Indeed. He is, to me, an example of a very big name that was still left on the board. I don't agree with the person(s) who said we don't have any big names left right now. I still can think of some others. Even Polo is a big name, and certainly an intriguing and well thought choice for Diplomat.

As was Marco Polo. One of the few I hadn't even thought of, honestly.

Thanks.

Yeah there are tons of American Air people that I would look at, but Glenn is near the top. Only other person that I was highly considering from the U.S. would have been Chuck Yeager (people know his test pilot feats, but not as many know about his military career or involvement in the cold war).

I'll leave my comments there, as I don't want to comment about non-americans that can still be chosen

Hmm. Yeager didn't even cross my radar. Good thought Alan.

Ok, I need to get my next pick ready

I was going to take yeager in the 3rd, but Glenn is a really, really good choice too.

I love the Polo pick.. who here doesn't honestly know the name Marco Polo from childhood games? Wow.. great pick.


Napolean is solid too, very solid.

I think there are still a lot of great choices out there. It will be interesting to see the people that veer away from American-centric names.

I would of picked Gil Thorpe myself.

Apathetic Lurker picks:


2.12 Josef Stalin, Leader/Ruler, Russia, 20th
3.1 Sir Arthur Harris, Air Chief, Great Britain, 20th

Crap. I had Machiavelli as my next pick.

Nope, I took Marco Polo as Italy Chief Diplomat, Machiavelli may not be taken there.

3.2 Dalai Lama, Religious Leader, China, Post-20th
(big hitter, the Lama)

oops, I'll fix that

I'm going to hold up and not pick until larry rewinds the picks. Machiavelli cannot be taken for Italy and Chief Diplomat

can we petition Tibet to be the country of the Dalai Lama?

I already had my pick up when I saw it.

I looked it up to be sure.
It is officially part of China now.

I am ok with it either way, I will change it if everyone thinks I should.

Yup, Tibet is not a recognized country by the UN.

Fixed. It didn't conflict with surtt's pick.

I am aware of all that, hence my use of the word petition.

Man I can't believe I didn't think of the Dali Lama. Buddha, however, was certainly a great pick.

have we discussed yet (seriously) how we assign countries to people? is it where the person was born? the citizenship they held? what's the determinant?

We've generally taken a fairly lassiz-faire approach to that sort of thing.

gotcha

idk that it applies to what i'm thinking, was just curious

Someone (larry?) correct me if I'm mistaken.

You can pick birth, or if someone spent most of their life in a country, and is known for that country, then you can use that also. As long as there is some connection to that country, so someone doesn't pick FDR for Bangladesh, then I'll leave it up to the voters.

lol ok

Sorry. Forgot Abe was right before on this way in the Sepentine. Pick will be coming soon.

Yeah, I was wondering that too?

???

Strike that. Somehow missed him in the third pick.

Couldn't believe my good luck there for a very good reason :).

BK - he was picked way long ago. like...top 5

lol

You can't have my picks BK.

Now he has to settle for John the Above Average instead!

Added my answer to the birth question in the first post so everyone can see it.

Wasn't originally planning on pick this category, but after I thought Alexander was free, this name popped into mind and it seems like a better pick here than any of the people who had been on my board:

Ghengis Khan - Millitary Leader Mongolia (Pre-20th)
Just as Alexander stretched the boundries of the West, Khan stretched the boundries of the east.

Or Ed the Slightly Better then Normal?

Oh so you suck. He was next for me.

ass - he was on my list to try to pick up later as i figured he'd drop

oh - well i guess i wouldn't have gotten him then - LOL

Obviously his being Mongolian doesn't really block anyone in the category, but I'm just fine with that.

BTW, the Stalin pick hasn't gotten much discussion. I'm going to be interested to see how voters react to someone like Stalin. Clearly he was a fantastic ruler/leader, of a certain style. But he's also one of history's villains, and since this is a Building Country Draft, will that matter? Or will his ruthless effectiveness matter more?

Untrue

Oh my.

From his list, Noop picks:

3.5 Imhotep, Scientist, Egypt, Pre-20th

Wow. I did not see that pick coming now.

