Taylor Swift has officially endorsed Harris. I for one, welcome our Swiftie overlords.

Signing her endorsement, "Childless cat lady" was a nice touch.

I'm going to do something painful and give credit where credit is due. Other than the trans-gender illegal aliens bit, Trump said absolutely nothing that was remotely interesting. He gave me nothing that amped up the volume (or adrenaline?).

And that's something. He (mostly) stayed in his lane. Didn't do anything outlandish or say anything remarkable.

He gave me no reason to vote for him or think he was qualified to do the job. At least Harris seemed to have some ideas, and I appreciated that.

That said, my vote has always been between Harris and throwing it away on a third party..but tonight pushed me closer to voting for Harris, because I think coming out of the debate that she at least has some ideas for solving the economy. (And I'm in that weird place where my month-to-month isn't what I'd call great, but the stock market keeps telling me that my retirement is pretty secure, so I'm not in what I'd call a bad place...but an improvement in the month-to-month wouldn't hurt.)

The problem for Trump is that I think he *has* to keep raising the stakes to stay relevant, whether or not any of that pans out. So at the end of the day, I'd say that staying in his lane and trying to appear presidential was probably a loser for him. In his case, it really is better to burn out than to fade away, because that's the bar he's set for himself.

Nitpicking your post, I know, but I would consider a former and potential president saying migrants are eating their neighbors pets outlandish and remarkable.

I may actually hold my nose and vote for Harris this election. Not because I like her, but because Trump/Vance is just so fricken terrible.

A key point missing in a lot of post debate analysis is that Trump’s claim about immigrants eating pets almost perfectly syncs up to the piano in the Peanuts theme song. pic.twitter.com/6icWLe1sPN

— Noah Garfinkel (@NoahGarfinkel) September 11, 2024

You think I'm a Democrat? lol. It's true I haven't voted for an R since 2016 and I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I'm far from a registered Dem. There are plenty of things the Dems do that I detest, but when I look at the Trump R party I vote what, in my view, is best for the country, and that ain't Donald.

I've thought the "party atmosphere" since Harris was nominated is way too optimistic. Trump has more lives than a cat. I'll believe Harris won when she's declared the winner and not until.


It's not unreasonable, but one also has to live in the world we are in now. In this world protest votes or blank ballots can result in a woman losing the choice of what they do with their body among many other things. There are consequences, this is the reality.

What is it you think Democrats will do to restore reproductive rights? They have had control of the executive and legislative branch many times and done nothing.

And why do you think what they would do justifies supporting genocide?

Fair enough. I'd heard that story earlier in the day, so it didn't seem so outlandish to me.

I would 100% agree that a presidential candidate repeating that story in a debate should be outlandish...but here we are in 2024.

Sometimes it feels weird to think that if George H.W. Bush was running for president today, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, given how opposed to him I was in the 1980s.

I'm an old man who doesn't think about abortion much. Those days are behind me...and if I'm honest, I've never been pro-abortion, but I always limited that to I'd personally never have one (or want my wife to have one)... but I also hold a theological position that maintains that sin (and I absolutely believe that abortion as prophylaxis is a sin) shouldn't be a legislative issue.

Rare, safe, and legal may be a myth, but it's a myth I believe in.

But I also say that as a guy whose (now ex) wife had multiple miscarriages, and the last miscarriage was technically an abortion because they needed to clean things up so that we could ultimately have our youngest son. Life is complicated. But I wouldn't trade the life of my youngest son for any set of principles that would have precluded his having been born in the first place.

Did you even listen to her answer on this issue compared to his? I wont debate you on Biden but there is a clear difference on this issue with these two candidates.

These were all things that Trump said or talked about (saw it listed elsewhere):

She hates Israel
She hates Arabs
Transgendered criminal sex changes in prison
Immigrants eating dogs
Orban likes me and thinks I’m strong
They are doing after birth abortion
I have the concept of a plan (regarding replacing the ACA)
I hate solar, but I am a fan of it.
Biden hates her

So crazy that he has a 50% shot of being president again.

