcing everything we're going to do and what our end purpose is makes us look like total buffoons. I'm much like some of the other posters. Either drop a bomb on them when they don't have any idea it's coming or don't do it at all.


Good. They should look like fools, its a foolish idea and even their tv networks can't spin the video of hearings to make them look good. And good grief give me a break that all of these countries are waiting to gas their citizens and just waiting for the United States to do nothing so they can go ahead with their own mass genocide. How arrogant a notion that without the US bombing brown people all the time the ruthless dictators all over the world will kill everyone. (Not directed at you MBBF but the media and worldwide spin that they need the US to do something when we all know they will critisize the US 10 minutes later)

Galaxy 09-05-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2851768)
Yep. I lost 27 pounds in 4 months in Spain, and 18 pounds in 2 months in Japan. It's the diet and the higher activity level. Both cases, I came back to the US, and I ended up gaining all the weight back and then some (currently sitting around 210, and I was around 185 when I got back from Japan last summer after being 203 when I left).


Home cooking. Smaller meals. More active lifestyles.

Marc Vaughan 09-05-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2851843)
Home cooking. Smaller meals. More active lifestyles.


I've started home cooking far more (I've been trying to be 'active' for a fair few years now) - I'm also avoiding any American snacks, although I have imported a fair few English potato chips (Wotsits and Quavers being my favorites) sporadically (88-96 calories vs 200+ for the equivalent American pack) to stop my kids from rebelling against my healthy crusade ;)

Mizzou B-ball fan 09-05-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 2851853)
I've started home cooking far more (I've been trying to be 'active' for a fair few years now) - I'm also avoiding any American snacks, although I have imported a fair few English potato chips (Wotsits and Quavers being my favorites) sporadically (88-96 calories vs 200+ for the equivalent American pack) to stop my kids from rebelling against my healthy crusade ;)


MV: See, these are HEALTHY potato chips!

Sorry, made me chuckle. You're right that eating at home more often is by far the best way to control the calories.

Mizzou B-ball fan 09-05-2013 01:51 PM

dola

Ridiculous move by the IRS. Likely going to get rid of automatic gratuity at our events at the winery. Yet another way they're only hurting the little guy in the end. Businesses will just drop the practice so they don't have to account for it all. Wait staff will see a decrease in tips because people will get sticker shock at big dinners or events and will short the tip to avoid having to pay more than they already are.

IRS Rule Leads Restaurants to Rethink Automatic Tips - Yahoo! Finance

sterlingice 09-05-2013 02:06 PM

Damn them for, you know, making sure people actually report their taxes properly and not cheat as easily.

SI

sterlingice 09-05-2013 02:08 PM

Also, I am /shocked/ that yet again, the government does something and you blast them for making it harder for you to cheat your employees and pay your fair share be it by giving them automatic tips under the table or forcing you to give them health care.

SI

ISiddiqui 09-05-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2851868)
Damn them for, you know, making sure people actually report their taxes properly and not cheat as easily.

SI


LOL!!

Should we also tell Mizzou that tips are technically income and should be reported on 1040s?

DaddyTorgo 09-05-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2851865)
dola

Ridiculous move by the IRS. Likely going to get rid of automatic gratuity at our events at the winery. Yet another way they're only hurting the little guy in the end. Businesses will just drop the practice so they don't have to account for it all. Wait staff will see a decrease in tips because people will get sticker shock at big dinners or events and will short the tip to avoid having to pay more than they already are.

IRS Rule Leads Restaurants to Rethink Automatic Tips - Yahoo! Finance


Disagree with your last sentence. I don't think I know anybody who would get sticker-shock at a big dinner (and I've been to some big dinners) and short the tip. If anything, it's the opposite in my circle. We tend to overtip, and having the automatic 18% gratuity for large parties has probably led us to just consider that the tip and under-tip where as a smaller party we might tip 20% or so.

JonInMiddleGA 09-05-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2851885)
I don't think I know anybody who would get sticker-shock at a big dinner (and I've been to some big dinners) and short the tip.


