I'll clarify this, Autumn wasn't suggesting NTN was good, persay, but that he felt CF's writeup was just flavor and that NTN might already be out of the game and we just didn't know it. He backtracked on that later though.

Honestly at this point I'm more willing to go with other people's reads on CR than follow dubb on to Autumn. I'm not really close to making a decision on whether or not I think Autumn has been lying to us or playing us. Sorry if you were expecting me to follow you fully dubb, but I need to think about it some more.

To be clear, the only thing that seemed to cause me to move, if anything under my control, was putting in my investigation order. Some time after that I was moved by CF. My guess was that that area was just going to close that day, and he decided to do it mid day. Even though I saw a parchment I felt like that was probably just flavor, it didn't seem like anything to do with a spell, especially since it seemed the Trail got closed up the next day. It will be interesting to see if there was anyone on the trail when that happened.

I think we should probably not vote Zinto or Mckerney today, just because they could make it here and tell us what has happened in their threads. If they get lynched we'll have to leave to read their threads, or to see their corpses. Now that I think of it that way, lynching Darth probably wasn't a great idea for the same reason.

While on the subject of corpses, what are people's opinions about NTN's corpse. Do you think CF's description suggests he is good (just a regular corpse)? Or does it mean we won't be able to tell the difference between wolf corpses and villagers??

Yes, I went back and read the rules and realized there should be a corpse in the area if we had killed him. I still don't quite understand what happened though. NTN apparently had a special ability to allow him to escape the lynch? Is that what other people are assuming?

Or is it that there was a tie because NTN and no lynch both had 3 votes?

But why did he get to leave the area? I agree, it should have been a no lynch. But he fled at lynch time, that must be a special ability right? I thought maybe he activated it thinking he would be lynched. I suppose he might have done that even if he was a villager. But when he arrived here, he claimed he didn't have any votes again him, I think.

It jsut seems strange that the corpse would not reveal his allegiance, but that when he ran from our area he was revealed as strange looking. If that was supposed to tell us he was a Deadite, wouldn't his corpse do the same?

I know I have been guilty of this assumption, Autumn. So I just restarted thread from beginning again, and here it is clearly spelled out:


You are absolutely right. Sorry that I misunderstood this point...

Just my thoughts before I head off to work. I agree that we should stay in a larger group, but I believe we have explored all we can in the main room of the cabin and think we should move to the yard next to meet with Danny and who ever else isn't here. That said we are going to have to do a lot of note taking if we ever do decide to leave this room so we don't lose everything that has happened here.

Finally the only person, to my knowledge, left in the cabin and not main room is Chief, if we decide to lynch him, I think we should all move to the yard. Only problem is we need it to be a runaway because if it is close than there will be some room for people to stay in the cabin because they thought someone else would be lynched.

The benefit I say to staying in this room is that it is central. People who come out of the cellar or study will come here. People who come out of the yard will come here. WE saw the Road and Trail thread disappear while we were out there, and I would bet the Woods thread will disappear before long. So I think it's easier for people to gather here than anywhere else.

Some of us have been in all those threads out there, so we can give you guys info if you have questions. I've tried to track it all in my notes I've posted, in terms of people and votes and items.

Also, I think Mauboy is with Chief in the cellar, and Bhlloy is in the Study.

Chief and mauboy both went to the cellar, so there are at least 2 not outside that aren't in this room. I'd have to go back and double check the thread to see if anyone is still in the study.

Investigate Study

I've yet to go to the study and would like to go see the discussion that took place there. It would be useful to go to one place so we can all discuss the current goings on, but after the whole Autumn/Dubb/Jackal debate has shown, the stories we get after the fact can be interpreted quite differently than what is spelled out in the thread.

Day One

*Road - Autumn, The Jackal, Zinto, NTNdeacon, MrBug708
3 votes for NTN (jackal, mrbug, ?), 1 for mrbug (me) 1 for ?

