I'd like to see a few more people nominate themselves for Consul. I think that will offer us another source of information based on who votes for whom to become Consul. I guess there's nothing to stop me voting for anyone but I'd rather vote for someone who actually wants the job. My leaning would be to vote for someone who is rich and is, therefore, likely to be able to hire a bodyguard. As with the Big City game I think the wolves have a vested interest in killing the Consuls and limiting our opportunity to take action. Again, I'll be regarding anyone not voting in the Consul election as being pretty suspicious - in a big game like this we need as many records of voting patterns as possible.

I would like to lobby for the consul position. I am extremely disappointed in how things turned out for Westvus Fanus' arrest. Obviously, something has come up, and he has asked to be removed from the game, but this still nonetheless puts us in a bad spot.

After tomorrow (the second and last day of the current term), I will be available at all times from the morning through the early afternoon. It will be plenty of time for me to assess potential arrest candidates. I also would like to put myself out there to be checked, because my schedule tends to make me look quiet halfway through the game, and thus suspicious.

I encourage anyone who wishes to sue me to get information from me. My promise is that someone will be arrested every day. I guarantee it.

Also, I think we need to move on some of the people who have not yet been sued. Did anyone get any information from the first day's suits that are of use to us? I'm not necessarily advocating they should speak if the information is best left secret for now (although I can't think of much info besides role information that would qualify), but it might be helpful in a game like this for us to be more revealing of at least some of what we learn.

In the interest of making sure everyone gets sued at some point...

CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES LONESTARGIRLUS

She claims too much confusion at everything. I have always suspected she knows far more than she allows, and plays up the naive angle too much. Here's too hoping I find out there is more to it than that.

I will withold my vote on Coffee Warlord until tomorrow.

I don't think we'll learn anything from Day 1's suits until tomorrow. I have not, to my knowledge, been sued, and I welcome anyone to do so, as it will help prove me as loyal to the Senate and the ideals behind it.

Hmm, you may be right. I thought when the services were determined, and arrests made, that the suits might have been handled then. But now that I think of it, I think you're right that st. cronin only put them on the docket. I'll have to go back and check to confirm.

I'm not sure if the player can be held for another day but either way waiting another day is wasting a day. As there can only be two prisoners at any one time that means that the Consuls can only arrest one person today. I think we have to vote to execute or to free so we can get two more people to vote on tomorrow. Might need clarification from St cronin on that as I guess he didn't consider there only being one prisoner this early in the game.

Yup, Peregrine, you're right. That sucks, I won't find out results until I get home from work tomorrow night. There certainly is a delay between action and result in this game, isn't there? Lawsuits, service hiring, arrests and kills, etc.

Narcizo, time difference confusion, I think. From my perspective, I am still on my "Monday", wrapping up my computer activity before I hit the hay. "Tomorrow" for me means when I wake up in a few hours later on this morning.

In other words, I will be voting well before the Tuesday deadline (in fact, some eight hours before).

(meta-point) Incidentally I think it's interesting that in a recent thread Alan was saying that it was too easy for the wolves to hide in the early stages because people generally vote to lynch people who make a lot of posts (because they'll always be able to find something suspicious in among the posts). Only for him to arrest an experienced player who was making more of a contribution to the thread than a lot of other people.

I'm just saying is all. :)

Ah! Gotcha.

It's 11 in the morning here now. Stupid time zones. :o

19 cases per day? That's a lot better than I had hoped for. In that case

Narcizo sues Pewegwine

I got a hinky feeling from his opposition to arrests being made yesterday. Admittedly the infamous second-level analysis suggests that it probably means he's a villager (a wolf probably wouldn't be so vocally for or against anything on day one) but I'll probably miss out on most of the action today so I have to play the hand I'm dealt. Clearly I won't be voting for him should he be arrested though as he's been one of the most vocal people here and I'm going to be sticking by my rules for the first three days or so. And he's someone who hasn't been sued yet.

And because his name works great with a lisp. :D

Vote Coffee Warlord is innocent.

In case I need the vote bolded for whatever reason.

This will probably get complicated quickly with two different votes we want to keep track of so it's probably best to start the counting early so someone else can take over during the day.