Fwiw, I've seen it happen quite a bit at stuff of that sort, so I do get where he's coming from on that. People can & do flinch when they realize how much somebody was about to get for "a couple of refills & carrying a plate"

Coffee Warlord 09-05-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2851869)
Also, I am /shocked/ that yet again, the government does something and you blast them for making it harder for you to cheat your employees and pay your fair share be it by giving them automatic tips under the table or forcing you to give them health care.

SI


How is it in any way, shape, or form cheating his employees?

Servers will be forced to report their tips as income. Costing them money.
Employers will have to pay a payroll tax on that income. Costing them money.

Who is benefiting here, aside from the government?

rowech 09-05-2013 04:58 PM

The whole tipping industry is so bizarre. Why don't we tip on how many times somebody has to help me instead of the cost of food? Just always been a bizarre concept to me.

DaddyTorgo 09-05-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2851903)
Fwiw, I've seen it happen quite a bit at stuff of that sort, so I do get where he's coming from on that. People can & do flinch when they realize how much somebody was about to get for "a couple of refills & carrying a plate"


If you get sticker-shock at the cost of the tip then you shouldn't be going out to dinner IMO. Especially if it's a nice dinner/a huge group of people.

JonInMiddleGA 09-05-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2851916)
If you get sticker-shock at the cost of the tip then you shouldn't be going out to dinner IMO. Especially if it's a nice dinner/a huge group of people.


{shrug} I'm just confirming that it happens in this specific situation. And it's something I've heard servers talk about for years.

I don't control who goes out to dinner nor how they react to the bill nor the tipping custom.

Mizzou B-ball fan 09-05-2013 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2851916)
If you get sticker-shock at the cost of the tip then you shouldn't be going out to dinner IMO. Especially if it's a nice dinner/a huge group of people.


We don't have dinner in my case. We'd be talking about the alcohol bill. People will agree to have an open bar for a certain amount or all night long. Then at the end of the night, you present a bill for anywhere from $2,000-5,000 depending on the size of the event. Suddenly, the tip on even that $2,000 bill goes from $360 assuming a mandatory tip of 18% to a tip of $200 or 10% even when great service is provided. While $200 may be a good amount of money to any person, it doesn't work out well for our staff. It's a tough situation.

miked 09-05-2013 07:35 PM

I find that most of the time automatic tips = crappier service. The whole tip-based idea is so that if you get good service you can reward the server (who in turn rewards the busser, etc). If you get crappy service, you don't have to tip as much (fwiw, I usually tip 15% as a minimum but I've been tempted to hit 10% on a few).

sterlingice 09-05-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2851906)
How is it in any way, shape, or form cheating his employees?

Servers will be forced to report their tips as income. Costing them money.
Employers will have to pay a payroll tax on that income. Costing them money.

Who is benefiting here, aside from the government?


Yeah, I didn't do the best job of splitting up the subject and verb there so it got muddled:

Quote:

making it harder for you to cheat your employees and pay your fair share be it by giving them automatic tips under the table or forcing you to give them health care.

cheat your employees = forcing you to give them health care
pay your fair share = by giving them automatic tips under the table

Wages should be taxed as if they were from any other source. I can't possibly see what is wrong with a situation where an employee is put in the awkward position of being expected to not report all income because it allows the employer to pay them sub minimum wage.

It's the same with any labor black market, be it paying cash to construction workers or nannies or yard work. It drives the wages for everyone else down.

SI

Edward64 09-05-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 2851779)
Reading your quote from Kerry above it sounds more like a guarantee to pay if we put boots on the ground in a full scale government overthrow than for a missile strike.

#1: I agree with Dutch that we shouldn't start having other countries fund our military excursions. (American lives have always had a dollar value but never had it been made this clear)

#2: I agree with Dutch again... so what happens if they don't pay? More invasions?

#3: How much for a missile strike? How much for a bombing? How much for troops on the ground?

