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Drake 09-10-2024 05:46 PM

Am I not understanding correctly, or is Tim Pool's defense that he was merely a fellow traveler in the Russian media plot?

Are we really that far from the McCarthy hearings that conservatives are now arguing that it's okay to be a fellow traveler/unwitting asset/useful idiot as long as you've got plausible deniability?

Lathum 09-10-2024 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 3441979)
Am I not understanding correctly, or is Tim Pool's defense that he was merely a fellow traveler in the Russian media plot?

Are we really that far from the McCarthy hearings that conservatives are now arguing that it's okay to be a fellow traveler/unwitting asset/useful idiot as long as you've got plausible deniability?


Conservatives openly support Russia.

Drake 09-10-2024 05:56 PM

Also, corollary to the County Chicken Conundrum 2024: the public discussion has now entered the "why are some no-name elected officials making these decisions instead of us directly voting on them?" stage of the debate.

Indiana's constitution doesn't have a provision for voter referendums.

So it appears that we're just complaining about the concept of representative democracy in general because we've elected a bunch of RINOs.

Except for the guy who actually lives in Texas but owns property in the county who keeps threatening to drive up and blow up the courthouse if this thing actually passes. He seems to understand representative democracy, at least.

RainMaker 09-10-2024 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 3441979)
Am I not understanding correctly, or is Tim Pool's defense that he was merely a fellow traveler in the Russian media plot?


Yeah, they're all going with the "oh shucks, I thought being paid $100k by a shadowy group for a single YouTube video was totally normal" defense. They all knew but since they're white, wealthy, and well-connected, nothing will happen to them.

Radii 09-10-2024 07:42 PM

I get that rainmaker can be abrasive but "I'm sorry, I draw a hard line at voting for genocide and both candidates are equally funding that, and the 'lesser evil' is actively shitting on protestors during our only opportunity to try to drag the party platform even a smidgen to the left" isn't the most unreasonable take in the world. I think hearing that and making the dismissive judgments that many are making is a bit much.

It's just not that much to ask of a candidate to not openly fund and arm a genocide, and if none of them can do that, maybe I make a protest vote or leave my ballot blank in the top spot.

larrymcg421 09-10-2024 08:00 PM

He doesn't draw a hard line at that, though. He spent months (and years in the case of Pritzker) saying the Dems should nominate a bunch of Zionist candidates who were to the right of Harris on the issue.

At this point, it just feels like performative hipster anti-Dem rhetoric.

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:08 PM

He has told 7 lies in 30 seconds

Atocep 09-10-2024 08:11 PM

Trump seems like he took a sedative before he went out. #lowenergy

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:17 PM

He is already getting close to resorting to name calling. He can't control himself

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:19 PM

Trump just said Walz claims execution after birth is OK. Do people actually believe this BS?

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:22 PM

Biden would have pivoted to immigration again. Harris kicked his ass.

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:23 PM

Woah - that was quite a tangent. Dementia shining through.

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:24 PM

He's getting rattled and starting to spew nonsense

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:26 PM

Trump is a leader on fertilization. Everyone says that.

RainMaker 09-10-2024 08:27 PM

He misses Biden so much.

The clip of hin bragging about overturning Roe should be played on a loop in Harris ads.

Atocep 09-10-2024 08:29 PM

She just baited him hard on the rally thing.

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3441996)
She just baited him hard on the rally thing.


big time....

Atocep 09-10-2024 08:30 PM

Holy shit he just went with pet eating.

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:30 PM

She's baiting him over and over again and he can't help but take the bait.

Now we're off on a tangent on his favorite issue.

NobodyHere 09-10-2024 08:30 PM

They're eating our pets!

Atocep 09-10-2024 08:31 PM

Good god Trump looks bad so far.

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:31 PM

I mean, anyone with a brain has to know this is nonsense....

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:32 PM

A Biden-esque performance from Trump tonight.

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:34 PM

So Trump, who constantly brags about only hiring the best people, is now bragging about firing people....

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3442003)
A Biden-esque performance from Trump tonight.


How did we ever get here...

RainMaker 09-10-2024 08:36 PM

She's like 10 minutes away from baiting him into using the n-word.

Atocep 09-10-2024 08:38 PM

Baited again. "I'm winning most of them" isn't the best message to send when you're running for president and the topic is felony indictments.

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:38 PM

ABC bending over backwards to let Trump rant and rave some more.

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3442008)
ABC bending over backwards to let Trump rant and rave some more.


yup, and I am not sure I hate it...