Coffee Warlord
Execute (4) - Barkeep #285, Tyrith #286, Swaggs #294, Narcizo #298
Release (1) - AE #312

Consul vote
KWhit - SnDvls #283
Barkeep - Barkeep #285

Not sure if CW is allowed to vote to release himself. (st Cronin?) If he is then I think 15 votes are needed to execute him. If he isn't, then 14 are needed.

an interesting point....this game is quite different from others, where sitting idly by and not lynching anyone is harmful to us. however, since there is no apparent night kill in this game, do we have the time to sit and wait for evidence?

honestly, i dont think so. i would expect there to be other methods of killing us than throwing us off the rock, otherwise, there would be no real way for the wolves to win.

also, i have been wondering about winning conditions....i figure there have to be at least 5 tarquinblahs out there...does anyone else think they may have a winning condition if they are elected to both Consul positions and the Tribune at the same time?

Wow. A lot of material to plod through today.

As is, I have no desire to become consul. My interests are vested in the people of Rome.

I think I now see the point of acquiring wealth through Lawsuits. Afterall, he who has the most money will most likely be able to avail the most number of services (whatever they may be). Since this is so, I will then have to go ahead and collect wealth.

Neon Chaos sues the following:

Abeus Anxietus
Antus Meisterus
Autumnus Leavus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Pathus Twelveus
Peregrinus Barbarus
Snus Dvlus

As for voting: For now, I will choose to Execute Coffee Warlord
And I will vote to re-elect Alan T. (we're allowed to do this, right?) to keep the boat steady for a while.

There were kills in the Big City which was a game without "nights". I see no reason why there shouldn't be kills in this.

Although it would be quite an interesting game if there aren't any kills and the wolves have the victory conditions you laid out. However I think those victory conditions would make the game a bit too random, depending on the initial set-up. (if the Tribune started as a wolf they would have a much better chance than otherwise).

It's something to think about though as I hadn't even considered the possibility that the bad guys might have victory conditions diverging from the standard 1:1 ratio. Maybe it isn't as straightforward as I presumed.

That was meant to be quoting saldana, incidentally.

And Neon Chaos, you're not allowed to revote the current Consul.

OK, no info on services and suits won't be settled until later.

Ardent voting for CW as innocent would hold more weight with me if he didn't consistently align himself with CW in games, for better or worse.

I'm going to be at temple today (well, technically a seminar) until sometime fairly close to the deadline. I fully expect to be back in time to vote on CW and hope that there is some further information at that time. Although I'm usually an advocate of "execute now" I really do want a little better understanding of the game mechanics before blindly doing this.

Consul - I'm willing to be elected, even though that didn't work out spectacularly well in the "Big City" game for me. I don't have the wealth to enable a bully pulpit, but I do have the best interests of the city at heart.

You make it sound like I've been pushing for a lynch here. If anything, I feel that I have tried to remain completely objective about Coffeus Yakus Warlordus in my conversations since his arrest. If you have noticed, I have not yet voted to lynch him, but like I said before I felt inaction on my part would set us back a day. I had hoped this arrest might be a spearpoint for discussion regarding the possibility of his being treasonous or not.

Unfortunatly I was in a difficult spot yesterday, and remain in a difficult spot today. I am charged with placing those who are disloyal to the republic under arrest for treason without any or at least very minimal evidence. I had asked for suggestions from my fellow senators on who suspicious people were that I might consider arresting might be, yet all of you remained mute. I will repeat that request today for any thoughts about individuals that I should consider arresting and why, in hopes that I might have some guidance in this decision for today.


I don't believe you need to vote to free him. My understanding is if a majority of votes choose to throw him off the rock, then he is removed. Otherwise he is freed at the end of the day. So from what I can tell, you either vote to throw him off the rock or remain silent. (From a vote perspective that is. From a game perspective, we obviously can choose to vote not to throw him off the rock with detailed reasons if we so choose to create discussion).


I have noticed the pattern in whom you have chosen to sue, but any reason why you decided to leave one individual out from a lawsuit?

Also I can not be re-elected today. The earliest I could be elected again as consul if people so chose would be on day 4.



Ardentus Enthusiastus has been an ardent supporter of Coffeus Yakus Warlordus since his arrest, however my impression is that it is based on a gut feeling no different than my choice to place him under arrest was.

In order to continue from yesterday where I left off with lawsuits, I still do not believe any of us have seen the upside from lawsuits or the negative consequences from them. We also do not know what merits their decisions will be based on just yet. So I will remain conservative in my decisions of whom I shall sue. We may find that they do not give us much information back at all, but either way today I have several decisions to make with very little information to rely upon. WHether or not to throw Coffeus Yakus Warlordus off of the rock, who to elect as the new consul, and whom to place under arrest.

