If I knew you well I would have seen your last-second vote switch coming in the last game. Totally missing the fact that you'd do that got me lynched.

i'm not voting for you currently. are you saying you are vanilla?

as far as others it is really hard to read people based on activity

everyone has been on and off. I also see people lurking but that really means nothing.

4 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), RendeR (230), Telle (293), The Jackal (299)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)

maybe an allclaim is the way to go

I will tell the village this... i have been 100% honest with all my thoughts. Not much more I can do. It reads how it reads.

Ok that was a little out of left-field... Why EagleFan?

I'm confused by the vote for EF as well....adding a 3rd party only muddies the waters, timmae loses any ties as long as coffee stays on him (a position coffee was in yesterday as well, which is interesting too)

Ok, claim time. I am the priest. Brit was the sorc. Good luck village!

I need to monkey around with my code a little, so here's the latest on the votes.. any votes that come in after that may take me awhile since I'll likely break things before I fix them.

EagleFan voted for Telle in post 146
The Jackal voted for CrimsonFox in post 152
timmae voted for CrimsonFox in post 155
Coffee Warlord voted for timmae in post 186
CrimsonFox voted for timmae in post 209
timmae UNVOTED in post 227
timmae voted for Coffee Warlord in post 228
EagleFan UNVOTED in post 229
RendeR voted for timmae in post 230
EagleFan voted for Coffee Warlord in post 236
The Jackal UNVOTED in post 238
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 263
CrimsonFox voted for The Jackal in post 264
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 277
Telle voted for timmae in post 293
The Jackal voted for timmae in post 299
CrimsonFox voted for EagleFan in post 304

Goddamnit, timmae, now I have to wait until after deadline to play with my code 'cause you go and throw a monkey wrench into things.

I like to do that to you I guess.

I am dead either way so if you have sure evil vote for them. Otherwise 2 villagers go out today/tonight.

So, do we trust timmae? If he's a wolf, claiming he's the Priest and yesterday's lynch was the Sorcerer seems like the safest move. If he's lying, the real Sorcerer won't reveal because he wants the wolves to win.

The only way we know is if someone else claims to be the real priest.

we have 10 minutes to decide.

Do we have any reason to believe him to be lying?

If what he says is true then all of my commentary regarding timmae is wrong, because he was literally being himself and pointing out things to show him good.

It's almost deadline and he doesn't want to die? If he's a wolf, he'll do anything to stay alive.. and this seems like a relatively safe play to do so.

We have 7 minutes to decide.

why wait until 20 minutes before deadline to reveal?

Fair enough, if he's lying where is the real priest? Lets prove him wrong.

Because unless he had something concrete he shouldn't be revealing at all, so this makes sense.

In my opinion, if he's lying then the real Priest should pray he doesn't get night killed and then reveal tomorrow.

I'll bite. if he's lying then he got me and i will repay him in some future game ;)


UNVOTE

VOTE COFFEE WARLORD

3 Minutes.....

Did you unvote first? I have you as being on EagleFan post #304

ugh why did i join this

soo sooo hate noreveals

I am legit. Telle and coffee are prime suspects.

i mean that's just it. because it is no reveal there is no way of knowing for the village
if he is a wolf guessing then he guessed right

otherwise

if he IS the priest...waiting to claim is his perrogative trying not to give himself away blahblah

on the other hand i probably would have revealed it earlier

but then again....knowing that brit was the sorc does not help the village one iota

except maybe stopping people thinking I am the sorc

yeah i don't like telle's posts lately timmae

hate this post

i mean this is true too and definitely what a wolf would do

we have no way of knowing either way

my own feeling is to trust a claim that hasn't been cc-ed is really the only thing we can do

Why? Revealing two minutes before deadline seemed like a bad move. If timmae was lying then it makes sense for the real Priest to wait it out at that point. The only danger is if the wolves manage to get lucky.. and I thought putting in the "pray" line for a Priest was witty.

Sorry, hit refresh to get back in and got a site error for some reason.

Looks like I missed a bunch.

So, IF timmae was telling the truth that changes my read of CF, but we won't know unless there is a real priest still around.

So IF timmae was telling the truth:

britt (S)
Autumn (V) Roled?
timmae (V)

Leaves us at 4-2 and about to be 3-2. We have to be perfect the next two lynches, or if we are good tomorrow we need the hunter to still be around for the end.