I know what her answer is. How does she propose passing that bill without 60+ Senate seats?

I got that same impression (though I think there was a few more insane statements than that). I think we might just have become too accustomed to his insanity. Of course almost everything he said was ridiculous, but it was also stuff I heard him say before so many times. I came away from watching thinking she did decently well, and Trump did same old same old. Then I look at the reactions and think "Did I just miss it?" No, I think it is more just what I had grown to expect.

She did a masterful job of giving him the perfect amount of rope to hang himself.

It is bigger than that. Caitlin Clark liked the post! They are so over. Meanwhile Elon...

perhaps one of the creepiest posts of all time pic.twitter.com/Ewgyps3Txn

— beer person (@CantEverDie) September 11, 2024

really doing a great job of shaking that weird label

Welp, reality has set in and we are at the red zone. I think Kamala has a decent chance of winning it.

Hopefully, her team has a plan to work with the Swifties. I like Swift's statement, basically I've done my research, you do yours, and get out to vote. Hope that resonates.

Trump said last night that he doesn't know if he will debate again because he won last nights debate, and that he wants a Fox News moderated debate if does. He doesn't want Martha McCallum & Bret Baier as moderators, either. He wants Hannity, Waters or Ingraham.

I had a much better time catching up on a couple of episodes of Top Chef Wisconsin last night. Nothing that was said or done was going to change my vote, and I detest the sound of Trump's voice as if he was Fran Drescher in The Nanny, so there was no way in hell I was watching. But, I'm glad she did well and he was himself. Although that's unfortunately worked out pretty well for him in the past.

From what I'm reading this morning, the GOP/right-wingers are falling all over themselves claiming moderator bias. I don't know because I didn't watch, but I'm sure Harris made a couple of comments that push the boundaries of truth, or lacked context, etc. I wish the moderators had a plan to call out a couple of those so they had a counter for that. The simple answer is we fact-checked what was obviously wrong and fact-checking Trump is like shooting fish in a barrel, but I'm sure the RW media can find several instances where Harris probably should have been corrected or a statement given more context.

In any event, she's more than proven that she can lead and is a far better candidate than Trump. In a country with its head screwed on straight, this would be a laugher of an election, but... here we are.

I thought that it was a mistake for Biden to decide to stop competing for the nomination.

I thought that if he did choose to stop competing that the Dems would have a shit-show blitz primary that would end up pissing off everyone and leave the "winner" so damaged that they'd lose the general in a landslide.

I was wrong on both points.

Leroy Bickerstaff thought Trump was great in the debate.

FWIW, my dog is older and I can't imagine that appetizing, so I think I'll risk it and vote straight ticket GOP.

DJT has dropped over $3/share since the opening bell. And in the PredictIt markets Harris opened up a wide gap last night

I didn't watch the debate, so I just realized that she managed to get him to go on the dog rant when he was asked a softball question about the border. The moderator gave him a chance to explain his opposition to the bi-partisan bill (which is an answer his handlers had to have prepped for him). But she chose that moment to suggest he was boring, and that was it.

Hide your cats, hide your dogs -- Antoine Dodson

I know everyone is assuming he won't debate again, but doesn't he have to? How else will he turn things around given that there is less than two months before the election and lots of early voting starting soon?

Vice President Harris did something that none of Trump's debate opponents were ever able to do in 2016, 2020 and 2024. Not Hillary Clinton, not Marco Rubio, not Jeb Bush, not Chris Christie, not Nikki Haley. Nobody.

She punched the bully in the mouth over and over again, goaded him into self-destructive comments, and let him hang himself. It was a masterpiece of manipulation, the likes of which I've never seen anyone else do to Trump.

Yeah, I'm reading some analysis and she did that over and over. On fracking, she slipped in that he was given his money and declared backruptcy and he took the bait, barely mentioning her fracking flip-flop but defending how great a businessman he is.

