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jeheinz72 11-14-2007 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 1593442)
The only other vote that comes to mind would be voting je in order to see whether Pass is accurate or not. But since he's likely dead after tonight I don't know if that's 100% enough for the other seer to determine which he is.


Plus the whole fact I'm human so you'd learn nothing. ;)

Passacaglia 11-14-2007 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72 (Post 1593440)
Do we know though if upon death the Fake is revealed as the Fake? I think the only way the Seer's really will know who is who is when we lynch incorrectly one of their "recommendations".


I don't think we know. Cronin -- do we find this out on death?

jeheinz72 11-14-2007 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1593443)
This is correct.


My guess is he forgot his password ala Marshall from How I Met Your Mother. Just sing!

Passacaglia 11-14-2007 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 1593442)
The only other vote that comes to mind would be voting je in order to see whether Pass is accurate or not. But since he's likely dead after tonight I don't know if that's 100% enough for the other seer to determine which he is.


I thought about this as well, but the other problem is that if je is human, then that still doesn't tell us if I'm the real seer or not.

path12 11-14-2007 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72 (Post 1593440)
Do we know though if upon death the Fake is revealed as the Fake? I think the only way the Seer's really will know who is who is when we lynch incorrectly one of their "recommendations".


The last time I saw this mechanic it was not spelled out when a seer died. I know because I was the other one and really could have used that info (though as it turns out I was the fake then).

jeheinz72 11-14-2007 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 1593449)
The last time I saw this mechanic it was not spelled out when a seer died. I know because I was the other one and really could have used that info (though as it turns out I was the fake then).


Yeah, Neon's game (hey one I've actually played!). My guess is we won't know if the Fake is a Fake.

Anyhow, I gotta jet. Slim slim chance I'll be back on, but not likely. I'd throw another name out there but let's just say I'm not doing too well at that (I've managed to name both the Duke and best-case the Fake Seer).

So yeah, I'm sticking with PB for tonight. At least we can "clear" that whole mess up for now.

path12 11-14-2007 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1593447)
I thought about this as well, but the other problem is that if je is human, then that still doesn't tell us if I'm the real seer or not.


Yeah, I don't know that I love the idea of going that way. At this point I'm open to suggestions.

Abe Sargent 11-14-2007 05:07 PM

Nowhere else to go but PB.

Vote Purduebrad

Still not completely sold on Pass, but he has a bye for now. Let's see what happens with PB. PB comes up good, my suspicion on Pass drops to the normal amount of suspicion I have on everyone. Because BK wasn;t saving PB.

PB comes up bad, then we have something else to look at.

st.cronin 11-14-2007 05:07 PM

From day 1 of the aborted start:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 1592116)
Do we learn if it was the medic of fake medic upon death?


Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1592121)
A good question: The answer is no. All roles will be revealed upon death, but there will be no differentiation between the "seer" and the "fake seer."


path12 11-14-2007 05:08 PM

Wouldn't it suck if Brad was the other seer?

jeheinz72 11-14-2007 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 1593456)
Wouldn't it suck if Brad was the other seer?


Yeah it would, but would he really "invite" votes if he was? Or would he come out so misguided on Day One?

Granted, I've never been Seer, ever, but if/when I am, I'm going to at least make sure I live to make a scan!

Anyways, I'm Audi.

Abe Sargent 11-14-2007 05:11 PM

Good point jeheinz

Passacaglia 11-14-2007 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72 (Post 1593457)
Yeah it would, but would he really "invite" votes if he was? Or would he come out so misguided on Day One?

Granted, I've never been Seer, ever, but if/when I am, I'm going to at least make sure I live to make a scan!

Anyways, I'm Audi.


I thought I was the only one who says "I'm Audi"!

path12 11-14-2007 05:31 PM

Well, I'm out. Appointment then dinner date with the wonderous yet grounded Ms. Path. Good luck to us.

PurdueBrad 11-14-2007 05:44 PM

vote jeheinz and doing so to hope prove that Pass is the real seer. I didn't catch the part where it said the scan would be random if he's not so this might be naive but I would assume he would scan opposite. So if Heinz is human, I would trust Pass.

Although now that I say this, I am wondering if the fake seers scans are random or always human. If I'm back from dinner, this may change although it isn't likely to change my ability to live through the night.

