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If they wanted it to stop, they would stop giving them weapons. |
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Looks like attacks in the West Bank have intensified too. Dropping tear gas from drones and bulldozed a monument for the American journalist that was executed a year ago.
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This is yhe end...my only friend. The end |
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Not much on the ground coverage since communications have been severed but these are some extraordinary shots.
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Israel is pretty much allin on this and say they won't stop until all of hamas is dead....no ceasefire no nothin
and....I still have no idea what is going on. I mean Hamas is a terrorist organization right? But who says they are just sitting in gaza in one place with a sign saying "all the humasians are here". So israels plan is just bomb everything in gaza, bombombomb and this makes no sense at all oh yeah and they won't stop bombing everything and everyone until the hostages are returned I...uh....i just can't... |
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From a purely logical, dispassionately viewing all the facts objectively polnt of view, how many wars in the history of humanity do make sense? |
See at about 4:40. Weird thing to fess up to.
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Pretty sure saving the hostages is secondary to eliminating Hamas. This is a kill everything approach. |
Think we knew this last night but CNN is making it official
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Meanwhile in the West Bank.
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And in Gaza.
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This board really hates big formats.
I read a comment from a previous Israeli PM that said his expectation is that the IDF is trying to make a buffer corridor in North Gaza, then use that as base to continue incursions into Gaza until the "end of the way". His estimate is 6 months to 5 years. I have a hard time believing they are going to be able to have that long an extended attack without their support collapsing. The only thing that is keeping their Western allies with them is the fear any weakness in support would be a green light for their neighbors to openly join in the fight (they already are through proxies). An extended engagement plays right into Hamas and Iran's hands. Really all of this does. They might have finally set off the war between the Muslim world and the West they have always dreamed of. |
Fantastic article by a former IDF soldier. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/28/o...-veterans.html
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Unfortunately, found dead. Israeli-German Shani Louk's remains found, family confirms - Israel News - The Jerusalem Post Quote:
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Are there any other civilians in gaza still alive?
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Are there any reporters they didn't target that could tell us?
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i still am very confused why ANYONE would go into gaza whether it's too report or to deliver aid or whatever. Both sides are bombing everything and everyone, regardless of the reason they are there. :( |
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Except that the graphic is wrong? The biggest expense to the US government right now is Medicare/Medicaid. |
Somethinsomething campuses are showing increase in antisemitism, attacks or something or at least that's reported. And in Russia, Palestines attacked Isrealis getting off a plane? Dunno all details of anything but ...uh...okay
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I saw the Russian airport thing on Twitter whenever it was, so help me I 100% thought it was merely Twitter doing that hoaxy thing it does a lot overnight. I thought "yeah, right, no way this is real" Next day (yesterday? day before?) a friend referenced it in a post about some anti-semetic stuff in her area and I went "wait? it was real?" Looked on bbc dot com, sure enough, there was basically the same stuff I'd seen on Twitter. |
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yeah i mean russia is russia but the college campus thing i couldn't take seriously. I mean really ...are there huge groups of palestinians that are going to american colleges? what "incidents"? holding up a sign? |
one of you guys surely has stats on cilvians the US killed on their hunt for Alqueada
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The closest thing I saw to a number, and it feels light:
"A recent report suggests that the botched strike is indicative of a larger trend. Based on 3,000 documents disclosed by the Pentagon, the study alleges to have identified “an institutional acceptance of an inevitable collateral toll” during U.S. strikes. Indeed, widely available data reflects the prevalence of civilian casualties resulting from U.S. strikes against suspected terrorists. According to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism (BIJ), for instance, U.S. strikes in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen from 2002 to 2020 killed between 10,000 and 17,000 people. Of these, between 800 and 1,750 are thought to have been civilians." |
Over 200,000 for the Iraq War alone.
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He asked specifically about Alqueda, which wasn't what the Iraq War was about. That war was about oil and hurt feelings.
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I mean they did say the main reason for war was Saddam was aiding Al-Qaeda. The fact they lied doesn't make those civilians any less dead.
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I mean those stats are good too but was just curious about the retaliation casualties from 9/11. That's something we can directly compare this to |
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I didn't take that as the *main* reason...i thought the main reason was that we couldn't stop him from trying to develop/acquire WMD, which turned out to be a lie. |
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For some people there are more important priorities than self-preservation. The cause is worth the risk, etc. |
My guess is Bibi thinks he can survive this. Golda Meir will beg to differ, but a lot has changed since then.
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Glad Blinken is over there.
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There's also reports that IDF has encircled Gaza. I hope there's an escape route South for women and children. |
imagine...for three weeks....there are enemies everywhere bombing all around you. Your neighbors have been murdered. You are told to leave. You sleep in a church with no food and drink the holy water. 2 of your family are already dead. You can't sleep. Every other day you are told to leave. The last group that left died. You have no idea where to go. You are threatened and told to leave because they will bomb the church. So you run but faint because you haven't slept or eaten. Someone runs you over with a tank
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Allowing American citizens to be bombed to smithereens.
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Don't see western press reporting this (yet) but would be a great option if feasible. Abbas & West Bank has been relatively peaceful w/Israel.
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What is your solution to this situation? |
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Not to give them $14 billion in weapons. |
So, any theories on why Hamas kidnapped children? and continue to hold them?
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where did they get children? I thought all the hostages came from that concert?
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Kibbutz's were attacked and I'm sure there were families at the concert. |
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