For the same reasons as my previous lawsuit, I'll issue two new ones today.

Alanus Teeus sues Chiefus Rumus
Alanus Teeus sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus

Were I Consul I would have voted to arrest the person I would vote to lynch on day one in a traditional game setting. Hoping to shake out some information about whether he's treasonous or not seems a bit hopeful at this stage of the game. But I can see your point and hopefully someone will have access to some sort of seer-like ability and will be able to safely provide us with information about him, in which case it will be very welcome news.

If you want my suggestions about who should be arrested today I'd go for someone who has had little input in the game by the time you make your decision. Maybe the fear of arrest will get people talking more.

Actually, I think the last game I played with CW was last year about this time. I was a wolf, and CW went after me.

That game, in particular, is why I see Warlord's play as the same. He told me afterward he came after me because he had nothing to lose. I see this as the same play.

Who would you see as quiest so far and fitting in the role of trying to just blend in?

I have already received one vote for consul and would welcome more. I would be happy to serve the will of the people and rid the senate of the filthy, traitorous Tarquinists.

I have no strong feeling on the guilt or innocence of CW at this time. And this is a completely different situation than a normal game's day one where we have many different people to choose from and can gauge a person's loyalties by whom they vote for. Since there is only one person eligible to be thrown from the rock, it is going to be MUCH harder to get any meaningful information from this vote.

I am on the fence about my vote at this time, but may vote for his execution simply to see what the mechanics of this particular game are.

Vote Kwhit for consul. There you go.

BTW, I did receive word that my legionaire guy is a 1 day deal.

Coffee Yakus is allowed to vote both for his own innocence, and for Consul.

When asked about the lawsuits, st.cronin said:



That worries me a bit and suggests that most of my lawsuits are going to fail, as I sued Senators with more wealth than my own. As we all know, money buys favor in the courts.

Therefore, in order to better serve the people and grow my bankroll I am suing all Senators that currently have the same wealth as I have (that I did not sue yesterday):

KAYUS WHITUS SUES CHIEFUS RUMUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES HOOPUS GUYUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES NEONUS CHAOSUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES TYRUS ITHUS

I guess I missed that part of the message from Cronin.

At the moment it's easier to say who I think isn't doing that. Hopefully that will change today.

Currently I definitely wouldn't consider Peregrine (adamantly against arresting someone), KWhit (issuing multiple writs), AE (voting for CW), Barkeep (First to propose himself for Consul), Autumn (seems to have posted a fair bit and issued a couple of writs).

People who haven't really posted anything of significance include ImTheCrew, Antmeister, LoneStarGirl, Ironhead, Swaggs, Bulletsponge. (forgive me if I've missed something they've contributed).

Hopefully the picture will be different by the time it comes for you to make a decision.

Alanus Teeus elects Dodgus Erchickus for consul.

A consul doesn't need to be available alot during the day, they just have to be open to input from other senators able to get in their action before the end of the day, have the best interest of the republic at heart and ideally money to be able to aquire appropriate services for either protection or information.

I can't speak one way or another for Dodgus Erchickus's loyalty to the republic, but that is also true for the majority of the others in the senate at this time as well. Dodgus Erchickus is however one of the wealthier in the senate and thus I would think best able to protect themselves.

I perhaps would elect one of a number of individuals next time around, but as of now we have had no opportunity to see the results of numerous lawsuits, or gain information any other way. So if my vote to elect will be based on very little, I am trying to at least find some benefit to push one person in my mind above others.

It is true that a consul does not need to post too much, but Dodgus Erchickus has been nearly non-existant in the game so far - only 7 posts in the whole thread. I question this nomination.

Yes because the 11 posts from Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus is far more significant and shouldn't be questioned? I have no problem with you seeking to be elected Consul, but your most recent comment is very odd to me to single that one out of the bunch.

Just responding to your statement that "A consul doesn't need to be available alot during the day, they just have to be open to input from other senators able to get in their action before the end of the day."

I wanted to state that while that is true, it is important for us to KNOW that the consul will be around to make arrests. We have already missed one arrest and can't afford to miss more.

Out of interest how do we see how many times someone has posted in a thread?

Also, I responded to your nomination of DC primarily because I had forgotten that she was even IN the game she has been so quiet. So I looked up her post count in the thread.

