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Mizzou B-ball fan 07-23-2013 06:57 PM

Weinered again.......

Anthony Weiner admits to sending more lewd images, texts but vows to stay in mayor's race | Fox News

SirFozzie 07-23-2013 07:42 PM

The Tea Party has sponsored a primary candidate to replace Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, mostly because the Senate is barely functioning, as opposed to the House, which is completely non-functional.

Edward64 07-23-2013 09:23 PM

I like McCain the maverick.

Behind the Curtain: The new power triangle - POLITICO.com
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Barack Obama, to hear his advisers tell it, has finally found The One he has been looking for: John McCain.

“We have been looking literally for years for someone we can cut deals with, and finally someone has stepped up,” a White House official said. West Wing aides say they now talk with McCain roughly every other day.
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McCain, to hear fellow Republicans tell it, has finally found The Two he has needed to make such conversations worth the bother: Sen. Chuck Schumer, a Democrat who can actually get things done in the Senate, and Denis McDonough, a White House chief of staff who actually cares what senators say and think and do.

While Obama and party leaders clash endlessly and hopelessly, these three men are showing it is possible to put aside political and personal grievances to get consequential stuff done, even in Washington’s currently twisted state.

They would never say it this way, but more often than not, they do it by going around those party leaders — their bosses — who seem stuck in fights they will never be able to end.

This new alliance has resulted in an immigration bill and a deal to avoid the nuclear option for confirming nominees, and is in preliminary conversations to avert a government shutdown over the budget. It has created trust — tenuous but real — among these three officials (and others) who can deliver results
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The return of McCain the Maverick rankles many Republicans, but he can reliably count on seven to 10 GOP senators to back him, including Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, and Bob Corker and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee.


JonInMiddleGA 07-23-2013 10:08 PM

Everyone of the sorry bastards that back McCain on his consorting with the enemy can diaf right alongside the sorry son of a bitch afaic.

And they can take any & every bastard that backs amnesty right along with 'em. They're worse than dead to me.

ISiddiqui 07-23-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2843249)


Word. Took long enough for him to come back.

Shkspr 07-24-2013 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2843253)
They're worse than dead to me.


Hey, who isn't?

Autumn 07-24-2013 09:44 AM

Jon is kind of like a real-life Ron Swanson, anybody ever notice that? "Damn McCain for avoiding government gridlock and getting things done! I liked it better when nothing was happening!"

molson 07-24-2013 09:54 AM

That article reads like McCain is running for something soon and arranged a fluff piece. We haven't actually had immigration reform, or speedy confirmation of judicial nominees, or a long-term budget deal yet. So what are we praising exactly?

JonInMiddleGA 07-24-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 2843339)
Jon is kind of like a real-life Ron Swanson, anybody ever notice that? "Damn McCain for avoiding government gridlock and getting things done! I liked it better when nothing was happening!"


Nothing > something bad

(Borrowing from Molson's handy laundry list) Confirming unfit nominees, giving amnesty to criminals that ought to be given 30 days to repatriate themselves to their rightful country or shot on sight, and approving unacceptable budgets are not positives.

ISiddiqui 07-24-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2843349)
That article reads like McCain is running for something soon and arranged a fluff piece. We haven't actually had immigration reform, or speedy confirmation of judicial nominees, or a long-term budget deal yet. So what are we praising exactly?


This is how bad its gotten that someone willing to work with the other side is thought of as a heavenly event.

Ronnie Dobbs3 07-24-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 2843339)
Jon is kind of like a real-life Ron Swanson, anybody ever notice that?


I've always pictured Dale Gribble for some reason

KWhit 07-24-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2843253)
Everyone of the sorry bastards that back McCain on his consorting with the enemy can diaf right alongside the sorry son of a bitch afaic.

And they can take any & every bastard that backs amnesty right along with 'em. They're worse than dead to me.


You're adorable.

JonInMiddleGA 07-24-2013 11:17 AM

FWIW, I was already in close to full-blown vein popping rage mode at the fluff pieces I'd on that p.o.s. and some of his cronies just shortly prior to dropping into the thread. I actually hit the FOFC to try to lower my b.p. instead of raise it ...and stumbled right onto the same subject.

molson 07-24-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2843396)
This is how bad its gotten that someone willing to work with the other side is thought of as a heavenly event.