*Trail - Darth Vilus, Dubb, Mauboy, Commo, Dzilla
3 votes for no lynch

*Yard - bhlloy, mckerney, J23
1-1-1 vote

Study - tyketime, Chief Rum, Danny (finds spell here?), Narcizo
3 votes for Danny


Day Two

*Road - Autumn (later gone to Woods)

*Trail - Zinto, Mckerney

*Woods - The Jackal, MrBug (finds knife), Dubb (finds paper), Darth Vilus, (later Autumn)
4 votes for NTN (darth no show)

*Yard - Commo, Dzilla, Mauboy
3 votes for Darth

*Cabin - Bhlloy, J23, Danny, NTNdeacon (dies)

Study - Tyketime, Chief Rum, Narcizo


Day Three

Trail or Woods - Zinto, Mckerney

Woods - Darth Vilus (likely lynched)

*Yard - Jackal, Autumn, Dubb, MrBug708 (loses knife)
3 votes DV (no vote bug)

*Cabin - Commo, Mauboy, Dzilla, Narcizo (dies night 3), Tyketime, Chief Rum, Danny (has knife, has spell), J23

Study - Bhlloy


Day Four

Cellar - Chief Rum, Mauboy

*Cabin - Commo, Dzilla, Tyketime, Danny (later left), J23, Jackal, Autumn, Dubb

Yard - MrBug 708

Study - Bhlloy

Woods or Yard - (Zinto, Mckerney, Darth) (Danny in Woods?)



*Complete, confirmed roster

Trail leads to Woods or Yard (or Road??)
Trail was investigated by Zinto, Mckerney

Road leads to Trail or Woods
*Road was investigated by Autumn+

Woods leads to Trail, Road or Yard
*Woods was investigated by Dubb+, Darth, Jackal, Mr.Bug+

Yard leads to Trail, Woods, Cabin
*Yard was investigated by Common, Dzilla, Mauboy

Cabin leads to Yard, Study, Cellar
*Cabin was investigated by Bhlloy, J23

Cellar leads to ?
*Cellar was investigated by Chief Rum, Mauboy

What do you mean by the thread disappeared? They're clearly still there. Was the option to go there removed at some point that you know of?

Yes, if you look in the forum, the Road thread andt he Trail thread are marked "closed". When we wre in the Woods we were told we could no longer go to the Road, and then when we were in the Yard we were told the Trail had closed in.

Well that sucks. I was really hoping to be able to see some of the conversations that took place in the thread rather than people's summaries after the fact. Even if people are trying to be unbiased, it's pretty hard to take your impression out of it.

Do we think more items will appear throughout the game in the different areas (those that remain open)? I just wonder if it is worth investigating the same area more than once as the game progresses.

Yeah I would say that is the most unexpected twist I'm finding in this game. It's really hard to have conversations and not have people be able to see the discussions, or even go back and confirm what was said yourself. It creates quite a dynamic because I too would love to go and see what has been said in other threads, ones I haven't been to and ones that I've since left, but we'll be running around in circles if we keep all doing that.

This will be me railroading everyone again, I guess, but I still will suggest that at least for one day we all stay here. It's the central location and I think everyone should end up here within a day unless people stop moving. Zinto and Mckerney should be in the Yard, unless they didn't move yesterday, which would be odd. I would assume bhlloy, chief and mauboy are all going to move here today.

If there is a reveal on lynch (which I'm unsure of) it really pays to have us all in the same room. Hopefully Zinto or Mckerney or Danny can make it back here and tell us what they saw (presuming Darth got lynched in the Woods).

I'm not sure. Danny found a knife here after the initial investigation, but that was pretty clearly related to the corpse. Let's keep track of items now

Shovel - found on Road, first investigation
Knife - found in Woods, first investigation; later found in corpse in Cabin, how?
Parchment - founds in Woods, first investigation
Spell - found in Study, day one, how?

I wanted to ask Danny about his spell. I don't understand how he could have found it in the study, since he started there, and never investigated there. That seems to not follow the rules or other people's experiences. I'm also not sure how Danny got hold of the kinfe, if he actually did something or if it was just random.

I think shooting to all be here in 2 days would be easy enough. With the woods thread being open, I'd assume that someone is still out there (maybe this is wrong?) so that would mean they could go to the yard tomorrow and then into the cabin the next day. Today, someone could go to the yard and leave a message for people to know to come to the cabin the following day.

I guess I would add that most areas have been investigated multiple times, for example this area has been entered/investigated almost every day. So far we don't have anyone saying that they've found an item on a second investigation.

When ntn's corpse showed up here it didn't seem to have any particular reveal.

Sure, tha'ts not a bad idea, leaving a message. It seemed like Danny was sent to the Woods by whatever moved him. So he's the furthest out at the moment. It will be interesting to see if the Woods are closed during the day. Road closed D2, Trail D3.

