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BrianD 05-11-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow (Post 2281381)
3 pages and no MORGAN FREEMAN

1. Hoke Colburn (Driving Miss Daisy)
2. Ellis Boyd "Red" Redding (Shawshank Redemption)


Although I think the Chevy Chase one is the closest.


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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2281384)
Does anyone ever look at Morgan Freeman and think "Hoke Coburn"?


No, I think of the US President (Deep Impact) and God. Hard to get more iconic than God.

kcchief19 05-11-2010 07:23 PM

Here's where Ford wins hands down.

Adjusted for inflation, he's starred in four of the top 17 movies of all time playing two different roles. By my count, Charleton Heston and Julie Andrews (omitting the rest of the cast of Star Wars) are the only other actors with as many as two movies in the top 25.

The other difference between the roles is that neither Heston nor Andrews played original roles. These were roles that existed in literature and in many cases have been played by multiple actors over the years. The have been more than one Moses and more than Maria Von Trapp. There's only one Han Solo and one Indiana Jones.

To challenge Ford, you'd need to play a lead in one of the top 20 movies or top 20 TV shows of all time, and play that character more than once. No one else is even in the ballpark.

JPhillips 05-11-2010 07:30 PM

The gross numbers are skewed because much of the international market was relatively ignored during Heston's heyday.

Now if you want to make sequels a part of the requirements, sure Ford wins.

edit: "Who is Kowalski" hurts me more than anything ever written on this board.

Bad-example 05-11-2010 07:45 PM

If animation is kosher here, Mel Blanc wins this thing hands down.

ace1914 05-11-2010 08:20 PM

Will Smith:

Fresh Prince of Bel Air and Agent J in MIB.

ace1914 05-11-2010 08:28 PM

Michael J Fox:

Marty McFly and Teen Wolf

ace1914 05-11-2010 08:30 PM

Eddie Murphy:

Axel Foley and Professor Klump.

ace1914 05-11-2010 08:33 PM

How about this:

My wife just said Jacob(Twilight Series) and Shark Boy.

ace1914 05-11-2010 08:36 PM

Tom Hanks:

Forrest Gump and Woody(Toy Story).

Swaggs 05-11-2010 09:58 PM

James Earl Jones as Darth Vader, Terrance Mann, and Mufasa.

...and, "this is CNN." :)

larrymcg421 05-11-2010 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ace1914 (Post 2281484)
How about this:

My wife just said Jacob(Twilight Series) and Shark Boy.


File for divorce.

Swaggs 05-11-2010 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ace1914 (Post 2281487)
Tom Hanks:

Forrest Gump and Woody(Toy Story).


Based on the number of Woody costumes that I see every Halloween, that is a pretty good call to partner up with Forrest Gump.

Sun Tzu 05-11-2010 10:09 PM

What about Samuel L Jackson in...oh screw it.

ace1914 05-12-2010 12:09 AM

Storm and Cat-Woman, Halle Berry

oykib 05-12-2010 01:58 AM

Gregory Peck

Captain Horatio Hornblower and Atticus Finch.

Also Josef Mengele, Philip Schuyler Green (Gentleman's Agreement), and Captain Keith Mallory (Guns of Navarone)

NewIdentity 05-12-2010 02:37 AM

Has anyone mentione Tommy Lee Jones?

Samuel Gerard from The Fugitive & US Marshals
Agent Kay from MIB I, II and in 2011 III

Ronnie Dobbs2 05-12-2010 06:26 AM

This thread is why we can't have nice things.

PurdueBrad 05-12-2010 07:03 AM

This one is more of a joke one but if you are looking at all at box office numbers, Hugo Weaving was Elrond in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Agent Smith in the Matrix trilogy, Megatron in the Transformers movies, and V in V for Vendetta. Agent Smith is certainly an iconic role as Neo's adversary and I might argue that V or Megatron are as well. Elrond, not so much but a Tolkein fan may disagree with me there. Weaving is also apparently reprising the role of Elrond in The Hobbit and he's the Red Skull in the upcoming Captain America movie.

Oh, and Eddie Murphy for Axel Foley and the guy that makes a bunch of awful pictures.

Logan 05-12-2010 08:41 AM

I hate Kodos for starting this thread and I hate myself even more for continuing to read it.

Kodos 05-12-2010 08:51 AM

You're welcome.

chesapeake 05-12-2010 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2281434)
edit: "Who is Kowalski" hurts me more than anything ever written on this board.


Stella!!!!!!! I couldn't agree more.

This thread suffers from a lack of a good definition of "iconic."