DeShaun Watson and Trump apparently shared the same masseuse at once I guess.

Nice try on trying to make this about supporting genocide. :popcorn:

Maybe if the D's that either "protest voted", left the line blank, or simply didn't vote in 2016 because, Bernie got screwed and Hillary was going to win anyway, had voted we still have Roe. Restoration wouldn't be needed. That's the risk one take with a protest vote. Sure, one could say Trump wasn't a known quantity and the assumption their protest vote wouldn't make a difference was the norm in 2016. But in 2024?

Feel free to come back with the tired old "Hillary was a terrible candidate" response, but do keep in mind she won the popular vote. Maybe the lesser of two evils, but would never have done the damage that Trump did.

From your posts it seems you think both parties are the same so, in your view, it doesn't matter. I'm only suggesting the woman, minorities, LGBTQ, that liberals care so much about may have a harder time because of protest voters no matter how justified they feel. Maybe that pregnant woman being forced to carry a fetus with no chance of survival to term, or the one who's life is in danger because a doctor can't perform a procedure to save her without risking jail etc. etc. etc. might think more about a protest vote than you do and how it affected her life?

At the end of the day the protest vote isn't changing the policy of either candidate in 2016 or 2024. However in 2024 it could have a big affect on who's going to be President and how the people that liberals care about are treated. Before Maga and the extreme right taking hold a protest vote wasn't really going to make a difference. It's a different world now, but yeah protest all you want, it's your right. But please don't be naive enough to think there won't be consequences that will do more to hurt liberal causes then help them if Harris doesn't win.

Completely disagree. They didn't normalize trump which is good. They didn't fact check either on any comment within the realm of reality but callling him for talking aboit dems killing babies and eating pets needs to happen.

If it wasnt that his supporters would have found something else

THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS pic.twitter.com/lQqMW5l8pT

— Tarquin ���� (@Tarquin_Helmet) September 11, 2024

This. It was fun to look at her face while Trump was responding. She appeared to be loving every word he was saying.

The most glaring thing for me last night was that this isn't the same Trump that ran in 2016 and 2020. There was a lot of showmanship between the lies and everything in the past. Now he's just old and angry. He looks like a man running because he feels he has to rather than a man running because he wants to be president. He had a couple of prepared moments that fell flat because he was just so unhinged throughout the debate (trying to steal the "I'm speaking" bit from the Harris/Pence debate and "I took a bullet to the head").

Props to the Kamala debate prep team. She looked well prepared, polished, and is the first person that we've seen really attack Trump and get him on his heels rather than allow it to become a Donald Trump show.

Fox News sounded defeated after the debate. It was like an emperor has no clothes moment for them, and I'm sure a lot of people. My wife is in AZ right now and was at the Dback/Rangers game during the debate so she wasn't watching or following. I mentioned last night her step dad texted her that Trump lost the election because he was so bad last night. My wife and I briefly spoke after the game and I tried to put into perspective how bad it was and she just said "if (Stepdad's name) said Trump lost I can just imagine how bad it had to be".

We still have a little less than 2 months before election day but early voting ballots should be going out soon. I'm sure we're going to see the Trump campaign and the right wing news machine get on the same page for excuses for last night and try to at least keep the base energized. We still have a relatively long way to go until November 5th and if this was anyone other than Trump it would be over, but you can't count him out because he's a 47% candidate with a 45% floor.

The Alf memes coming today are amazing. So is using the clip from ET where he's dressed as a woman for illegal aliens getting gender change surgeries.

I was watching her more than him and you could tell she knew she had him before he knew. It was amazing. That being said I’m still not sure it changes much.

So what’s her strategy now? Do a round of interviews and go for the KO or try and ride this momentum to a win?

Ads, ads, and more ads using his own words. Continue with rallies as it does help build excitement. Now that voters have been more introduced to Kamala it's a good time to start hitting the interview circuit. She doesn't have to change much at this point.

