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Buccaneer 02-05-2008 08:17 PM

God, I hate the thought of this again. Might as well put a picture of Bush/Cheney, it would have the same effect.


Jas_lov 02-05-2008 08:19 PM

John McCain wins New York and all of its delegates.

Coffee Warlord 02-05-2008 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1652275)
God, I hate the thought of this again. Might as well put a picture of Bush/Cheney, it would have the same effect.



She triggers my gag reflex every time I see her. Ugh.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 08:21 PM

Even though Obama has lost Mass and N.J and maybe Missouri, there's still Minnesota and Kansas where he's leading the very early results, the whole southwest, Utah, Montana, and California.

Buccaneer 02-05-2008 08:22 PM

Romney's "Debacle in the South" appears to be real. How much did he campaign there? Yankee Northeasterner just don't play well there.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 08:25 PM

Barack Obama wins Alabama.

Scoobz0202 02-05-2008 08:26 PM

The almost landslide in Missouri is really the only thing that has kind of surprised me so far. And I am an Obama supporter. Going into these primaries he was close in Alabama, Colorado, Connecticut, and Missouri. He is leading in Connecticut and Alabama. And like I said, Missouri has kind of surprsied me. We got the whole western half of the nation though. Let's go California.

RPI-Fan 02-05-2008 08:29 PM

If Cali is a 50/50 split and everything else stays as it is right now (with the exception of the big city effect making Obama closer but not winning some states), I think we know absolutely no more than we did going into tonight. Which favors Obama, because as time goes on he has had a steady upward trend with not many blips.

GrantDawg 02-05-2008 08:41 PM

I can't help but think the Huckabee upsets in both wins and number 2 positions puts him in the power seat. Would he be willing to be a number 2 to either canidate? I really wonder. I have a feeling it would be hard for him to run with McCain, but he would have to throw a lot of support on Romney for the rest of the way (and very quicly) for it to make any difference for Mitt.

Swaggs 02-05-2008 08:42 PM

I'm surprised that Clinton appears to have won Mass. so easily. I thought the Kerry and Kennedy clan endorsements would make that a very tight one.

Greyroofoo 02-05-2008 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 1652283)
Barack Obama wins Alabama.


Not surprised since if only because I've seen Obama ads here and no Clinton ads.

Buccaneer 02-05-2008 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1652304)
I'm surprised that Clinton appears to have won Mass. so easily. I thought the Kerry and Kennedy clan endorsements would make that a very tight one.


Mass. Dems can talk about peace, love and brotherhood with the best of them but when it comes down to it, there are still some old-school issues.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 08:51 PM

So far Hillary has 160 total delegates to Obama's 109, not counting super delegates.

So far John McCain has 291 delegates to Romney's 91 and Huckabee's 58.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 08:52 PM

John McCain wins Oklahoma.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:00 PM

Mitt Romney wins Utah.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:03 PM

Barack Obama wins North Dakota.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:05 PM

Barack Obama wins Utah.

Galaril 02-05-2008 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1652315)
Mass. Dems can talk about peace, love and brotherhood with the best of them but when it comes down to it, there are still some old-school issues.


I agree. I see it everyday here.

SirFozzie 02-05-2008 09:16 PM

Romney had been trying to position himself as "A vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain".. but from what I've seen.. Huckabee's done well, but any delegates he's taking would be from ROmney.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:16 PM

Sounds like Huckabee is going to keep marching on.

SirFozzie 02-05-2008 09:17 PM

Love this note from Real Clear Politics:

9:13PM - A note to the media: Mike Huckabee is not dead. He's ahead narrowly in Missouri, has already won Arkansas, Alabama and West Virginia and looks competitive in Arizona. If today is a bad day for Mitt Romney, it's a great day for Huckabee. Of course, if the Republican race comes down to a McCain-Huckabee battle, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter will be hurling themselves from windows later this evening. - REID WILSON

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:17 PM

Barack Obama wins Kansas.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:18 PM

Fox News projects Barack Obama wins Connecticut.

