She's not...:devil:

?

If this next vote is a villager that will give the wolves a win, correct?

That is correct Danny.

It's especially difficult since there are 6 players left: 2 wolves, 1 sorcerer who will vote with the wolves, and 3 villagers. IF the wolves and sorcerer vote together and have the tie-breaker...game over.

hence racer's quick vote on me before I could even get my reveal out

so not only have I told you he's a wolf, but the evidence supports it

So Daddytargo has nothing to lose by lying and putting himself in a position to be lynched the next day.

Yeah, and if they get the seer to vote with them, they'll win but they'll expose themselves in the process.

I mean sorcerer, not seer.

Alright, here goes guys.

My night one scan was PurdueBrad. He came up a villager. I originally voted for Danny today because I wanted to get information out of the newbies. I switched it to Cougar to simply tie the vote and try to get information out of both of them and also to see if anyone like DaddyTorgo switched their vote. Since the chances were low that PurdueBrad was the sorcerer, I pretty much had it in the back of my mind that I was going to go with him if it made a difference in the final vote total.

I scanned DaddyTorgo tonight and he came up wolf. I've been planning on a quick vote a lot of the day whether or not I found the wolf unless the sorcerer was dead. The reason why is that even if I hadn't found the wolf, I would at least know for certain that one or two people weren't wolves and thus increase the odds of us getting a strike on day 3. What are the chances that I am a wolf planning to do this that randomly chose the seer?

By the way, the game is over if you don't go with me.

you wouldn't have to randomly do that if you suspected I was the seer, or if you got some sort of tweak when I scanned you (i dunno what your wolf-rules say about that, but it's been known to happen)

game's over if you don't go with me

Oooooh, fun!

Well guys, I really am the seer. I tried to sound like I wasn't in my posts by suggesting the seer do things. I also attempted to drop a very minor hint that I thought PurdueBrad and LSG were good (basically saying that they generally trying to get to the bottom of things) in the event that I was killed during the night. I thought people would be less likely to go after them then and give the villagers a better chance of winning. Since I scanned PurdueBrad the night before I knew he was a wolf and I generally felt that LSG probably wasn't a wolf.

Corrected, I believe?

Racer was the 3rd person to vote in round one and he voted Jackal.

DT was the first person to vote in round one and he voted Lathum

now PB's a wolf??

you said he was a villager before.

your lies are confusing you wolf.

PB - what does that make you think?

D1 votes tell us nothing in this case

Just putting then out there in case there was a pattern to how wolves tend to vote in round 1.

Looking back, the votes tell us little. My thoughts are this:

The wolves are paired as such
Racer and LoneStarGirl

OR

DaddyTorgo and Claphamsa

Here's why I decided to scan each person.

PurdueBrad - Given all the how great of a player Lathum is, I figured he'd be a night one kill if he wasn't a wolf so I didn't scan him. I scanned PurdueBrad because in an earlier post (I will find it later if you want), he said something about how he'd imagine that at least one of the wolves had to be one of the five returning players. That comment bothered me a bit (probably because I'm a math guy) so I basically scanned him because of it.

DaddyTorgo - I scanned him for a number of reasons. The first reason is because he never bothered to change his vote on Lathum the first day even though no one else had voted for him. I'm pretty sure I did the same thing when I was a wolf the first day. The second reason is I just simply had a bad feeling about him. The 3rd (although pretty minor) is that he voted for Cougar in such a way that I sort of felt he just trying to get some of the attention off of Danny. The fourth reason (also minor), is that LSG seemed a bit unsure about him. If you look back, I was also willing to vote with her to lynch DaddyTorgo.

LSG was a villager. I'd say Racer and...idk who else right this second. Will have to read up on it tomorrow.

Doesn't matter though...if you get this wrong tomorrow we lose.

LoneStarGirl is dead though

Sorry typo. He was a villager when I scanned him.

Wow. That was unexpected.

see bold

Yeah, I corrected it because I'm dumb.