Trump is backed into a corner and rather than do damage control he's going to attack everything. It's how he operates. He has to work to get his base energized because he lost a significant amount of excitement and engagement last night. His base is easy to get back on track but I'm not sure what he does to get independent and undecideds back.

I think I posted elsewhere, but in case I didn't.. I will believe Harris is the winner when the announcement is officially made and not before.

I don't mean she knew she won the election, I mean she knew he fell for her traps before he knew he was being trapped.

Thats 100% for sure. As someone said, Trump has a low floor and as like Rainmaker illustrates, theres still lots of voters who secretly kind of want Trump to win to teach the dems a lesson for not lining up completely on their own beliefs.

You could tell that one really got under his skin...

The Harris campaign just pinned a post that said "Our new ad just dropped" and it is the whole unedited debate.

The PredictIt markets flipped right after he yelled the thing about dogs.

Apparently at the 9/11 memorial today, trump was smiling and winking at photographers and bystanders while the rest of the crowd were having a moment of silence.

This is the man that confused 7/11 for 9/11 at one of his rallies.

Looking for the eclipse, I imagine.

Democrats controlled the Presidency, House, and Senate for the first 2 years of the Biden administration. They controlled it for the first 2 years of the Obama administration. There was no effort to codify Roe. And even after it was overturned, there was no effort to provide more abortion access. It's just empty rhetoric. They should absolutely run on it since they don't have anything else, but it's just a carrot on a stick.

Better judges would be great. But I personally can't overlook genocide. Many can because they don't view the people being killed as people. But you can't expect everyone to have that same lack of empathy. Especially young people who have better access to the videos coming out of the region.

The "lesser of two evils" strategy isn't working. It's only shifted the Democrats to the right. They're now bragging about a Dick Cheney endorsement (a far worse human being than Trump) and building the border wall. We're 8 years out from Mayor Pete talking about Haitians eating cats during a town hall. At some point it's on the candidates to earn your vote and not continue to support unpopular policies.

No they didn't. And in fairness, they didn't really fact check Trump either outside of the few outrageous things he said. So Kamala got away with a few lies and Trump got away with like 400 lies. And I don't blame the moderators on that because fact-checking him would have taken up most of the debate.

According to NPR over 300k people have visited vote.org directly from swifts link.

And for the love of God can this country take it easy on the Haitians for once. They've been the go-to for KKK propaganda for decades and we just screw them over in Haiti and when they come here for a better life. I know it goes back hundreds of years but it'd be nice to go a few decades where we don't just make their lives hell.

Literally centuries :) We helped enforce France's slaveowner reparations right from the start of their revolution. It took Haiti like 125 years to pay off this debt.

Codifying Roe as a law prior to the SCOTUS decision would have weakened abortion rights. It would have gone from a right to a law that the GOP could overturn.

ummmmm

JD Vance on Fox News: We admire Taylor Swift's music, but I don't think most Americans are gonna be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who I think is fundamentally disconnected from the interests and the problems of most Americans pic.twitter.com/h2OqPNvnq9

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 11, 2024

This isn't true at all. We know most, almost all, of the party is going to vote for Harris regardless of her stance on Gaza. How much of the electorate will she lose? One percent? Less? Two percent? I hope we can agree that she isn't losing huge amounts of votes from people who would otherwise support her.

So play out switching positions. How much support does she gain? How much does she lose? Again, not huge numbers but I think it's very likely she loses as much or more than she currently will. That's the political problem, and there's no answer to this that won't upset a small, but admittedly important in a close election, constituency.

Yeah, she's not stupid/crazy enough to have that kind of influence over Americans.

I don't think we should necessarily be running the numbers on how many votes committing genocide will bring in for a candidate. But if that's how you view it, it's an incredibly unpopular position in the party and among moderates. Why you would want your candidate to choose unpopular positions is beyond me but this is also the party that said Biden was doing great.

You don't believe this. Obama literally ran on codifying Roe and then changed his mind right after he was elected as to not "inflame division". And if liberals truly thought it was better handled by the courts, why did they scream at everyone on the left who said RBG should retire?