My sense is that an iconic role is one that most people recongnize not only the image of the character -- Sly Stallone in boxing gloves with his arms raised in victory -- but also the basic character archetype -- a big-hearted but uneducated palooka from the streets of Philly trying to make it big with his one and only chance. If you say, "wow, that guy is just like Rocky," everyone knows what you mean.

When I mentioned the Stella shout from Streetcar, I'll bet most of you now have some idea who Stanley Kowalski is and what he means. Some of you won't -- it is a 60 year old movie -- but most of you do and that is because of the iconic nature of the character and Brando's performance.

johnnyshaka 05-12-2010 09:12 AM

I guess it's generational (save for the movie fanatics of any age) because "Stella" means "beer" to me and I doubt I could point out Bogart from a lineup of actors from the same era.

korme 05-12-2010 01:32 PM

Bill Murray as Bill Murray in any movie he's in

larrymcg421 05-12-2010 01:35 PM

Are people really answering the main question or just randomly posting two good performances for every actor they can think of?

I'm just wondering if anyone really thinks Samuel Gerard and Agent K really compare to Han Solo/Indiana Jones?

Sgran 05-12-2010 02:01 PM

I agree that Brando is getting shortchanged, but someone above asked "who is Travis Bickle?" Are you shitting me? Maybe we need a new thread, but is there a scene in any movie that defines "iconic" more than "are you talking to me?" Let's see:
1. Indy running from the ball
2. I am your father (actually a lame scene)
3. I don't give a damn
4. Stella
5. I'll be back (edit to add: Only in a re-run)
Damn, this does need a new thread...

chesapeake 05-12-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by korme (Post 2281910)
Bill Murray as Bill Murray in any movie he's in


This is an issue I've been thinking about. Bill Murray and Jack Nicholson are iconic figures for always playing the same character. You know it has reached that point when you can't remember the character's name 10 minutes after seeing the movie.

In my own mind, I give Stallone and Brando a little bit of a nod over Ford and Eastwood because their iconic characters are distinctly different. Indiana Jones is basically Han Solo with a PhD and a bullwhip.

ace1914 05-12-2010 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2281912)
Are people really answering the main question or just randomly posting two good performances for every actor they can think of?

I'm just wondering if anyone really thinks Samuel Gerard and Agent K really compare to Han Solo/Indiana Jones?


Why wouldn't they? The only difference is that Star Wars and Indiana Jones are older franchises.

PurdueBrad 05-12-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2281912)
Are people really answering the main question or just randomly posting two good performances for every actor they can think of?

I'm just wondering if anyone really thinks Samuel Gerard and Agent K really compare to Han Solo/Indiana Jones?


I actually think the #1 and 2 spots are taken (Indy/Han and Rambo/Rocky) which is why I introduced things for conversation rather than competition. I assume that is what most are doing.

judicial clerk 05-12-2010 11:08 PM

Nicholson has had some pretty iconic roles. i don't know if anybody even mentioned nathan Jessup yet.

Ron Howard is also a great pick. Opey and Richie are truly iconic.

A pair of roles that are, or will be, iconic and memorable (albeit small and supporting) are Amon Goeth and Voldmort.

judicial clerk 05-12-2010 11:18 PM

okay, okay Ive got one. I don't know if it will even count but two iconic preformances beyond measure come from Boris Karloff as Frankenstein's monster and as the narrator of the original "The Grinch."

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2010 11:47 PM

I don't understand all you Harrison Ford fanboys. Sure, he gets a good iconic role in Indy, but his role as Han Solo is NOT iconic. He's not even the main character of the movies.

larrymcg421 05-12-2010 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2282257)
I don't understand all you Harrison Ford fanboys. Sure, he gets a good iconic role in Indy, but his role as Han Solo is NOT iconic. He's not even the main character of the movies.


I call BS. Han Solo is a more iconic character than Luke Skywalker. There's a reason that in 500 Days of Summer, when the main character looks into a mirror, he sees Han Solo looking back at him and not Luke.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2010 11:54 PM

Nah.

SteveMax58 05-12-2010 11:55 PM

I'm surprised there is such unanimity with Solo. While Star Wars is a major iconic film...I'm not sold on Solo being as much of a pop culture icon as either Rocky or Rambo. To me...Stallone leads this hands down followed by Ron Howard (Opie Richie Cunningham). I'd even put Mike Myers (Wayne, Austin Powers) ahead of Ford as well.

Who lived in the late 80's or late 90's without repeating one of Mike Myers' lines? Even people who never saw his movies were saying the catch phrases and could identify the characters. I'm not sure many non-Star Wars fanatics were quoting Han Solo.