LoneStarGirl is dead and came up as a villager.

I never change my D1 vote without a reason. Especially on a runaway. There's no reason to. And I voted for cougar at the same time PB voted for danny...we were trying to draw them out of their shells and get them talking. And I felt both of them were really villagers so there was no reason to change at the end.

Doesn't matter, you're just a wolf trying to misdirect. The evidence is there. Why else vote for me so early...seconds after the deadline? I hadn't even gotten my reveal typed out yet in a format that could be read.

Ahh, gotcha. Typo just like me. :)

DT, did you already post this? If not, what were your rationales for your scans?

Clap hasn't been on since before the lynch was revealed. Does that mean anything or can the wolves decide who to vote for and one of them send in the decision?

Thay can send in provisional orders.

Early vote count (as of 336)

DaddyTorgo (2)- Racer (291), PurdueBrad (302)
Racer (1)- DaddyTorgo (297)

Although if I picked the same person as the wolves did, I'd be out of luck.

I really don't think PurdueBrad is a wolf, I didn't think so before, and I don't think a wolf would have made that typing mistake putting lonestar girl in there instead of Axxon.

my rationale - for racer was simply the interactions between LSG and him tweaked *something* in me. Had lathum been alive I would have gone for him here obviously.

my rationale for clap was because he's a vet and he was talking an awful lot early and suggesting and mentioning my name, and I wanted to see if I could trust the direction he was trying to steer things.

PB - I don't know that you're a wolf, but you jumped awfully fast with Racer there without any explanation still - what gives?

hey guys...WW posts count over here...sssh

I'm just giving you my reasons to why I chose to scan you tonight over say Axxon or Claph. The reason why people should vote for you isn't because of my rationale for choosing to scan you in the first place, but because you turned up wolf when I scanned you.

I gave an explanation and racer had given none and you still jumped straight with racer and still haven't explained it - what's up with that? are you the other wolf and this is you guy's coming out party and you hope to attract the sorcerer and end this?

Not a wolf DT. I'm either the sorcerer or trying to pull of a fake sorcerer reveal to get the second wolf to throw their vote out there.

So...I'm either going with Racer for the win if he's a wolf

OR

I'm faking Racer's partner into coming forward in order to nail them both.

Alright one thing. Why would I spend all this time explaining my actions if I was a wolf. If I was a wolf, all I would have to do is say, "Hey sorcerer, you need to vote with me and so and so and we win the game." Simple as that since I own the tie breaker.

A reveal as a wolf would actually make since if I was a wolf. But I'm not a wolf. I'm the seer.

maybe that's what you're doing now since you just realized that

Then Racer, why were you so concerned about whether or not LSG was the sorcerer?

bawhaha - it all starts to fall apart for racer, as he should - since he's the wolf

DT, I think you and I are both asking the right questions here.

This was referring to me switching pressure to Lonestargirl in the last vote. Not sure this is a post that would come from a seer

ohhhh and there we go. There's the sorcerer - axxon

now they've got their 3? unless you're not the wolf PB...in which case you should be getting off of me to force out that third wolf - just so we can see who it is before we lose

Early vote count (as of 352)

DaddyTorgo (2)- Racer (291), PurdueBrad (302), Axxon (350)
Racer (1)- DaddyTorgo (297)

why not? I have no idea what you are or what lsg was at that point

Ooops, should read:

Vote Count (as of 355)

DaddyTorgo (3)- Racer (291), PurdueBrad (302), Axxon (350)
Racer (1)- DaddyTorgo (297)

DT- Right now it looks like Racer and Axxon are together (wolves or not) and Racer has me scanned as human (meaning either sorcerer or villager). Wouldn't you rather I give them comfort, if they're wolves and jump later?

not if it's going to stack up the rest of the villagers on me, no

I get what you're saying PB, but from a selfish "i'm right...listen to me!" standpoint, no

DT, here's what it'll come down to. Claphamsa is going to vote with you, I predict that now, meaning it'll be a choice between the pairs I am concerned about.

