Vote Fouts

Eh.. I've gotten used to it. I go into every game assuming at some point Blade will come out after me. I think it pained him last game to realize he and I were on the same team early on :)

I'm going with the no show as that is probably the most detrimental thing to the village at this point.

UNVOTE DADDY TORGO

VOTE SCOOBZ

It pained me so badly i guarded 2 of the first 4 nights...i wish i could do it over and never guard you again!! :)

Watch the language. This is a family friendly game.

first of all, there are several characters that are not evil in any way that may not have had dissociative disorders, but were certainly not of sound mind as you and I would view it

secondly and more importantly the bolded part above is absolutley fabricated, or at best a stretch of the imagination....when exactly did smeagol or gollum ever go to the shire....he lived under the mountains for 500 years by himself, and he wasnt originally from the shire either...the only reason he ever came out from under the mountain was because bilbo took the ring from him...

unless you give me some sort of source for this statement, i will be agreeing with blade that you are creating concepts in an effort to make him look bad, and my vote will be for you until a better candidate come along

sure, no problem, sorry about that, is one of the new players younger or something?

What language did he use that was so bad? Just curious, since I have one of the foulest "mouths" I know.

actually, i think that is what i am saying....you are essentially making up facts about canon in an effort to try and convince us that blade is smeagol/gollum....no one that has seen the movie would argue the merits of lynching him....hence, from where i am standing, you ARE trying to get blade lynched today.

I can speak to that directly. Let's just say it was a concern.

I gave a few examples of good people who ended up being corrupted by the ring which led to Dissociative disorders (such as Bilbo or even Frodo), so I don't understand how that is an example of me saying he must be bad. I wouldn't push for Frodo's death would I?

As for Gollumns travels, if you really want, here you go..

After Bilbo stole the ring from Gollum, Gollum searched high and low for "Baggins" Christopher Tolkien wrote that J.R.R's notes had him going from as far as the Dale Lands all the way West to the Shire or even all the way to Emyn Beraid. Gollum was captured by Sauron while in Mordor looking for Baggins, and eventually was released and later captured by Aragorn who found out the story of what Gollum had been up to. Aragorn gave Gollum to Gandalf who then turned him over to the Mirkwood Elves (Amon Thranduil) where he escaped during an Orc-Raid. He immediately took off west again back to the Shire and in particular Bag-End when he met up with the Fellowship ouotside of Khazad-dum and followed them from there. This is the point he joins in the movies.

I'm not sure why you are picking this fight though since I stated in the post that you quoted that in the movie storyline (LotR) he never was in Bree. He definitly went there though prior to the LotR in his searches for Bilbo.

See my below post. HoME series has details of Gollum's travels which are alluded to during LotR by Aragorn and Gandalf. I'm probably showing off how much of a geek I am, but if you want I can take a picture of my bookshelf in my living room. It has 6-7 Tom Clancy novels, 3-4 John Grisham books, various Networking books and about 30-34 J.R.R Tolkien books on it :)

Someone's not here! That must mean they're in league with the Black Riders! Yes, yes, I'll put in for him, too.

*flexes his hairy toes as he puts his card in the box before going to find something good to eat*

VOTE SCOOBZ

This story takes place after frodo comes through town though, a time in which if im not mistaken gollum was a prisoner in mordor.

a source for your information would be nice...as far as why i am picking this fight, i really am not...i am protecting the other players in this game that may not have the background in the story that i and apparently you have from what as far as i am concerned is a fabrication.

perhaps you could explain this....if gollum got all the way to bree, and then went back to the shire after he got away from the elves, how did he never find frodo or bilbo....they were the only bagginses there....also, how in the world did gollum ever meet up with the fellowship as they were about to enter Moria if he went to the shire....it took two weeks to get to moria from Rivendell, and takes about a while to get from Hobbiton to Rivendell... Moria and the Shire are no where near each other....you either have a bad source, or are making stuff up.

alan, i would love to continue this conversation later, but i have to give my two year old dinner... be back in a bit

as a place holder

vote scoobz

Gollum was technically a prisoner in Mirkwood and not Mordor at this time. But thats what I guess I am trying to say. I was giving information based on others in the stories that have the disorder, I don't understand why everyone says I am out to get you all. I actually found it quite intriguing and interesting.

