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Danny 06-24-2008 10:54 AM

I don't quite understand the 24 hour clock. In the games I have followed before there was a day phase and a night phase.

oliegirl 06-24-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1759269)
Always jumps to you? Come on. I can't even remember the last time I voted for you!

And if you've only been a wolf in one game, that proves my point. You've played a lot, and only been a wolf once. I don't know what game that was, but if I were hoops, I'd be curious to see how you play as one.


You don't always vote for me, but you always throw my name out there as a wolf, and I'm never a wolf. It's like me going to Lathum every game...damn, now I know how Lathum feels! :(

Barkeep49 06-24-2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1759275)
My guess is that they'll have to have the cunning wolf attack tonight, and then be able to have their other wolves attack people based on who voted for whom and when. They could try to risk it and hope their target doesnt move their vote last second though... but my guess is they pick their cunning wolf to target the player that they want to go after tonight (in attempts to get the seer)

I predict they'll have the cunning wolf attack every night until we catch the SOB.

Barkeep49 06-24-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 1759279)
I don't quite understand the 24 hour clock. In the games I have followed before there was a day phase and a night phase.

Basically the players all submit their actions at the same deadline as the vote.

mccollins 06-24-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 1759279)
I don't quite understand the 24 hour clock. In the games I have followed before there was a day phase and a night phase.

I think as soon as Cronin has all of the night actions he posts the results?

Passacaglia 06-24-2008 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1759275)
My guess is that they'll have to have the cunning wolf attack tonight, and then be able to have their other wolves attack people based on who voted for whom and when. They could try to risk it and hope their target doesnt move their vote last second though... but my guess is they pick their cunning wolf to target the player that they want to go after tonight (in attempts to get the seer)


I'm thinking about when the cunning wolf dies. Another wolf needs to make the attack, and they'd have to attack someone who voted for them that day. That will be hard to do if people change their votes at deadline.

Barkeep49 06-24-2008 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1759289)
I'm thinking about when the cunning wolf dies. Another wolf needs to make the attack, and they'd have to attack someone who voted for them that day. That will be hard to do if people change their votes at deadline.

I'd hope that cronin accepts conditional orders as a late vote change can just as easily screw over the BG or seer.

st.cronin 06-24-2008 11:05 AM

The 24 hour clock in my games works like this: At the deadline, the vote gets processed, and somebody gets lynched. Immediately after, I process all night actions, and begin a new day.

The big difference is, players with night actions have to send their orders in before the lynch, which perhaps puts them at a slight disadvantage.

Alan T 06-24-2008 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 1759279)
I don't quite understand the 24 hour clock. In the games I have followed before there was a day phase and a night phase.


The 24 hour clock means there is no night phase and day phase, just one phase for the entire day.

So all players with night actions (wolves, bodyguard, seer, etc) have to have their night orders in by the same time the lynch is due which adds more strategy to their choices obviously.

st.cronin 06-24-2008 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1759292)
I'd hope that cronin accepts conditional orders as a late vote change can just as easily screw over the BG or seer.


Yes, I encourage everybody with night actions to send conditional orders.

SnDvls 06-24-2008 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1759131)
I also lumped these two together and I believe SnDvls and hoops have been wolves together and, having also been a wolf with SnDvls, I think it's likely hoops would have gone in that direction. Hence my vote.


If hoops would have picked me, which he didn't, he would have made a huge mistake. You know what is happening in my real life right now (twins 2 weeks old and all), hence my request for a vanilla villager role as my activity isn't up to being a "roled" person villager or wolf. Poli (AE) actually did the right thing and followed my request.

But if it helps the village I have no problem with it.

KWhit 06-24-2008 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1759261)
I am not sure if the jumping on the Lathum bandwagon is justified. Would AE/Poli be smart enough to do that? The draft went pretty quick from our understanding. Did he really have that much time to ponder the situation? The draft information is beneficial, but I don't think we can assume that it was done under optimal strategic conditions.


It only took me about 30 minutes to come up with it.