SackAttack 02-05-2008 09:19 PM

Looks like it's been mostly the South and West for Obama versus mostly the Northeast for Hillary.

Sounds familiar somehow.

Vegas Vic 02-05-2008 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 1652300)
he would have to throw a lot of support on Romney for the rest of the way (and very quicly) for it to make any difference for Mitt.


There is no data to suggest that Huckabee voters would have voted for Romney if Huckabee wasn't in the race. Exit polling in Florida indicated that McCain was the second choice of the majority of Huckabee's voters.

In light of what has happened tonight, you could make a strong case that Romney is taking votes away from Huckabee.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:27 PM

Of the states that haven't been called yet, Mike Huckabee is leading Georgia and Missouri over McCain, Barack Obama is leading Minnesota by a considerable margin, Mitt Romney is leading Minnesota over McCain. Hillary still up big in Missouri. Obama up big in Colorado and Idaho.

Scoobz0202 02-05-2008 09:27 PM

What states are still voting.

JonInMiddleGA 02-05-2008 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 1652370)
Exit polling in Florida indicated that McCain was the second choice of the majority of Huckabee's voters.


I believe that's a case of people seriously trying to fuck with the exit pollers (which was an interesting topic of conversation on the Atlanta radio coverage tonight, by some of the more serious local analysts/straight news people, not the talkshow types).

I can't begin to imagine any Huckabee voter going with McCain over Romney for any reason other than the distrust of Mormon issue.

GrantDawg 02-05-2008 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 1652370)
There is no data to suggest that Huckabee voters would have voted for Romney if Huckabee wasn't in the race. Exit polling in Florida indicated that McCain was the second choice of the majority of Huckabee's voters.

In light of what has happened tonight, you could make a strong case that Romney is taking votes away from Huckabee.


I didn't say he was. I was discussing him as using his position as a running mate, if he was interested. I would guess if pushed he would rather run with Romney than McCain, but he could not possibily chose Romney unless he could somehow pull his support for Romney pretty quickly.

Of course, you put up another interesting thought. What if Romney decides he would rather be a running mate for Huckabee? Neither option is very likely, just wondering aloud.

bhlloy 02-05-2008 09:34 PM

So, anybody care to make a guess at where we are in the Democratic race heading into tomorrow?

As far as I can see, Obama is still in touch, but unless he wins CA by a couple of points at least, it's not a great night for him (or at least not as good as it looked like it was going to be when GA came in). Does that pretty much sum it up?

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:36 PM

Delegate Scorecard

Democratic
(Needed to win: 2,025)
Delegates
Clinton 443
Obama 376

Republican
(Needed to win: 1,191)
Delegates
McCain 337
Romney 133
Huckabee 85
Paul 4

JPhillips 02-05-2008 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1652379)
I believe that's a case of people seriously trying to fuck with the exit pollers (which was an interesting topic of conversation on the Atlanta radio coverage tonight, by some of the more serious local analysts/straight news people, not the talkshow types).

I can't begin to imagine any Huckabee voter going with McCain over Romney for any reason other than the distrust of Mormon issue.


I think the Mormon issue is very big for a lot of Huckabee's voters. I know several southern conservative Christians that thought Mormonism is a cult and I can't imagine any of them voting for Romney.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:42 PM

Mike Huckabee has won Georgia. He's also leading in Missouri and Tennessee.

LloydLungs 02-05-2008 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 1652385)
So, anybody care to make a guess at where we are in the Democratic race heading into tomorrow?

As far as I can see, Obama is still in touch, but unless he wins CA by a couple of points at least, it's not a great night for him (or at least not as good as it looked like it was going to be when GA came in). Does that pretty much sum it up?


I think that's right. I think Obama would have been happy with this result a week ago, and he's definitely still in it, but the Obama camp probably had their hopes up for a little more given the feeling of momentum over the past couple of days.

NJ is into single digits now. Missouri is as well, but it's probably too little too late there. Obama will have won more overall states at the end of the night, but not most of the the big ones. Doesn't sound like California is going to happen from a percentage standpoint, although the delegate difference probably won't be too wide.