It seems clear to me Kamala does not agree with Biden's handling of the situation and would like it to stop. Now whether she can do that, idk but its contrast to trump who ppenly says he wants israel to wipe them out.

It was a mistake to re-engage with you.

Bye.

Sorry but you're arguing that the Democrats didn't make it a law because they trusted the courts to keep it a right despite decades of efforts to overturn it. There is a reason no one has made that excuse before. Just do what Obama did and say it wasn't a priority.

Dems never had the votes in Senate. Getting the ACA passed took a massive amount of work and there was more support in the Senate among dems for that than abortion at the time.

Dems deserve some blame for failures here but I'd put it more on anti-abortion Senators and RBG than Obama.

Yeah, I got your point and agree that the debate itself doesn't really change much and certainly didn't mean Harris is now the runaway favorite. I still see it as 50/50, so while she handled him like no other has, I won't let that make me be over optimistic about November.

Some more anecdotal evidence from last night. My wife is visiting her grandparents in AZ and they're Trump flag in the front yard MAGA republicans. Her grandpa said after the debate that he has a lot to think about and her grandmother said she can't see herself voting for Trump now.

Were her grandparents in a coma the last 8 years?

Nah just lifetime republicans that live in the Fox News circle. 99% of the bad shit Trump says and does doesn't make it there or isn't discussed with any depth so they're in that group that's just oblivious to a lot of the shit he's done. It sounds like last night was a "holy shit this is bad" moment for them.

I'd be surprised if her grandpa doesn't fall back into voting for Trump, but my guess is grandma goes 3rd party. Grandpa is a vet, though, and my wife did kind of hammer him on J6, Arlington, threatening to deploy troops against US citizens, and other stuff and she said he was quiet for quite some time after that.

Classic gaslighting

I love the idea that codifying Roe would've solved everything as if SCOTUS wouldn't have overturned the law that codified it.

In this alternate reality we find ourselves in, which last week had former Vice President Dick Cheney endorse Kamala Harris, we now have this from Republican strategist Karl Rove:

“But there’s no putting lipstick on this pig. Mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as ‘dumb as a rock’. Which raises the question: What does that make him?”

Republican Karl Rove says Trump got ‘crushed by a woman he called dumb as a rock’ during ‘train wreck’ debate

Dead Prez is saying not to vote for Kamala because of Gaza.

A professor I know basically saying the same thing.

I probably have more friends who have said they won't vote to support a genocide, than have said they will vote for Kamala.

My circle is pretty far left though, don't know how representative it is of the electorate at large.

Based on 2016 and 2000, I wouldn't be surprised if there are enough folks like that to lose. We'll see.

As a Democrat, I enjoyed yesterday. Today, back to the reality of the fact that this will still be a very close election decided by less than 100,000 voters concentrated in swing states.

It is really sad what the Haitians have had to go through. Terrible leadership with the US to blame, and then horrific natural disasters. They are a group of people that really deserve a break.

From what I saw of my circle of online people, a large number that had been against voting for Biden because of Gaza flipped once Harris became the candidate. Several have become pretty strong proponents of Harris, running fundraisers and volunteering. Only a couple have continued to withhold support, and even they are not nearly as vocal post-Biden.

Making abortion rights a law would have forced a crisis during the Trump admin. They would have overturned the law or just decided to stop enforcing it. It would have gone to the courts and maybe abortion rights win maybe they don't.

There's no one simple trick to make it impossible for the GOP to take your rights away.

If that is the case I'll just have to look at the bright side.

I'm not a woman. LGBTQ, or a minority. I am retired with a decent low middle class life style retirement account. With Trump running things money won't be spent on environment, energy prices will be low. By the time the climate truly goes to hell I'll be in the ground. He'll give tax cuts worth millions a year to his class, but I'll at least get some crumbs, ie an extra $20 a week to spend on me. And I'll get all of these benefits even though I voted for Harris.