I would certainly hope that strategy was used and not just "Oh I'll pick so-and-so because I once had a friend who had a cat with that name."

Lathum 06-24-2008 11:14 AM

well like I said, I made my argument and god forbid I "badger" anyone with my defence.

st.cronin 06-24-2008 11:15 AM

Go Badgers.

PackerFanatic 06-24-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1759304)
Go Badgers.


*fistpump*

oliegirl 06-24-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759303)
well like I said, I made my argument and god forbid I "badger" anyone with my defence.


Lathum, please note that I have not suspected your or voted for you yet :)

Lathum 06-24-2008 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl (Post 1759308)
Lathum, please note that I have not suspected your or voted for you yet :)


thanks for that :)

you wanna vote me because you think I am a wolf thats fine, but voting me because you don't want to listen to me defend myself for "4 days" thats bush league.

If it seems like I argue more then anyone else it is because I am forced to defend myself more then anyone else, and it isn't even close.

Passacaglia 06-24-2008 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759196)
dola- you are also hinting you are the seer, maybe setting up for a fake reveal?


Hey Lathum, I think I missed where DT did this. Can you point me to it?

Lathum 06-24-2008 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1759317)
Hey Lathum, I think I missed where DT did this. Can you point me to it?


I don't think I should, I have apparently been harsh enough already

mccollins 06-24-2008 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1759317)
Hey Lathum, I think I missed where DT did this. Can you point me to it?


I didn't get that either - I thought Lathum was stating it as a slight possibility for Alan to be setting up something with his reveal. But I probably need to re-read that :confused:

PackerFanatic 06-24-2008 11:38 AM

Come on now, Lathum - no need to get huffy.

Alan T 06-24-2008 11:41 AM

It seemed pretty clear to me at the time that Lathum was saying that DT was setting up for a fake seer reveal considering he was speaking to DT in the previous post and then continued with a dola post with that information in it.

I believe in my earlier reading that I figured out why Lathum was saying that based on what DT said, but I read DT's comments a bit differently so I'll let Lathum explain if he wants why he felt DT was setting it up for such... but either way seemed clear to me Lathum was talking to DT the entire time there and not me.

mccollins 06-24-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1759339)
and not me.

My bad then

Lathum 06-24-2008 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759188)
Alan - you can jump off the DT bandwagon - hoops didn't pick me. whether that's b/c poli picked me first or what i dunno, but i'm squarely on the village side.

as for your reveal - well you can't be the seer/fake seer i don't think -- you can't be a mason (penalty of death), could you be bodyguard maybe. could you be hunter...strong possibility

the whole fake-seer thing always bugs me, so i'm wondering if there's not more of a way to...control that and mitigate that


this is the post I was referencing, seems he is setting up subtle hints.

GoldenEagle 06-24-2008 11:48 AM

Is it possible that hoops decided to get cute and picked all females as the wolves? That would be amusing. Do we even have enough females to fill all the wolf roles?

Alan T 06-24-2008 11:50 AM

Looking through the list of players, I think there are alot of excellent players that Hoops may have selected that aren't even being mentioned. It definitely is not limited to 5 or 6 players that I think Hoops may have chosen.

I can see some merit in a few different directions of voting today, one of which would be Kwhit's suggestion of why Lathum would be the perfect choice.. I also could see Kwhit as a crafty wolf being able to toss out such a suggestion to throw some villager under the table as well though. I think I'll go a different direction with my vote right now though.. someone who hasn't been mentioned yet but when he played regularly I felt was as good of a wolf as anyone in the game. Hoops also realizes this and I feel would be a perfect player for Hoops to pick.. an excellent player that not everyone really knows but has great veteran leadership as well.

Vote Saldana

Danny 06-24-2008 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1759351)
Is it possible that hoops decided to get cute and picked all females as the wolves? That would be amusing. Do we even have enough females to fill all the wolf roles?


Hmm, Oliegirl, Lonestargirl, Mrs. Schmidty, Saldana, is that enough to cover it?