SteveMax58 05-12-2010 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2282257)
I don't understand all you Harrison Ford fanboys. Sure, he gets a good iconic role in Indy, but his role as Han Solo is NOT iconic. He's not even the main character of the movies.


Hehe...I was typing a similar post up as I was right there with this thought process.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2010 11:58 PM

Very good point on Mike Myers too SteveMax.

SteveMax58 05-13-2010 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2282262)
I call BS. Han Solo is a more iconic character than Luke Skywalker. There's a reason that in 500 Days of Summer, when the main character looks into a mirror, he sees Han Solo looking back at him and not Luke.


Meh...the icons of Star Wars are (in no particular order) Darth Vader, Yoda, & maybe Chewbaca. An icon has to have some resonance with people who never even saw the movie (which I know is hard to find with Star Wars...but not seeing it for 20+ years can sorta simulate this). I would contend these are the most recognizable and most easily emulated icons. Solo? Skywalker? I cannot honestly recall why they would be iconic(I could be forgetting something big...but that tells me something in and of itself).

Grammaticus 05-13-2010 12:05 AM

Agree, Yoda, Storm Troopers and Darth Vader are all more iconic than Han Solo.

Ford used to have that little bit of trivia as being the actor in the two highest grossing franchises of all time. I think LOTR maybe broke that up though.

Begrudgingly, Rocky / Rambo probably has the nod on the actor with 2. I have to clarify, that does not mean good acting or even quality movies. Just purely Iconic Roles. Meaning an insanely recognizable role highly associated with that actor.

My personal favorite is The Man With No Name and Dirty Harry. One role defined a genre (I call it "good westerns") and the other started a genre (detective action hero).

thesloppy 05-13-2010 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58 (Post 2282267)
To me...Stallone leads this hands down followed by Ron Howard (Opie Richie Cunningham).


I still say Andy Griffith / Matlock easily trumps Opie / Richie Cunningham if you extend things into the realm of TV. The shows weren't named 'Opie' and 'Richie Days'.

larrymcg421 05-13-2010 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 2282282)
I still say Andy Griffith / Matlock easily trumps Opie / Richie Cunningham if you extend things into the realm of TV. The shows weren't named 'Opie' and 'Richie Days'.

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And Happy Days is a good example of why you can't just say - Lead character = More iconic. I don't think anyone in their right mind would say Richie is more iconic than Fonzie.

SteveMax58 05-13-2010 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 2282282)
I still say Andy Griffith / Matlock easily trumps Opie / Richie Cunningham if you extend things into the realm of TV. The shows weren't named 'Opie' and 'Richie Days'.


Yeah, I'm not really as sold on Ron Howard's characters being as iconic as maybe memorable. But I'd argue that while Andy Griffith is still a highly recognizable actor, and most people would identify him to AG Show & Matlock, his characters were never "iconic". So I guess I lump Griffith and Howard together in the same boat. Maybe neither belongs on this list.

Fonzie is definitely the biggest icon from Happy Days (possibly the only one) but obviously has no other iconic role to speak of.

thesloppy 05-13-2010 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58 (Post 2282286)
Yeah, I'm not really as sold on Ron Howard's characters being as iconic as maybe memorable. But I'd argue that while Andy Griffith is still a highly recognizable actor, and most people would identify him to AG Show & Matlock, his characters were never "iconic". So I guess I lump Griffith and Howard together in the same boat. Maybe neither belongs on this list.


Matlock is totally an icon! He's the current cultural symbol of entertainment for old folks (taking over the crown of Murder She Wrote). Andy Griffith not so much anymore, but in his time dude was everywhere...though I would concede that the Andy Griffith character isn't particularly epic in scope. That's kinda like Bob Newhart playing Bob Newhart / Bob Newhart....awesome, but probably not 'iconic' in terms of character.

Kodos 05-13-2010 08:35 AM

Someone is suggesting that Chewbacca is more iconic than Han Solo? Really?

Logan 05-13-2010 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 2282435)
Someone is suggesting that Chewbacca is more iconic than Han Solo? Really?


This non-Star Wars fan says hell yes.

Scarecrow 05-13-2010 05:52 PM

Another to toss out...

Dr. Frankenstein & Willy Wonka (& Jim from Blazing Saddles) = Gene Wilder

and I agree - Han Solo was a supporting character.

Buccaneer 05-13-2010 07:22 PM

The point is not whether Ford as Solo was the most iconic (probably not even within Star Wars), but whether Ford as Solo AND Jones was more iconic than any other pairings. I would say that only Stallone would challenge that (with Rambo only being a moderate financial success - i.e., the whole Rambo franchise made only a fraction of just the first SW).


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