Well, I'll have to look back but i Think it said something like "it looks like a regular corpse." Which seems like a no reveal, I agree, except that when NTN fled from the Road, he was described as having yellow teeth and crazy hair or something. If that was meant to imply him being a Deadite, (which I guess according to the movies it does), it's odd that wasn't mentioned about his corpse.

I know I haven't. But in rereading the rules, CF does make mention that "items may end up back in a room". My guess is that all items were already in their starting locations. Do we have any confirmed usage of an item. I wonder if once an item is used, it returns back to the original location?

I'm not sure how spells work, but weapons can be used multiple times, but there is a chance of losing them. Bug lost the knife during the lynch, and Danny recovered it. I'm not sure if any spells have been used. I thought Dubb said he used his spell a couple of nights ago, but I haven't heard more about it.

DO NOT NETER unless told!

I'd like to say I have not netered at all, unless specifically asked to by CF.

I guess I missed the fact that Bug lost a knife during the lynch. I guess that makes whether or not Ntn was a good/bad guy potentially more important and what impact the knife might have had on his death.

I no longer have my spell.

For full disclosure, mine was the shovel that was indicated in the writeup too. I think the weapons must impact votes as CF has described something to that effect to me each lynch I've had my weapon. I presume they increase your vote, but there's a chance you lose it each time you use it.

Don't we think someone has to go to the study and check on Bhlloy? I mean, what is he doing in there. Is he dead? I think we need to check on him. I'm willing to go, but I'm not going alone.

Perhaps he thought, like tyke, that he needed to stay there to investigate it? Or he simply missed a day, like Darth did. Those are the only two non-nefarious reasons I can think of.

I'd suggest we wait a day, and hopefully gather most people here, before we split up again, but obviously I'm not going to suggest that very hard to you, Dubb ;-)

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! :D

In all seriousness I'm going somewhere. I'm not just going to stay here. I feel like moving on is the best way to keep gathering information rather than constantly needing people to relay it to me second hand.

If no one else chooses cellar or study then I will go to the yard.

There was a gunshot though Autumn. Most likely came from the study. No one knows though. If Bholly survived it we will have to take his word for what it was.

That's a good point, I forgot about the gunshot. And only one person in there. That's weird.

I guess if bhlloy does come here, and someone's already going there to double check, we'll be sure to get the truth one way or another.

I wonder if there's some danger in being alone in an area. I just got moved when I was. But it would be interesting to see what has happened to bhlloy, darth, zinto, mckerney and danny, if any of them were alone and what happened.

I was about to say maybe that's when the wolves can get you, but Narc died right here, didn't he. I should go back and read that, it's been kind of overlooked, but I wonder if there were any clues there.

Nothing really there in Narc's death.

The gunshot happened at 9:44, so before night deadline, which is interesting. It does say "next room" so I think that implies the study, definitely not the cellar. The gunfire happened after lynch, but before dawn. Maybe bhlloy has a weapon and that was the sound of him using it in the lynch vote?

UNINVESTIGATE CABIN
INVESTIGATE STUDY

I keep saying I want to go forwards, I actually forgot I was already inside the cabin and that would just be investigating the room we're in.

Are we agreeing to try and meet back here after tomorrow? I'll be tempted to go in the cellar but I guess it depends on who/what I see in the study.

I thought we buried ntn's corpse in the Yard (Post #222).

Well I started in the Study, so I have lots of background for that room. But I think I want to wait one more day before moving. I'm expecting the Cellar dwellers to reappear (unless there is another way out of the house from the Cellar). If bhlloy doesn't reappear, I'm going to assume he's dead. I don't think I want to spend two days to confirm that. Of course, with a gunshot sound, presumably there's a gun in there. So if you stay the course and investigate the Study, I expect you'll have a gun to bring back and help us against the baddies.

This has pinged me as well. I'm not so sure I believe he was able to grab a spell as we simultaneously voted him out. I suppose it's possible of Investigations happen before lynchings, but that would seem highly unlikely (a player gets the item, and then gets lynched). On second thought, that sequence would not make sense to me.

Yes, I guess what I mean to say is did anyone investigate his corpse before that? I'm wondering A) if that could have told us something about his allegiance, and B) if that is how Danny got the knife, or if NTN might have had an item.

My understanding is that no one should have found an item on day one. No areas were investigated until people moved at deadline. Danny said he found the spell in the study, but he moved to the main cabin area day 2, so if he found something it would have been here.