Lathum 06-24-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 1759354)
Hmm, Oliegirl, Lonestargirl, Mrs. Schmidty, Saldana, is that enough to cover it?


LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

hoopsguy 06-24-2008 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1759304)
Go Badgers.


I simply can not support this post. Or leave it unchallenged.

Go Illini.

mccollins 06-24-2008 11:56 AM

:D I don't know if it would be funnier if Danny really thinks Saldana is a female or if he was knowingly making a joke. Either way - heh heh

Lathum 06-24-2008 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 1759354)
Hmm, Oliegirl, Lonestargirl, Mrs. Schmidty, Saldana, is that enough to cover it?


this is honestly one of the funniest things I have ever read in WW

hoopsguy 06-24-2008 11:58 AM

Or that he missed legitimate females and then included Saldana.

Priceless.

KWhit 06-24-2008 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1759353)
Looking through the list of players, I think there are alot of excellent players that Hoops may have selected that aren't even being mentioned. It definitely is not limited to 5 or 6 players that I think Hoops may have chosen.

I can see some merit in a few different directions of voting today, one of which would be Kwhit's suggestion of why Lathum would be the perfect choice.. I also could see Kwhit as a crafty wolf being able to toss out such a suggestion to throw some villager under the table as well though.


Come on. If I were a wolf, do you really think I would make a play like this day 1 just to get Lathum lynched as a villager? Especially since I posted my thoughts before anyone got any significant votes - so it's not like I'm throwing something out to try to save a wolf or something.

claphamsa 06-24-2008 12:04 PM

who else is fmale? telle and any others?

PackerFanatic 06-24-2008 12:05 PM

Haha - hence why I would never try to guess male v. female

saldana 06-24-2008 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1759266)
Make it 4 votes, I can see you badgering people already and I'd rather eliminate that before it degenerates into constant bickering for days on end.

Oh and you're a damn good wolf and I love the "force poli to take someone obvious" idea.


VOTE LATHUM


:devil:


as opposed to what you do, ranting, raving and insulting people as soon as you get a vote on you?

Alan T 06-24-2008 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1759364)
Come on. If I were a wolf, do you really think I would make a play like this day 1 just to get Lathum lynched as a villager? Especially since I posted my thoughts before anyone got any significant votes - so it's not like I'm throwing something out to try to save a wolf or something.



Anything is possible in WW I've found.. What is the downside for you making a play like that if you were the wolf? It isnt like you are pushing it super hard, you just tossed out a piece of strategy on day 1 when no one has any information anyways. The chances of people turning around and coming for your blood after a scenerio where Lathum was lynched and ended up being good doesn't seem too high to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that I think you are a wolf here, I'm just saying that if you were, this would be a low risk high reward play on your part in my opinion. I actually personally think I want to stay away from the you vs Lathum thing today anyways. We already have a good bit of movement on Lathum, and I find a day1 vote without a serious second contender ends up being a wash without any information gained.

That is why I wanted to throw out my suggestion for another candidate, but also would like to hear other people's suggestions as well. A run away vote on Lathum doesn't really help us at all. If you all want to lynch Lathum then fine, but I'd at least like some kind of meaningful vote so we have an idea of who might have tried to save him (if he is a wolf) or not.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:10 PM

we've had an all-female WW team before. in the fairytale game I made all the women WW's and then when i died they were an all-woman team for at least a day there.

but that would be awesome. and kudos to danny for the joke.

Lathum 06-24-2008 12:11 PM

VOTE DADDYTORGO

he jumped on me super quick and like I mentioned earlier I think his play is suspect.

saldana 06-24-2008 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1759353)
Looking through the list of players, I think there are alot of excellent players that Hoops may have selected that aren't even being mentioned. It definitely is not limited to 5 or 6 players that I think Hoops may have chosen.