My whole point the entire time is any where in the story when someone ended up with this disorder it was due to the ring's draw. I'm pretty sure this entire discussion is probably pretty boring for 85% of those in the game. I'm just suprised I am getting attacked for trying to give information.

could someone translate the above few posts into non LotR speek? thanks

I would have to find which of the HoME books it was, but if you have them its probably in the master index under Gollum. Its not the first 3-7 as that all is primarily the Lays of Beleriand.

As for Gollum's path, he was heading from Amon Thranduil (Sinda for House of Thranduil) which is located in the Northeast location of Mirkwood forest or near Dale and Erebor. The path he had to take from there to the shite is west through the misty mountains and the underground passages that he knew so well. It was there that he encountered the Fellowship. Christopher's writings stated that he was not expecting to meet them there (he had no knowledge that they would be there), and was headed to the Shire.

I'm not taking sides, but I agree with you. Actually, it doesn't suprise me, since people attack anything, and everything they can in WW.

Watch this:

I LOVE TOM BOMBADIL!!!!!!!!!!!!

My best translation in as unbiased as I can be:

1) People were wondering what Blade was doing with his roleplay talking to himself
2) I gave examples of a Dissociative identity disorder from the books being Smeagol/Gollum.
3) Blade states my linking him to Smeagol will turn people against him and is an effort to try to get him lynched without knowing all of the facts.
4) I stated I wasn't trying to get Blade lynched but instead was trying to be helpful.

(Repeat 3-4 over 20 or so posts)

5) Saldana jumps in and says I'm making up stuff trying to get Blade lynched.
6) I give the explanation in the storyline of what Gollum did, and once again re-state that I was trying to give examples of the disorder as I later also mentioned Bilbo, Frodo, Boromir, Ilsidur all good guys having this disorder in the stories too
7) I tell the path of GOllum's travels and answer Saldana's rebuttle questions


Basically I'll re-state what I have said all along, I found Blade's roleplaying interesting and said what it made me think of. Blade (and to some extent Saldana) jumped out too sensitive for some reason even when I never pushed for any lynch and no one else even came out to try to lynch Blade from any of the explanations.

I have zero idea if anyone in this game even has a character from the books, I know that I dont. I just have no idea why Blade and Saldana are jumping so much so early unless I struck a nerve on something I said unintentionally.

sorry I was being a smart a** should have added a :D

on and schmidty to your comment

you s**k!!! j/k :D

You have said, not once but repeatedly, you believe you know what role i have and it is not on the side of the village. Maybe you meant that to mean something other then im not good, but thats how i take it. That is the kind of comment people get lynched over, whether you meant it or not

i am not attacking you for trying to give information, i am attacking you for trying to give MIS-information


basically, i am saying that Alan is concocting portions of the story of Smeagol/Gollum in an effort to say that is the role that Blade is playing, and subsequently should be lynched, because Gollum is really only on his own side.


alan, i dont have the HoME books....my source is the Tolkein Companion by T.E.A. Tyler, which states the travels of gollum in search of bilbo and the ring carry him from one side of the Wilderland to the other....that would mean he never travels east of the Ford at Rivendell, as that is the defined boundary of Wilderland (the misty mountains and mirkwood make up the majority of the wilderlands)

I only came back and said that after you started saying misrepresentations of what I said. Like I said, when you started making up stuff pushing, it makes me more suspicious of why.

I googled my person's name and nothing came up. so I guess thats means i'm made up.

Rivendell is West of the misty mountains and mirkwood. Bree is also west of Rivendell, and its very obvious that Gollum traveled east of the Ford at Rivendell as he did so even in LotR for most of the story. You also can know that T.E.A. Tyler's information is not entirely complete as he is intimately familiar with the passages inside of Mordor from his time there.