Sounds perfectly easy... :eek:

The other options are:

timmae actually the sorcerer; still likely leaves us in the same scenario

timmae a wolf: Likely leaves us 3-1-1 tomorrow (still 3-2). I don't see an upside in him doing a fake reveal of that if he is a wolf.

If you're a wolf and dead either way, why not do a fake reveal? What's the downside?

vote-by-vote for Day 2:

Day 2
EagleFan voted for Telle in post 146
The Jackal voted for CrimsonFox in post 152
timmae voted for CrimsonFox in post 155
Coffee Warlord voted for timmae in post 186
CrimsonFox voted for timmae in post 209
timmae UNVOTED in post 227
timmae voted for Coffee Warlord in post 228
EagleFan UNVOTED in post 229
RendeR voted for timmae in post 230
EagleFan voted for Coffee Warlord in post 236
The Jackal UNVOTED in post 238
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 263
CrimsonFox voted for The Jackal in post 264
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 277
Telle voted for timmae in post 293
The Jackal voted for timmae in post 299
CrimsonFox voted for EagleFan in post 304
RendeR UNVOTED in post 327
RendeR voted for Coffee Warlord in post 327
CrimsonFox UNVOTED in post 330
CrimsonFox voted for Coffee Warlord in post 331

Huh.. well that takes care of that theory of mine.

Wow... will post more later but...

Coffee Warlord was a werewolf. Down to 1 wolf village! Let's hunt this day!!

EagleFan: Shortest WW entrance and exit in history, didn't last a full 24 hours....

So our choices tomorrow are:

Jackal
Telle
CrimsonFox

I know I'm just a villager, I have no role I have nothing special

one of those three is the hunter, one is the other Wolf.

After Crimson's attitude during the last game, he's positively morose in this one, I'm leaning his way to start. if anyone has anything to move that let me know.

Whew, that was crazy. Ok, it is down to 1 ww and 4 villagers. I truly think our seer was autumn. There was almost nothing to go on but I think someone caught the possible hint. We can discuss if needed but if the seer is still alive then claim and we win this. If not, please believe me that the sorc and one wwrewolf is down. My guess is that I am alive because the last werewolf figured they could create doubt today. We are in great shape.

Does an all claim clear this up? The werewolf knows I am what I say I am now. Maybe they thought I was the sorc but nope. I am almost assuredly dead during the NK. Worst case is the hunter is dead. Then we have 3 vanilla villagers and there could be 4 claims of vanilla
We need to figure this out without an all claim I think.

shrug

autumn is always the first night kill here
another reason it is less fun :(

hi timmae

world 1:
Priest - Timmae
wolf - Coffee
sorc - brit
dead v's = ef, autumn did ef claim? I need to go read him

world 2:
wolf - timmae
vv or good spec - coffee
brit could still be the sorc in timmae wolf world
he could also be wolf but less likely.
granted we'd need to figure out if bussing existed
If brit good, then lynch 1 was wolf?

WOrld 3
if timmae wolf and other wolf and sorc still alive...
9 minus 4 dead villas = 5 people left
this is worst case
but wolves don't know sorc
timmae could have just said "hey sorc vote with us and we win" but he doesn't know
so in the case of timmae + wolf still alive they would still have to assume it was 2 wolces vs 3 villas worst case.
so unfortunately we can't rule this out either

However there was no priest counterclaim.
So I am still siding with timmae being the real deal. The only other alternative i think was autumn or inactive brit was priest and he just yoloed saying he was priest

but there is absolutely zero way we can know this at this point.

No yolo crimson. I am the real deal. I need to reread in the morn but village has this dominated.

there's no such thing as dominating a no reveal game, realdeal
and seriously i'mma just calling you realdeal for now and evermore

i would definitely like to hear some of your analysis realdeal
any topic will do

isn't there actually an fofc member called realdeal?

Real deal - Autumn may be seer, almost a lock as there wasn't an immidia-claim today.

Real deal - brit was the sorc

Real deal - Coffee was an evil, foaming werewolf.

Real deal - People find reasons to call someone evil rather than give them credit for trying their ass off to find evil.

Real deal - My allies that I love vs our axis of evil.