I can see some merit in a few different directions of voting today, one of which would be Kwhit's suggestion of why Lathum would be the perfect choice.. I also could see Kwhit as a crafty wolf being able to toss out such a suggestion to throw some villager under the table as well though. I think I'll go a different direction with my vote right now though.. someone who hasn't been mentioned yet but when he played regularly I felt was as good of a wolf as anyone in the game. Hoops also realizes this and I feel would be a perfect player for Hoops to pick.. an excellent player that not everyone really knows but has great veteran leadership as well.

Vote Saldana


you never fail to disappoint me Alan, i have been waiting for this for the last page and a half:lol:

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1759373)
Anything is possible in WW I've found.. What is the downside for you making a play like that if you were the wolf? It isnt like you are pushing it super hard, you just tossed out a piece of strategy on day 1 when no one has any information anyways. The chances of people turning around and coming for your blood after a scenerio where Lathum was lynched and ended up being good doesn't seem too high to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that I think you are a wolf here, I'm just saying that if you were, this would be a low risk high reward play on your part in my opinion. I actually personally think I want to stay away from the you vs Lathum thing today anyways. We already have a good bit of movement on Lathum, and I find a day1 vote without a serious second contender ends up being a wash without any information gained.

That is why I wanted to throw out my suggestion for another candidate, but also would like to hear other people's suggestions as well. A run away vote on Lathum doesn't really help us at all. If you all want to lynch Lathum then fine, but I'd at least like some kind of meaningful vote so we have an idea of who might have tried to save him (if he is a wolf) or not.


a second candidate - saldana fits...GE fits as a nasty-wolf who hasn't been around a lot lately...

saldana 06-24-2008 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 1759354)
Hmm, Oliegirl, Lonestargirl, Mrs. Schmidty, Saldana, is that enough to cover it?


who are you? seriously?

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1759385)
who are you? seriously?


:lol:

:popcorn:

oh cmon, that joke never gets old

saldana 06-24-2008 12:16 PM

checking in btw.

KWhit 06-24-2008 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1759373)
Anything is possible in WW I've found.. What is the downside for you making a play like that if you were the wolf? It isnt like you are pushing it super hard, you just tossed out a piece of strategy on day 1 when no one has any information anyways. The chances of people turning around and coming for your blood after a scenerio where Lathum was lynched and ended up being good doesn't seem too high to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that I think you are a wolf here, I'm just saying that if you were, this would be a low risk high reward play on your part in my opinion. I actually personally think I want to stay away from the you vs Lathum thing today anyways. We already have a good bit of movement on Lathum, and I find a day1 vote without a serious second contender ends up being a wash without any information gained.

That is why I wanted to throw out my suggestion for another candidate, but also would like to hear other people's suggestions as well. A run away vote on Lathum doesn't really help us at all. If you all want to lynch Lathum then fine, but I'd at least like some kind of meaningful vote so we have an idea of who might have tried to save him (if he is a wolf) or not.


My point was that I don't see this as a potential high-reward play for a wolf on day one. I see it as pretty much low-risk, very-low reward and therefore not a good play for a wolf to make.

Lathum 06-24-2008 12:18 PM

OK, so if you think I am a wolf there is no way Saldana is one and vice versa. No way Hoops puts us on the same team.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759398)
OK, so if you think I am a wolf there is no way Saldana is one and vice versa. No way Hoops puts us on the same team.


why not? :confused:

Danny 06-24-2008 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1759385)
who are you? seriously?


I've never posted much at any one time, but I have browsed on a regular basis since I registered. I also worked at Grey Dog Software for a couple years and still work for Gary and Wolverine on the side although I usually don't have enough time to devote there between fiancee, school and my regular job.

saldana 06-24-2008 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759389)
:lol:

:popcorn:

oh cmon, that joke never gets old


i think its hilarious...i just wanted to know if Danny is someone that changed their name and is actually in on the joke, or if he is somone that i have never played with and actually thinks i am a chick

Danny 06-24-2008 12:23 PM

At one time I was EagleEye, then I changed it when I started working for Greydog. And yes, I know you are not a chick :)

saldana 06-24-2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759400)
why not? :confused:


would you pick the two people that are more closely linked IRL than anyone in WW history save Blade and Bek to be on the same team...either of the GMs know that Lathum and I dont normally go after each other unless there is alot of evidence against one of us....if lathum were picked wolf, and I defended him, as I ususally do when he is accused early, this would tie us togther...if i didnt defend him, which some people would easily notice, this would tie us together.

