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saldana 10-17-2011 08:01 PM

checking in

Autumn 10-17-2011 08:10 PM

I'm heading out now, and I have class first thing in the morning. So I won't be able to respond to any comments until around noon tomorrow. I'll check once later tonight before I sleep in case anyone has a last second question.

CrimsonFox 10-17-2011 08:11 PM

I think if we do some heavy duty voting analysis up to this point, we will find that Autumn killed the first guy.

dzilla77 10-17-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 2551057)
I think if we do some heavy duty voting analysis up to this point, we will find that Autumn killed the first guy.


Yeah, but if we vote Danny today and Autumn tomorrow, we can lynch two wolves.

CrimsonFox 10-17-2011 08:17 PM

wow excellent point.

hoopsguy 10-17-2011 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzilla77 (Post 2551064)
Yeah, but if we vote Danny today and Autumn tomorrow, we can lynch two wolves.


Sounds almost too easy.

The Jackal 10-17-2011 08:30 PM

Villager here! Hopefully the N0 scans went in our favor. Have an important interview tmw so ill be out for midday but aside from that I'm ready to save me some Gotham. And autumn isn't going to be stabbed, thanks autumn!

Commo_Soldier 10-17-2011 08:41 PM

Checking in

Commo_Soldier 10-17-2011 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2551076)
Villager here! Hopefully the N0 scans went in our favor. Have an important interview tmw so ill be out for midday but aside from that I'm ready to save me some Gotham. And autumn isn't going to be stabbed, thanks autumn!


Hard for them to really go in our favor as they are all negative scans, but I guess it tells the person someone is a villager.

Also important interview, gone part of the day...

Vote Jackal

Commo_Soldier 10-17-2011 08:44 PM

Dola, my first game without items, who am I not going to pass my non-item to now?

CrimsonFox 10-17-2011 08:50 PM

we could always invoke zinto's law now too!

Commo_Soldier 10-17-2011 08:52 PM

Zinto's law? Also forgot to mention it last game, but EF referenced something he created when I asked which is worse having a throwaway vote or moving it at the last minute to a runaway. What exactly was he talking about?

CrimsonFox 10-17-2011 08:55 PM

Zinto's law: The Jackal is always a wolf.

A throwaway vote usually means putting a vote on someone who isn't really a contender to get lynched. Like if the vote was 6-5-5 on three people, but your vote was on someone with just 1 or 2 votes.
No matter when in the day you voted there.

Runaway is like when the vote is like 9-2 or something like that and you add yet another vote to the pile to make it 10-2.

Both are things wolves do to "hide their vote". Even though of course villagers do do this too for various reasons.

Commo_Soldier 10-17-2011 08:58 PM

Yeah, last game someone tried to do that, but was a minute late. I asked which was better and it sounded as if EF had something that was like a list of rules or something on wolf type activities.

CrimsonFox 10-17-2011 09:01 PM

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Commo_Soldier 10-17-2011 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 2551094)


Ah, thanks!

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier (Post 2551082)
Hard for them to really go in our favor as they are all negative scans, but I guess it tells the person someone is a villager.



I didn't notice the word "negative". What does that even mean?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier (Post 2551082)
Also important interview, gone part of the day...

Vote Jackal


I'll be around plenty to defend myself from such underhanded mob-like tactics! Though there's also a flyers game tomorrow night. :)

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:33 PM

Does negative just mean they get a random scan which cannot hit a role they are looking for?

So every disturbed citizen will learn one person who definitely isn't Dawes or Arkham, while Dawes will learn two people that definitely aren't supervillains and Arkham learns one person that definitely isn't a disturbed citizen?

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:34 PM

That's a pretty cool feature actually, I'm not sure I've played a game with that kind of inclusion, or else I don't remember it, if that's what this is.

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:35 PM

Especially since no one can PM - this is a very intriguing roleset, should be fun to see what happens.

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 2551090)
Zinto's law: The Jackal is always a wolf.


I don't think I've been a wolf since I adopted that signature. Maybe the first game, but I don't remember. :)

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 2551094)


That was mostly a joke, with some snippets of truth. People are always looking for hidden, or easy votes. It's one of the reasons I was testing that craziness on D2 yesterday, it would've been very easy to vote me for it .. although I haven't gone back and looked at the final results of who ended up on me that day..

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:38 PM

yesterday = last game

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:40 PM

Jackal - Autumn, Saldana, Dzilla, J23, Zinto

See. Two wolves and one wolf convert! The theory was sound! :)

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:41 PM

Or wait, nevermind, J wasn't a wolf, that was just your posturing. So just one wolf and a future convert. But it's just something to think about, wolf voting decisions are never easy, and it's what we analyze to try and pick people out when there aren't any obvious missteps.

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:42 PM

Most of the time it's just villager movement, then you combine it with Danny's gut and presto - wolf.

The Jackal 10-17-2011 09:42 PM

I used to say that about Alan T. I remember that one game when he had every single wolf pegged, maybe even on D1. That was ridiculous.

Abe Sargent 10-17-2011 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 2551047)
Well this isn't quite the "love is in the air" vibe that I've grown to expect from Abe Sargent.



I am a man of nothing but love.