Real deal - JAG musing during every step of this nightmare he has perpetuated.

Wow, there is. And he was a ww player. Spooky.

pssst
i never read rules

hahaha i THOUGHT i rememberedd seeing him before reading through old games :)

maybe jackal knows him?

you still think this?

reminding myself that i said this. granted i was really wrong about you timmae so i could be wrong here

but if of telle/render I think render might be the woofer

this was to render's I"M NOT INACTIVE.

i liked it but meh

check out this post, realdeal2

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Werewolf Xtreme III --- Day 3 Deadline Wednesday 10:00pm EST

render quoting timmae 3 times then quoting coffee once and then declaring timmae is a wolf

Render, can you explain why you think the hunter is still alive? I think it is possible that the hunter was NK'd (or lynched if you don't believe me yet).

ok, for today let's talk this thing out and get our wolfy. The roles in bold are hard claim from me. You don't have to believe me 100% but please take a moment to reread the posts with my claim in mind.

WOLF 1 - Coffee Warlord
WOLF 2 - ???
SORCERER - Britrock

SEER - The seer is almost certainly Autumn. It is possible it may have been EF but the right play was absolutely to come out with their scans yesterday when I claimed priest. He was away maybe when I claimed so wouldn't be able to claim at the last 15 minutes. That was my bad about not giving as much time as possible near the end. However, I think the seer was Autumn. It is possible that the seer is still alive
PRIEST - Timmae
HUNTER - Either EF or still alive
VILLAGER - Render claim. Need to clear this.
VILLAGER - Telle claim. Need to clear this.
VILLAGER - ???

Jackal and Crimsonfox haven't claimed yet.

I reread the game with the knowledge that CW is a wolf. It is quite clear to me who the other werewolf is but I'd like some discussion before I throw my thoughts out there.

Just taking a quick break at work to catch up on where things are since last night.

What does everyone think about timmae being the priest and NOT getting night killed? If he's telling the truth then there's only one wolf left and that wolf is in a desperate spot. Would it have made sense for the remaining wolf to let timmae live to cause confusion, while knowing that timmae would reveal that a wolf was just lynched so that we then all know that there's only one wolf left?

If timmae is telling the truth then we're at 4 villagers and 1 wolf with no sorcerer to muck things up. We're in a as good of a spot possible without having already won and have both tonight and tomorrow to find the wolf.

If timmae is lying then we're potentially at 3-2 and this is it.

I'm slammed at work today, will get back to give my thoughts later this afternoon. Initial read is that's great news about CW being a wolf -- I feel like the real priest would have countered by now if timmae is lying, so the only snag is if timmae is a wolf who got lucky with picking a role of someone who was already dead. But signs point to him telling the truth so far -- more later as I have a chance to catch up

Just checking in... I'll add more musings mid to late afternoon. I have done a thorough read through and have some feedback to share. My gut feel is 2 are cleared through key posts and the other through gut feel. I'd like to see more from a few of you though! Let your thoughts roll!!

Ok, I guess the time is now. I'll post a wall of text on my 2 in depth reads and then post a quick blurb on my gut feels based on those reads. I'll be around to discuss off and on.

Thoughts on Telle.


Early D1 Wolf CW votes Telle. Likely doesn't happen if she is a wolf partner.


A bit of hunting. A good sign overall for villagers.


This is end of D1 near lynch. I don't think that Wolf Telle points out strategy for Wolf CW because if he moves his vote to save her from Villager Render then it looks quite bad.


Early D2 would Wolf CW push Telle for being wolfy when she just escaped the lynch? Likely not.



End of D2 when I claimed Wolf Telle could have been silent as I was in the lead and under pressure. Instead she was pushing a possible vote move.

KEY POST is #329.


At that point Render jumped from me to Coffee Warlord making it 3 votes each. If Telle was a wolf then no way would she point out to CF that his vote on CW doesn't count because he didn't unvote. Wolf Telle would let it ride and hope no one else catches it. Thus saving CW due to LHV. That act cause CW to be lynched and not me. Could a wolf pull this move, possibly. Would there be any incentive to though is the key item. Going into D3 with 2 wolves is way more important.

I read Telle as exactly what she claimed. Vanilla villager.

Thoughts on CrimsonFox.