I give Kerry credit for at least half-answering the question instead of the normal DC dodge but the answer is still ridiculous. How are they going to pay for it out of the budget? Obviously the Arab countries are not going to pay for this.

I know the answer... more debt. I just want to hear it from the warmongers.


If similar to Libya
Here's How Much A Military Strike Against Syria Would Probably Cost - Business Insider
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The U.S. Navy fired 221 Tomahawks in operations against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in 2011, nearly half of them - 110 - in an opening salvo against 22 Libyan military targets, including air defenses, communications and command structures.

If U.S. forces used a similar number of missiles to hit Syrian targets related to chemical weapons use by President Bashar al-Assad's forces, the cost would top $100 million.

But its all dependent on the scope ...

Quote:

While Hagel estimated the cost of a Syrian operation at tens of millions of dollars at a House of Representatives hearing on Wednesday, Pentagon officials have declined to elaborate on his remarks or discuss costs further.

"I'm not going to get into specific numbers because I don't want to suggest that we have a precise picture of the military operation that would be conducted," Pentagon spokesman George Little told a briefing on Thursday.

He also declined to speculate on how the Pentagon would pay for such an operation at a time of tight budgets.

"This is in the national security interests of the United States," Little said. "When something is that important, we'll find a way to pay for it."

panerd 09-06-2013 07:11 AM

Of course. National Security. Want transparency in Washington DC? No chance, a gas attack on Syrians is at the utmost level of our national security! If we don't act now... oh wait what exactly is going to happen to threaten the national security of our country?

It's an old mantra, much like "for the children" for any sketchy law that is passed. Oh well at least I am getting Hagel's lie so I will multiply that by 10 and should be close to the actual cost. Couple hundred million. Cancel more White House tours, close the national parks, because bombing this Middle Eastern country should finally bring peace to the Middle East once and for all. Nothing could possibly backfire with these rebels. If only we had any similar overthrow that happened in the past 1-2 years in the Middle East.

Kodos 09-06-2013 08:12 AM

I like this guy's approach.

Arm and Shame - NYTimes.com

Marc Vaughan 09-06-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 2852108)
I like this guy's approach.


I liked the Onions suggestion of the 'offensive' consisting of sending all the politicans over there myself ;)

sterlingice 09-06-2013 12:38 PM

I second the aforementioned motion

Poll: Majority Of Americans Approve Of Sending Congress To Syria | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

SI

Marc Vaughan 09-06-2013 12:38 PM

Well this makes 'American Intelligence' look reliable if its true ...

Syrian Rebel admits to using Chemical Weapons

Disclaimer - I have no idea about the websites reliability at all; but I've seen other sites such as the BBC indicate it wasn't clear which side has been using the weapons.

tarcone 09-06-2013 05:09 PM

This one is probably the scariest foreign policy decision of my life. I was never real worried about any of the other "wars" we got into. There seemed to be international support. With Syria, I can see a major world conflict erupting. A WW3 type scenario.
Here is my worst case. And this is what worries me.


We bomb Syria or land troops or whatever other plan we have. Iran attacks Israel, Russia jumps in on Syrias side. North Korea sees an opening and invades South Korea. Japan jumps in on the SE Asia problem. UK has to become involved because they have to. China, worried about their U.S. holdings jumps on Russia. Or maybe sees an opportunity to own the U.s. and helps the Syria, Iran, Russia axis. And I see nukes in this one. End of world type of stuff.

Of I see bad things ahead. Lets just let it ride this time.
Or I could be paranoid.

Edward64 09-06-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 2852226)
We bomb Syria or land troops or whatever other plan we have. Iran attacks Israel, Russia jumps in on Syrias side. North Korea sees an opening and invades South Korea. Japan jumps in on the SE Asia problem. UK has to become involved because they have to. China, worried about their U.S. holdings jumps on Russia. Or maybe sees an opportunity to own the U.s. and helps the Syria, Iran, Russia axis. And I see nukes in this one. End of world type of stuff.