I did not have the same kind of perception about Barkeepus, so I didn't see how many posts he had when he was nominated earlier.

This may not interest anyone except me, but I'll ask anyway:

Do you all think that several folks will bid for my services (as the best lawyer) or will people overthink things and think that AE (as the #2) will be more easily available?

I am just curious, as I have not learned a whole lot about my role yet.

Outside the thread itself, it's one of the links to the thread. Click on the number of replies.

Click on the number of replies shown beside the thread title in the Werewolf Games forum.

Vote Chief Rum for Consul

If he is available to participate, as he says he is, I think he would do a very good job of asking questions and then analyzing how they are answered.

I shall wait to see who else throws their hat in the ring before deciding on my second vote.

You'll get some bids for sure. There will be some that overthink things, but there will be others that will bid on you just because of the thought that maybe everyone else will bid on AE.

I have not seen anything in Dodgus Erchickus's history to make me feel there is a risk of missed arrests. You are pushing quite hard right now for what only appears to be selfish reasons (powerlust). Right now I for one question whether you place the republic's interests above your own.

Someone previously mentioned that a traitor is less likely to try to put themselves into a position of authority. I actually feel that an experienced player with treasonous qualities would very like to make that play, as it would allow them to escape arrest for multiple days, help their fellow traitors avoid arrest for two days and thus far information we have gained from others seems quite slow. We do not know what their winning condition is, how the consul plays into that either. I am beginning to wonder if our fellow senator Kayus Whitus is making such a push right now in the open. Someone as experienced as him would make such a bold play if they were treasonous I would feel.

I don't necessarily think that we have to get wealthy people in the Consul posts, as long as the bodyguards are used to protect the Consuls it doesn't really matter who is paying their wages. Of course the Consul is more likely to protect himself then someone else is to decide to protect them but if everyone plays as a team we should be alright. What we definitely don't want is a situation where people are being appointed to be a consul and are then being killed immediately. From what I remember of the Big City game it was important that the players in the Consul(/Judge) post are around immediately after the end of day so they can get their arrest orders out before the bad guys kill one of them.

I also notice that Imus Thecrewus has been nearly non-existent in this thread and certainly has not been helping our cause. Perhaps he should be arrested to see if we can get him talking that way.

I have been posting steadily throughout the game. While 11 may not be a momentous figure, nor is it some indication that after Day 1 I have not been actively involved in this game.

I assume that some of the wealthier members might not be as concerned with whom others will try to hire.

You missed the point. I never said you wern't being active. In fact, I don't know anyone who has said that you havent been.

I agree that this Senator could contribute far more.

Fair enough. I clearly read something to your post which was not there.

Thanks. :)

I'm having a hard time seeing KWhit's moves as being wolfish, it just seems a bit too bold if he was a wolf. But then again I saw that Alan was quite interested in pushing people who he seems to think are overstating their case in the Cold War thing. I don't think either are particularly suspicious at the moment and I'd really like us to concentrate on the quieter people around before this turns into yet another case of lynching people because they're actually saying something relevent.

You make a good point that a treasonous senator might very well try to gain as much power as possible as quickly as possible. There is a LOT that a treasonous consul could do to thwart us. The thing that scares me the most is that a Tarquin Consul could arrest another Tarquin, get him thrown off the rock, and all of a sudden be in a solid circle of trust until endgame.

I am the only senator that I know to be loyal to Rome. I am making this push because I personally trust NO ONE ELSE at this point to hold this important office. And I remind you - I did not ask for votes until I had already received one unsolicited. If you mistrust me, you must also mistrust SnDvls. You cannot believe that SnDvls and myself if Tarquins would put both of our butts on the line so openly this early in the game. Your mistrust is wise, but it is misplaced.

stcronin: Who is capable of hiring a lawyer on behalf of the senate? I am guessing that whoever hires us can then assign us to prosecute a charge of treason?

I was feeling pretty good about my (relative) safety until I comprehended that part of the rules. Thinking about the lawyer-role, I know in my description I was told I am loyal to the Republic, but I still think I go and act on behalf of the highest bidder, so I'm not real sure how this role is going to play out. Also, we don't know (and I doubt if stcronin will tell us) if someone else can become a lawyer if one of us dies. Should be interesting.

Incidentally people seem to be alluding to the fact that they can vote twice in the consul elections. Did I miss something because my read of it is that you only vote once and the two people with the most votes get in.

