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Crapshoot 04-01-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 1697415)
Matt Cain is going to lose every game 1-0. SOB!!!


you and me both.

ISiddiqui 04-01-2008 10:13 PM

Isn't that what happened last year too? Cain finished with an ERA+ of 122 and a W/L of 7-16.

Lincecum is also going to suffer similar fate, I'm afraid.

kingfc22 04-01-2008 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 1697421)
Isn't that what happened last year too? Cain finished with an ERA+ of 122 and a W/L of 7-16.

Lincecum is also going to suffer similar fate, I'm afraid.


Yes, this year will be worse though. We have ZERO offense.

Mr. Sparkle 04-01-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 1697424)
Yes, this year will be worse though. We have ZERO offense.


But we have a whole roster full of gamers!

Shkspr 04-01-2008 10:26 PM

I'm unconvinced that Bob Melvin's decision to bat Eric Byrnes 3rd should be taken as an assumption that a) Byrnes is the best hitter on the Diamondbacks or that b) they will be outscored this season. Chris Young will be better than Byrnes, Conor Jackson has a reasonable chance to improve, and Justin Upton could very easily follow his brother's career path a little sooner than anticipated. Eric Byrnes could be the fifth best hitter on the team...and STILL bat third.

Excuse me, sixth best hitter. Forgot about Micah Owings.

I think it's a moot point anyway - either Upton or Jackson will move ahead of Byrnes in the batting order by June.

kingfc22 04-01-2008 10:46 PM

The Giants scored a run!!!

kingfc22 04-01-2008 10:47 PM

Yea right. April Fool's!

MizzouRah 04-01-2008 11:06 PM

We lose to Kip Wells!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

JonInMiddleGA 04-01-2008 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 1697410)
Well, in the case of Ethier, Kouzmanoff, Gordon, and Zimmerman, you have young players who are supposed to do far better this season.


On the other hand, if you look at those that I counted in the "better" group several of those are at least possible suspects to finish with worse numbers than the Byrnes line (although they might not hold on to the 3rd spot in the order if they do).

I think Abreu, Griffey, and Sheffield could slip beneath that due to either age or injury, and Hamilton, Markakis, and Barton are all still fairly inexperienced & could conceivably go in the wrong direction (not expecting it or predicting, just saying it could certainly happen). And Chipper isn't exactly the most durable guy in the majors.

So it seems to me there's at least as many reasonable candidates to go backwards towards Byrnes numbers as there are those who would seem likely to move solidly ahead of them.

Arles 04-01-2008 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shkspr (Post 1697432)
I'm unconvinced that Bob Melvin's decision to bat Eric Byrnes 3rd should be taken as an assumption that a) Byrnes is the best hitter on the Diamondbacks or that b) they will be outscored this season. Chris Young will be better than Byrnes, Conor Jackson has a reasonable chance to improve, and Justin Upton could very easily follow his brother's career path a little sooner than anticipated. Eric Byrnes could be the fifth best hitter on the team...and STILL bat third.

Excuse me, sixth best hitter. Forgot about Micah Owings.

I think it's a moot point anyway - either Upton or Jackson will move ahead of Byrnes in the batting order by June.

I'll go one further. After the all-star break, Conner Jackson (.926 OPS), Chris Snyder (.889 OPS), Mark Reynolds (.840 OPS and Chris Young (.823 OPS) were all better hitters than Byrnes. And that doesn't count a guy like Hudson who matched Byrnes and guys like Stephen Drew and Justin Upton who may have the most talent on the team.

I'd be shocked if Byrnes is a top 4 hitter on the DBacks this year by the numbers. But, he hits third because nearly everyone else is in their low 20s and prone to some inconsistencies.

Chief Rum 04-01-2008 11:50 PM

This is also one of my favorite times of the year.

Good bounce back tonight for the Halos against the Twinkies. We scored in bunches and Garland looked terrific in getting the win. Only Angel starter to not get a hit was Torii, poor guy. He did get a nice welcome from the Twins' fans last night, though, and his Gold Glove ceremony tonight.

Atocep 04-01-2008 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shkspr (Post 1697432)
I'm unconvinced that Bob Melvin's decision to bat Eric Byrnes 3rd should be taken as an assumption that a) Byrnes is the best hitter on the Diamondbacks or that b) they will be outscored this season. Chris Young will be better than Byrnes, Conor Jackson has a reasonable chance to improve, and Justin Upton could very easily follow his brother's career path a little sooner than anticipated. Eric Byrnes could be the fifth best hitter on the team...and STILL bat third.