either way, we are joined, and both dead.

saldana 06-24-2008 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 1759406)
At one time I was EagleEye, then I changed it when I started working for Greydog. And yes, I know you are not a chick :)


in that case, well played. [/claps for joke]

Lathum 06-24-2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759400)
why not? :confused:


I think it is common knowledge we are BFF's. Knowing Hoops' personality I can't see him drafting both of us.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1759404)
i think its hilarious...i just wanted to know if Danny is someone that changed their name and is actually in on the joke, or if he is somone that i have never played with and actually thinks i am a chick


dude looks like a lady...

KWhit 06-24-2008 12:29 PM

Another reason to vote for Lathum:

If he is a wolf, there's a decent chance that Hoops would make him the cunning wolf. The cunning wolf is BY FAR our biggest obstacle to winning the game. If we take out the cunning wolf early in the game, we will almost assuredly win the game.

Why would Hoops make Lathum the cunning wolf? Well, I'ev said the reason before, but I'll restate.

1) It's possible that Hoops decided to draft Lathum with the express purpose of making him the cunning. He knows that Lathum will be scanned early, and could be in a CoT.

2) If Hoops decided not to draft him, then I think Poli would make Hoops take him for the reasons I've outlined. If Hoops ended up with him in this manner, I think he still considers making him the cunning wolf in order to beat an inevitable early seer scan.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1759410)
would you pick the two people that are more closely linked IRL than anyone in WW history save Blade and Bek to be on the same team...either of the GMs know that Lathum and I dont normally go after each other unless there is alot of evidence against one of us....if lathum were picked wolf, and I defended him, as I ususally do when he is accused early, this would tie us togther...if i didnt defend him, which some people would easily notice, this would tie us together.

either way, we are joined, and both dead.



:bowdown:

well played sir...well played

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:30 PM

conversely KWhit, Hoops would figure we'd target lathum early and would make him the brutal wolf (there is one of those right?) or just a regular wolf, and make the cunning wolf the most-UTR person he picked in order to hide them even better

Passacaglia 06-24-2008 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759350)
this is the post I was referencing, seems he is setting up subtle hints.


I think that's pretty weak. Just saying seer a few times means he's hinting at a reveal now? Why don't you think he's hinting at any of the other roles he mentioned?

Passacaglia 06-24-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1759410)
would you pick the two people that are more closely linked IRL than anyone in WW history save Blade and Bek to be on the same team...either of the GMs know that Lathum and I dont normally go after each other unless there is alot of evidence against one of us....if lathum were picked wolf, and I defended him, as I ususally do when he is accused early, this would tie us togther...if i didnt defend him, which some people would easily notice, this would tie us together.

either way, we are joined, and both dead.


I think the counter to this is that Lathum might have been picked last. That holds even more if you are a wolf, saldana. If hoops picked you early, he would avoid picking Lathum. And I could totally see Poli not wanting to pick Lathum at all, based on past history (not to get too into WW drama, but the thought occured to me).

KWhit 06-24-2008 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759422)
conversely KWhit, Hoops would figure we'd target lathum early and would make him the brutal wolf (there is one of those right?) or just a regular wolf, and make the cunning wolf the most-UTR person he picked in order to hide them even better


Very possible. But my point still stands, I think.

I think there is a chance that Hoops drafted Lathum as the cunning wolf. It's not what I would do, but there's a chance. I think it's more likely that Hoops stayed away from Lathum and Poli left him for last pick. At that point, I think Hoops would consider trying to use that to his advantage and might make Lathum the cunning.

Basically, what I'm saying is that because of the draft mechanic, any one of these scenarios could have taken place. Add them all up, and you get a strong likelyhood that Lathum is a wolf, and if so, could very well be the cunning.