I just don't see what's so great about being "willing to work with the other side" when the practical effect is the same as if they hadn't.

molson 07-24-2013 09:18 PM

Kind of an interesting vote today whether to limit NSA funding. The Republicans support the president on this slightly more than Democrats, but there's a split in both parties.

Congressional Bills and Votes - NYTimes.com

JPhillips 07-26-2013 10:08 AM

Provisions in the post pre-clearance NC voting law. What do they all have in common?


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Require voter ID at polling places.

Reduce the early voting period from 17 days to 10 days.

Prohibit counties from extending poll hours by one hour on Election Day even in extraordinary circumstances, such as in response to long lines. (Those in line at closing time would still be allowed to vote.)

Eliminate pre-registration for 16- and 17-year-olds, who currently can register to vote before they turn 18.

Outlaw paid voter registration drives.

Eliminate straight-ticket voting.

Eliminate provisional voting if someone shows up at the wrong precinct.

Allow any registered voter of a county to challenge the eligibility of a voter rather than just a voter of the precinct in which the suspect voter is registered.

Mizzou B-ball fan 07-26-2013 10:26 AM

Pretty funny stuff here. The IRS Employees Union is asking all workers to submit letters to Congress asking that they not be included as a group required to adhere to the new Obamacare laws/policies. Link contains the form letter they're asking them to submit.

National Treasury Employees Union -- Ask your members of Congress to oppose HR 1780.

Favorite part is where they tell them in bold letters not to use their government e-mails in their submission. You'd hate for Congress to see that you're lobbying for self-benefit. That just never happens.

AENeuman 07-26-2013 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2843809)
Provisions in the post pre-clearance NC voting law. What do they all have in common?


This will get overturned by the courts, right?

Edward64 07-27-2013 06:17 AM

Just another data point on premiums.

Maryland Touts Low Obamacare Health Insurance Premiums
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Health coverage sold on Obamacare's health insurance exchange in Maryland will be among the cheapest in the country, state officials said Friday.

A 21-year-old nonsmoker will be able to buy health insurance that costs as little as $93 a month on the Maryland Health Connection, the state's health insurance exchange, starting Oct. 1 for coverage that takes effect Jan 1, the Maryland Insurance Division revealed in a press release. Rates for insurance with richer benefits and lower deductibles will be higher and premiums will vary by age, residence location, tobacco use and whether family members enroll.

Maryland is the latest state to disclose how much health insurance actually will cost under President Barack Obama's health care reform law. The state joins California, New York and elsewhere in achieving monthly premiums below estimates by the Congressional Budget Office and others. Officials in states including Indiana have released preliminary findings suggesting health insurance costs will skyrocket as a result of the law.


DaddyTorgo 07-27-2013 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman (Post 2843867)
This will get overturned by the courts, right?


Of course. The thing is it likely won't get overturned by the courts before it has a negative effect in at least 1 voting cycle, which is what they're banking on.

All of these laws and means to restrict voting rights are really shameful in this country given our history.

Mizzou B-ball fan 07-28-2013 09:22 AM

Amazing to see how common these are anymore. I'm working with a group as part of the development of our property. They have four other properties that they are working on right now in other locations. They just put out the following for the other four properties in a listing.

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(Development group) is hiring a part time property manager (20 – 25hrs/week) and a 3/4th time maintenance person (25 – 30hrs/week) for our XXXXXXX Senior Residences project in XXXXXXX.

Basically, they're hiring all staff for their developments in a way to avoid Obamacare requirements. I'm actually writing up a budget for our facilities. The main staff consists of a couple full time managers and a few full time nurses. The rest of the staff is all 29 hour shift managers and maintenance staff.

Four years ago, I actually created a preliminary budget for the same project. All of the positions were full time positions. We never even considered hiring people for 29 hours a week. It's amazing how this bill has dumped low and medium wage hiring practices on their head.

sterlingice 07-28-2013 09:38 AM

This is no different than that a lot of work has been changed to temp work over the last decade to avoid paying any sort of benefits. This isn't new and isn't the "Obamacare" boogieman. The only difference is that instead of having to sneak in people under 32 hours before, it's 30.

SI

Mizzou B-ball fan 07-28-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2844101)
This is no different than that a lot of work has been changed to temp work over the last decade to avoid paying any sort of benefits. This isn't new and isn't the "Obamacare" boogieman. The only difference is that instead of having to sneak in people under 32 hours before, it's 30.

