It appears I have trangressed another of the Kingdom's rules. As Queen Regent I believed, erroniously, that I would be above such petty rules but it seems I was mistaken.

(I thought we could send one PM to each player/day. In retrospect I realise that that would be quite a lot of PMs zinging around. Luckily Chief caught it before I'd spammed the lot of you :) ).

Cersei overstepping boundaries? Say it is not so!

You are far from the only one whose reach exceeds their grasp in this group.

I am sure that as I speak the great lords of the land are meeting in councils, plotting and pondering how to risk the emnity of a house by being seen to be the first to break ranks and accuse someone. I have no such compunctions and am prepared to sacrifice myself and make my vote as my conscience tells me. The fact that my vote counts for less than that of a convicted smuggler or foreign witch is a source of vexation to me. But I shall use it as I choose fit and hope that others recognise the sense of what I am saying.

Vote Melisandre/Bulletsponge

Can there be any real doubt that a heretical witch from across the seas can be anything BUT an enemy of the realm. Nobody knows what foul powers she commands and this is the reason she should be declared a traitor.

Convicting the witch will hopefully open Stannis' eyes to his folly before he slips further down the slope to heresy. He will have to execute the witch and renounce her foreign god or declare himself wholly in the Red Priestess' dominion by pardoning her. And conseqently losing whatever small respect he has among the people of the realm. To release her would risk her powers falling into the hands of another King, a risk I am sure that Stannis will not allow.

Furthermore if the red witch chooses to flee from Stannis before he can bring his judgement upon her this will leave her alone and unable to fight off whichever King chooses to capture her. Of course, I am certain, that none of the other noble houses would wish to embrace such a heretical sorceress and make use of her dark powers, despite the obvious temptation to do so. Clearly everyone in the realm (saving a few misguided heretics) will feel safer if the uncertain powers of the witch are removed from the shores of Westeros for good.

Chief - If I send my Hand as emissary to another King, do I still retain PM rights with him that day?

And second question - can you only ever have 3 bannermen in your employ at one time?

No one who has ever met me has ever suggested I resemble my brother, Lord Varys, certainly not in acting rashly or out of anger. I will rule because the kingdom needs a ruler, and one that is fit. Renly is like my older brother, but without his use as a warrior. Joffrey and Robb are too young to rule a kingdom. The choice for you is clear.

You consider it brave, Cersei, to call for the head of a priestess and advisor with no soldiers to her name? Melisandre serves a different god, it is true. But she serves a god. Perhaps she frightens you, Cersei, because you know there is no god who you can hide your foul crimes from.

You suggest the kingdom rid itself of a holy woman for what? So we can take our spiritual concerns to you? Or is it to distract us from the fact that your family houses a monstrous murderer and a kingslayer? What has Melisandre done that can compare to the crimes of Jaime Lannister or Gregor Clegane?

If the Lannisters want to prove themselves fit to rule, let them begin by cleaning their own house. I understand the bonds of family, so perhaps they can show their honor by instead casting out a man guilty of more violent murders than any other in this realm.

VOTE SER GREGOR CLEGANE / JULIO RIDDOLS

I am uncertain as to the crimes of my brother, my lord Stannis. Do you refer to his decision to kill the tyrant king and pave the way for your own brother to take the crown?

I can agree that Clegane is not a traditional chivalrous knight and I could certainly be swayed in voting for him at a later stage but the fact remains that your pet witch and her eldritch powers provides a threat to everyone in the realm while she is unleashed. Nobody could accuse Clegane of offering a subtle threat. The same is not true for the "holy woman" you speak of.

Her threat is so subtle it is lost on me. I'm curious how you have discovered it when I, her liege lord, know nothing about it. I suppose I'm a simple man. I find a sword more threatening than a priestess.

Though we have heard some disturbing rumors of this Priestess in the North, a man, or a woman's gods is their own business. Are the Seven not still shown respect in the North, the place of the Old Gods? Do we deny southerners their rights and lives simply because they worship different gods than us?

Let men worship what gods they will.

RULE QUESTION:

So just to clarify - if I receive a PM and respond to it, that response constitutes my 1 PM for the day, right? It's "1 PM total" not "1PM+1 response PM"

I don't think that's correct. He says there could be 21 PM's and responses in the rules, so I think that means a response is not you taking the initiative and sending your PM.

RULE QUESTION CLARIFICATION:

My question in post #313 is in reference to people who the player does not have full-communication rights with (presuming that full rights mean those PMs are not counted towards the 1, right)

DaddyT is so committed to being the master of whispers he won't even tell us who he is. *coughsignaturecough*

Spiffy interactive map if you're wondering where shit is.