I can see Iran attacks Israel. I can see Russia supporting Syria but not direct confrontation with US (are their anti-aircraft any good?). North Korea probably can't invade South Korea but could lob a nuke.

Japan is pacifist. They'll hang back and protect home turf. UK will side with the US. Don't see China jumping on Russia or helping the Axis of Evil part deaux.

I don't see end of world but could see another market crash.

flounder 09-06-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 2852104)
It's an old mantra, much like "for the children" for any sketchy law that is passed. Oh well at least I am getting Hagel's lie so I will multiply that by 10 and should be close to the actual cost. Couple hundred million. Cancel more White House tours, close the national parks, because bombing this Middle Eastern country should finally bring peace to the Middle East once and for all. Nothing could possibly backfire with these rebels. If only we had any similar overthrow that happened in the past 1-2 years in the Middle East.


You're forgetting about the stimulus effect. We'll actually make money by bombing Syria.

Dutch 09-06-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 2852187)
Well this makes 'American Intelligence' look reliable if its true ...

Syrian Rebel admits to using Chemical Weapons

Disclaimer - I have no idea about the websites reliability at all; but I've seen other sites such as the BBC indicate it wasn't clear which side has been using the weapons.


All I know for sure now is that Syrians did it, so while our smart bombs are not going to be effective in this regard, the carpet-bombing B-52 will still suffice.

Daily bombings are a great way to lower their morale and get them to stop fucking around.

EDIT: I mean, as an alternative to doing nothing, that is.

Dutch 09-06-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2852227)
I can see Iran attacks Israel. I can see Russia supporting Syria but not direct confrontation with US (are their anti-aircraft any good?). North Korea probably can't invade South Korea but could lob a nuke.

Japan is pacifist. They'll hang back and protect home turf. UK will side with the US. Don't see China jumping on Russia or helping the Axis of Evil part deaux.

I don't see end of world but could see another market crash.


So what you are saying is that I should rethink my Disney investment?

Edward64 09-06-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 2852238)
So what you are saying is that I should rethink my Disney investment?


Yes.

I admire McCain for standing up for what he believes in and facing up with his constituents.

McCain again faces skeptical constituents at Syria-focused town hall - First Read
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McCain appeared to be bracing for opposition early in the town hall, urging questioners to be respectful even if they disagree with his views.

‘You can be as impassioned as you want to be, and as insulting as you want to be if that makes you feel better,” he joked. “But please be respectful in that we don’t interrupt each other.”

McCain also faced hecklers Thursday at two town halls in his home state.

“We didn't send you to make war for us. We sent you to stop the war," one man said as the crowd cheered.

Another man held a bag of marshmallows, comparing their texture to the resolve of members of Congress.

Marc Vaughan 09-06-2013 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 2852236)
All I know for sure now is that Syrians did it, so while our smart bombs are not going to be effective in this regard, the carpet-bombing B-52 will still suffice.
Daily bombings are a great way to lower their morale and get them to stop fucking around.
EDIT: I mean, as an alternative to doing nothing, that is.


This is something I seriously don't get about politics.

Chemical weapons are bad .... makes sense.

So to reinforce that Chemical weapons are bad its best to kill people using convention weapons (i.e. smart bombs etc.) regardless of collateral damage and death toll .....

I'm sure thats a great consolation to the dead, what killed them undoubtably makes all the difference to their families.

Seriously - as far as I can see its a dirty war on both sides in Syria - there are no 'good guys' and its not likely to stop regardless of whatever posturing or action America takes; so the only reason for America taking action appears to be in order to say they did.

Mizzou B-ball fan 09-06-2013 10:04 PM

Stuff like this just drives me crazy. Forget about where the money is being distributed. Why the hell are we giving $150M to the Palestinian Authority???????