Alan T 06-24-2008 12:43 PM

I'm not sure that I buy that as the most logical progression if Lathum was indeed forced into Hoops's hands..

I have to assume that Hoops had it all planned out with a list of whom he felt charted well to which positions along with a few alternates for each in case he got beat to the pick. He goes into enough detail with WW play that he would do so here.

I think because of that he would have picked a player that he wanted to be the cunning wolf. The Cunning wolf in this game because of the rules the wolves are forced to is the most important role for his team. If he was forced to take Lathum as Kwhit suggests possible, I still am not sure that he would have slotted Lathum down in that role.

If I had to guess Hoops, he would have gone a different direction in that scenerio. First, it is an assumption that Poli even did this with his draft strategy to force an excellent player like Lathum onto Hoops in the first place.. Lets run with that assumption then and say ok, lets assume Hoops was forced to take Lathum at the end... if I was Hoops, I would have put Lathum in as the Cultist in that case.

I think it is actually a pretty intersting arguement and a piece of strategy that is fun to talk about in this game, I just don't think it is quite as given as several of you do that this is the exact path that would have transgressed.

EagleFan 06-24-2008 12:45 PM

When is the deadline? Just got on and only a couple minutes before a meeting. Going to throw a vote out there but I have no idea what the count is so this will probably change (but it will feel good to say this after last game).

vote Mrs Schmidty

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:47 PM

i think you may be right alan...that would be his best bet as far as trying to even that out...

so then maybe do we assume that and stay away from lathum?

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:47 PM

Eagle - deadline is tomorrow afternoon

mccollins 06-24-2008 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 1759444)
When is the deadline?


3pm Eastern on Wednesday

KWhit 06-24-2008 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1759443)
I'm not sure that I buy that as the most logical progression if Lathum was indeed forced into Hoops's hands..

I have to assume that Hoops had it all planned out with a list of whom he felt charted well to which positions along with a few alternates for each in case he got beat to the pick. He goes into enough detail with WW play that he would do so here.

I think because of that he would have picked a player that he wanted to be the cunning wolf. The Cunning wolf in this game because of the rules the wolves are forced to is the most important role for his team. If he was forced to take Lathum as Kwhit suggests possible, I still am not sure that he would have slotted Lathum down in that role.

If I had to guess Hoops, he would have gone a different direction in that scenerio. First, it is an assumption that Poli even did this with his draft strategy to force an excellent player like Lathum onto Hoops in the first place.. Lets run with that assumption then and say ok, lets assume Hoops was forced to take Lathum at the end... if I was Hoops, I would have put Lathum in as the Cultist in that case.

I think it is actually a pretty intersting arguement and a piece of strategy that is fun to talk about in this game, I just don't think it is quite as given as several of you do that this is the exact path that would have transgressed.


I actually agree with all of that. My point about him being the cunning really was just to point out that there is a chance that because of who he is, there is a stronger chance of Lathum being a wolf than any one of the other random players in the game. And if he is, there is a better than average chance of him being the cunning.

I personally would not have drafted Lathum if I were Hoops, but once he got onto my team, I'd be tempted to make him the cunning wolf. I don't think I would, but it would depend on who else was on my team.

EagleFan 06-24-2008 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccollins (Post 1759450)
3pm Eastern on Wednesday


Excellent, thanks.

I may be working over night tonight which means I'll have time tomorrow afternoon for the deadline (if I can figure out when to fit sleep in).

mccollins 06-24-2008 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759445)
i think you may be right alan...that would be his best bet as far as trying to even that out...

so then maybe do we assume that and stay away from lathum?


How can we assume something like that this early in the game?

KWhit 06-24-2008 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759445)
i think you may be right alan...that would be his best bet as far as trying to even that out...

so then maybe do we assume that and stay away from lathum?