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Lady Cersei, perhaps I was hasty yesterday -- Westeros is in crisis and you certainly have your part to play in that crisis, as your "dealings" with your brother have led to a false King on the Iron Throne.

I am a man that believes in justice. While I believe that you (and Littlefinger) have not served the realm well in the past, fairness insists that I judge you on your actions from this point forward.

As I have stated, I welcome those bannermen and lords that serve the peoples and the realms aim, and have no use for those who do not.

dont be envious Narcizo, i know you wish the red witch was in your keep

Of course Uncle you would want to try to take out Ser Gregor. He is a fearsome warrior and one that would smash anyone in your pitiful army. What crimes do you accuse Ser Gregor of committing? Being a good knight and loyal to his king and thus killing enemy soldiers. If that is the case then you may need to dismiss all of your Knights.

Quiet boy, and let the men speak. And before you call me uncle, you may wish to ask your mother some difficult questions.

No true knight in this realm supports what Clegane does on the battlefield. Now that you have betrayed the realm and stolen the throne, he is an enemy of all who side with justice. All we ask is that you deliver the justice he deserves.

I serve only to protect the king, and the realm he reigns over. It is my job, and my intent.

I am not a man of politics, but Stannis Baratheon claims he is the "rightful" heir, but what good is a "rightful" heir who has been turned into a puppet? He projects Melissandre as a weak, non influential non-entity publicly, but privately, I suspect she pulls all the strings and even he does not know it. Does it benefit the realm to allow Stannis to rule with that witch whispering lies into his ear? She is too inconspicuous to ignore.

While I've no doubt myself and Stannis do not see eye to eye on all things, we see eye to eye on one matter - murderers of innocents cannot be suffered in either North or South.

VOTE SER GREGOR CLEGANE / JULIO RIDDOLS

Leave the reasoning to the men at the council table, warrior. The Lannisters would have us direct our fear and anger at a holy woman, because she is quiet. I have heard that the Lannisters can twist truth but it would take quite a silver tongue to convince anyone of this. Ignore the armies and murderers sitting in King's Landing so that we can deal with a woman who is "too inconspicuous?" I don't think any of us are that foolish.

Who are these innocents that Ser Gregor killed? Your pitiful soldiers are not innocent. I ask you how many innocents has Melisandre burned? You ask that all gods be worshiped but you know she will burn your weirwood trees if she has the chance.

Just a head's up to anybody else who missed it, there's a lot more rules posted.

It's not my fault innocents got in the way of me doing my job. I do as I am told, and make sure the job is done. If that means blood on my hands, so be it. My loyalty cannot be questioned.

Yes, well your loyalty to a false king doesn't mean much to anyone else.

Which means what?

He saw you on the privy, Mr. Bug.

He should have.checked Tywin's as it would have yielded gold

Today will be interesting as we watch to see how alliances are formed. It is unlikely that any of the would-be rulers are strong enough on their own to silence all of the other armies.

I have felt the resentment towards Joffrey and our house in this thread and have concerns over how this will translate into action on this eve. However, I would remind others that Lannister can be a strong ally. Lannister will, however these politics play out, have a great deal to say about the makeup of the final two kings who will contest the throne.

Even you yourself have been taken by her charms it appears. I ask you this - If she is just a quiet holy woman, then what makes her different from any other quiet holy woman? You yourself should fear her influence, but sadly it seems you are blinded by the belief that you are indeed Azor Ahai. She believes what she sees in the fires and now you too have fallen under the spell. What happens when the spell is broken and you find yourself with nothing but faith in a false God?

As far as I can see, Clegane, Melisandre has done the realm no harm. If we can all say the same, more honor to us.

The problem is you can't see beyond the end of your nose.

If I were Renly, I would have some grave concerns about Melisandre. I'm not Renly, I can't tell him how he should feel.

But to suggest that Melisandre is some pastor giving a sermon twice on Sundays is a delusional viewpoint held only by Stannis. Not even his own bannermen will subscribe to that notion, although they liked are too cowed to speak their concerns publicly.

I'm curious about this Lord Paramount. You have a sense of reverence to your Grandson, who is the byproduct of incest between the treacherous Kingslayer and your daughter. By all reasoning, he should be a Lannister as he is 100% that.

Yet when it comes to your other son, one would think you have anything more than reluctant disdain for your own flesh and heir to the Westerlands. So why the reluctance to embrace your one true heir?

Is it because Joff is the oldest son of your oldest son, making him your true heir?

I would gladly wish for a son again, dwarf or not, after mine were cut down by he Kingslayer

Let us start with the infant child of the late Prince Rhaegar. Followed by the rape and murder of the boys own mother, and let us not forget the countless other innocents your Mountain has slaughtered.