Life for me under Trump isn't going to be all that bad. All I really have to do is turn off the news, stop reading threads like this one, and no longer tell friends, family, and folks I know, how terrible Trump is. I'm too old to continue wasting my time on that. Since I live in a Trump state I won't have to worry about federal money being cut off, we'll always be taken care of. I'll feel empathy for many groups that will suffer, but I won't feel any guilt after spending 8 years trying to get rid of the Orange asshole. I've done all I can do.

Good luck to your friends on the far left if Harris loses.

PredictIT is a single market. A better indicator is electionbettingodds.com, which is a compilation of the various betting markets. They update the odds every minute. She's up 51.6% to 47.2% right now in the betting markets.

https://electionbettingodds.com/

My wife has a coworker that's Korean and named her dog Dinner because she got tired of the jokes about eating pets when she first moved to America. They're all remote workers so I told my wife that for the good of thr country she needs to investigate whether or not she's actually Haitan.

People keep acting like her support for genocide is normal and popular. It's not. Most of this country wants it to end and the overwhelming majority of Democrats and Independents want it to end.

Harris is the extremist in her own party on this issue. Not surprising from a party celebrating endorsements from Dick Cheney.

Trump announced today he is launching his own crypto. So if haven't already lost your life savings on his media group, here is your opportunity to lose the rest.

You keep repeating that line. She is not the president. Have you never worked in place with a hierarchical structure? Im not in politics but ive worked in many schools with a principal and assistant principal and while the AP often works harder and longer, the principal has say over things and makes all the relevant decisions. And frankly I think Biden listens to many others ahead of her anyway.

Or are you of the opinon that every single democrat politician loves genocide and should never be voted for the rest of their lives?

Apparently Springfield town hall had to be evacuated after several bomb threats. Good old loving maga.

Everyone on this board loves genocide as well, by simply suggesting the issue is more complicated than some make it out to be. It doesn't matter what your stance is, if it's not the exact same as RM's then you're pro genocide.

maybe Logan Paul will let me trade my crypto zoo tokens for this

and don't you dare ever suggest the alternative would be worse for the people of Gaza.

The GOP VP candidate just vamping about how we are in a new civil war against the Yankees like he’s an Auburn freshman after a 3am bong rip at a frat houses Robert E Lee Day party. Wild. https://t.co/RE4qY14y1G pic.twitter.com/8lbQZPMrY3

— Tim Miller (@Timodc) September 12, 2024

All she has to say is she will no longer send arms to Israel to continue their genocide. I don't expect her to stop it now while she is not President. But she can say she will stop it when elected. It would be a huge political win.

I don't know what every Democrat believes but I personally will never vote for anyone who supports and funds genocide. The Overton Window has shifted so much with this "lesser of two evils" strategy that the Democrats are hailing support of Dick Cheney as a feather in their cap.


It's complicated to you and some others because you don't view those being killed as people. Just like during the Iraq and Afghanistan war that many liberals supported.

Trump just put out a message that he will not take part in another debate. Odd strategy to leave voters with the image of you getting dogwalked on a stage for 2 hours by your opponent.

Has anyone been following this Laura Loomer stuff too? I guess I'd say I'm shocked she's so close to Trump but they seem to be going full 4chan for this election.

It's complicated because our government has a responsibility to keep our citizens safe, first and foremost. Israel is an ally that that has arguably the best intelligence service in the world and supplies us with research and technology. They were a critical ally during the Cold War and they're our top check on Iran. There's a lot to consider when it comes to providing anything other than assistance.

And you have no idea how I see anything. To claim otherwise is the same bigoted bullshit you see coming from the right on a daily basis. One could easily claim you must be a supporter of genocide and the outrage you have toward Gaza is fake because you don't show the same support for Yemen, where far more people have died in a war that's been going on for far longer.

Spare me the moral outrage until you're consistent with it.

I have repeatedly said we should not be involved in Yemen and should not be selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.