Mota 09-10-2024 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3442006)
She's like 10 minutes away from baiting him into using the n-word.


I'm not watching the debate at all, but you just won the internet with this line. :)

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:42 PM

"got handed 400 million dollars then declared bankruptcy 6 times....."

hahahahahahah

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3442009)
yup, and I am not sure I hate it...


The more he talks the crazier he gets.

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:45 PM

Transgender operations on illegal aliens in prisons is something

Atocep 09-10-2024 08:45 PM

This is painful to watch. Can Trump's team end this like they did the black journalist interview?

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3442014)
This is painful to watch. Can Trump's team end this like they did the black journalist interview?


eh....

Will it matter?

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:47 PM

Rally or whatever you want to call it.

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:48 PM

hahahaha

So Trump is asking why the BLM people haven't been held accountable and he was president at the time!

Mota 09-10-2024 08:48 PM

Go on Twitter after this and you'll still see all the blue checkmarks talking about how he schooled her. And Elon posting memes about eating pets.

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:51 PM

He cut into the question for this response!

Lathum 09-10-2024 08:52 PM

lol.

Trump losing Hannity, Waters, and Ingram as an example of people who have debunked stories about Trump

Atocep 09-10-2024 08:53 PM

We're at the old man yells at cloud portion of the debate.

NobodyHere 09-10-2024 08:53 PM

Did Trump really say that people shouldn't doubt the integrity of elections?

HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:55 PM

He'll take the bait on the 'he got fired by 81 M voters' line and it will be glorious

Atocep 09-10-2024 08:55 PM

Good god, she just eviscerated him.

Atocep 09-10-2024 08:55 PM

And now he's invoking Victor Orban's support as a positive.

Flasch186 09-10-2024 08:56 PM

Citing victor orban is awesome


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HerRealName 09-10-2024 08:58 PM

Instead we get 'the dictator loves me' speech

NobodyHere 09-10-2024 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3442025)
And now he's invoking Victor Orban's support as a positive.


Well if you have Victor Orban on your side, what else do you need?

Thomkal 09-10-2024 09:00 PM

I like the moderators doing the immediate fact checks

Atocep 09-10-2024 09:00 PM

Spheres of tera

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:01 PM

He is seriously using Orban as an example of support?

We have so many low information voters...

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:03 PM

Yelling Biden hates her is not a great look

BYU 14 09-10-2024 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3442031)
He is seriously using Orban as an example of support?

We have so many low information voters...


I was like, that's his response??? Orban? Wow. If this was a fight it would be on the verge of getting stopped.

BYU 14 09-10-2024 09:04 PM

She is so poised and he looks ready to stroke out, I would say this was a great night for Harris, she can just play defense now.

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3442033)
I was like, that's his response??? Orban? Wow. If this was a fight it would be on the verge of getting stopped.


I was thinking to myself about 20 minutes ago she seems to be setting him up for a KO

RainMaker 09-10-2024 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3442031)
He is seriously using Orban as an example of support?

We have so many low information voters...


She did use Cheney who is worse.

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3442036)
She did use Cheney who is worse.


Warping context is your superpower.

RainMaker 09-10-2024 09:07 PM

He sounds like a drunk guy calling into sports radio after his team got trounced.

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:10 PM

OMG

He actually said he thinks Putin wants her to win...

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3442038)
He sounds like a drunk guy calling into sports radio after his team got trounced.


spot on

NobodyHere 09-10-2024 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3442037)
Warping context is your superpower.


The "top superhero power" was the final question of opinionation tonight.

Atocep 09-10-2024 09:11 PM

It's funny the more worked up he gets the more his NY accent comes out.

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:13 PM

The more he references Biden the more insane he sounds and she just nailed him on it

BYU 14 09-10-2024 09:13 PM

"You're not running against Joe Biden, you're running against me" simple, but effective at just kicking all the bullshit he spouted over the last two minutes to the curb.

Atocep 09-10-2024 09:15 PM

Is he weaving right now?

Edward64 09-10-2024 09:15 PM

Kamala is doing a decent job. Trump is Trump

NobodyHere 09-10-2024 09:15 PM

Trump is starting to sound like Rainmaker

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:16 PM

and there he goes

Atocep 09-10-2024 09:24 PM

He got visibly uncomfortable with the question about her being black.

Atocep 09-10-2024 09:25 PM

"They come up with things....like she just said"

"They pled guilty...and then they pled they're not guilty"

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:29 PM

Guys...