And if the Red Priestess wishes to burn the weirwoods, we will give her to her own flames. But the law does not punish what might be done. The law punishes what has been done. Clegane deserves no pardon for his sins, nor does he deserve a place in honor in this realm.

I think I have since addressed this (lots of PMs lol), but just in case, no, you don't.

Good question and wondered when it migth come up.

Yes, you can have more than three bannermen in your employ.

The tricky part will be them knowing that only three of them can win.

Yeah, you did.

If you receive a PM, you may respond once to it, irrespective of your personal PM rights.

Receiving a PM and responding to it does not lose you your own one PM per day right.

For instance, you could receive three PMs, and respond to all three, and you owuld still have your own PM you could send to whomever you wish.

Several of your family have much to answer for. But, the cold truth is, you neither held the sword nor gave the order to murder my father. Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope for you.

Correct. The responses don't count against the individual PM count.

I should have been more clear. An emmissary from House Baratheon of Storm's End was seen in the House Stark camp.

Suddenly when a man who is trained to murder does what he is trained for he becomes a threat to the realm? Don't be naive, Robb Stark. Stannis may be plying you with wealth and warriors, but do not let his mistress pull the veil over your eyes. He has no desire to be slowed in his desperate reach for the crown, and the witch will certainly make sure he keeps his focus. She has a lot to gain by this. I, on the other hand, have nothing to gain. Perhaps past crimes should not be of such great concern when the intent of all those who reach for the crown is to seize it for themselves. You can be a stepping stone or you can forge your own path without the old man's ravings clouding your mind.

Hey Chief, can you put the reference materials (lands, their values, etc) on page 1 for us?

Sure... after lunch. :D

It is clear that the die is cast for today unless Lord Renly wishes to contest the voting. A deal has been reached between the Starks and Stannis - so be it. I have no doubt that Clegane will flee from justice and his few lands will be forfeited to my son. There are far worse results to the day's events. Clearly the North are willing or have been recompensed to allow Stannis free access to the powers of the sorceress. Nor do they fear a rogue, rampaging Mountain ravaging their lands. My Lord Stark's sense of justice is reminiscent of his father's. One only hopes that the end results are not the same.

I certainly have concerns about Melisandre as I honor the Seven rather than this red God, and mean to keep an open mind about how to proceed.

However, I also have grave concerns about your Mountain, and feel it is appropriate for him to pay for his crimes.

VOTE SER GREGOR CLEGANE/JULIO RIDDOLS

If that is true then you truly are a simple man. A sword, or a thousand swords, are a known quantity. Your priestess, most decidedly, is not.

If she is the simple holy woman you purport, then release her from your service - allow her to conduct her missionary work in our lands if she wishes. Do so and I will gladly move my vote to Clegane.

So, to inquire, since I'm confused again. :)

When you send an emissary they are gone the remainder of the CURRENT day, have PM rights the entire day, lose PM rights at I'm assuming nightfall, and return at the start of the next?

You all have much more to fear from me as a rogue wandering these lands than you do as a protector of the throne. Do as you wish.

Well, since the throne is where we would all sit, I am not sure that is the case. You think highly of your King if you think that he will set you free to wander. I expect Lannister greed will say otherwise.

The decision does not have to be left to my son. Ser Clegane can choose to quit his court as a fugitive of the realm.

Emmissaries begin their work immediately upon being sent.

I expect most of the time, the PMing between the emmissary and the target King may begin immediately, so as a result, I require that the emmissary be immediately unavailable to read his own faction thread or PM his King (if he is a Hand). I don't want diplomacy to be slow simply for waiting for a deadline, so an emmissary's work starts right when he is sent.

That said, sometimes a King may not be around, or the emmissary isn't sent until later in the day. The emmissary has the rest of this day and the next day to return to camp. So an emmissary can decide at the first deadline after he is sent that he needs to continue dialogue with the target King, and stay on until he feels his business is done. At that point, he returns to his camp, and his normal duties resume. He would still be eligible to be used that day by his King.

If the emmissary's duties take him all the way through the next day as well, he will automatically "return to camp" at the second deadline, regardless of whether or not he completed his dialogue with the target King. He would not be eligible to be used by his King ins ome other way if he is away the entire day as an emmissary.

Hope that makes sense.

Perfect.