And the "keep our citizens safe" is utter bullshit. Israel has executed a number of American citizens (and our allies) of late and they have been ignored by our government. They just shot an American citizen in the head the other day. The administration will do nothing about it because Israel is valued more than American citizens.

And the "best intelligence service" in the world didn't foresee an attack on October 7th by the most surveilled people in the world locked in a concentration camp they control. The same intelligence service that told us that Saddam had WMDs. Something that led to the deaths of thousands of Americans and a million innocent civilians. They're an "ally" because it makes evangelicals, neocons, and bigots happy. In 10 years you'll pretend you never supported them.

What are you doing to stop the genocide in Gaza, RM, besides a) posting here, b) saying you'll vote for a third party and c) relentless criticizing the candidates running against the guy who, of all the candidates, is the biggest supporter of Bibi?

So what's your solution to the gaza situation?

I think we all hear that you believe the Democrats are supporting genocide and you will never support a candidate that votes for genocide. You have said it on just about every page of this thread over the past 5 or 6 months. We all know where you stand.

I've generally agreed with you about a lot of things over the years, enjoyed your posts, and hate to see you spiraling like this, but you are really getting out of line in lumping everyone that has a different worldview than you into one big pile of people that love genocide and the politicians that support them. You aren't changing anyone here's opinions of the issue, but you are making it seem like your view is the only view and making people lose respect and tolerance for you.

Without trying to be rude and appreciating that you have been going through some really tough personal stuff, I would love to see you acknowledge that your point has been made very clearly, accept that other folks hear you and that their views do not completely overlap with you, and get back to talking about things that we all really value from you (for me, I think of you as really knowledge in business owning, small business, and lots of sports and political views and have always enjoyed reading your posts). You have been on this board for a long time and had, in my opinion, a really good reputation, but you are turning into a caricature of yourself with how dead set you have been on making your point. You can stand by your principles and you can think less of others that do not share them to the exact minutiae, but I really hope you will consider easing up on the topic a little bit. We all get it and hear you.

Same guy who asked me why I wasn’t flying to Ukraine to pitch in on the front lines, fwiw.

Swaggs - I understand what you're saying but we aren't talking about student loan repayment or an infrastructure bill here. I view funding this genocide as one of the most despicable acts of foreign policy in this country's history. I don't really know how you're supposed to act. If we were funding the Nazis in the 40's, I would hope people would speak up instead of saying "well the other candidate would gas them harder".

And as someone who would like to see a stronger left, I think their stance is going to hurt the party dramatically and cost them elections. Not just now, but in the future as younger people don't support this. The numbers are overwhelmingly against it. If you truly believe that fascism is on the rise and this country is at risk from MAGA, you should be irate about their stance on this.

I guess I'm upset that people here who at one point stood up against bigotry and violence under Trump would support it now because it's a Democrat in charge. But partisan politics can change people's stances quickly.

Stop sending weapons and aid to Israel as long as they continue to commit genocide and other atrocities. They will stop. Reagan and Bush did it.


Sorry, but I find it cowardly to force people to fight a war for you. Ukraine has forced conscription.

This Trump/Laura Loomer stuff is weird as shit.

Taking her to the 9/11 memorial was a disgrace. The fact that a party nominee for President is traveling with and taking advice from someone spouting off blatant racist bullshit about his opponent is insane, but that's where we are with Trump.

I can't wait to hear from my wife's stepfather on how divisive Obama was and how democrats are the extremists some more.

Posted without a hint of irony.

Also, Reagan and Bush didn't stop sending anything. They delayed
a couple of shipments and a loan by a month or two. Biden also, similarly, paused a shipment of bombs. There was also no political blowback at the time because in the early 80s and early 90s no one in the US cared about the middle east or gave it much thought. Senate didn't care, the House didn't care, and the general public certainly didn't care then.

This is just more of your politics and diplomacy is as easy as 1, 2, 3 stuff.

One of my cousins just posted this on Facebook, and I have to admit, it's kind of funny.