I don't think you've mentioned anything in this thread about wanting to move forwards. As best I can interpret from the Autum/dubb postings, it was Autumn "leading" the effort to move on. Can anyone else in your group confirm you were also interested in moving on from room to room? Just trying to understand your shift in destinations - especially to a place no one else has mentioned (and with plenty of postings from Danny/Chief/myself) on what went on in that room the first few days.

Quite frankly I find it odd you don't want anyone to go into that room. With Danny now flying out for some reason, Chief drawing most of the votes today, you advocating in prior days for random votes on people you hadn't contacted(all three of you started in that room afterall), and a mystery gunshot taking place I find it very odd you wouldn't want that room investigated by an outside source.

In previous areas (woods, yard), it seemed Jackal was intent on moving forward towards the cabin. I don't remember him flirting with staying back or going a different way. I couldn't really say whether he was interested in heading beyond the main cabin room though, we never talkd about that that I recall.

I think Jackal explained earlier in this thread that he went along w/ Autumn's "push" to move to the cabin because he was planning on heading here anyway.

Hmmm... I didn't say I didn't want him to, just asking the motivation. I am suspicious of anyone looking to split the group up.

Well then add Jackal and I to the suspect list.

I want more information and I want to acquire that information first hand. I would rather not have to take info 2nd had and then try and determine if they are telling the truth or are acting wolfish.

I'm pretty sure I'm already investigating the study too, so add me on the list too!

I had noticed this change in the list, and asked CF about it. And so this suggests that both of these guys were villagers.

Of those with votes, I'm hesitant about voting Chief or Autumn. Chief because he's one of only two people currently in the cellar and Autumn because he has been pretty helpful so far and has been pretty convincing to me w/ the answers he's given to dubb's questions/accusations (and I feel like Jackal has backed him up at least somewhat).

I don't have a great feel for a different lynch target, but I'm leaning towards Mckerney or Darth.

Darth because he is still alive after seeming to get most of the votes yesterday. 3 votes from the yard group, 2 from the cabin group. Either someone else got 5 votes or something else was in play here.

Mckerney because he seems to have moved away from other people rather than trying to join together. This might just be exploring, but still just doesn't sit right to me.

I guess that's obvious with Narc, but I'm so excited to see some info, I just don't care!

Why do you think Darth is still alive?

I'm worried about voting people that far astray because we might not ever see their corpse and find their allegiance.

Well... that might explain why I thought DV was still alive.

It also looks like Narc and ntn are both listed as human, which I'm assuming is good? That wasn't there last time I looked I don't think.

I didn't realize Crimson had stopped updating the listing in the thread.

Yeah I hadn't bothered going back and looking earlier, but I just did now and noticed the human listing.

Now we need some theories about why and how NTN fled the room.

And it seems the description we saw about him was not meant to display his evilness. I originally thought it was just CF being silly, and maybe it just happened to sound too similar to the Deadites? Or maybe they're just going to look human.

I haven't watched these movies - are there other sorts of creatures we should expect to see? Maybe there are human bad guys, but also other types of bad guys?

To answer what someone said last page, yes I've always been intent on heading towards the cabin. I definitely want to keep us all near each other but my main motivation for heading onwards was just to keep with the fun spirit of the game, and that's really it. That's what I've said the whole time.

Well if memory serves me the people turned into Deadites due to the book of the dead being read aloud. I even seem to remember Ash(the main character) turning into a Deadite at one point, but that didn't last very long at all.

The movies were all over the place, but I don't seem to remember there being human bad guys, just humans who turned into Deadites, although turning into a Deadite in the movie didn't mean you wouldn't turn back in a human. The movie wasn't clear on how they turned back, they just did.

For werewolf purposes I can't imagine someone turning into a Deadite and then turning back into a human. That just sounds crazy.

I've never seen the movies, so I hope there are no crazy mechanics like that.

Somehow I thought spells were in play. That's my guess for you moving mid-day as well. Unless it is a power of Evil...

It couldn't have been a spell, I don't think, since it was Day One and nobody should have had an item yet.

I think he must have had a special ability. Or I guess one of the bad guys could have used a power on him. But why? Or maybe someone had some sort of duke ability?

Wait, now I forget. Did Danny get moved randomly Day One too?