Then...one of three people are the sorcerer: Me, Danny, or LoneStarGirl was (which we've received no verification on).

You're in trouble due to the tie-break so it's either well-organized wolves or a well-organized villager.

I will say this, Racer's concern over the sorcerer could definitely be damning. Problem is, unless LSG was the sorcerer, they've got you.

Only one of you two can directly come out and say I am a wolf vote with me and still win and while he may have kind of hinted at it, he didn't directly say it like he could have. Or are you not allowed to directly say that?

I was going to try to hold out revealing if I possibly could (wishful thinking looking back given the way I voted since my vote makes it pretty obvious that I'm either the seer or a wolf). I probably would have PM'd Barkeep with this question if I was a wolf truthfully (being the paranoid person I am).

You can directly say it. Where was it hinted at (must've missed it).

Would it have said LSG was the sorcerer if she was?

Not a super strong hint, but potentially reminding the sorcerer of what a vote with racer will mean.

Games usually reveal roles, so I'm kind of surprised it didn't, especially since earlier we got a villager reveal in BK's write-ups.

Danny, I'm running out to get some tacos but this game will come down to your vote and mine if I've read things right.

I need to know for sure if Lonestargirl was a regular villager, a sorcerer or if we do not get to find out. My vote depends strongly on that information.

Danny - LSG was a regular villager - according to the writeup on the first page she's listed as villager. If she was the sorcerer it'd be listed on there. There's nothing in the role description that says that the sorcerer would show as a villager upon death.

Racer had no reason to defend himself as the seer. He could easily have come out and said yes I am the wolf and the game would be over.

Okay, I just rethought what my mindset was at the time. What I said above is not exactly the case. My plan was basically to vote early if we didn't get the sorcerer since it would be vital that we voted early. I couldn't tell from Barkeep's write-up, so I went ahead and copied and pasted my "Vote: DaddyTorgo" from microsoft word (I actually had two other people if DaddyTorgo came up villager although I'm pretty sure I only needed one). Once I got Barkeep's message, I continuously hit refresh on my computer until Barkeep's write-up came up. My heart was beating pretty hard once he posted it and my next general thought was that I needed to know whether or not LSG was the sorcerer since my pre-plan was trying not to reveal if whoever was killed was the sorcerer. Basically, I was going to try to get people to vote for DaddyTorgo without revealing so I could get another night scan in to try to find the other wolf.

Dola, I bet my post came within 15 seconds of when Barkeep posted his message.

Alright, I'm off to bed. If I missed any questions, let me know and I'll answer them tomorrow.

Unless LSG was the sorcerer which he didn't know yet. Right?

I don't think he is a wolf but by game mechanics that's right, right?

Well Danny, here's what we've got. I agree with your read that IF Racer was a wolf, he could just come out now and say that he's a wolf, Axxon's a wolf, sorcerer join us. The fact that he hasn't, gives him some points in my book.

At the same time, DaddyTorgo is a veteran player and he's reveal seems unnecessary to fake. Also, I doubt that the DT and Claph would've been picked as wolves as they're both more veteran than a lot of players.

Flip side of all of this though is that Claphamsa has been pinging my wolfdar pretty heavy and I truly had to work hard to give him the benefit of the doubt.

For all of that, I'm currently on DT but we'll see if I stick there.

She was a regular villager. Post 2 will contain exact roles upon death, including that of sorcerer.

wow, PB stock on again~!

vote PB
vote nightfall

we lynch racer next and win! (I dont think we will win, there is still a sorcerer out there to vote with PB and Racer.

This vote makes no sense given what has gone down. I don't see how any vote could be for anyone other then me or DaddyTorgo.

too true, voted fro the wrong wolf :) was busy agreeing with PB that he was bad

unvote PB
Vote Racer

lol okay - that makes more sense clap. was like "uhhh what?" before

i don't see how any vote could be for me either - except for Racer and his wolf-buddy -- but that's because i know i'm the seer, so i have the advantage of knowing that.

well either you or racer are lying... I, betting its him

any reasoning danny?