To summarize:

Emissary is sent out immediately. Will be gone for one of two durations, to be determined by the emissary himself.
1 - Until the end of the CURRENT day.
2 - Until the end of the FOLLOWING day.

perhaps the trepidation of others to allow your standing to persist is based upon the fact that you have no regard for the throne or the authority that stems from it.

you were arrested by Ser Beric Dondarrion and Thoros of Myr, were you not? and was not this arrest ordered under the law by the rightful Hand of King Robert?

but instead of respecting the King's Justice, you ran Dondarrion through...your loyalty is not to the realm or the throne.

vote gregor clegane/julio riddols

so for those of you who are able to comprehend the fine art of reading and writing (looks at Davos), you will have gleaned from the rules that certain "services" of an informational nature can be at your disposal...

I think there's an in between case as well:


I think that means the emissary must stay until deadline of the first day they were sent. They can return as soon as the first deadline after the day they were sent. They can choose to stay into the second day and return before that day's deadline, and if they do so they are eligible to be sent on another mission that day. They can't stay beyond the second deadline after they have been sent and if they stay that long, they can't have been sent on another mission during that second day.

Nice catch.

See, gentlemen? That's the sign of a quality Hand.

And if anyone in the Lannister thread just noticed, I did in fact mis-click on your thread (noticed right away and didn't see anything). My apologies.

Headed home, communications will be limited for the next few hours. Don't burn the realm without me.

And you are an authority on loyalty?

Roose/JAGs reading is how I interpreted it as well.
I quoted your post because it was shorter.

I trust King Renly's judgment with his vote... I shall follow my King...

VOTE SER GREGOR CLEGANE/JULIO RIDDOLS

Fitting you would be behind your king, Loras.

Any updated vote count?

I think it is something in the realm or everyone voting for me.

I will not unite with others against Ser Gregor. I'm sure this is no great surprise.

I do feel that every day we allow Melisandre to continue to walk among us represents a grave threat. One that is likely to be equally true for kings as it is for peasants. I'm surprised that the desire to strike at House Lannister has obscured the more immediate danger. There are ways to defend against a sword, against a poisoner, against a treasonous lover. But magic from afar - none of us can withstand this type of attack at this time.

VOTE MELISANDRE/BULLETSPONGE

Holy shit! Five minutes have gone by without a PM!

I have gotten like 4 letters today from various people vying for my allegiance / cooperation. Who knew someone so low to the ground would be in such high demand.

I also assume I am not allowed to reply to those messages.

You are. You get 1 free reply to PM's.

Per PM. So someone uses their daily PM to you, you get to respond to it. If 5 people PM you, you get to respond to all 5.

Clearly, I believe that Ser Gregor has done no worse then members of the other "kings" bannerman.

Melisandre has burned any non-belivers of her red god as a sacrifice. Who will avenge their deaths? Or are they not important enough?

I am sure you have all heard the rumors about Roose Bolton and what he has done to his small folk. Rape, flaying, torturing and murdering. Clearly the false kings have no concern over the lives of their small folks or they would look into their camps instead of trying to point out the flaws in the others. If justice must be served then Bolton and Milisandre must be dealt with also.

VOTE MELISANDRE/BULLETSPONGE

Damn, now I don't have a valid excuse for my rudeness of not writing back.

VOTE SER GREGOR CLEGANE/JULIO RIDDOLS
I'll follow my liege.

Posted for my faction. But dell sucks fat sack. So I am comp less till the am. And I too old and cranky to surf on my iPad. So I won't around much...

The Lannister's have long held too much power in this land

Vote The Mountain/Julio Riddols

But will Joffrey Lannister side with his Father's bannerman fellow bannerman and let deeds go unpunished.

I actually care not who is voted out between gregor and mellisandre.

I have returned, and before the pleasures of the flesh in this city tempt the man that I was before I became a eunuch, I have deigned to grace you all with my presence for this period.

I have a thought - why would Joffrey care a whit about the "enemy of the realm" status if he is the blackheart that you all think him to be? If you are determined to relentless attack him and his house, why would he yield one of his men to the will of the attacking houses? What will you do tomorrow, vote Clegor again? Do you expect a different result? Perhaps you should seek a ruler who is more pliable instead ...

Joffrey, I would carefully consider this with Clegor before he makes his own decision. There are obviously a number of ways this situation can play out, but only with careful cooperation and trust does Clegor remain in House Lannister come the morrow.

Well, he could be a wolf, after all...

Wait a minute, I'm a wolf!

You have a keen sense of irony. I would smile, were it in my nature.

While I am no fan of Gregor's primal ways, I am still a Lannister and since neither Gregor's or Mellisandre's death will benefit my own goals, I will abstain from the vote.

Upon further review, it does not appear there is time pressure for Gregor/Joffrey/Jamie to reach a consensus on the Enemy of the Realm decision. The deadline for that announcement is mid-day tomorrow, not tonight's deadline.

This is bollocks.