SI


We never even considered a 32 hour employee under the previous budgets. We were willing to pay those benefits. This is a different beast IMO and I'm not the only one changing hiring practices in that regard.

Also, some note that it doesn't take effect until 50 employees. That doesn't really change things even if you're under that number. You don't want to ignore the policy if you only have 38 employees and then have to go back and change your employee deals later when you hit that 50 person limit during expansion. You have to assume that your business is going to continue to grow and plan accordingly. I've already done so with my current staff hirings because I know that I'm going to reach 50+ in roughly two years.

Izulde 07-28-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2844101)
This is no different than that a lot of work has been changed to temp work over the last decade to avoid paying any sort of benefits. This isn't new and isn't the "Obamacare" boogieman. The only difference is that instead of having to sneak in people under 32 hours before, it's 30.

SI


This. Even before Obamacare this was particularly widespread in the casinos out in Vegas and in the retail industry in general.

PilotMan 07-28-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2844106)
This. Even before Obamacare this was particularly widespread in the casinos out in Vegas and in the retail industry in general.


When I worked at Home Depot 13 years ago they were transitioning from a company that was known for hiring specialists in the field to work in the various departments, pay them 15-20 bucks/hr that they used to build their reputation. In that transition they only wanted to hire part time employees to cut costs because of slipping margins, and intense competition from Lowes and Menards. It's nothing new.

It has been happening all over retail for years now. Frankly, it's Capitalism at work.

molson 07-28-2013 10:53 AM

Obamacare has to be giving momentum to something that's already been a trend though. I'm just not sure that's a bad thing. Isn't one of the not-spoken-about goals of Obamacare to be another step in the transition away from the old insurance-through-employers model? Small business owners like MBBF are kind of being used as a tool to bring more people into the fold of government healthcare.

I saw a chart a while ago about the decline of full-time jobs, and it's something that's been consistent and steady since about the 70s no matter who was president or no matter what policies were in place. I see it more as an inevitability than just a categorically terrible thing. In the future, more and more people will only work 20-30 hours, and they'll need to rely more on the government for things like healthcare Hey, maybe in the future we'll all work a little less and get more free stuff. That might not be the worst thing ever. If we can get past the idea that every adult has to have a full-time job at all times or else there's something wrong. Maybe are technology has advanced enough that we really just don't need that as a society. The concept of "employment" may just become more and more a luxury for the best and brightest who have the most to offer. It makes sense that our society and economy just doesn't need as many people slaving away hour after hour as we did in 1900. That's a good thing.

Mizzou B-ball fan 07-28-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2844116)
In the future, more and more people will only work 20-30 hours, and they'll need to rely more on the government for things like healthcare. Hey, maybe in the future we'll all work a little less and get more free stuff. That's not the worst thing ever.


Or they'll be more likely to hold down two part-time jobs, as most of my current staff already does.

molson 07-28-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2844118)
Or they'll be more likely to hold down two part-time jobs, as most of my current staff already does.


Do you think the government should regulate businesses and encourage/require them to hire only full-time people, even if that makes no sense for the bottom line of your business?

sterlingice 07-28-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2844118)
Or they'll be more likely to hold down two part-time jobs, as most of my current staff already does.


And who is making the decision to hire them part-time? Blame big bad government all you want but you're the one writing the checks.

SI

Mizzou B-ball fan 07-28-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2844119)
Do you think the government should regulate businesses and encourage/require them to hire only full-time people, even if that makes no sense for the bottom line of your business?


Personally, I think that most of the gov't programs should not be collected at the business level. Pay the people their wage and then allow them to budget accordingly for insurance or whatever else they want.

Obviously, full time only makes no sense at all.

Mizzou B-ball fan 07-28-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2844121)
And who is making the decision to hire them part-time? Blame big bad government all you want but you're the one writing the checks.

SI


I'm not hiring nearly as many part time if there aren't bad policies from 'big bad government' that encourage that line of thinking.

sterlingice 07-28-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2844123)
I'm not hiring nearly as many part time if there aren't bad policies from 'big bad government' that encourage that line of thinking.


I thought you were responsible for your own actions. Are you the one who gets to choose whether to hire people full time or aren't you?

How is this anything other than an illustration of "I'm hiring part timers because I want more profit and using the government as an excuse as to why I'm doing it"?