I wonder what the tie-break situation is. I think it's best that the people around at the time avoid us finding out that there isn't one by using their vote to break a tie before the deadline.

For someone to be thrown off the rock, I am pretty sure that they would need to be arrested first. As of now, I am the only one arresting people, and while I don't feel that I have much trust for him at this point, its clear that others do feel better about him. Enough to the point that any arrest of him would likely right now until we find other information out would end up in a no-conviction and thus be a wasted move on my part and no better than inaction itself.

Whether or not he gets elected as consul and whether or not he chooses to use the position to pursue personal vendettas will only be seen I suppose. As of now unless I find reason to do otherwise, I plan not on arresting him today as I do not see anything coming from it tommorrow.

We may (so I assume we are not required to) place two votes for Consuls and one vote for guilt or innocence.

It has been pointed out before (in this game as a matter of fact), that often two of the more vocal people (usually both good guys) are set against each other early on while the quiet wolves sit in the background and skate by. AlanT and I cannot fall into that trap here. We are both vocal and helpful to the cause at this point, IMO.

We need to focus on the quiet ones until evidence suggests we look elsewhere.

Well, in the attempt to not die...

The old thought about having to lynch someone Day 1 doesn't really apply here. You can't use that when there's only 1 target. You're losing a loyal member of the Republic for an almost totally useless voting history.

Oh.

And Vote Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus Innocent

Elect Kayus Whitus for Consul

Voting for KWhit? I've found his comments decent enough. My other Consul vote is in the air right now.

This brings up a question in my mind... Cronin, can we withdraw our election vote and choose someone else as long as it occurs before deadline?

Alan (you do not have to answer this if you do not want to), would you consider jailing someone who is a significant vote-getter today?

I am wondering what that may do to our potential Consuls (ie: if a Consul is found guilty, do we go without until a new term comes up or is there a "special election?"

I have no vendettas at this point. I wish I did, as that would suggest that I had some idea of who might be a Tarquin. Alas, at this point I do not.

And I do not think that your nomination of DC for Consul was suspicious, just a bit surprising as I did not recall her participating much in the discussions so far (something I feel is important to have in a consul, IMO).

D'oh! Looks like I'm an idiot who should read better. So we do get two consul votes.

In that case

Vote KWhit for Consul with my first. I think his points have been valid up to this stage. However I don't necessarily buy his argument that both he and SnDvls must be bad guys if one of them is.

I'll wait till this evening with my other consul vote.

I think I have already answered that previously, but if there is enough trust in someone to vote them a consul, I find it hard to believe they would find enough votes to be thrown off the rock the very next day without cause. Thus my arresting someone who appears to be fairly popular, seems to be nothing but a wasted move on my part.

Good answer.

I am going out on a limb for my second Consul vote, as this person has not expressed interest in the position, but re-reading through the thread, I feel like they would do a good job:

Vote Autumnus Leavus for Consul

I am curious to see if anyone else has a good feeling about Autumnus Leavus?

I have a better than average feeling about Autumn.

Anyway I'm going home now. I probably won't be around very much at all for the rest of the day but I'll come in to cast my second Consul vote when possible.

At the risk of sounding self serving:
I have nothing against KWhit, but let me point out that the bad guys likely know who the other bad guys are and so they may safely nominate someone for Consul knowing that person is a good guy. Alternatively, the good guys don't know who the bad guys are and could accidentally nominate someone who is a bad guy.

However, I do like KWhit's speeches and will likely cast my vote his way.

KWhit is getting himself too much focus and attention in this game for my liking. I don't like it when the game starts to center around one or two players, and KWhit is certainly garnering a lot of attention so far. I won't really oppose his election to consul too much, because he seems to be coming out as a consensus candidate....but it kind of quietly alarms parts of me.

CR or DC would both be acceptable consul choices for me with the other slot.

I like CR's reasoning, so my first vote for consul will be him.


Vote Chiefus Rumus for Consul


Also, I agree that we need to do something today with CW.

Vote to Execute Coffeus Yakus Warlordus


I think that a baddie would want to avoid the spotlight of the Consul. I find posts like Neon Chaos at 316 to be suspicious.

I don't know...

I am usually more alarmed by the quiet ones early on. Usually the most vocal ones are the ones that end up getting wrongly lynched simply because there is a spotlight on them.

However, I am glad that I am receiving so much attention though, because I think it will make me a prime candidate for a seer scan, which I welcome.