No, we don't stay away from Lathum. The strategy we were talking about is if Hoops would make him a cunning if he were forced into his hands. Even if he wouldn't (as Alan was saying) he'd still be a wolf under the scenario I laid out - which is pretty darn ironclad, IMO, if Poli thought of it.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1759454)
No, we don't stay away from Lathum. The strategy we were talking about is if Hoops would make him a cunning if he were forced into his hands. Even if he wouldn't (as Alan was saying) he'd still be a wolf under the scenario I laid out - which is pretty darn ironclad, IMO, if Poli thought of it.


unless he's the cultist and he counts as a villager

Lathum 06-24-2008 12:59 PM

There is no more history with Me and Poli/AE, we have chatted on AIM many times with no problems, I leave my WW drama in the thread.

If anyone thinks Hoops would make me the cunning wolf they are insane.

RendeR 06-24-2008 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1759304)
Go Badgers.


Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1759357)
I simply can not support this post. Or leave it unchallenged.

Go Illini.


The Ohio State University laughs to the northwesterly direction.

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1759369)
as opposed to what you do, ranting, raving and insulting people as soon as you get a vote on you?


Dude, that was SO 2007....

Good to know a reputation can't be changed with 6+ months of good behaviour. Welcome back Sal :welcome::wagfingers::deadhorse:

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 01:01 PM

to be fair, sal hasn't played in a while RendeR

Lathum 06-24-2008 01:07 PM

Sal was sticking up for his best friend whose charecture had just been attacked, I would do the same thing for him.

Render basicly said he is voting for me because he doesn't want to listen to me argue with people for the next 4 days.

What Render doesn't seem to have figured out is arguing is a big part of werewolf. Saldana was referencing the fact that when Render started playing he reguarally told people they were stupid, dropped the f bomb, etc... To my knowledge I have never attacked someone as a person in a werewolf argument.

Do I love to argue. Yes
Do I go after people. Yes.
Is that a part of the game. Yes.

Renders post really rubbed me the wrong way, it came off very much like "I don't want to deal with this guy's style so I am going to vote him off" and I actualy found it insulting to my character.

Lathum 06-24-2008 01:08 PM

dola- Except Blade, and he showed he deserved it

Barkeep49 06-24-2008 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759457)
If anyone thinks Hoops would make me the cunning wolf they are insane.


That's a tad strong isn't it? You admit that you frequently get scanned early, so why not make you the cunning wolf?

KWhit 06-24-2008 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759464)
dola- Except Blade, and he showed he deserved it


True dat.

claphamsa 06-24-2008 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759463)
Sal was sticking up for his best friend whose charecture had just been attacked, I would do the same thing for him.

Render basicly said he is voting for me because he doesn't want to listen to me argue with people for the next 4 days.

What Render doesn't seem to have figured out is arguing is a big part of werewolf. Saldana was referencing the fact that when Render started playing he reguarally told people they were stupid, dropped the f bomb, etc... To my knowledge I have never attacked someone as a person in a werewolf argument.

Do I love to argue. Yes
Do I go after people. Yes.
Is that a part of the game. Yes.

Renders post really rubbed me the wrong way, it came off very much like "I don't want to deal with this guy's style so I am going to vote him off" and I actualy found it insulting to my character.




:popcorn:

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 01:11 PM

maybe RendeR is a fellow wolf trying to hide his vote on Lathum...

just a thought to try to bring things back on track

Lathum 06-24-2008 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1759465)
That's a tad strong isn't it? You admit that you frequently get scanned early, so why not make you the cunning wolf?


because with almost no info to go by on day 1 I am a likely lynch candidate. I would pick the cunning wolf to be someone with pretty much no chance of being a day 1 lynch.

ChiefRum comes to mind immedeatly. ( if he is playing)

Barkeep49 06-24-2008 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759474)
because with almost no info to go by on day 1 I am a likely lynch candidate. I would pick the cunning wolf to be someone with pretty much no chance of being a day 1 lynch.

ChiefRum comes to mind immedeatly. ( if he is playing)

I don't really think of you as someone who gets lynched on D1. I know it happened recently but that seems like the exception.

Lathum 06-24-2008 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa (Post 1759467)
:popcorn:


no popcorn needed.

I like Cronin to much to shit on his game.