Passacaglia 11-14-2007 05:52 PM

The rules say it's a random result.

st.cronin 11-14-2007 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad (Post 1593485)
vote jeheinz and doing so to hope prove that Pass is the real seer. I didn't catch the part where it said the scan would be random if he's not so this might be naive but I would assume he would scan opposite. So if Heinz is human, I would trust Pass.

Although now that I say this, I am wondering if the fake seers scans are random or always human. If I'm back from dinner, this may change although it isn't likely to change my ability to live through the night.


Please don't vote this way, try to leave a line of space above and below your vote so its easy to find when skimming the thread.

RendeR 11-14-2007 06:08 PM

VOTE THOMKALL

RendeR 11-14-2007 06:09 PM

-L

Passacaglia 11-14-2007 06:20 PM

No explanation or anything?

Thomkal 11-14-2007 06:25 PM

Sorry I haven't been around to participate today guys.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Seems to be the smart place to vote given the seer revelations.

Lorena 11-14-2007 06:35 PM

Hey Thomkal

Chief Rum 11-14-2007 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1593002)
Oh, and seeing my name every two seconds is making me feel vulnerable, Chief.


Not my fault you love the Lakers. :)

Schmidty 11-14-2007 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1593512)
Not my fault you love the Lakers. :)


You are a twister of the truth. I should vote for you!!!!

Nah. I'll go with the hive-mind because I don't know what else to do, other than I know what not to do:

Vote PurdueBrad

Abe Sargent 11-14-2007 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1593503)
Sorry I haven't been around to participate today guys.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Seems to be the smart place to vote given the seer revelations.


Was there another?

Thomkal 11-14-2007 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick (Post 1593511)
Hey Thomkal


Thanks DC!

Schmidty 11-14-2007 06:56 PM

Happy birthday!!!

Schmidty 11-14-2007 06:56 PM

Now don't ever vote for me.

Thomkal 11-14-2007 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1593517)
Was there another?


None that I can see, hence my vote. :)

Thomkal 11-14-2007 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1593522)
Now don't ever vote for me.


Heh, how about not voting for you in the next hour instead? :)

Chief Rum 11-14-2007 07:06 PM

Hmm, Barkeep was on path, and to my thinking, wolves tend to split their votes up. I doubt there was another wolf on path. And I don't think they would make an obvious run to "save" PB. My guess is he is a villager and the wolves laid low while we nattered away at each other.

I think at least one wolf had his vote on someone out of the debate, which is fairly common practice. And since his hit and run vote smells a little and he has been a lot less noisy than he usually is, I'm going on a hunch here.

VOTE RENDER

If he turns out a wolf, I also think Thomkal is the other wolf. It strikes me as a Render-ish sneaky play to vote the other wolf to garner trust later on if Thomkal gets caught.

st.cronin 11-14-2007 07:17 PM

PurdueBrad - 6 - Passacaglia (223), path12 (286), jeheinz72 (292), Anxiety (308), Thomkal (321), Schmidty (324)

jeheinz72 - 1 - PurdueBrad (315)

Thomkal - 1 - RendeR (318)

RendeR - 1 - Chief Rum (331)

No vote from ntndeacon that I find.

Thomkal 11-14-2007 07:37 PM

That's actually a good theory Chief Rum, but one hole in it is that I am a soldier, not a wolf.

RendeR 11-14-2007 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1593500)
No explanation or anything?


None really needed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick (Post 1593511)
Hey Thomkal


This was my initial reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1593517)
Was there another?


This was my secondary reason

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1593523)
None that I can see, hence my vote. :)


See previous comment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1593527)
Hmm, Barkeep was on path, and to my thinking, wolves tend to split their votes up. I doubt there was another wolf on path. And I don't think they would make an obvious run to "save" PB. My guess is he is a villager and the wolves laid low while we nattered away at each other.

I think at least one wolf had his vote on someone out of the debate, which is fairly common practice. And since his hit and run vote smells a little and he has been a lot less noisy than he usually is, I'm going on a hunch here.

VOTE RENDER

If he turns out a wolf, I also think Thomkal is the other wolf. It strikes me as a Render-ish sneaky play to vote the other wolf to garner trust later on if Thomkal gets caught.



Honestly, I don't have the energy to be that sneaky CR. Its beena very long and trying few days. Between personal issues, cars breaking down, kids, and work. I'm lucky I have time to read this right onw, let alone the brainpower to comprehend it.