SI

Mizzou B-ball fan 07-28-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2844124)
I thought you were responsible for your own actions. Are you the one who gets to choose whether to hire people full time or aren't you?

How is this anything other than an illustration of "I'm hiring part timers because I want more profit and using the government as an excuse as to why I'm doing it"?

SI


Ah, this is fun.

Market rate is the ultimate decider. I can't tell people I'm hiring at $5/hr just because I want to make money. I have to hire at the rate that someone else is hiring for a similar spot. Obviously, that ebbs and flows depending on industry, demand, supply, etc. But when you have government mandating costs, that definitely cuts into what you have left to pay the wage and/or how you hire people.

There's more costs associated with government programs than just the direct cost. It's going to be cheaper to do it in the free market if you allow it to happen.

sterlingice 07-28-2013 11:25 AM

You are correct if you moralize greed. If the market is sacrosanct and say profit is the ultimate driver, then, yes- there's no other conclusion you can reach.

SI

Marc Vaughan 07-28-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2844127)
There's more costs associated with government programs than just the direct cost. It's going to be cheaper to do it in the free market if you allow it to happen.


There are also a lot more 'costs' associated with part-time employment than just those paid by employers - in most countries* part-time employee's generally lean on state provisions for benefits (whether healthcare, income, pension or housing related) to make up for their lack of provision through their employer ...

I've seen many employers moan about being costs of employees being forced upon them - however I'd argue that its fairer they pay that then force those costs to be paid by the rest of society just so they can reap a profit.

*This is definitely the case in England, I've heard that its also the case in America as Walmart employ part-time specifically to avoid having to provide healthcare etc. - however I have less knowledge regarding the US side of things.

sterlingice 07-28-2013 11:33 AM

You mean socialize the loss, privatize the profits, and then complain about the government?

SI

molson 07-28-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 2844129)
There are also a lot more 'costs' associated with part-time employment than just those paid by employers - in most countries* part-time employee's generally lean on state provisions for benefits (whether healthcare, income, pension or housing related) to make up for their lack of provision through their employer ...

I've seen many employers moan about being costs of employees being forced upon them - however I'd argue that its fairer they pay that then force those costs to be paid by the rest of society just so they can reap a profit.

*This is definitely the case in England, I've heard that its also the case in America as Walmart employ part-time specifically to avoid having to provide healthcare etc. - however I have less knowledge regarding the US side of things.


That's why I'm not sure this isn't an intended part of Obamacare. It's just kind of a funny mechanic, to use the MBBFs of the world to push more people into government healthcare and other government benefits. MBBF thinks he's giving the middle finger to the government, but in reality, he's making the government bigger, and strengthening arguments for increasing the minimum wage.

Mizzou B-ball fan 07-28-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2844130)
You mean socialize the loss, privatize the profits, and then complain about the government?

SI


I can summarize your statement by saying 'hold people accountable for their own actions and allow them to reap the benefits of their hard work', but of course that immediately gets sent into the 'you aren't interested in the common good' pile, which isn't the case.

JonInMiddleGA 07-28-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2844133)
and strengthening arguments for increasing the minimum wage.


There is no reasonable nor justifiable argument for that.

None.

Marc Vaughan 07-28-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2844134)
I can summarize your statement by saying 'hold people accountable for their own actions and allow them to reap the benefits of their hard work', but of course that immediately gets sent into the 'you aren't interested in the common good' pile, which isn't the case.


I agree with accountability - that's why I believe in corporations paying taxes to the government of the countries they operate within rather than dodging their responsibilities.

Why should corporations pay taxes - simply put they rely on the countries government subsidised infrastructure (education, road infrastructure, policing etc.) and as such should contribute towards its upkeep and future.

(I also believe in corporations not being subsidised to employ people when they're reaping huge profits already - ie. Oil corporations, Walmart etc.)

ISiddiqui 07-28-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2844133)
That's why I'm not sure this isn't an intended part of Obamacare. It's just kind of a funny mechanic, to use the MBBFs of the world to push more people into government healthcare and other government benefits. MBBF thinks he's giving the middle finger to the government, but in reality, he's making the government bigger, and strengthening arguments for increasing the minimum wage.


If the Administration was more devious, I'd say they were trying to insure that Single Payer Healthcare was going to happen within the next 20 years due to disapproval of business tactics in the wake of Obamacare. Because it really does seem that this is going to backfire on businesses and have people demand a 'public option' on exchanges (when middle class folk will have to go on the exchanges, then all of a sudden they'll be all for it - when its just seen as the poor's alone, then its socialism, when its then, then its for fairness ;)) and the rest.