This was the vote that wasn't D1 since he didn't unvote. This happens again with the Telle catch on late D2. I think it is truly villager CF not checking rules.


Late D2 Wolf CW points out the CF appeared when he was mentioned. I don't think a wolf says that about a wolf and drawing attention to them.

Then crimson starts his walls of posts and throwing thoughts out there. This is a villager move in my mind. He doesn't care how he reads or by whom it would appear.

Both Crimson and Coffee are voting for me early D2. In a no reveal game that may happen but still unlikely for 2 wolves to vote onto 1 player so soon. If CF was wold then he jumps off of me, who he would know is a wolf, to Jackal who has no votes, thus thinning the votes out. For no reason. This reads village to me. He pushes the fact that the game may be over late in D2 when I am hung up. A wolf probably just lets it happen without saying much of anything. Crimson then jumps from EF, to wolf CW. The unvote thing happens and when Telle points it out he unvoted immediately and votes CW. I don't see a wolf doing that to his partner. Again, for no reason.

I read CF as villager.

Thoughts on Render.

I have a tough time overall with him as past games we have been at odds almost from D1 both times. I think it was 2. Anyways, he seems to me like a player that goes by tone, feel and syntax if that makes sense at all. Less Data Geek and more "aha, gotcha". Probably not fair but that's my take. Anyways, my reads on him have been absolutely more gut feel from my side because of that. When he pushed I pushed type thing. At the end of it all, I get the sense he is villager. He has pushed for info, stated hwhen something doesn't seem right and hasn't seemed to care much about how he has been viewed.

Leaning village here.

Thoughts on Jackal (in this world view our wolf).


Feels like an ok entry post. Village tone.

Mid day D1 has a few middle of the road posts with gameplay thoughts.


Sticks in the middle here.

He is ok with a train on brit or mau at the end of the day. As wolf he could be protecting render or telle here but unlikely as that would draw some attention. Ending up voting on inactive player in brit which is a vote on the unknown sorc.


D2 he starts by staying in the middle of whether telle is villager or not and leans villager.


This is another middling post with no concrete stance of good versus evil.


This post pushes more suspicion onto CF and votes CF.


Over explains when he pulls his vote off of CF.

I took note during my read through he never mentions whether he thinks I am good or evil but places a 4th vote on me late in D2. Overall he has not pushed anyone too hard and has played middle of the road. I truly think he is our wolf that was reading me as the sorc.

This read has more to do with being sold that Telle and CF likely are not wolves based on daily interactions with CW. Both of them absolutely could make a super awesome play and be wolves but I feel like that is unlikely. My gut tells me Render is village and Jackal is wolf.

hmmmm render DID do THIS
coulda been insurance but that was at a time when I think the wolves could have won

oops didn't mean to include the first post in that. must have accidently multiquoted

grrrr every time i find a good post i want to quote i lose it again...

anyway telle isn't a wolf
i had several reasons but now i can't find them

it's render of jackal

and that last second render vote on coffee...wow
if that's a wolf then they are seriously bussing.
on the other hand you DID call yourself the priest then and that's a good reason to flip

but jackal hasn't been stellar

vote jackal

i'mma read realdeal's stuff some more

Thanks CF! Any feedback and discussion is good for the village right now.

okay cool we're on the same page....there was a great render post long and detailed that i liked and then there was that post about you realdeal.

but he did vote off coffee after i did
or maybe at the same time

50/50 i think on that

i guess the answer to "why didn't the wolf kill timmae" is because that means he would be confirmed priest instead of wibblywobbly priest

if i can't have you...I don't want nobody baby

hello world there's a song that we're singin
to make you happyyyyyyyyyy
a whole lotta lovin is what we'll be bringin
to make you happy

it's almost halloween so i am making a jag o lantern

jagjagjagjagjagjagjag

little ditty bout jag and diane
two american wolves eating a bowl of marzipan

gajgajgajgajgaj

telle come on in and give us your charts and graphs

i resurrect chief rum to solve this for us

I'm a VV, re: timmae's quote thread above, it's been ages since I've played so I'm sure my posts have probably come off fairly neutral as I'm figuring things out

to be fair I did not throw much suspicion on CW and my voting record doesn't do me any favors assuming he is a wolf..