There is confusion regarding PB, I don't agree or disagree with any of the arguments at this point.

A Runaway vote tells us squat. So I offerred up a sacrificial Thom, so to speak.

You don't have to agree with me or vote with me if you don't want. I just want to incite a bit of thought on someone other than PB for right now.

Thomkal 11-14-2007 07:55 PM

I still don't know why Render voted for me, other than it's my birthday. :)

Chief Rum 11-14-2007 08:02 PM

Well, it's my birthday tomorrow. Will he vote for me?

st.cronin 11-14-2007 08:08 PM

deadline

st.cronin 11-14-2007 08:08 PM

Not a lot of people around, but this is what I have:

PurdueBrad - 6 - Passacaglia (223), path12 (286), jeheinz72 (292), Anxiety (308), Thomkal (321), Schmidty (324)

jeheinz72 - 1 - PurdueBrad (315)

Thomkal - 1 - RendeR (318)

RendeR - 1 - Chief Rum (331)

No vote from ntndeacon that I find.

Same as in the above post. You all have a few minutes to correct me if I have missed one.

st.cronin 11-14-2007 08:13 PM

PurdueBrad has been lynched.

He was a wolf! Nice job, villagers.

st.cronin 11-14-2007 08:14 PM

Pms going out.

Abe Sargent 11-14-2007 08:15 PM

Awesome!

In other news, what bad play by BK to connect himself with a wolf that way

st.cronin 11-14-2007 08:15 PM

Passacaglia has been killed by wolves! He was one of the medics - but which one?

Day 3 has begun, deadline Thursday 9:00pm Eastern Time.

RendeR 11-14-2007 08:20 PM

Crap, that means there is another one. I was hoping for a two wolf game ;)

Abe Sargent 11-14-2007 08:20 PM

Hmm. Sorry Pass. You just got the misfortune to get associated with two wolves. That put pressure on ya, and you had to reveal.

At least we know there is a chance we may have the real seer still out there.

Abe Sargent 11-14-2007 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1593575)
Crap, that means there is another one. I was hoping for a two wolf game ;)


Fastest game of WW in that case ;)

Abe Sargent 11-14-2007 08:26 PM

Let's go back and reassess the Day One votes. This may be the most important Day One vote I've seen.

Abe Sargent 11-14-2007 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1592809)
So, this is what I still have:

PurdueBrad - 3 - AlanT (44), ntndeacon (72), path12 (88)
path12 - 3 - jeheinz72 (74), Passacaglia (147), Barkeep49 (149), PurdueBrad (141)
Alan T - 2 - Schmidty (76), RendeR (90)
Schmidty - 1 - Anxiety (80)
Chief Rum - 1 - Thomkal (84)
Barkeep49 - 1 - Chief Rum (94)


You all have a few more seconds to correct me, then it becomes final.


Okay, here are the votes. What do we see here. Path had four people vaote for him. Three are dead, two were wolves.


There were still two AlanT votes. I can;t remember if Schmidty or RendeR came back after he revealed he was the bg. Can anyone check that?

jeheinz voted for path very early compared to the later moves. Is he a wolf who stayed?

There were three outling votes (Me, CR, and Thomkal). Did a wolf try to hide here?

Or maybe a wolf wanted a vote on PB from the beginning to get in the COT. I would not be surprised that BK, PB and the 3rd wolf discussed what to do and BK agreed to move to path rathern than have th e3rd move off PB.

Those votes are path, who is either a duke or a wal sympathizer, AlanT and ntndeacon.

Of those four scenarions, I have placed them in the order that I think they are most likely. I think the most likey scenario is that either the third wolf was alraedy on path (jeheinz) or on AlanT and chose not to move off just in case another vote or two fell that way. (Schmidty, RendeR)

Since I got flak for not including myself in my own analysis when I was Ares, I figured I'd do so here.

If we do really well today, we can get a rare three day sweep and end the game with one of the best villager wins ever!

Alan T 11-14-2007 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1593563)
PurdueBrad has been lynched.

He was a wolf! Nice job, villagers.



PurdueBrad, I saved you a seat, come over and watch the rest of the game with me. No hard feelings! :)

PurdueBrad 11-14-2007 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1593585)
PurdueBrad, I saved you a seat, come over and watch the rest of the game with me. No hard feelings! :)


Thanks Alan, I was desperately trying to save my wolf-ass on day one.

Go wolves!