Post #148 is where you start the case about my potential role. I see no posts of mine before that that said i misinterpreted what you said. Unless im missing a post of mine, you started down the road long before i accused you of putting me in a bad light.

I dont have the knowledge about LOTR you do, but that didnt make sense to me. Bree is west of rivendell, which is west of the misty mountains, and the fact gollum went east from rivendell(the opposite direction of bree) makes what point?

Sure, post 148 I even gave a reason that you could be a good guy on our side and why we wouldn't want to lynch you.

I also admit I have been refering to Gollum as an example of this disorder since he is the one most people are familiar with. I later listed several of the others mentioned with it (all of which were good people)

Saldana said his companion that he read stated that Gollum never went east of the Fords of Rivendell, but to me that means their map is messed up, since most of the story happened to the east of Rivendell.

Were not getting anywhere, so im going to cut this short. We both see things very differently, and only time will tell who was right.

Fair enough. :)

i got my easts and wests mixed up in my original post...i meant that the wilderlands western border is the ford (with bree and the shire both being futher west), and according to my book, gollum didnt leave the wilderlands. as far as the map i am using, its the one in the back of the Hobbit, and there is nothing wrong with it, simply my ability to define east versus west.

Phew...my heads spinning from all of this...

Still no check-in, therefore:

Vote Scoobz

there are still some issues i have with some of the things alan is saying, but for now, i would agree that we are probably losing the general populace with our nerdisms, so i will let him go for now, but i will come back around to the problems i have with what he has been saying today later on.

Either way though, that still isn't true. He was captured by Sauron and taken to Mordor while searching for Baggins. That much was detailed in the LotR directly. The full detail of the path you have to rely on Christopher's Tolkien's publishings after J.R.R's death in the HoME series, which some people don't take for canon, but I do.

I still don't understand why we have spent alot of day 1 though. If you truly are into Tolkien's writings and interested in more of this type of thing, I would be more than happy to give you some reccommended good readings after the game. One of my favorite books was called Unfinished Tales which was all a series of stories put out after J.R.R's death from just his notes.

I think for the purpose of the game, What I have said here probably stands.. I did say that Gollum was captured in mirkwood during the time of when we are playing. I also said that I don't even know if real characters are even in this game. I also don't know if the storyline is consistant with the books, or if we're in an alternate reality with just the same setting and characters and rough story line.

The entire time I found it interesting what Blade was roleplaying and stated what it made me think of. If that makes me evil, then I guess so be it. There was no mal-intents there. Just was trying to be helpful. The worst regret I have of this is that Blade probably won't roleplay anymore which I thought helped liven up the mood some. (Similar to how I like playing in games with Qwikshot).

:mad: :mad: :mad:

VOTE Schmidty

;)

UNVOTE Schmidty

:)

If you really have problems, then lets dig into it now on day 1 before we get in deeper. I still am intrigued since I didn't figure people would argue with me posting stuff that Christopher Tolkien wrote, but I guess anything is possible in WW. Its all in HoME #6, 7 or 8, and if you don't believe me then so be it. You can argue things published by Christopher TOlkien aren't canon, or they aren't applicable to the story line, or whatever. But I love Tolkien's writings and spent a good bit of my youth growing up reading and re-reading them to the point of geekism.

I've got a problem with this whole pile on one person thing. We learn more by a two-person race than we do when there's only a single consensus candidate.

I'm fine with lynching Scoobz, but we seriously need to have at least a chance of putting some pressure on the forces of darkness.

VOTE spleen1015

I can forgive Lathum for voting for me...I'm not going to turn around and pile back on him and try to incite that because I don't see any danger yet.

However I think (whoever) it was who said no lynch on day 1 might be a good idea may be right. I figure there's saruman's goons, sauron's goons, villagers, rangers...even if the 3 smaller groups are 2-3 people we're still WAYY against the odds of hitting one of them. Better to give people with special abilities the night to block things or view people rather than a reflective lynch right away on day 1.

just my initial thoughts, as i just got the computer fired up for the day.

that's hot. i'm right there with ya.