Zinto 10-17-2011 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2551117)
I don't think I've been a wolf since I adopted that signature. Maybe the first game, but I don't remember. :)



I don't think you have been either. In The Evil Dead game I was going to be super mad at myself if you where the wolf. That being said you must be the only wolf today!

ntndeacon 10-17-2011 10:46 PM

I am around and will be on off and on tomorrow. Ready to fight those that are sure to put me on the block!

CrimsonFox 10-17-2011 10:53 PM

don't make ntn angry. You wouldn't LIKE hime when he's angry!

ntndeacon 10-17-2011 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 2551164)
don't make ntn angry. You wouldn't LIKE hime when he's angry!


Somehow I don't turn green. Gotta leave Schmidty's schtick alone.

CrimsonFox 10-17-2011 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 2551166)
Somehow I don't turn green. Gotta leave Schmidty's schtick alone.



yeah don't touch Schmidty's schtick.

Narcizo 10-18-2011 12:42 AM

Aye negative scans are pretty common - I remember I had one when I was the sorceror in Autumn's 9-player game. Pretty good way of making day one slightly less of a crap shoot than usual.

Looks like a tough game for the village - we have to stay on top of things because if the game starts to run away from us then it could run away very quickly. Don't think voting records are going to be fantastically useful in this game - the only possible way I can see them being important is if we luck on Two-Face early on as he will then have four people protecting him. Otherwise everyone will be as much in the dark as everyone else.

Narcizo 10-18-2011 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2551118)
It's one of the reasons I was testing that craziness on D2 yesterday, it would've been very easy to vote me for it .. although I haven't gone back and looked at the final results of who ended up on me that day..


Obviously I wasn't round but I don't think there was much discussion about targeting you. I think the main thing you achieved was a degree of trust from some of the village and the (correct) suspicion that you didn't have a role among the wolves. Often villagers are looking for an easy reason to vote someone as well as the wolves early on.

CrimsonFox 10-18-2011 12:45 AM

ehh I think it will be tougher for the corrupt people. They don't know who each other are.

What you think, Zinto?

Narcizo 10-18-2011 12:46 AM

Touching Schmidty's stick turns you green?

Zinto 10-18-2011 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 2551193)
ehh I think it will be tougher for the corrupt people. They don't know who each other are.

What you think, Zinto?



It is going to be pretty tough for Two Face to be able to corrupt in this game. It is going to be a crap shoot the first few days with him also, since he has about as good of a chance to hit one of the Disturbed Citizens as we have to hit a wolf on the first few says of a game.

Zinto 10-18-2011 12:55 AM

It is going to be extremely important to try and find those little hints in people's posts that I can never find trying to bait Two Face into killing them. It is going to be interesting to see how some of the players try to flag him.

CrimsonFox 10-18-2011 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinto (Post 2551196)
It is going to be pretty tough for Two Face to be able to corrupt in this game. It is going to be a crap shoot the first few days with him also, since he has about as good of a chance to hit one of the Disturbed Citizens as we have to hit a wolf on the first few says of a game.


then if it's anything like last game we (the village) is screwed ;)

CrimsonFox 10-18-2011 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinto (Post 2551199)
It is going to be extremely important to try and find those little hints in people's posts that I can never find trying to bait Two Face into killing them. It is going to be interesting to see how some of the players try to flag him.



well I for one do NOT want Twoface to kill me. Absolutely not. Why that would just kill me. I would just DIE if twoface killed me. JUST DIE, I tell you!

Zinto 10-18-2011 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 2551200)
then if it's anything like last game we (the village) is screwed ;)



Hahha very true, if Two Face hits with Danny like accuracy then we will most likely lose.

CrimsonFox 10-18-2011 12:59 AM

gonna throw out a vote...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

VOTE CHIEF RUM


Don't think I've forgotten about that rude diarrhea mouth comment! :D

Abe Sargent 10-18-2011 01:01 AM

I have "Cant Get You Out of My Head" running through my head. Confusion ensues.

CrimsonFox 10-18-2011 01:03 AM

ELO!

Zinto 10-18-2011 01:07 AM

I am also going to place an early vote, that I am sure is going to raise some eyebrows. Hoops played a great wolf game in the last Dark Knight and this will be a revenge shot for convincing everyone I was a wolf in that game.

Vote Hoops

Zinto 10-18-2011 01:09 AM

Also as Crimson said during that game Hoops is like Satan and can convince anyone of anything as a wolf :)

CrimsonFox 10-18-2011 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2551205)
I have "Cant Get You Out of My Head" running through my head. Confusion ensues.



Since this is the only thing you said,I'm trying to figure out how this is code to two-face.

Is that Coldplay or Kylie Monogue?

CrimsonFox 10-18-2011 02:10 AM

That really seems to imply that he IS two-face. But there is no reason why Two-face would want to signal anybody.

BUt maybe it's just a disturbed person trying to allude to 2face by clueing two-face.

Narcizo 10-18-2011 02:58 AM

So the police then. If they make a block then I think they should reveal the fact straight away so we know that it's a block rather than a conversion. After they've made a block they become a martyr so I doubt they'll be very interesting to Two-Face and that shouldn't be an issue. I think we're better off knowing that there could be two kills coming the next night or not.


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