Chief Rum 11-14-2007 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1593563)
PurdueBrad has been lynched.

He was a wolf! Nice job, villagers.


Wow, we're getting tons of help here. The wolves made an odd move with PB getting himself in the Alan T tete-a-tete, and then BK stayed on path, which pointed the target more strongly at PB. Albeit, BK was almost certainly caught unawares by the duke move, but wow, what a turn!

Schmidty 11-14-2007 08:56 PM

So, are night 2 actions done?

Abe Sargent 11-14-2007 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1593608)
So, are night 2 actions done?


I thought cronin ending the night was the end of the actions. Thread title says day 3

st.cronin 11-14-2007 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1593608)
So, are night 2 actions done?


Yes.

Schmidty 11-14-2007 09:09 PM

Ok then.

Passacaglia 11-14-2007 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1593576)
Hmm. Sorry Pass. You just got the misfortune to get associated with two wolves. That put pressure on ya, and you had to reveal.

At least we know there is a chance we may have the real seer still out there.


Hey, at least my deductive skillz were able to help you guys bag a wolf on Day 2. Nice job rounding the village against me, PB.

path12 11-15-2007 12:35 AM

Two for two. Let's get that last one, fellas!

Chief Rum 11-15-2007 01:18 AM

I hate to say it, but I will be out almost all day tomorrow. It's my birthday and a friend got me and my bro and family VIP tickets to the Kings-Ducks game. We're going straight after work, so no chance to check back in until late.

So I am voting now.

Despite his protestation of innocence, I am going with Thomkal. I feel that a wolf tossed on a late vote on PB when it was all but done. IMO, the best two candidates for that are the last two voters, Thomkal and Schmidty. And Schmidty has the excuse of generally not being around early (like me).

So I am going with Thomkal for now.

VOTE THOMKAL

jeheinz72 11-15-2007 07:33 AM

Wow nice! 2 for 2 baby! Sucks we might have lost a seer, but thems the breaks. Pass was painted into a bit of a corner.

As far as my Day One vote for path, it was just that, a Day One vote (because he killed me in RendeR's game when I was close to winning). Let's note that the 2 wolves we've offed voted well after I did and it's not like I had any idea of path's potential dukiness leading up to my vote.

I'd have to agree that Wolf #3 is somewhere in the "other" votes from Day One, not sure it's Thomkal or not, but I'd guess it's highly unlikely that the 3 wolves would all make their votes so visible on the first day

ntndeacon 11-15-2007 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1593711)
I hate to say it, but I will be out almost all day tomorrow. It's my birthday and a friend got me and my bro and family VIP tickets to the Kings-Ducks game. We're going straight after work, so no chance to check back in until late.

So I am voting now.

Despite his protestation of innocence, I am going with Thomkal. I feel that a wolf tossed on a late vote on PB when it was all but done. IMO, the best two candidates for that are the last two voters, Thomkal and Schmidty. And Schmidty has the excuse of generally not being around early (like me).

So I am going with Thomkal for now.

VOTE THOMKAL



This could easily be right, but I do want to make the point that Anxiety's vote was only an hour and a half prior to Thomkal's vote. I think that is where I am going.

Vote Anxiety


(On another note I do apologize for not getting a vote in yesterday. I do believe Iwill be back briefly this afternoon to check but it wont be for long.)

Thomkal 11-15-2007 09:16 AM

Well I disagree with Chief Rum's theory, especially the part about voting for me since I'm a soldier, and I did not try to defend either of the two previous wolves Purdue Brad or Barkeep.

My theory is the wolf stayed away from voting for Purdue Brad yesterday because there are three at least semi-cleared people on PB-Pass (medic if he's the real one), Jeheinz (cleared by Pass), and Path (duke if he's the good one). Making it only a one in three chance of hiding amongst the rest of the PB voters.

So I think he stayed away all together, knowing people would think the wolf put a vote on PB in an attempt to hide. And hey look at that, Chief Rum didn't vote for PB.

vote Chief Rum

RendeR 11-15-2007 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1593812)
Well I disagree with Chief Rum's theory, especially the part about voting for me since I'm a soldier, and I did not try to defend either of the two previous wolves Purdue Brad or Barkeep.

My theory is the wolf stayed away from voting for Purdue Brad yesterday because there are three at least semi-cleared people on PB-Pass (medic if he's the real one), Jeheinz (cleared by Pass), and Path (duke if he's the good one). Making it only a one in three chance of hiding amongst the rest of the PB voters.