And one other comment Saldana, one thing I learned when I used to frequen Tolkien discussion newsgroup is most people have problems agreeing what is and is not canon. I choose to believe that the things in Tolkien's notes that Christopher later published are canon. As Tolkien created a universe, he didn't just write stories and those notes are how they all work together. Others argue that the things Christopher wrote have too much of his opinion in them and they can not be viewed as fact.

Like I said if you want to disagree about what is or isn't canon its fine there is not much I can argue with you on that. I just think you're arguing against something that was never my intent. (To come out and say Blade is bad we must lynch him).

Anyways if you have issues with me, lets hash these out now and get them out of the way.

i'm pretty sure that the pile on scoobz is based on the fact that he isnt actually playing, so we are just cutting the dead weight from the roster....

[quote=Alan T;1296939]If you really have problems, then lets dig into it now on day 1 before we get in deeper. I still am intrigued since I didn't figure people would argue with me posting stuff that Christopher Tolkien wrote, but I guess anything is possible in WW. Its all in HoME #6, 7 or 8, and if you don't believe me then so be it. You can argue things published by Christopher TOlkien aren't canon, or they aren't applicable to the story line, or whatever. But I love Tolkien's writings and spent a good bit of my youth growing up reading and re-reading them to the point of geekism.[/QUOTE]

A point no one is ready to dispute :D

Anxiety - if scoobz doesn't check in today and assuming neuqua doesn't have you put out feelers for subs? just in case anyone wants to move onto someone else.

Wasn't Gollum originally a hobbit? I thought all hobbits came from the the Shire. Not that it really matters in all this.

UNVOTE KWhit
VOTE Scoobz

Not to say that you are not, but I find it interesting that you haven't come out and said that you are on the side of light. Instead you are kind of attacking back at Alan.

Dola...

Unvote ntndeacon

Vote Scoobz

let me know if I have this right

scoobz has 10 votes now as the leader
several others have 1 or 2

with no votes from
Chief Rum
Daddy Torgo
BrianD
Scoobz
Neuqua
and Kwhit

is this what others show?

I voted for Spleen before Alan, Blade and Saldana went on their tangent.

dola,

Post 182

He was originally a hobbit, however in his time there were hobbit populations that lived East of the misty mountains and west of Mirkwood (Gladden Fields). This is where Smeagol was originally from, along the Anduin river. He was not born and raised in the Shire like the Hobbits from the stories.

A Hobbit of Stoor-kind who lived on the banks of the Anduin in the later Third Age. His friend Déagol came upon the One Ring, but Sméagol murdered Déagol and took the Ring. He was eventually exiled by his people, and crept into the roots of the Misty Mountains, where he became the creature of the dark better known as Gollum.

oh man my vote tally is way off.

I went off someone's in post 202 and went from there...hold on a sec and I'll have a better one in a bit

geez, what a day 1

and for those wondering about "stoor-kind"

One of the three ancient hobbit-kinds, the broadest and heaviest in build. They were the last of three branches of the hobbits to cross the Misty Mountains into Eriador.



the other two types were fallohides and harfoots, with harfoots being the ancestors of third-age hobbits




*cough* thanks Encyclopedia of Arda...best 70 bucks I've ever spent *cough*

VOTE NEUQUA

not convinced that we actually want to lynch one of the ones who hasn't checked in yet so i'll put in this placeholder vote for now, but if someone can convince me that Scoobz deserves to go for a reason other than whittling down numbers (and why would we want to lynch one of our own just for being quiet, with the odds against it being an evil) then go right ahead.

okay no votes from
Daddy Torgo
Scoobz
Neuqua
Kwhit

scoobz has 10 - SnDvls, AlanT,LSG,Fouts,Gram,Izuldu,Saldana,Sublime2, Jonathan, Swaggs

I'm working on the vote/unvote table now unless someone else has one quicker or handy.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't know he's playing. he's posted once in here and it really isn't a "put me in I want to play" post.
it's a question and then the responses are you are in or you should join.

dola - not telling/pushing you to vote him either as I'm more than happy to have a replacement player take his spot tomorrow too.