Palestinian Authority takes $148M from US, doles out ‘grants’ to convicted terrorists | Fox News

Galaxy 09-07-2013 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2851813)
I watched some of the hearing the other day on TV. The entire thing looks ridiculous. Sitting there on a TV that is broadcast worldwide announcing everything we're going to do and what our end purpose is makes us look like total buffoons. I'm much like some of the other posters. Either drop a bomb on them when they don't have any idea it's coming or don't do it at all.


I think Obama is really digging himself in a hole. The Red line statement he made the other completely backtracks against what he CLEARLY said a year ago. His statement from August 2012:

“I have, at this point, not ordered military engagement in the situation. But the point that you made about chemical and biological weapons is critical. That’s an issue that doesn’t just concern Syria; it concerns our close allies in the region, including Israel. It concerns us. We cannot have a situation where chemical or biological weapons are falling into the hands of the wrong people.

“We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.”

Now, he said this statement this week:

“First of all, I didn't set a ‘red line,’ the world set a red line. The world set a red line when governments representing 98 percent of the world’s population said the use of chemical weapons are abhorrent and passed a treaty forbidding their use even when countries are engaged in war. Congress set a red line when it ratified that treaty.”

“My credibility is not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line. And America’s and Congress’s credibility is on the line.”

If you're going to take a stance, back it up. And then trying to spin a statement you clearly said a year ago on behalf of the US, then to switch the blame on the rest of the world, when they aren't supporting you, isn't going to work. Not a fan of trying to play all sides, and I think it really is making us look weak internationally, and makes him look weaker, and most importantly, he doesn't seem to have the support of his citizens on a grand scale. He's really painted himself in a corner, and one that could have big implications.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 2851853)
I've started home cooking far more (I've been trying to be 'active' for a fair few years now) - I'm also avoiding any American snacks, although I have imported a fair few English potato chips (Wotsits and Quavers being my favorites) sporadically (88-96 calories vs 200+ for the equivalent American pack) to stop my kids from rebelling against my healthy crusade ;)


Home cooking just tastes so much better too--provided you're using raw ingredients and can follow a recipe.

Are the restaurant portion sizes bigger here than they are in the UK?

bhlloy 09-07-2013 01:39 AM

Massively so, and also people just don't eat out as much in the UK as they do here. A restaurant or fast food was maybe once a month treat in our household and I don't think that was that unusual (maybe more so now)

Neon_Chaos 09-07-2013 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 2852226)
This one is probably the scariest foreign policy decision of my life. I was never real worried about any of the other "wars" we got into. There seemed to be international support. With Syria, I can see a major world conflict erupting. A WW3 type scenario.
Here is my worst case. And this is what worries me.


We bomb Syria or land troops or whatever other plan we have. Iran attacks Israel, Russia jumps in on Syrias side. North Korea sees an opening and invades South Korea. Japan jumps in on the SE Asia problem. UK has to become involved because they have to. China, worried about their U.S. holdings jumps on Russia. Or maybe sees an opportunity to own the U.s. and helps the Syria, Iran, Russia axis. And I see nukes in this one. End of world type of stuff.

Of I see bad things ahead. Lets just let it ride this time.
Or I could be paranoid.


May I ask, What SE Asia problem?

Solecismic 09-07-2013 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 2852226)
This one is probably the scariest foreign policy decision of my life. I was never real worried about any of the other "wars" we got into. There seemed to be international support. With Syria, I can see a major world conflict erupting. A WW3 type scenario.
Here is my worst case. And this is what worries me.


We bomb Syria or land troops or whatever other plan we have. Iran attacks Israel, Russia jumps in on Syrias side. North Korea sees an opening and invades South Korea. Japan jumps in on the SE Asia problem. UK has to become involved because they have to. China, worried about their U.S. holdings jumps on Russia. Or maybe sees an opportunity to own the U.s. and helps the Syria, Iran, Russia axis. And I see nukes in this one. End of world type of stuff.

Of I see bad things ahead. Lets just let it ride this time.
Or I could be paranoid.



I don't see it. Iran supports war-by-proxy against Israel, but won't initiate anything unless someone tries to bomb their nuclear facilities. Despite the rhetoric from the old religious guard, Iran likes the idea of progress as much as anyone in the region.