Edward64 07-28-2013 03:00 PM

I am mixed about this but leaning towards Obama not doing this. I guess to me it depends on how bad the pensions would be hit and would prefer the upper end pensioners to take the hit more than the average joe. The precedence would be scary.

Can someone explain if state workers typically get pension vs social security as alluded to below?

Detroit bankruptcy: Retirees ask Obama, Congress for pension help - Encore - MarketWatch
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In today’s political climate, the odds of Washington approving another Detroit bailout seem about as good as those of Carlos Danger winning New York’s mayoralty as a write-in, but public-sector unions are giving it their best shot. The AFL-CIO, whose member unions represent some of Detroit’s 21,000 retired city employees, issued a statement Thursday urging President Obama and Congress to approve federal aid that would keep retirees from facing pension cuts as part of Detroit’s Chapter 9 bankruptcy proceedings.

The White House hadn’t responded yet to the AFL-CIO statement as of Friday afternoon, but the Obama administration is seen as unlikely to try to act on Detroit’s behalf; Republican senators, meanwhile, have introduced legislative amendments this week explicitly barring Congress from directing special aid to Detroit or any other financially troubled city, as Megan R. Wilson notes today in the political newspaper The Hill.

Though details are far from being hammered out, parties on all sides of Detroit’s financial debacle have assumed that any bankruptcy plan will result in cuts to public-sector pensions. City pension officials say that the average municipal pensioner receives about $19,000 a year, and that firefighters and police officers – who don’t qualify for Social Security – collect about $30,000 annually. Since Detroit’s is the largest municipal bankruptcy ever filed, public-sector workers in other financially shaky communities are eyeing the proceedings nervously to see what kind of precedent it might set, as MarketWatch’s Chuck Jaffe writes in a column today.


molson 07-28-2013 03:07 PM

Maybe the other AFL–CIO members should bail them out. Or GM.

Dutch 07-28-2013 03:08 PM

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I guess to me it depends on how bad the pensions would be hit and would prefer the upper end pensioners to take the hit more than the average joe.

Why is that?

Edward64 07-28-2013 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 2844165)
Why is that?


I don't see any culpability from the pensioners especially if investing in pension plan is the norm vs social security for state employees.

I don't understand (maybe no one knows yet) the degree of reduction. 5-10% sure, if it becomes 50% its a different story for me.

The story states pension average of $30K. I don't find this excessive. However, I'm willing to bet there are some upper end state pensioners getting much more, so if possible, would prefer to target them first.

Dutch 07-28-2013 03:21 PM

If everybody was promised a pension based on the level of effort they put into their careers and all agreed, why punish those who did more?

molson 07-28-2013 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2844166)
However, I'm willing to bet there are some upper end state pensioners getting much more, so if possible, would prefer to target them first.


If you look at a list of a city's highest-paid employers most are usually veteran police, firefighters, and education administrators. And I doubt there's enough making even six figures to wipe out Detriot's debt-problem if you disproportionately went after them. And there's something a little off-putting about treating a career public servant like an evil CEO or something. The difference between well-paid and low-paid public employees is a lot less than it is in the private sector.

Edward64 07-28-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 2844167)
If everybody was promised a pension based on the level of effort they put into their careers and all agreed, why punish those who did more?


Whether right or wrong, bigger bang for the buck by targeting the upper end pensioners.

I think the argument is not what is contractually agreed to but who can do with less to lessen the pain that don't have as much.

Edward64 07-28-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2844170)
If you look at a list of a city's highest-paid employers most are usually veteran police, firefighters, and education administrators. And I doubt there's enough making even six figures to wipe out Detriot's debt-problem if you disproportionately went after them. And there's something a little off-putting about treating a career public servant like an evil CEO or something. The difference between well-paid and low-paid public employees is a lot less than it is in the private sector.


I think you are right, I have not been able to find info on the count/spread of the pensions other than the $30K in the article ...

There are some outliers, but probably not enough to make a significant difference.

Dutch 07-28-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2844172)
Whether right or wrong, bigger bang for the buck by targeting the upper end pensioners.

I think the argument is not what is contractually agreed to but who can do with less to lessen the pain that don't have as much.


If it's all one team, then everybody should do with less equally.


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