So I think he stayed away all together, knowing people would think the wolf put a vote on PB in an attempt to hide. And hey look at that, Chief Rum didn't vote for PB.

vote Chief Rum



Good theory and all but the safest play for a wolf knowing he's going to be alone and vulnerable is to appear as much of a villager as possible. So he would, IMO, have stayed with the majority and not made any waves.

You seem to ignore in your theory as well, the fact that I and ntndeacon both voted away from PB as well.

Are we special? Is there some reason you don't suspect us but do suspect CR?

I voted for YOU yesterday, so if your theory holds any weight at all you should be voting for me, not CR, but CR is the guy you go after?

Your theory has holes the size of Montana.

VOTE THOMKAL

Thomkal 11-15-2007 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1593852)
Good theory and all but the safest play for a wolf knowing he's going to be alone and vulnerable is to appear as much of a villager as possible. So he would, IMO, have stayed with the majority and not made any waves.

You seem to ignore in your theory as well, the fact that I and ntndeacon both voted away from PB as well.

Are we special? Is there some reason you don't suspect us but do suspect CR?

I voted for YOU yesterday, so if your theory holds any weight at all you should be voting for me, not CR, but CR is the guy you go after?

Your theory has holes the size of Montana.

VOTE THOMKAL


I certainly do suspect others who did not vote for PB, I just directed my comments towards Chief Rum because he voted for me today. And judging from how the voting is going today, I think more and more the perfect place for the wolf to hide was one of you three. I could just as easily vote for you because of your vote on me yesterday, but since CR was the one who opened the attack on me today, I voted for him.

jeheinz72 11-15-2007 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1593711)
I hate to say it, but I will be out almost all day tomorrow. It's my birthday and a friend got me and my bro and family VIP tickets to the Kings-Ducks game. We're going straight after work, so no chance to check back in until late.

So I am voting now.

Despite his protestation of innocence, I am going with Thomkal. I feel that a wolf tossed on a late vote on PB when it was all but done. IMO, the best two candidates for that are the last two voters, Thomkal and Schmidty. And Schmidty has the excuse of generally not being around early (like me).

So I am going with Thomkal for now.

VOTE THOMKAL


My only issue with that is, wasn't it Thomkal's birthday yesterday (happy b-day to you both, btw), so doesn't that explain his late vote?

I'm still looking at one of Anxiety, Thomkal, Schmidty -- just not sure who.

jeheinz72 11-15-2007 11:06 AM

I can't say I've ever really understood retalitory voting in WW. Just because someone votes for youk, that makes them a wolf? That's some faulty logic, isn't it?

Abe Sargent 11-15-2007 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72 (Post 1593877)
I can't say I've ever really understood retalitory voting in WW. Just because someone votes for youk, that makes them a wolf? That's some faulty logic, isn't it?


I've always thought so, barring self defense votes.

jeheinz72 11-15-2007 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1593922)
I've always thought so, barring self defense votes.


Yeah, the only case that makes sense to me is voting for the other horse in a 2-horse race.

Anyhow, for now.

Vote Thomkal

Pending change as the days events unfold.

Abe Sargent 11-15-2007 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 1593790)
This could easily be right, but I do want to make the point that Anxiety's vote was only an hour and a half prior to Thomkal's vote. I think that is where I am going.

Vote Anxiety


(On another note I do apologize for not getting a vote in yesterday. I do believe Iwill be back briefly this afternoon to check but it wont be for long.)


I understand that Day One votes are the most important,. and i don;t begrudge you voting for me, because besides two people, we really have no people in anything resembled a COT, so we have to dig.

Having said that, I do want to point out that my voe was cast at 6, Thomkal;s was an hour and a half later, then it was 7:30. With a 9 deadline, that's a big difference.

Thomkal 11-15-2007 02:24 PM

I'm amazed no one will even explore the possibility that I could be right about where the last wolf is hiding.

Abe Sargent 11-15-2007 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1593959)
I'm amazed no one will even explore the possibility that I could be right about where the last wolf is hiding.