They are working on replacing Obamacare

Atocep 09-10-2024 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3442051)
Guys...

They are working on replacing Obamacare


He has concepts of a plan.

kingfc22 09-10-2024 09:29 PM

“You still don’t have a plan”. LMAO!!!

HerRealName 09-10-2024 09:30 PM

"I have concepts of a plan" was the line of the night.

RainMaker 09-10-2024 09:31 PM

I'm glad she defended the Afghanistan withdrawal. It was the right decision.

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:31 PM

I truly do not know how so many people fall for the BS. The only explanation is we truly are that dumb as a nation

GrantDawg 09-10-2024 09:33 PM


CrimsonFox 09-10-2024 09:35 PM

I am so happy to see such a full group of people here. *hugs you all*

"I'm glad you're here. Here at the end of all things." -- Frodo Baggins, Lord of the Rings

kingfc22 09-10-2024 09:37 PM

Love when Trump self projects. It’s a personality trait he can’t prevent himself from doing.

Going on about how “Biden” is personally profiting off of other countries. Ummm…sir that is you.

GrantDawg 09-10-2024 09:42 PM


BYU 14 09-10-2024 09:45 PM

How many times is he going to mention fracking, when it is abundantly clear she is fine with it.

kingfc22 09-10-2024 09:46 PM

Gloom and doom, nuclear weapons, what a vision…yawn.

Atocep 09-10-2024 09:46 PM

He's going to attack and blame the moderators for shitting the bed tonight.

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:47 PM

Jake Tapper-- It was like a 4 chan post come to life....lol

BYU 14 09-10-2024 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3442063)
He's going to attack and blame the moderators for shitting the bed tonight.


Already happening.

RainMaker 09-10-2024 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3442063)
He's going to attack and blame the moderators for shitting the bed tonight.


That will be his excuse for no more debates.

larrymcg421 09-10-2024 09:53 PM

FOX News is saying Kamala won the debate.

Even Hannity just blamed the moderator and didn't try to make an argument that Trump won.

Lathum 09-10-2024 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3442067)
FOX News is saying Kamala won the debate.

Even Hannity just blamed the moderator and didn't try to make an argument that Trump won.


Wow.....That is insane

Thomkal 09-10-2024 10:03 PM

So I didn't watch live, did the moderators fact check Harris too? on what?

Atocep 09-10-2024 10:05 PM

My wife's super Trumpy, Texas living step dad just told her that Trump just lost the election and we're doomed.

NobodyHere 09-10-2024 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3442069)
So I didn't watch live, did the moderators fact check Harris too? on what?


Well they didn't have as much opportunity with Harris as they did with Trump. For example Harris didn't claim that immigrants were eating our pets.

Lathum 09-10-2024 10:07 PM

Scott Jennings on CNN is slamming Trump, that isn't good for him

Lathum 09-10-2024 10:08 PM

CNN Reporting Swift just endorsed Harris. Amazing timing.

NobodyHere 09-10-2024 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3442073)
CNN Reporting Swift just endorsed Harris. Amazing timing.


It's over. Trump won't be able to Shake It Off.

Lathum 09-10-2024 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3442074)
It's over. Trump won't be able to Shake It Off.


He's coming off a cruel summer

Jas_lov 09-10-2024 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3442069)
So I didn't watch live, did the moderators fact check Harris too? on what?


I don't remember them fact checking her but she didn't say anything insane. They fact checked him on the pet eating thing and the they're killing babies after they're born. Attacking the moderators means they know Trump lost. It was pretty bad.

PilotMan 09-10-2024 10:18 PM

Where are these "spheres of terra" or "spheres of Tara" located exactly?

Thomkal 09-10-2024 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3442077)
I don't remember them fact checking her but she didn't say anything insane. They fact checked him on the pet eating thing and the they're killing babies after they're born. Attacking the moderators means they know Trump lost. It was pretty bad.



Thanks

Drake 09-10-2024 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3442013)
Transgender operations on illegal aliens in prisons is something


This was the most memorable moment of the debate for me. My GF literally stopped playing games on her phone and said, "What the fuck is he even talking about?"

I said, "He's talking about getting back at the aliens for all of those anal probes they've done on Americans since the '50s" and she said, "Oh, that makes sense."

PilotMan 09-10-2024 10:23 PM

She's done everything asked of her in the debate. She's a strong candidate, she's well spoken, she understands leadership.

He is a dangerous narcissist, who is a terrible human being, who is really only interested in himself.


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