To be honest, I'm having a pretty hard time having too much of a feeling about anyone right now. This game is so chaotic I'm mostly just trying to hang on and wait for some people to die to lower the number of people I have to think about. That is largely why I'm being fairly quiet -- the other reason being a test this evening and a test Thursday morning, so I may not be terribly active the next two days.

The attention thing and the quiet thing are related concerns. When we get so much focus on a single player, making them the center of a lot of what's going on -- especially in a game this size -- it casts a shadow for the quiet players to hide in. It doesn't as much alarm me about YOUR allegiance as much as concern me about the general game situation and our ability to effectively pick targets.

I don't know. As a good guy, as a GM, and as a bad guy I've seen villagers waste a day or more in a game because they started t osecond guess a candidate for no real reason other than "we can;t all support a candidate this soon."

I, for one, trust KWhit. I always have, including our little survivor Lupus team. As such, I'm happy to spend my other vote.

Vote to Consul whatever KWhit's nick is.

Oh, we should definately elect people. I'm just trying to emphasize that we should be careful we don't turn this into the KWhit vs. whomever game, or something like that, as WW games sometimes tend to devolve into games focused around an interaction between just a few players.

On that note, I'm not going to resist the popular urge, consensus is fun:

VOTE ELECT KWHIT

I'm not sure this is really a safe opinion to have as a villager in a WW game, no matter how much you want to instinctively trust your friends.

I see what you're saying, and I agree. I think we need to arrest some of the quiet ones today. Alanus Teeus will do what he thinks best, but I wonder what will happen with the other arrest.

st.cronin - what's the story on the other consul position?

He posted this last night:

I don't know what he means by "The Tribune." Does that mean that we will collectively vote for who's arrested today?

Everybody here is my friend Tyrith. Including you!

I find it amusing we worried about *that* at this point and basically totally ignoring the slow progression to off me.

You're my buddy too, you give me nice casual Magic articles to read ;)

Give me evidence that we should let you live and I will gladly take my vote off. However, we can't start figuring out what's going on without racking up some sort of body count, and our lack of information so far is extreme enough that I'm going to move away from my typical let's-not-murder-randoms stance for today. You are the unfortunate victim of circumstance, it seems.

It appears that I am headed toward a position of power. I know it's early and things could change, but I want to go ahead and get this out there in case people are going to be away for part/most of the day.

I am currently loyal to Rome. I welcome a seer scan to prove it. However, this makes me a prime target to be converted (if such a thing exists). If anyone has the power or service to keep this from happening, it might make sense to provide this to me to thwart the attack. I would welcome someone sharing their bodyguard with me (as I am too poor at the present time to hire one myself).

Hopefully, just my asking for this is enough to scare off the Tarquins.

Wern't you a bad guy in that game? :)

If I had any, I would.

And it's the exact attitude of inevitability that I don't think we can use this game. You realize how utterly easy the traitors will have it if we rely on the old attitude of 'whelp, someone has to die, axe him' in this game? We can ONLY have a maximum of 2 people up for execution. Now, imagine the traitors manage to get a Consul in power. We keep knocking people off as a matter of course, doing their job for them, as we only can put our votes on one of two people (one of one today).

As for the conversation about who is more likely a wolf, the quiet players or the loud and out front players, I find many different people's comments confusing a bit to me and perhaps even to the point of having some agenda behind them.

Its a very easy point of reference that is true in every game.

Its very unusual for all of the wolves to be loud or all of them to be quiet. Most often you have 1 or a couple of louder, out front wolves helping drive conversation in certain directions. You also usually have 1 or a couple of wolves who hide in the shadows and avoid attention. This means you can't say people who are quiet are wolves, or people who are loud or out front are wolves.

Villagers who are quiet = don't contribute much, and if lynched less likely to be lynching people who will help you win.

Wolves who are quiet = if you lynch them, it helps remove someone who could do alot of harm behind the scenes without drawing much suspicion.

Villagers who are noisy = Usually draw alot of attention on themselves, often end up costing the village time in lynching good villagers who just were overeager. Usually later in the game will be active and involved in conversation.

Wolves who are noisy = Lynching them usually helps you put together some pieces as they often say alot during the game, and you can go off of what they say (or perhaps dont say) to determine your next steps.