Your theory should be expanded to "Not vote for PB by voting for another OR by not voting at all"

Thomkal 11-15-2007 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety (Post 1593963)
Your theory should be expanded to "Not vote for PB by voting for another OR by not voting at all"


I'm fine with expanding my theory to that since I'm not on that list. Look at my voting record. I did nothing to save or defend either of the two wolves. In fact other than saying I was fine with voting Purdue Brad after the results of day one, I've said nothing about them I believe. Does that really sound like a wolf to you?

path12 11-15-2007 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1593959)
I'm amazed no one will even explore the possibility that I could be right about where the last wolf is hiding.



I've been wondering about Chief since day 1 actually. He was the other person who was defending Purdue, although it was couched much more as a critique of Alan's push after he got back. I had been hoping that someone would have scanned him, but that's an iffy proposition also.

One thing I don't get, especially after the nice analysis we had yesterday, is the run on Thomkal. I don't see that at all. Other than the Chief questions I've briefly noted above, the other person who intrigues me the most just by his total difference in play is RendeR.

I'll follow my gut on this one for right now anyway.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

path12 11-15-2007 03:47 PM

BTW, Happy Birthday to all in this thread who are having birthdays now or in the next year. Don't want to leave anyone out. ;)

jeheinz72 11-15-2007 03:56 PM

Path is pretty much the only person in my COT other than me, and he's been money so far.

Unvote Thomkal

Vote Chief Rum

Abe Sargent 11-15-2007 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1594000)
I'm fine with expanding my theory to that since I'm not on that list. Look at my voting record. I did nothing to save or defend either of the two wolves. In fact other than saying I was fine with voting Purdue Brad after the results of day one, I've said nothing about them I believe. Does that really sound like a wolf to you?


Don;t look at me - I haven;t voted for you. You are near the top of my admittedly poor suspicion list but that;s because of a Day One vote, not because you yourself rang my bell.

RendeR 11-15-2007 04:27 PM

Vote Count?

Schmidty 11-15-2007 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1593959)
I'm amazed no one will even explore the possibility that I could be right about where the last wolf is hiding.


You know very well where he's hiding.

Vote Thomkal

st.cronin 11-15-2007 05:56 PM

Vote count:

Thomkal - Chief Rum (357), Thomkal (360), RendeR (361), Schmidty (376)
Chief Rum - path12 (371), jeheinz (373)
Anxiety - ntndeacon (359)

no vote from: Anxiety

Abe Sargent 11-15-2007 05:57 PM

Yeah, I'm torn on where to go.

Abe Sargent 11-15-2007 05:58 PM

Schmidty seems awfully sure of himself, sounds like there might be something there.

Vote Thomkal

RendeR 11-15-2007 05:59 PM

I don't think thomkal voted for himself....

st.cronin 11-15-2007 06:04 PM

Good point, Render:

Vote count:

Thomkal - 4 - Chief Rum (357), RendeR (361), Schmidty (376), Anxiety (379)
Chief Rum - 3 - path12 (371), jeheinz (373), Thomkal (360)
Anxiety - 1 - ntndeacon (359)

no vote from: Anxiety

RendeR 11-15-2007 06:09 PM

I think Anxiety has voted now too ;)

Schmidty 11-15-2007 06:11 PM

You know, even though I've been insuating this the whole game, I am a Seer/ Medic/ Geneticist. I am allowed to choose 2 people to scan a day. The first person will be scanned if he isn't lynched. If he's lynched, then the number two person will be scanned.

So far my scans are as follows:

Day 1 - ntndeacon is human

Day 2 - Thomkal is a wolf


Now, if we vote for Thomkal and he is NOT a wolf, then I am the fake seer, and Pass is the real one. If he is a wolf, I think we win. Either way, I'm either dead, or a winner, or I confirm Pass as being real. So this reveal is a good idea, I think.

st.cronin 11-15-2007 06:13 PM

Yep, stupid cut n paste:

Vote count:

Thomkal - 4 - Chief Rum (357), RendeR (361), Schmidty (376), Anxiety (379)
Chief Rum - 3 - path12 (371), jeheinz (373), Thomkal (360)
Anxiety - 1 - ntndeacon (359)

RendeR 11-15-2007 06:19 PM

This is looking like the fastes game of WW ever.....Thom wasn't very convincing ;)

ntndeacon 11-15-2007 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1594123)
You know, even though I've been insuating this the whole game, I am a Seer/ Medic/ Geneticist. I am allowed to choose 2 people to scan a day. The first person will be scanned if he isn't lynched. If he's lynched, then the number two person will be scanned.

