I have no real reason to suspect JE, but I guess we need a lynch to learn from.

Vote Jonathan Ezarik

I'm the Artful Dodger. I work for Fagin but have no idea who he is. I gather intelligence for him, but I'm good.

I feel a little bad voting for you because I feel you're one of the better players but if Izulde had the same number of votes, I'd probably vote for him.

If Izulde ends dying sometime at some point during the game and turns out to be evil, I'll be looking in a different direction.

A vouch can be verified later, and isn't worth risking a lynch on day 1. I think it's something like that rather than full faith in what Fouts says.

Sweet. We've back into killing a bad guy ally. An acceptable D1 result.

I've gotta go. Hope we get something.

How so? I do Fagin's dirty work, but I'm good. At least I could be used to figure out who he is.

I think you need to build trust. Not just show up when things go bad. If Izulde and I were both bad guys, I surely wouldn't vouch for him.

It would be a very strange wolf play to do what Fouts has done, basically vouching for a player who was on the block.

Kind of hard to build trust in your second game and you get lynched on the first day.

I must have missed this in my quick read, who did Fouts vouch for?

i have a hard time with this reveal....the list of roles is rather huge, and says not all of the roles may appear in the game, so what you are asking us to believe is that you have role that wasnt even listed....imo, you had to come up with something that no one else could possibly have, so you pulled a Dickens character out of no where to claim, sort of lathum's pony express rider move.

You help Fagin. Fagin is a bad guy. Ergo, whether you yourself are good or bad you do the work of those who wish to harm us.

I meant in the game, not over a series of games. I started building trust with my posts this morning. Once the time came, I gave my (semi-trusted) opinion on somebody who was on the block.

Well, the Fagin character is listed. But I guess you'll find out shortly when I'm lynched that I was telling the truth.

You know what i always like to do? Wait 3 games until he forgets it ever happened, then go out of my way to get him killed early and laugh it off...ahh, good times, eh lathum? ;)

By gathering intelligence? I can also be used to help the good guys since I know who Fagin's going after.

FWIW, I believe you. Unfortunately, the mob needs to be fed. :(

There was a run of votes on Izulde, and Fouts came out and claimed he was a villager.

Re-read the roles -- Fagin is bad, but the urchins are good.

Not even close.

Gotcha. But this is how I play. I'm pretty quiet and if this is going to be a problem I'm always going to be lynched early. I don't have anyone to vouch for so how can I build trust?

I understand completely. I'm all for a lynch tonight, just wish it wasn't me. :(

You just have to accept that in most games, somebody's going to get unjustly lynched early. Today, it's you.

Reveal some of who you are. Something that is helpful to the villagers, but not too helpful. If you seem too helpful, you are a night kill. While I rarely get lynched, I die at night all the time.

The role is so outrageous it sounds real enough...who knows at this point.

Usually the vote progression goes like this:

d1: someone who hasn't voted
d2-d4: random loud people who will complain, or people that make a tiny tiny slip
d5: actual trust based gameplay

This is a horrible generalization, of course, not including stuff like witnesses and the like, but there usually isn't a big rush to crush people that are semi-talkative early.

i feel sorry for ya Jon. this is my first game ive played with ya and it looks like it will be very short.

This day 1 has been kinda weird. I don't know why people kept voting for JE over Izulde at the end....

WTF, I'm stupid, I forgot about fouts. WHATEVER. I HATE WW :P

Well... I don't think it's necessarily that ridiculous. The Artful Dodger was one of the urchins, and I'd presume his function is as such, maybe more skilled as a pickpocket than usual. It's not made up out of whole cloth like Lathum's reveal.

Do a reveal when I'm not on the line? I revealed when I was asked, but no one cared. Oh, well. No big deal. Good luck to the good guys.

I believe his reveal, though i think its a role we can lose as im not sure how helpful to good it will be. I believe it though

JE, sorry you had to go early...i promise next game i will do everything in my power to ensure you last awhile longer

nice...you never help me last more than 2 days :D :mad:

No hard feelings, guys and gals. I should have come on earlier today and said that I was busy with work and wouldn't be able to really get involved until later. Live and learn, eh?

ditto

but i dont like you, so why would i?

:) joking sal, much love

i find your lack of smiley disturbing


is it too late to change my vote?

If it is any consolation, people don't normally get first-day lynched twice in a row. The next game you play should come with a sympathy no-vote for at least the first day.

I certainly hope you sign up for more games in future, it is unfortunate it ended this way :(

I'm not sure it's over yet. Did he have enough votes? This play for sympathy could be strategy for tomorrow.

i think CR is writing "a tale of two cities" :)

8 on the dime i believe RA

Oh, I'm in for the next game. And I'll be so freakin' vocal that you all will lynch me just to shut me up. :D

Trust me, they actually do that...:(

Not a full reveal, just give some info on who you are. The other option is to say alot without saying anything (see blade's posts ;) ).

Fo sho

I feel like a guy on death row waiting for the governor ("guvnor"?) to call.

Oh man, I just looked at who voted for Izulde and how the Jonathan voted came about. I told myself I wouldn't follow Alan's lead and gosh darnit, I did... he was the first person to vote for Jon.

I feel a little dirty. I need to take a bath now.... ugh.

I'm glad to hear that Jon. Once you come to the dark side, there's no going back

Alan is well-known for leading people astray.

Oh man guys. I am SO sorry I missed the vote. We just got Comcast set up about 30 minutes ago and i jumped on cuz i thought maybe the deadline wasn't until 9 central. silly me. It wont happen again, I promise. Starting tomorrow I am going to be talkative as hell... Well as talkative as I usually am.

I forgot that classtime would take me past the voting period and before that I had to read Measure for Measure for class.