I certainly understand your point there Autumn. And it sucks voting for players I haven't even bumped into yet. So which direction do we vote then?

I have no idea who to vote. Frankly, nobody's struck a wolf chord to me yet. Of the guys I've seen most of - Jackal, Bug and Dubb, none of them have struck me as wolfish. If I had to pick one fo the three I'd pick Jackal, just because he's playing kind of the friendly middleman, I could see that as being a wolf thing.

But I'm not going to vote one of them. I'd like to vote someone in the room though, both so we see their corpse and so they can defend themselves.

Out of those, I'm not sure what I've heard, if anything, from Dzilla, so I'm throwing him out there just for that reason. I hope to be back before deadline, and I'll see what he says, and look back to see what he's said.

VOTE DZILLA

No. We all decided to Investigate the Study and stayed in the room. As part of the lynch result, Danny disappeared (and showed up in Main cabin).

Oh that's what I mean. So he also got moved here because of the lynch. So it seems liek the same thing happened to him as happened to NTN, part of the tie, I guess.

So the only weird thing is the description of NTN. Was there any sort of description of Danny in the writeup? Maybe CF was just being funny and is now shaking his head at us.

Okay, I checked, nothing from Dzilla since Saturday I think. I'd prefer a better reason to vote someone, but I've got to go put hte kids to bed.

I'm here, just been a busy day today (and there wasn't much posted Sunday that warranted a response).

Vote Mckerney

Since DV is likely dead, I'm going to go with the other guy that had me a bit suspicious that I mentioned earlier.

For the record, because they were made on Saturday, Chief has two votes and Autumn has one.

It seems like there is a move to investigate the study. While I'd prefer to keep the group together, if we are not going to do that I might as well see another location and another thread.

Investigate Study

Since the majority want to move to the Study, I'm inclined to join. I'd rather not stay in the Main Room by myself or with just one other. I've said it before, and I will repeat it. I think we are safer in numbers. My only reluctance is that I expect those in the Cellar to return to the Main Cabin tomorrow. With most of us moving into the Study, we won't be able to get their Intel until the following day.

INVESTIGATE STUDY

I think only 3 out of 7 people were heading for the study, Tyke, so you would be just as safe staying here.

I don't think it makes sense to have everybody move there, when this location is much more central. So I guess I'll wait here anyway and see who moves this way.

Vote right now is

mckerney 1
dzilla 1
chief 2
autumn 1

Hard to say who people in other threads are going to be voting for.

My count shows 4 (Jackal, J23, dubb, dzilla) going to Study.

You're staying here.

I don't think Commo posted an investigation.

If Commo stays in Main Room, then I'll stay as well. But if not, then I'll stay with crowd and head to Study.

CF: Jackal switched from Cabin to Study. dzilla also asked to investigate the study.

As far as my vote - I think most people here have been helpful. I have a couple minor suspicions, but no glaring wolf signs. Truth is, I know so little from the other areas that it does make a vote more difficult.

But to Autumn's point, if we pick somebody out in the Trail/Woods, it could be a couple more days before we got confirmation, right?

So... I'm gonna vote with one of my original suspicions:

VOTE CHIEF RUM

I wish Commo would confirm staying in Study...

Striiike Two!

Jackal is only in the Study, as well as dzilla.

Commo has not committed yet

It's a crazy split vote, and I'm not sure I want to switch to Chief, which might be our only shot at getting a lynch, when I don't think I've ever even been in the same thread as him. I'd rather at least get his side of things. Then again a no lynch isn't much use. Then again a lynch isn't much use if we can't see all the vote histories. Grr, why won't you guys all get in one room!

You're kidding, right?

Almost puppetmaster... Put Jackal with Study investigators leaving Autumn alone in Cabin (with undecided Commo).

It would be crazy to lynch Chief and send no one to the cellar.

*sigh*

Well, wouldn't those still in the Cellar see the crime before they reappear in the Main Room (if they are headed back this way...)?

Hopefully this gets us a lynch and I can go and find out what the result was, and what they were up to down there.

VOTES:
Chief Rum - Commo_Soldier (254), dzilla77 (258), tyketime (385)
Autumn - dubb (269)
dzilla77 - Autumn (369)
mckerney - J23 (374)

INVESTIGATES:
study - tyketime, J23, dzilla77, dubb, Jackal
cabin - Autumn

oh now i get it.

Autumn - you're setting yourself up for being alone... not always a good sign!