So, thats the reasoning behind my conversation earlier with Narcizo about who we think are the quieter wolves are. I'll probably go for someone whom I don't find contributing much right now today with my arrest, however by no means do I think that means someone making a bold in your face play isn't a wolf. Also I don't necessarily feel post count = quiet or not either. Some people talk alot but say very little.

Later on, yes. But then we'll have a clue, and we can't really start to develop a clue without doing something. I mean, I see your point, and I wouldn't recommend blindly killing people all the way down the road, but right now, there are other problems that feel like my hand is forced. Which is too bad, because I don't really want to kill you, you're fun to have around.

So let's make it real simple.

Unless you like killing a villager. Don't.

In which game. The city? Nope. The sheffir and the town? No. i've seen people chjoose not to vote for someone to power just because, and it was silly on multiple occasions when I wasn't the bad guy.

Wish I could take your word on that.

Now I admit this is self serving, but while I agree with Alan's analysis, I only agree with it after Day 3 or 4. For the first few days lynching vocal players can have game long ill effects.

Come now. If I'm a traitor, would I have gone out suing someone else, claiming totally openly that it's for nothing more than personal gain. Look at the size of this game and tell me it won't be ungodly easy early on for the wolves to kick back, throw a line in here and there, and hide. If I was a bad guy, why on earth would I bother making so many seemingly suspicious moves in a game this huge.

You gain nothing today but a dead villager. You gain almost nothing in voting history because you can't vote for anyone else. You lose one of the weathier citizens who can keep key services away from bad guys.

this is true fellow Senator...I trust Kayus Whitus completely and I also believe my suit against him will confirm that he is loyal to the Republic.

still catching up. one page back on last night/this morning's stuff


i think saldana may be onto something about the tarqs having a victory condition for filling both the consulships. think about it in the context of the backstory of the game and it makes a lot of sense hmm?

i'd be open to a consulship. i am tending to be around plenty.

VOTE TOSS COFFEE WARLORD OFF THE ROCK

just because we need some more info. I'd like to see anyone who votes not to toss him off the cliff offer a reasoning too, not just miss the vote.

given wolves could hide in the tossing him off the rock group also (and indeed likely are), but i'd like to see everyone offer reasoning. it at least will give us something to analyze.

I dont think my response, or the comment from you that I quoted referred to the city, the sherrif and the town or anything along those lines.

You made a comment that you trusted kwhit in the survivor game, and I asked wern't you a bad guy in that game? I found that more funny then anything at the time, but not sure why you are avoiding answering it.

Elect Kayus Whitus to Counsul

Vote Coffeus Warlordus Innocent

Hrm. There is definately some logic here...I don't know anymore.

Damn.

I have been thinking about this one, as I caught something in one of CW's posts that makes me feel pretty good that he is loyal, but I did not want to make myself look bad by switching my vote from him. He also makes a sound point about eliminating a wealthy player from the game, which would potentially allow less wealthy players with ill intentions to win services.

I will disclose, in case anyone questions my motives, professionally, that I have not yet been retained by anyone. To be even more clear, CW has not hired me and I am not changing my vote because he is my client.

Unvote CW Guilty

Vote CW Innocent

I am torn because I would like (and I think we need) to know more about the dynamics of the game, but I think CW is loyal to the Republic and that his death will not benefit us more than his life will.

I thought st.cronin said somewhere that the lawyers wouldn't know they were hired until after the fact...

Or was I dreaming that?

I was pretty sure that cronin said lawyers won't know if their services were hired until the end of the day. So you wouldn't know yet Swaggs.

Also I am going out on a limb here but guessing that there are some wealthy traitors and some less wealthy traitors.

I don't like looking at a Consulship for anyone who has not already cast their vote on CW. I don't like putting Chief Rum in charge of arresting people. He is too erratic and does not gain input from others, at least not in the Tombstone game.

I do think we need to lynch, as we likely cannot win without lynching and waiting puts the odds in favor of the wolves. I can't imagine st.cronin would have a game where the wolves cannot kill, he's just too traditional in his outlook on how WW should be. So based on odds of victory in favor of us loyal to the Republic:

VOTE TO LYNCH COFFEUS WARLORDUS

For Cosulship, I can go with BK, he is likely to listen to the input of others. I would also favor hoopsguy at this point if he runs. I will also throw myself in the ring. I am low in the wealth area and have no special abilities. Basically, I have nothing to lose in the post, so what the heck.

VOTE BARKEEPUS VALERIUS FORTYNINEUS FOR CONSUL

VOTE GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS FOR CONSUL