Excuse me, sixth best hitter. Forgot about Micah Owings.

I think it's a moot point anyway - either Upton or Jackson will move ahead of Byrnes in the batting order by June.



Most stats analysts picked the Dbacks to either win the west or the wild card last year, so the fact that they did that wasn't surprising, it was how they did it. With a young lineup that should take a step forward, a healthy Tracy, and adding Haren they shouldn't be in the same situation they were last year in terms of run differential.

Its a good team. Its a team with a young offensive foundation, but they were lucky that their growing pains weren't reflected in their record last season.

Cringer 04-02-2008 01:09 AM

Ok, so someone please explain to the guy who has "been away" for a bit about some of the stats being thrown out there. What is OPS+ 112? ERA+ 122? What happened to .900 OPS and 2.50 ERA? Thanks.

As for the Astros, at least they scored a run tonight. They lose 2-1 to fall to 0-2. For a team who's strength is supposed to be hitting it sure is an odd first two games. That is one reason baseball can be fun though I guess.

Atocep 04-02-2008 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer (Post 1697491)
Ok, so someone please explain to the guy who has "been away" for a bit about some of the stats being thrown out there. What is OPS+ 112? ERA+ 122? What happened to .900 OPS and 2.50 ERA? Thanks.


OPS+ and ERA+ are normalized for both park and league with 100 being league average (and bigger numbers being better). Its a solid way of quickly comparing players across eras and leagues.

Cringer 04-02-2008 01:27 AM

gracias

Ksyrup 04-02-2008 07:03 AM

For those who may not know it, baseball-reference.com is a great place to check box scores and stats for the current season. The box scores are awesome - not only do they give you everything you normally would get, but you can click on each player's AB link and get a pop-up box that tells you exactly what they did in each AB for that game. And for pitchers, you can click on their IP link and see their line score for each separate inning. And on the main page, they give you the top hitters and pitchers by game score. Pretty cool.

Buccaneer 04-02-2008 08:49 AM

We'll see how Greg Maddux do and if he do his typical solid outing, I'll be clammering for the Pads to go old-school with a 3-man rotation. With the way Peav and CY pitching, Pads don't need no offense. :)

Cringer 04-02-2008 08:56 AM

Ok.............jbmagic?

Calis 04-02-2008 03:46 PM

I love the beginning of the season, where a Royals fan like myself can look at our 2-0 record, and those wins over Detroit no less and entertain the idea that we've got a shot. :)

Great start though. I might also add that I wish every game was an afternoon game, because using gameday audio to listen to it at work really helped the afternoon more pleasant.

MikeVic 04-02-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1697602)
We'll see how Greg Maddux do and if he do his typical solid outing, I'll be clammering for the Pads to go old-school with a 3-man rotation. With the way Peav and CY pitching, Pads don't need no offense. :)


I agree with Cringer. Is jbmagic back??

Lathum 04-02-2008 03:52 PM

I hope Harden stays healthy this year, he has been nasty so far

Lorena 04-02-2008 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1697602)
We'll see how Greg Maddux do and if he do his typical solid outing, I'll be clammering for the Pads to go old-school with a 3-man rotation. With the way Peav and CY pitching, Pads don't need no offense. :)


jb, is that you?



;)

Lathum 04-02-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 1697912)
I'm only watching on gamecast, but this game he doesn't look so great - has been bailed out by the sox, I'd say (whip around 2)


i am watching the game. He looks nasty.

Lathum 04-02-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 1697915)
Fair enough. Is he just inconsistent? He might get pulled after 86 pitches through 5 and 4 walks.


he had a rocky first inning where he loaded the bases but settled down nicely. For the most part he has been challanging the pitchers and overpowering them badley.

SackAttack 04-02-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281 (Post 1697400)
But seriously, I'm 0-5 and wondering how they have assembled such large amounts of waste.


Let's use an analogy.

The Baltimore Orioles are a toilet, see.

Peter Angelos? He's got diarrhea.

I'll let flere draw you the picture if that ain't good enough. :)

Buccaneer 04-02-2008 06:14 PM

Oh man, that's low. I've got to learn not to post anything while I'm getting ready to leave for work in the morning. Now if I just remember what I was trying to say....aww, shit, forget it.

Captain2711 04-02-2008 08:01 PM

I can't believe anyone on the Yankees could honestly think Mike Mussina could be counted on this year

Arles 04-02-2008 09:23 PM

Ugh, welcome to the Brandon Lyon era DBacks fans. One night, he strikes 2 out for the save, the next night a 3-run HR. I have a feeling Tony Pena will be the closer by May.