I think Hillary will end up eke-ing out the nomination, as I have from the beginning.

Vegas Vic 02-05-2008 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 1652380)
I didn't say he was. I was discussing him as using his position as a running mate, if he was interested. I would guess if pushed he would rather run with Romney than McCain, but he could not possibily chose Romney unless he could somehow pull his support for Romney pretty quickly.


Actually, I think that McCain and Huckabee actually like each other personally. They seem to have a cordial relationship, and I haven't heard any negative comments between them. On the other hand, both of these guys genuinely dislike Romney.

JonInMiddleGA 02-05-2008 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 1652390)
I know several southern conservative Christians that thought Mormonism is a cult and I can't imagine any of them voting for Romney.


I've battled with that for several days, had finally found a way to convince myself that it was an issue that could be handled ... and was then unexpectedly out of state for a funeral today and ended up not voting after all. {shrug}

Glengoyne 02-05-2008 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 1652356)
Love this note from Real Clear Politics:

9:13PM - A note to the media: Mike Huckabee is not dead. He's ahead narrowly in Missouri, has already won Arkansas, Alabama and West Virginia and looks competitive in Arizona. If today is a bad day for Mitt Romney, it's a great day for Huckabee. Of course, if the Republican race comes down to a McCain-Huckabee battle, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter will be hurling themselves from windows later this evening. - REID WILSON


Here's hoping it rains pundits.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 09:56 PM

Barack Obama wins Minnesota. West coast polls including California close in 5 minutes.

Buccaneer 02-05-2008 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 1652400)
Actually, I think that McCain and Huckabee actually like each other personally. They seem to have a cordial relationship, and I haven't heard any negative comments between them. On the other hand, both of these guys genuinely dislike Romney.


More than "both of these guys", you know?

Swaggs 02-05-2008 10:00 PM

Has Ron Paul given any indication as to whether or not he will continue on after tonight?

Galaril 02-05-2008 10:00 PM

I am really surprised at how Obama is kicking Clinton in the midwest/west states. I think if evrything goes it appears now and Obama can hang close in Cali it will really come down to Ohio and Texas which from tonight might favor Obama. Certainly Clinton will have figure out how to incorpoarte Obama into here team if she does take the Nomination.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 10:01 PM

Barack Obama wins Idaho. Mitt Romney wins North Dakota.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 10:03 PM

John McCain wins Arizona.

JonInMiddleGA 02-05-2008 10:08 PM

I can't help but chuckle at the graphic at foxnews.com which shows Romney as the projected winner in Utah with 0% of precincts reporting and 0 votes counted.

I understand it of course, I just got a giggle out of seeing it that way.

SackAttack 02-05-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1652417)
Has Ron Paul given any indication as to whether or not he will continue on after tonight?


Until such time as he decides to run as a Libertarian, he's got no reason not to continue in the Republican race. He's not hurting for funding, and the more delegates he can amass, the more clout he'll have if Huckabee or Romney can stay close to McCain.

LloydLungs 02-05-2008 10:14 PM

Obama has made up over 20,000 votes in Missouri over the last half hour or so. Still 20,000+ behind. Sounds like St. Louis County is coming in. Depends on how much is left.

Warhammer 02-05-2008 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 1652419)
I am really surprised at how Obama is kicking Clinton in the midwest/west states. I think if evrything goes it appears now and Obama can hang close in Cali it will really come down to Ohio and Texas which from tonight might favor Obama. Certainly Clinton will have figure out how to incorpoarte Obama into here team if she does take the Nomination.


With the crap that has gone back and forth between them behind the scenes, I can't see how he takes a spot on her team.

mauchow 02-05-2008 10:14 PM

Clinton off to a hot start in Cali.

Jas_lov 02-05-2008 10:15 PM

Hillary Clinton wins Arizona. Obama within 5% in Missouri.

Young Drachma 02-05-2008 10:27 PM

He's gaining really fast in Missouri. Wow.


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