Makes two of us.

Izulde sent in a list, but his picks are gone.

I'll PM him.

Ok first pick I had to look up to see who this was. I guess I am not up on my ancient egyptians I fear :)

Off to lunch. PM'd larry a bunch of picks.

And with the pick they select the punter from Mississippi Valley State A&M:) ....

I'm sure they'll all get taken by the time you're up. ;)

Over/under on % of people in this draft being the same as historical person draft last year? I'm going with 80% ( i know this is snarky, but Imhotep was by far the best late round surprise pick last time and i fear little surprise here)

Interesting on religious picks. So far they have all been the charismatic originator, not the brilliant second generation administrator/writer/leader

He was going to be my last pick but I though Larry would wait a little so I can make the choice myself. However I feel like I have a solid plan in place to at least not finish last.

Sorry about that, Noop.

From now on, if anyone sends me a list, please let me know if you want me to wait on using it. I can wait up to an hour before picking from it.

I've updated the first post with all of the picks.

I also added a timeline count so you can keep track of your pre-20th/20th picks.

Remember, they have to even out at 7-7.

Noop with two good picks after a questionable first one. BK stole my 3rd rounder, so great pick there.

I think Imhotep was an early rounder in that draft too. And yes, I am sure many picks will be the same, still because of the country limitation and different categories, there will still be different ones. I know for me, some categories I have a little different outlook on then the other draft.

hmm, we seem to have stalled.

Larry, I should be around to make my picks

so how soon until we use the Vikings rule?

lol

Gah! Sorry! Just woke up

it's cool izulde - apparently you sent in a list but all your picks on it were already taken says larry

Edit: Ineligible pick

Heh. This pick is invalid because of Marco Polo. What's funny is someone else already tried to pick him.

Italy already taken in that category.

Ah right, I keep forgetting Marco Polo's Italian. And I literally woke up 5 minutes ago.

Okay, let me try again.

No problem. I was a bit of an idiot myself with one of my picks so I can hardly fault a sleep person for making a mistake.

3.6 Otto von Bismarck - Chief Diplomat - Pre-20th Century

Largely responsible for the unification of Germany, his diplomacy and statecraft was magnificent, both in terms of bringing the independent German states together in one nation and empire and in dealing with international powers. His Iron and Blood speech is still quite famous and he greatly illustrated the practical application of Machiavelli's realist political philosophy or, as it's called in German, realpolitik.

Great pick with Shakespeare.

No list from DT.

of course not. making up a list so far ahead of time greatly limits one's ability to respond, or think creatively. i hate doing it, and thus will only do it if absolutely necessary

Me too

Otto was a solid choice for either Diplomat OR Ruler/Leader.

Thanks. I agree he's multi-category, but I feel like Ruler/Leader is much deeper than Diplomat.

I'd agree that Bismark is a better choice in Diplomat given the strengths. A very solid pick, no doubt.

No problem. I didn't mean it in a bad way. Just wanted to let everyone know that I wouldn't be picking.

We've got a really good pace going, so no worries.

Oh yeah, I agree. I don;t think many know just how much diplomacy was involved in the Unification.

An obvious and solid choice.

Nice. I was thinking about a Supreme Court Justice myself, but couldn't decide on what one.

was wondering when he would go.

good pick

ntndeacon and Danny are here. We could knock out two more boom and boom

I'll be around for the most part as well

i was just praying after my last pick that nobody would go justice + USA and block me.

there are maybe a couple others that i could have picked from around the world, but marshall was an institution in and of himself on the early court and his rulings helped to shape the nation. i really can't ask for much more.

it was between picking marshall now, or going with a different category this round, and frankly i didn't think the justice+usa combo would slide till 4.5

CRAP!! I was gonna go US justice this round! This may take a bit.

awesome...phew :D

who were you going to pick NTN?

was looking at Oliver Wendall Holmes. I needed a 20th century man.

Galaril, ntn, Lathum and Danny are all here. You coud bang out ;like 5 thousand picks in ten minutes or so.