Well if the two good villagers left believe me, then I think you two need to decide who you plan to vote for and be ready to vote for after night fall. After today, I would be shocked if the final four isn't this:

PurdueBrad, Danny, Axxon, and Claph


This was post 295 and seemed kind of out of place to me. Because of this post, I have a gut feeling that he is the sorcerer. I know PurdueBrad currently is voting for DaddyTorgo. However, he's a veteran. He isn't going to clearly out himself by voting for me. However, since PurdueBrad is NOT a werewolf, under no circumstances should you vote for him tomorrow. We lose the game if you do. Mainly, I just want to urge the other players to be weary of anything that PurdueBrad posts this day. He is a veteran. He is going to know how to manipulate you if he is bad (and all I can say is that he isn't a werewolf).

That leaves Danny, Axxon, and Claph.

I would hedge my bets that Claph is the other wolf because of odd little things such as seeming to know that Jackal would turn up good. I believe he countered this by saying that he read Jackal's reveal hints to mean that he was the hunter. But then, why didn't he do more to save Jackal? Also, if you read more then one post last night, you know that either DaddyTorgo or I is a wolf. Yet, he votes for PurdueBrad at first. There is no way that should have happened unless DaddyTorgo pm'd him and told him about the showdown going on in the thread. If he was good and only read one post or so, he would have just skimmed the thread and not voted for NO ONE. He did vote
for someone though.

Danny and Axxon (assuming you're good :) ), win this for the villagers tomorrow. Be ready to vote.

good analysis, but im a vilegar. and i couldnt save jackyl, even if i was SURE, i couldnt do anythign....

Racer - We've been over this. You are clearly the wolf - trying to attract the sorcerer and your wolf-buddy to your vote.

I believe PB is a villager and not the sorcerer and that axxon is likely the sorcerer. At least I hope PB is a villager.

I scanned you...you're a wolf. And your play surrounding this whole thing has been quite wolfish, so even if nobody else can know that I scanned you and you're a wolf, they ought to be able to see how wolfish your instant-vote on me was.

I hope the sorcerer gets confused and backs me thinking that I'm the last wolf though - that's the only way out of this for us.

so i'm really in a screwed-spot, because i'm the seer and i need you all to believe that, and yet i have to try to play it down the middle now and hope there's enough doubt that the sorcerer (axxon?) thinks that i'm a wolf so that they vote with me.

otherwise we lose.

very frustrating

Ok, I don't understand something and I feel I'm going to need to know it tomorrow. What does vote nightfall mean? Does it simply end the day early and do all the players have to vote it or is it some sort of strategy thing?

Yeah, if the gm allows it and everyone (or maybe it doesn't have to be everyone, I'm not sure) votes nightfall, the days end and the night begins. It's purpose is to finish the game quicker in the event things are a forgone conclusion.

Axxon, you are here. Who do you think the other wolf is between Claph and Danny?

I've got to admit, knowing that the sorcerer is likely still out there, I'm surprised there has not been a stronger move to call him out. I think the deadline vote movement is going to be very, very interesting to watch. As I predicted, it's Axxon-Racer vs. DT-Claph with Danny and I in the middle. One of those pairs is wolf, the other is villager. Should be fun to watch.

PB we al know you are the sorcerer!

I think that this will ultimately come down to Danny's vote because I'm strong thinking of simply moving with him if he moves.

You know where I've been voting since day one. Nothing has really stuck out about Danny honestly to change that thought.

Am I? :devil:

Or am I faking this to get the wolves to out themselves? :devil:

It is you, me, or Danny and I guess since nobody is counter-revealing, it must be me.

right?

right

Bartender, I'd like some clarification on this when you have a chance.