Render has has a bug up his ass about me since the day he started playing this game,, I mean jesus, I didn't even mention his name this game and he started giving me shit.

DT clearly had no problem with my arguments. I've never had problems with CR, Path, Alan, Hoops, BK, JEHeinze, Ollie or anyone elso as far as I know of that I have had many arguments with.

I'm not really concerned that my style of play is the problem, I guess Render is just to sensitive.

Lathum 06-24-2008 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1759477)
I don't really think of you as someone who gets lynched on D1. I know it happened recently but that seems like the exception.


maybe.

but your the person who people always say " I won't lynch BK day 1 because he is to valuable as a villager"

just saying.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 01:29 PM

nope - i gots no problem wit Lathum. Dude sat and drank beers wit me...we cool. Ditto the rest of the contingent I've met with and drank with in the past (cw,bk)

st.cronin 06-24-2008 01:34 PM

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Lathum 06-24-2008 01:36 PM

I ask you all would a wolf drink a huge Pina Coloda?

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 01:39 PM

pina coloda's are fuckin DELICIOUS!!!!

*drools* i want one nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

maybe after work when we go for drinks for this girl's birthday...hmm

Lathum 06-24-2008 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759507)

maybe after work when we go for drinks for this girl's birthday...hmm


then fuck the birthday girl.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759511)
then fuck the birthday girl.


she's my only coworker, and she has a bf, and he'll be there

:lol:

mccollins 06-24-2008 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759482)
DT clearly had no problem with my arguments. I've never had problems with CR, Path, Alan, Hoops, BK, JEHeinze, Ollie or anyone elso as far as I know of that I have had many arguments with.

My first couple of games were rough, but I get Lathum now haha

Schmidty 06-24-2008 02:03 PM

I wake up from my 4 hour sleep block, and there's already 8 pages....on day 1?

I think I'm screwed.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 02:16 PM

WTF...where's nicholasville, KY?

Passacaglia 06-24-2008 02:16 PM

3 or 4 pages were before the game started. You'll be fine.

Schmidty 06-24-2008 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 1759444)
When is the deadline? Just got on and only a couple minutes before a meeting. Going to throw a vote out there but I have no idea what the count is so this will probably change (but it will feel good to say this after last game).

vote Mrs Schmidty


I gots to defend the queen of my shack!!! No man or hobo shall besmirch my kin!!!

I propose a duel!!!

Your choice - whitlin' knife, bowling pin, bungee cord, or rusty rebar!!!

Consider this yer challenge:

Vote Eaglefan

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 02:17 PM

nevermind - i see it's a suburb of lexington ky

mccollins 06-24-2008 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759543)
WTF...where's nicholasville, KY?


hahah - read it as Lexington, KY. I found this place via claphamsa (and heinz).

Telle 06-24-2008 02:20 PM

Vote count as of 394:

4 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294)
1 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362)
1 - OlieGirl - Passacaglia (270)
1 - Schmidty - claphasma (291)
1 - saldana - Alan T (326)
1 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339)
1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394)

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 02:22 PM

aaaah - well not sure if we should thank them or curse them for that i guess.

was just curious because KY is nominally in my sales-territory (I have everything north of tennessee and west of west virginia all the way to the pacific (and arizona), and I like to know my states.

mccollins 06-24-2008 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759555)
was just curious because KY is nominally in my sales-territory (I have everything north of tennessee and west of west virginia all the way to the pacific (and arizona), and I like to know my states.


That's a HUGE territory!
Last question of the derailment - what do you sell?

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccollins (Post 1759563)
That's a HUGE territory!
Last question of the derailment - what do you sell?


yes it is huge. it'd be great if my company was actually making money and i was seeing income from this territory, but hey...what can you do? :banghead:

what do i do: i work for a little startup marketing independent investment managers (think "baby fidelity" for example) to investors (corporate pension funds, college endowments, public pension funds). as of now we haven't had much success -- hoping that we do before i have to call it quits and move on to something where i can earn a living wage.


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