Well its one thing to be quiet and another to not even show up.

On day1 accomplishing a few things is good for us:

1) Nail a bad guy (unlikely due to odds)
2) Have some voting pattern to look on for future days from the lynch
3) Try to not lynch someone that will be crucial to our win (ie: seer)

My arguement with lynching someone who has not checked in is that they still have the same bad odds of not being a bad guy, but at least we'll be lynching someone who isn't going to contribute anyways. If they are a good guy, they won't be night killed so will be dead weight the entire game for us.

The only bad thing with a pile on vote is that it does not provide us any voting patterns for future days and provides an easy out for bad guys to just throw a vote onto.

double dola - you do know you are voting for someone who hasn't check in though right?

sorry SnDvls but you can add me to the list of those who have voted.

Like I've said, I fail to see the value in axeing someone for not participating completely, when the odds are just as good that it's someone good, as everyone is aware of the "evil likes to stay quiet" play by now...when someone hasn't checked in AT ALL it's just as likely that they're good but havn't realized we've started or been pulled away for something.

I doubt Neuqua is evil either, as he has a post in GD stating that his grandfather is seriously ill and in the hospital, so my vote for him is more of a vote AGAINST lynching Scoobz and putting a vote onto someone who isn't even close to the rope.

this post is the definition of irony....

I'd really say not to vote Nequea, DaddyTorgo. As others have pointed out, given the RL situation he's had come up, it's really wrong.

If you're going to vote a no-show, vote Scoobz.

I have a feeling that you just skimmed the day 1 posts :)

as I've said...I don't want to go on the "didn't vote...bad bad person" list, so I'm voting for someone, but i'm voting for someone who is 9 votes away from even being TIED for the lead. basically it seems like scoobz needs 3 more votes to get lynched and I have no intention of being one of those 3 votes, but i also don't want to get the rap of "not voting" so I'm doing the "random day 1 vote" thing.

Daddy - go back and start reading at post #205...read that page

as a matter of fact that's true. what's the feeling behind voting scoobz as a no-show?

shouldn't we pick an active participant and wait for anxiety to pick replacements for the no-shows?


fine.

UNVOTE NEUQUA

Go back and read my link to wiki. It explains the basic mechanic of lynching and how "no-lynch" or "no-kill" is bad for the village.

willdo

OOC: gotta give the little one a bath hopefully I'll be back on, but who knows.

so basically scoobz cuz nequea is having a RL emergency and of the 3 he's the one you know least about?

What do you have to tell you that an active participant is any more or less likely to be a bad guy than an inactive participant?

The benefit in my mind of voting off inactive participants at the beginning is that an active bad guy will leave some voting trail and discussion trail to use later in the game. An active good guy will help participate in discussion, try to find bad guys and keep up with the game.

When there isn't anything else to go on, I'd rather vote off the dead wood or look for people who are UtR.

unvote gram
vote scoobz

now read post #268

there's statistically nothing to say that active vs. inactive has anything to do with good vs. bad, that's true. But with guys like the 3 who havn't checked in, wouldn't it make more sense to wait for replacements who might actually leave a trail and focus on day 1 discussion or whatever?

for reference here's his one and only post

okay now it's really bath time

If we vote off someone that likely isn't even playing it basically means we dont lynch anyone who is going to hurt us, and we still have the same statistical possibility of getting a bad guy (as poor as it is). Like I said I would rather vote for a known bad guy if you know one. Since I don't personally know of any right now, I will just vote for the dead wood.

alright. thanks for the summarizing guys. hopefully tomorrow with the day off I'll be able to keep up and provide the same type of summarizing for people who were working and all.

alright I can see the "he may not have really signed up or realized he signed up" argument. And it would give us one confirmed...something.