So far my scans are as follows:

Day 1 - ntndeacon is human

Day 2 - Thomkal is a wolf


Now, if we vote for Thomkal and he is NOT a wolf, then I am the fake seer, and Pass is the real one. If he is a wolf, I think we win. Either way, I'm either dead, or a winner, or I confirm Pass as being real. So this reveal is a good idea, I think.


woohoo someone scaned me early cause igo under the radar. :) THis is good enough reason to change my vote.

Unvote Anxiety
Vote Thomkal

Thomkal 11-15-2007 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1594123)
You know, even though I've been insuating this the whole game, I am a Seer/ Medic/ Geneticist. I am allowed to choose 2 people to scan a day. The first person will be scanned if he isn't lynched. If he's lynched, then the number two person will be scanned.

So far my scans are as follows:

Day 1 - ntndeacon is human

Day 2 - Thomkal is a wolf


Now, if we vote for Thomkal and he is NOT a wolf, then I am the fake seer, and Pass is the real one. If he is a wolf, I think we win. Either way, I'm either dead, or a winner, or I confirm Pass as being real. So this reveal is a good idea, I think.


Well I hate to break it to you Schmidty, but you are the fake seer. Or the last wolf, looking for an easy target. Because I'm human. I have no way of proving that of course other than my voting record as I've said before. So if it means my death to prove it, I guess its worth it. I'd rather you vote for the last wolf instead of me though.

Schmidty 11-15-2007 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1594142)
Well I hate to break it to you Schmidty, but you are the fake seer. Or the last wolf, looking for an easy target. Because I'm human. I have no way of proving that of course other than my voting record as I've said before. So if it means my death to prove it, I guess its worth it. I'd rather you vote for the last wolf instead of me though.


Sorry, I'm not convinced. I have a 50/50 chance of you being the wolf, and a much less chance of someone else being the wolf.

It's just mathematics. No offense.

Abe Sargent 11-15-2007 06:54 PM

Looks like I was right to follow.

Thomkal 11-15-2007 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1594146)
Sorry, I'm not convinced. I have a 50/50 chance of you being the wolf, and a much less chance of someone else being the wolf.

It's just mathematics. No offense.


No offense taken, you have to take the chance.

path12 11-15-2007 07:01 PM

Schmidty, you said you could scan two people per day. Who were the other ones?

RendeR 11-15-2007 07:10 PM

He has conditional scaning, if the person he wants to scan first gets lynched, then he scans the second.

He just gets to name 2 targets each night, not actually scan 2 people.

path12 11-15-2007 07:10 PM

Dola, and why ntn and Thomkal out of curiosity?

path12 11-15-2007 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1594172)
He has conditional scaning, if the person he wants to scan first gets lynched, then he scans the second.

He just gets to name 2 targets each night, not actually scan 2 people.


I understand that. I want to know who the other targets were and the reasoning behind them. We have a wolf lover still out there after all......

RendeR 11-15-2007 07:12 PM

I see what yer saying, good point too, who were they and why them?

path12 11-15-2007 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1593608)
So, are night 2 actions done?


Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1593615)
Yes.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1593620)
Ok then.


I kind of took this exchange to mean that Schmidty was a seer of some kind. I'm not sure which though. I'd have thought that if he scanned Thomkal as a wolf I'd think it would have been a little more........well.......definitive than this exchange indicates.

path12 11-15-2007 07:17 PM

And just following that up a bit further.....if he had scanned Thomkal as a wolf and knew night 2 actions were done, why did he wait until now to out him?

Schmidty 11-15-2007 07:19 PM

Copied and pasted:

Night 1 Scan

1. ntndeacon
2. Thomkal


Night 2 Scan

Scan

1. PurdueBrad (He's likely dead, but)

2. Thomkal


My reasoning was gut, since it was only the first two days, and there isn't a history to go on. Besides, if anyone knows me, I always play on guts, since I have aptitude for logic.

Schmidty 11-15-2007 07:21 PM

I am what I am. I told you what I can. That's it.

I have no idea what else to say. Ask questions I can answer, and I'll answer them; otherwise, it is what it is.

path12 11-15-2007 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1594186)
I am what I am. I told you what I can. That's it.

I have no idea what else to say. Ask questions I can answer, and I'll answer them; otherwise, it is what it is.


Two questions then:

1) Why weren't you sure about night 2 actions being over?

2) Why didn't you come out and vote Thomkal right after finding out he was a wolf?


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