I'll be more active tomorrow. :)

Sucks that we got a good guy on Day One though. :(

Yeah, not just a good guy, a poor defenseless orphan.

This is throughly annoying.

Well it's a better outcome than lynching a seer or bodyguard.

Love that there actually were some "hidden" roles in the game. Bummed that we didn't get a hit early. But JE was not one of the players I had information on at this stage in the game. And we also learned that Fagin is almost certainly in the game.

Now that night actions are upon us - I know the identities of three whores in this game. Fouts, feel like sharing which district you were in last night with your hookup? It might help lend further credibility to your story about paying out some cash ...

I'm ambivalent about asking for protection tonight. All in all, I think there are a few people who trust me and a bunch more who have assumed I have a certain role in this game - since no one has come out and said what that role is I won't bother trying to confirm or deny. I do believe that there are likely more critical people around than me to try and keep around. Selfishly, it is a lot of fun playing the game when people tend to trust you so I would like to see this extended for a couple of more days.

back from work!

Whitechapel Road.

I never said Izulde was a whore.

Are you asking who he visited or where the visit took place? We can't be giving up the prostitutes.

Can somebody explain to me exactly what the fog means? And when will we learn about the weather?

aaargh. i had forgotten/overlooked that the night-deadline in this game is 9pm EST. That's pretty killer on me, because anytime i have to work an afternoon-shift I don't even close the doors of the store till 9. But as a compromise...I will be able to come on for a half-hour in the mid-afternoon during my dinner-break and will be able to vote then if someone will be around to like...give me a quick synopsis.

I think it means a lower chance at seeing other people out and about. Luckily, I did my actions on Night 0.

FWIW, I have information on 2 people, one of which was Izulde. The information on Izulde told me that it was unlikely he was a bad guy.

how do you already have information fouts?

I would guess that he already has info based on Night zero.

Well i am trying to be talkative but nobody will join me. Can't blame a girl for trying i guess.

I think a lot of us are waiting to see how the night shakes out, LSG.

Fouts' play was interesting. Either the bad guys are making a bold move or (more likely) Fouts is legit and Izulde is most likely legit. Does anyone see any other possibilities?

What would you like to discuss LSG, im happy to go through whatever you would like to go through

Whoever in their group is the hooker got visited by the other, and the other person could be evil. So 1 could be good, and just wrong about who can visit for some fun

Fouts and Izulde could be freemasons, which means god knows what.

I hadnt thought of that cronin...thats a very interesting possibility for why he already has 2...

Or one of them could be a prostitute and the other just looking for a good time. But is it possible that bad guys can visit whores?

thats a big question we have, and wont know until one is killed and we find out whores were trying to clear him/her

Not really sure if that was a good result or bad? The writeup made it sound like he was a good guy, but he came out and said he was working for Fagan.

And I got some more catching up to do, I just skimmed about 4 pages. I'll post more in a little bit. I'm about to dig into the thread better than I just did.

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I think his working for fagin is being highly over-rated. He was an urchin, and had abilites that went with that. I think fagin is related since he ran the urchins.

Good point as well. Although it still stands to reason that regardless if they're baddies or if they're freemasons, it's a pretty bold move to have Fouts link himself to Izulde. I tend to think that it makes Fouts at least not bad and Izulde most likely not bad.

FWIW

I don't think you can blame an orphan for working for someone that is evil. Orphans are probably just trying to find a quick buck and will get whatever they can wherever they can.

I don't think his working for Fagin means he was totally bad, just a poor desperate soul.

DC, while i understand what your trying to say, he was on the side of good and therefore must have been able to help good. He may have been able to help bad as well, but his alignment makes it certain he could help

Urchins: Orphans aplenty roam the streets of Whitechapel. They have their uses--they are particularly sneaky and get their ears around all sorts of things--but be careful, that waif may have just stolen your wallet.

I took it to mean they were maybe witnessess, or possibly turnacoats..people who were in touch with the criminal underworld, but still good

That's how I see it, as well.

I agree with you here. Urchins have their uses, I would bet.

Just checking in before bed to see how the lynch ended. I'll be on in the morning briefly before I leave the hotel for work. I have a dinner appointment with Cisco vendors tommorrow night, so no telling when I will be in. I'll try to find a way to connect while at work at least long enough to see how the day is going and put out a vote.




You know. I didn't put a gun to your heads and say vote for this guy. If I'm such a horrible person to follow, then stop voting for the people I do. Whatever its worth, the last two games I played and used this strategy on day 1, we got 2 bad guys. (Saldana and Scoobz). Its sheer luck usually on day1 usually, and I very clearly stated why I was voting for who I did.

I'm not sorry about my vote, and am relieved it wasn't an important role for us. I'm pretty sure there are other orphans in the game, and yes the good guys can make use of them as well as the bad apparently.

All of the sobbing and lamenting over Jonathan's death drives me crazy too. Hate to say it.. but its WW.. -someone- has to die at some point. If people didn't have to leave the game, we would call this Picnic 14: Jack the Ripper invites Strawberry Shortcake over for dinner and tea. It stinks when it happens to you, but its not personal and is just part of a game.

Anyways, rant over. I'll be back in the morning.

Sheesh, someone needs to hire a hooker soon. :eek:

BTW, that was a joke Alan, don't get all worked up, k ;)

DC, are you trying to dictate his night actions now? :eek: :eek:

Im really bored now, you all suck for not keeping me entertained all night

On the heels of the rant, I implore you to discern the difference between a whore and a prostitute. While a whore can be a prostitute, all prostitutes aren't whores.

Here's a diagram:

That seems a bit much. Jonathan is a new player so people are sympathizing with his early death and suggesting he come back for the next game. Sorry if we don't want to let a quick death discourage someone.