North Korea is all about North Korea. It's a volatile situation, but they know if they actually initiate an attack that destabilizes that region, that's the end of China's support. Best thing we can do there is quietly praise China for keeping the peace. Or more importantly, not doing anything to embarrass China.

I can't see any scenario where China initiates an attack against Russia. Too expensive for so many reasons, and I think the bottom line there is that there's still a lot of resentment and pain for what Japan did to them. They would be reluctant to be the aggressor.

Sadly, the biggest wild card here other than individual terrorist activity is whether the U.S. is willing to bomb Syria without international support. Then Russia will help Syria, but without committing troops. Syria's citizens take even more damage, and we'll eventually go home, tail between our legs. Hezbollah, with Iran's support, probably starts another round against Israel, most likely from Lebanon. Israel, hopefully, can defend itself without taking out what's left of Beirut from the last round.

The really shitty part of all of this is that a lot of people suffered under Mubarak in Egypt, and Assad in Syria is just as bad, if not worse. But the alternatives suck even more.

I don't know where Obama is going with this. He confused or pissed off just about everyone in the region over Egypt and Libya and I doubt he even knows it. Every adviser worth anything has long since left him to his own ego cocoon.

panerd 09-07-2013 07:17 AM

At least if you are against the war like me you know that Hollywood always takes a principled non-partisan stand on important issues like this. I love what Sean Penn had to say... " " and Tim Robbins was his usual brilliant " ".

Dutch 09-07-2013 07:50 AM

Mark Vaughn, I think you may be misreading me. I am in support of the elimination of chemical weapons from Syria as a first step. I could honestly say that I don't care to support limited, ineffective military strikes because it won't achieve that goal. So, if we don't go all out--first as a "united nations" and then as the lone world military super-power--then I say we do nothing (at least for now).

I do not support "pin-prick" strikes, embargos, no-fly zones, or other limited policing/limited political victory bullshit that does nothing to keep these weapons out of the hands of our true-adversaries (modern day international terrorists like Al Qaeda) that train on how to properly and effective strike fear into the hearts of everyone by any means necessary.

I find that the western European argument for "look away and do nothing" extremely disappointing after all the bemoaning after Iraq about limited involvement. That shows weakness on the part of the Europeans and Russians moreso than what Obama is experiencing by their rebuttal, to be honest. I was encouraged by the French willingness to support, however.

Until I see the "united nations" as willing to do something, rather than nothing, I support Obama's unilateralism effort. And until I see Obama explain the end state/goal of military strikes towards an acceptable end-game (the elimination of Syria's ability to use *or export* chemical weapons) then I don't support his efforts either. This is something that we have learned from Iraq and Afghanistan.

I realize it's tough to be a hard-ass on the world stage, but the Arab world is politically rigid right now and there is no room for anything but for us to dictate what they can and can't do with WMD's until they provide modern, responsible leadership for their people and their neighbors. The USA and Russians are playing a dangerous political game, but the reality is that the Arabs cannot be appeased and will never be appeased under the current hard-line ideology of terror-hostage based Islam rules. The Europeans and Russians would be wise to at least acknowledge that instead of pretending that the Syrians are the victims of "American aggression"...and we, as Americans would be wise to acknowledge that this fight doesn't end with some random cruise missile strike on a "pharmaceutical plant" in the Syrian desert.

Marc Vaughan 09-07-2013 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2852326)
Are the restaurant portion sizes bigger here than they are in the UK?


Yes hugely so - back home more emphasis is generally placed on 'quality' when eating out rather than quantity ... although I did notice in the last 5-10 years that a few lower rung establishments have started going with the 'larger' portions rather than better quality (Hungry Horse pubs etc.).

In a similar manner if you're vegetarian or similar eating out in the UK is a breeze compared to here (my wife watched a pro-veggie film the other night and is considering going back to being vegetarian, she was when we first met).


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