According to Fox News, Kiffin is meeting with the players in the morning to explain the penalties.

Are you sure the players won't be explaining the penalties to him?

Fair point.

Blessing in disguise for FSU fans. Bowden had no reason to keep fighting for his job once that happened. And there were plenty of people (outside of FSU) who didn't want to include his Stamford years as part of his victory total anyway. I wasn't too torn up about it.

:D

SI

Can't take credit for this but I got a kick out of it.

Apparently the USC defections have begun:

That was a university issue that involved non-athletes as well as athletes. If Florida State had stonewalled the NCAA nothing would have happened to them. #Fact

Maybe he can get Al Davis to explain it to them with an overhead projector.

Lack of institutional control?

That has actually been the crime for some of the NCAA's harshest penalties in recent years. Granted these are still small potatoes compared what we'd see in the late 80s and 90s, but that's the catch all.

The great thing is that with the scholarship losses, Kiffin has taken 7 WR's and 3 QB's in the last two classes

what?? Mr great coach can't convert them all to OTs and LBs :lol:

USC just got fucked. 2 year bowl ban, limited recruited contact and 10 schollies a year for three years.

I'm really upset here.

Also 4 years probation for USC. I wonder how Lane and Bebe will be able to get around that.

That kind of punishment at a premier program must mean some bad shit went down.

Lane Kiffin could turn out to be a great coach, but most fans (well everyone but USC fans) dont think Kiffin and O can go 4 years with probabtion. Thats more important then even a bowl ban

So over the next three years USC will basically sign 45 scholarship players. That is brutal.

They'll probably be able to spread them out over a few years.

DanWetzel The 30 lost scholarships is an absolutely massive total. That's a behind the woodshed type punishment. Also, two year bowl ban

BryanDFischer USC Penalties: 4yr probation, vacate wins in bball in 09-10, 2yr bowl ban fball, w tennis vacate wins, fine of $5,000

BryanDFischer COI considered imposing TV bans but decided penalties were enough, decision was “a very tough call.”

BryanDFischer Failure of USC was to recognize warning signs, b proactive in monitoring, didn't follow through on things, found lack of instit. control

BryanDFischer OJ Mayo violations: received cash, electronic devices, services, meals, transportation and a TV

BryanDFischer Case centered on agent and amateurism violations involving student athlete 1: (Reggie Bush) and student athlete 2 (OJ Mayo)

BryanDFischer Reggie Bush violations: received a vehicle, rent free home for parents, airline tickets, hotel room, cash, limo, furniture, appliance.

USC will DEFINITELY appeal this. This thing is harsh.

This was my initial reaction as well.

But, to be clear (and I think Poli is in the same boat), I have no malice towards USC. But I LOVE seeing this happen to Kiffin. It's part of why I said (I think I said it here) that the move made no sense for him in my opinion.

From ESPN

"The NCAA said its findings included "a lack of institutional control, impermissible inducements, extra benefits, exceeding coach staff limits, and unethical conduct by an assistant football coach.""

Im guessing the Dogfighter got busted

Tennis team seems to fit in the "which one of these things is not like the other" game.

I am not sure. I am not sure on Pac 10 rules but the NCAA says you can sign 25 kids a class. If these 30 schollies are over 3 years, I don't see how they can spread it out.

I must have read it wrong. That is a harsh penalty.

Basketball, Tennis, and Football means that the NCAA gave them the modern day death penalty

I know all these recruits right now are sticking with USC (2011 kids) but give these other coaches a week to negative recruit and they will be singing new tunes.

I have nothing against USC, but I am glad to see that Reggie Bush (provided the findings are true) will likely have to vacate his Heisman Trophy. It seems like the athletes and/or coaches often get off without much of a penalty, but having to turn over the Heisman Trophy and possibly have the BCS come in and remove the BCS trophy (taking it away from him and all of his teammates on a championship team) has to hurt him a lot.

30 scholies total, but loss of 10 off both the regular yearly 25 against the cap (75 instead of 85) for three years is going to HURT. Far closer to what set back Oklahoma for a decade than what happened to Bama.

And USC basketball also received another 1 year ban for basketball

So where does Seantrel end up?

One aspect that makes this even tougher for ND is now there is no room for error with kids. They are going to not have typical USC classes as it is, but still probably decent but even in those loaded classes they had busts. Cannot afford that at all now.

Oh Dan :)

I got a big blue truck now too, (a Ford and I've always been a Chevy guy) so maybe it's time to convert...

If it's any consolation, at least the scholarship restrictions will have ended by the time that 8th grader is ready for college...

Can the thread be edited to include Kiffin-hater chuckles as well?

Yeah, I'm not sure who's happier about this news - UCLA fans or Tennessee fans. Is their home-and-home series concluded? Would have been funny to see all the anti-USC/Kiffin stuff between both of the fan bases next year.

The home and home is done, but the opportunity may still come: they'll probably be in the same conference by 2020. :D

Another reason to question the assistant football coach's credibility in denying that he knew agency partner A is the fact that the two shared a close relationship with a mutual friend ("mutual friend"), a comedian and actor who has appeared in various roles in television and motion pictures. Agency partner A grew up with the mutual friend in the OC. The record in the case included a photograph of the assistant football coach together with agency partners A and B and the mutual friend.

Todd McNair, Rodney Guillory and....anyone have any guesses? :)

Will Ferrell is my guess.

Will Ferrell was born and raised in Irvine, CA, right in the heart of the OC.

Yes, I believe so :)

Just saw that USC's scholarship limits do not count for last year. So with their 19 scholarships last year, you add, 15, 15, 15 for the next 3 years. That's actually a huge point in this.

If USC sues, it could possibly delay when the punishment will occur and if USC loses that lawsuit, they could very well sit their program back 5 years

BC makes it official; released a statement a short time ago....in accordance with the NCAA findings, USC's 2005 BCS championship has been vacated.

BC?

Bowl Committee?

BCS...sorry

Pete Carroll's response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT7RvG_FpBY

Congratulations Oklahoma?

What about Auburn?

Hard to reward the undefeated team that wasn't invited to the game over the team that was, and was also undefeated, prior to playing what turned out to be an ineligible USC team.

The speculation I had heard was that the title would be vacated and there would be no championship given out. No idea if the BCS has said otherwise today, though.

Well, Fox Sports Detroit did a replay of a 2000 High School hockey game that was suspended in the 3rd because of a nasty injury to a player a month or two ago, so I say we get the 2004 Auburn and Oklahoma teams to kickoff this year's college football season at the Rose Bowl (where said game would have occurred)

Minnesota wouldn't mind Peterson playing a meaningless exhibition, right?

:popcorn:

Agreed, but it is also problematic to reward the team (OU) that lost in their bowl game over the team they should have played (Auburn) had USC been taken out of the equation instantaneously. But if you have to award one team now in the record books, then OU is the best bet I guess. Co Champs between OU and Auburn is better. But perhaps the best move is just having a *Title Vacated* next to the year.