Am I not understanding correctly, or is Tim Pool's defense that he was merely a fellow traveler in the Russian media plot?

Are we really that far from the McCarthy hearings that conservatives are now arguing that it's okay to be a fellow traveler/unwitting asset/useful idiot as long as you've got plausible deniability?

Conservatives openly support Russia.

Also, corollary to the County Chicken Conundrum 2024: the public discussion has now entered the "why are some no-name elected officials making these decisions instead of us directly voting on them?" stage of the debate.

Indiana's constitution doesn't have a provision for voter referendums.

So it appears that we're just complaining about the concept of representative democracy in general because we've elected a bunch of RINOs.

Except for the guy who actually lives in Texas but owns property in the county who keeps threatening to drive up and blow up the courthouse if this thing actually passes. He seems to understand representative democracy, at least.

Yeah, they're all going with the "oh shucks, I thought being paid $100k by a shadowy group for a single YouTube video was totally normal" defense. They all knew but since they're white, wealthy, and well-connected, nothing will happen to them.

I get that rainmaker can be abrasive but "I'm sorry, I draw a hard line at voting for genocide and both candidates are equally funding that, and the 'lesser evil' is actively shitting on protestors during our only opportunity to try to drag the party platform even a smidgen to the left" isn't the most unreasonable take in the world. I think hearing that and making the dismissive judgments that many are making is a bit much.

It's just not that much to ask of a candidate to not openly fund and arm a genocide, and if none of them can do that, maybe I make a protest vote or leave my ballot blank in the top spot.

He doesn't draw a hard line at that, though. He spent months (and years in the case of Pritzker) saying the Dems should nominate a bunch of Zionist candidates who were to the right of Harris on the issue.

At this point, it just feels like performative hipster anti-Dem rhetoric.

He has told 7 lies in 30 seconds

Trump seems like he took a sedative before he went out. #lowenergy

He is already getting close to resorting to name calling. He can't control himself

Trump just said Walz claims execution after birth is OK. Do people actually believe this BS?

Biden would have pivoted to immigration again. Harris kicked his ass.

Woah - that was quite a tangent. Dementia shining through.

He's getting rattled and starting to spew nonsense

Trump is a leader on fertilization. Everyone says that.

He misses Biden so much.

The clip of hin bragging about overturning Roe should be played on a loop in Harris ads.

She just baited him hard on the rally thing.

big time....

Holy shit he just went with pet eating.

She's baiting him over and over again and he can't help but take the bait.

Now we're off on a tangent on his favorite issue.

They're eating our pets!

Good god Trump looks bad so far.

I mean, anyone with a brain has to know this is nonsense....

A Biden-esque performance from Trump tonight.

So Trump, who constantly brags about only hiring the best people, is now bragging about firing people....

How did we ever get here...

She's like 10 minutes away from baiting him into using the n-word.

Baited again. "I'm winning most of them" isn't the best message to send when you're running for president and the topic is felony indictments.

ABC bending over backwards to let Trump rant and rave some more.

yup, and I am not sure I hate it...

I'm not watching the debate at all, but you just won the internet with this line. :)

"got handed 400 million dollars then declared bankruptcy 6 times....."

hahahahahahah

The more he talks the crazier he gets.

Transgender operations on illegal aliens in prisons is something

This is painful to watch. Can Trump's team end this like they did the black journalist interview?

eh....

Will it matter?

Rally or whatever you want to call it.

hahahaha

So Trump is asking why the BLM people haven't been held accountable and he was president at the time!

Go on Twitter after this and you'll still see all the blue checkmarks talking about how he schooled her. And Elon posting memes about eating pets.

He cut into the question for this response!

lol.

Trump losing Hannity, Waters, and Ingram as an example of people who have debunked stories about Trump

We're at the old man yells at cloud portion of the debate.

Did Trump really say that people shouldn't doubt the integrity of elections?

He'll take the bait on the 'he got fired by 81 M voters' line and it will be glorious

Good god, she just eviscerated him.

And now he's invoking Victor Orban's support as a positive.

Citing victor orban is awesome


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Instead we get 'the dictator loves me' speech

Well if you have Victor Orban on your side, what else do you need?

I like the moderators doing the immediate fact checks

Spheres of tera

He is seriously using Orban as an example of support?

We have so many low information voters...

Yelling Biden hates her is not a great look

I was like, that's his response??? Orban? Wow. If this was a fight it would be on the verge of getting stopped.

She is so poised and he looks ready to stroke out, I would say this was a great night for Harris, she can just play defense now.

I was thinking to myself about 20 minutes ago she seems to be setting him up for a KO

She did use Cheney who is worse.

Warping context is your superpower.

He sounds like a drunk guy calling into sports radio after his team got trounced.

OMG

He actually said he thinks Putin wants her to win...

spot on

The "top superhero power" was the final question of opinionation tonight.

It's funny the more worked up he gets the more his NY accent comes out.

The more he references Biden the more insane he sounds and she just nailed him on it

"You're not running against Joe Biden, you're running against me" simple, but effective at just kicking all the bullshit he spouted over the last two minutes to the curb.

Is he weaving right now?

Kamala is doing a decent job. Trump is Trump

Trump is starting to sound like Rainmaker

and there he goes

He got visibly uncomfortable with the question about her being black.

"They come up with things....like she just said"

"They pled guilty...and then they pled they're not guilty"

Guys...

They are working on replacing Obamacare

He has concepts of a plan.

“You still don’t have a plan”. LMAO!!!

"I have concepts of a plan" was the line of the night.

I'm glad she defended the Afghanistan withdrawal. It was the right decision.

I truly do not know how so many people fall for the BS. The only explanation is we truly are that dumb as a nation

I am so happy to see such a full group of people here. *hugs you all*

"I'm glad you're here. Here at the end of all things." -- Frodo Baggins, Lord of the Rings

Love when Trump self projects. It’s a personality trait he can’t prevent himself from doing.

Going on about how “Biden” is personally profiting off of other countries. Ummm…sir that is you.

How many times is he going to mention fracking, when it is abundantly clear she is fine with it.

Gloom and doom, nuclear weapons, what a vision…yawn.

He's going to attack and blame the moderators for shitting the bed tonight.

Jake Tapper-- It was like a 4 chan post come to life....lol

Already happening.

That will be his excuse for no more debates.

FOX News is saying Kamala won the debate.

Even Hannity just blamed the moderator and didn't try to make an argument that Trump won.

Wow.....That is insane

So I didn't watch live, did the moderators fact check Harris too? on what?

My wife's super Trumpy, Texas living step dad just told her that Trump just lost the election and we're doomed.

Well they didn't have as much opportunity with Harris as they did with Trump. For example Harris didn't claim that immigrants were eating our pets.

Scott Jennings on CNN is slamming Trump, that isn't good for him

CNN Reporting Swift just endorsed Harris. Amazing timing.

It's over. Trump won't be able to Shake It Off.

He's coming off a cruel summer

I don't remember them fact checking her but she didn't say anything insane. They fact checked him on the pet eating thing and the they're killing babies after they're born. Attacking the moderators means they know Trump lost. It was pretty bad.

Where are these "spheres of terra" or "spheres of Tara" located exactly?

Thanks

This was the most memorable moment of the debate for me. My GF literally stopped playing games on her phone and said, "What the fuck is he even talking about?"

I said, "He's talking about getting back at the aliens for all of those anal probes they've done on Americans since the '50s" and she said, "Oh, that makes sense."

She's done everything asked of her in the debate. She's a strong candidate, she's well spoken, she understands leadership.

He is a dangerous narcissist, who is a terrible human being, who is really only interested in himself.