Cringer 04-03-2008 12:22 AM

Astros pull it out against the Padres in the top of the 9th for their first win. Very nice and finally. Just when the hitting started to get going a little it looked like the pitching would fail, but the hitting pulled it out.

Two outs in the top of the 9th with no one on, Hoffman pitching. Cruz Jr. gets the pinch walk, Bourn with a single, Pence with a single to bring in the tying run, then BOOM! Berkman gets a three run homer to go up 9-6 and the Astros close it out in the bottom of the inning. Nice to see a win in San Diego, I was begining to think they would sweep us.

MrBug708 04-03-2008 02:44 AM

Oh Pierre. That is why you...suck

lordscarlet 04-03-2008 06:39 AM

Another game-winning homerun by Zimmerman. Even if we end up at the bottom of the East, this is going to be a fun year.

Buccaneer 04-03-2008 08:49 AM

1 frickin' strike away...again. This shit's getting old.

MikeVic 04-03-2008 08:51 AM

Yay first win for the the Jays! Halladay and Burnett looked solid in their first starts. But now it's the other three starters that have to prove they can be counted on (Burnett too, as he probably has another start or two in him before he gets injured).

Ksyrup 04-03-2008 01:11 PM

Phillies off to a solid start...top of the 4th vs. the Nats, and they already have 4 errors!

Mizzou B-ball fan 04-03-2008 01:12 PM

Royals continue to stay hot. Alex Gordon hit his second homerun of the year. 2-0 Royals through 4 innings.

Butter 04-03-2008 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 1698152)
Ugh, welcome to the Brandon Lyon era DBacks fans. One night, he strikes 2 out for the save, the next night a 3-run HR. I have a feeling Tony Pena will be the closer by May.


What do you mean, ugh? It was pretty sweet from up here.

korme 04-03-2008 01:56 PM

Cueto's final line is 7 ip 1 h 1 er 0 bb 10 k

Not bad for a debut, the only hit was a homerun.

Ksyrup 04-03-2008 02:18 PM

Phillies games are all going to be 4+ hours this year.

Butter 04-03-2008 02:27 PM

Cordero with the closeout of the db. Nice opening series by the Reds.

Cringer 04-03-2008 02:49 PM

2 run homer in the first inning for the Padres. Looks like a good start for the Astros.

lordscarlet 04-03-2008 03:57 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Why was Colome still in there?! 4 balls in a row after 3 hits?

Phils finally get a win. Bastards.

Scarecrow 04-03-2008 04:02 PM

The Detroit Tigers are on pace to score 162 runs this season - a long way from their projected 1000.


And they played 3 against the worst team in baseball (per ESPN).

Lathum 04-03-2008 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty3281 (Post 1698681)
Cueto's final line is 7 ip 1 h 1 er 0 bb 10 k

Not bad for a debut, the only hit was a homerun.


I just picked him up for my fantasy team so expect his numbers to plumet

Ksyrup 04-03-2008 05:15 PM

Tigers aren't going to score 1000 runs. Maybe the Yankees will, but that's about it.

Lathum 04-03-2008 05:28 PM

anyone know why Cabrera didn't play today?

ISiddiqui 04-03-2008 05:33 PM

Yankees won't either. They had 968 last year, and Posada will not have nearly as good a year as he did last year. I also assume that A-Rod will be a little bit (but not too much) worse than last year.

Though it was nice to see the Royals sweep through the Tiggs.

Atocep 04-03-2008 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 1698867)
Tigers aren't going to score 1000 runs. Maybe the Yankees will, but that's about it.


Its been done once in the past 55-60 years, so I seriously doubt any team does it this year. Espcially the Tigers since they play in a slight pitchers park.

Lathum 04-03-2008 07:26 PM

anyone having trouble getting onto mlb.com?

Ksyrup 04-03-2008 07:29 PM

Mike Hampton scratched...WHODATHUNKIT?

Zē+ 04-03-2008 10:43 PM

I consider myself an avid baseball follower, but I haven't seen this before, and am unclear on the rules. In tonight's Pirates/Braves game, an Atlanta pitcher started the inning pitching, then moved to left field for a batter, then came back to the mound and pitched again. Was this permitted because he didn't technically leave the game? And if so, why isn't this technique utilized more often (the defensive shortcomings can't be THAT great, especially for just one batter). Any of you grognards have any insight?


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