VOTE SCOOBZ0202

unvote spleen

vote scoobz

not sure if we already have 13 but I'll vote to be sure

I find it very odd that Blade and Saldana are attacking AlanT for pointing out that Blade's ramblings are reminicent of Gollum. Sheesh! We're all thinking it.

Having said that, though, it looks like it's gonna be scoobz in a runaway - which means he's probably a good guy. Ah well, better to lynch someone who's not really taking part in the discussion.

Vote Scoobz

Hence, me having no problem with actually lynching the guy. What I have a big problem with is the lack of a second candidate drawing any votes -- many times, the second candidate is just another average person so we don't learn anything anyway, but if there is no second candidate we have a 0% chance of actually learning anything from this lynch.

No, the hobbits originally came from farther east. The Shire Reckoning begins somewhere around the 1400's of the third age.

In fact, the Breeland hobbits are not from the Shire, rather they're settlers that never made it all the way west during the migration.

To make sure we have the numbers:

Unvote Spleen
Vote Scoobz

one good thing is hopefully our seer (not me this game so don't go killing me bad guys :) ) assuming we have one, which I'm sure we do will get a look at someone tonight.

there is always the no lynch option today since people feel we won't gather any info. and give Anxiety a chance to find a replacement and the new person a chance to jump in...right now a new player really won't have to read 6 pages to catch up just the writeup by Anxiety tonight and tomorrow.

we have 15 now

FYI

We may yet gather info from today's kill. We probably won't in the next day or two, but eventually we may find something coming out of today.

Since we need to kill someone today for no good reason, might as well make it somebody that prevents us from having to find a replacement.

i never said didnt find his ramblings reminscent of gollum....of course i did....what i had a problem with was Alan presenting as fact that his ramblings mean he IS Gollum, since as far as my knowledge of this world goes, Gollum was never anywhere near the shire in the past, and since we have a period when this game is taking place, i know gollum is no where near bree.

let me state for the record that i am not saying blade is necessarily a good guy...i am simply stating that in my opinion, there is no way he is the character of gollum.

as far as alan goes, i am not saying he is bad, but i do have a problem with some of the information he was giving out as facts today.

Its like you only read half of my posts. The same half that Blade read. I also equated the disorder to similar to the characters Boromir, Frodo, Bilbo, Ilsidur all showed symptoms of it at time, all directly due to the ring's influences.

Its pretty interesting how you take one tiny part of the information and then try to distort it all and make a huge overblown deal out of it all. I've stated for the record that I don't even know if Gollum is in this game, or if a character similar to him is in this game. You however have chosen to ignore that. You also ignored the part where I said in the story timeline Gollum couldn't be in Bree at this time. You have however tried to take what I have said and try to make me sound like I am leading a lynch mob for Blade here.

It sounds and feels like a pretty wolfish thing to do in my opinion, and pretty unlike you for day 1.

Thanks to everyone with the info regarding Hobbit history. Goes to show how little Middle Earth history I know.

deadline

Counting votes now. Post to come shortly.

As the sun marches across the sky, your discussion begins to center on the people who are not present. After all, if they cannot even show to demonstrate their innocence, haw can you not vote for them?

The grim task is decided, and Scoobz is the voted candidate. After receiving a majority of the votes, it is time to follow through with your decision.

This is where your assembled party falters. It is one thing to discuss the death of one of your own in the abstract, but it is quite another to carry it through. To actually kill someone for nothing other than suspicion? Can you bring yourself to do it?

Your pair off into groups and begin to scour the town for Scoobz. After a while, you find him meditating beside a reflective pool. Lilies of silver and purple frame his body as he breathes in regular, controlled breaths that seem to inflate and deflate his body.

You hesitate again. Is this the face of darkness? A person in calm solace? After all Bree has been through, can you hold it against this man that he chose to eschew your heavy task?

Scoobz speaks. He voice begins as if far away, but as he talks, gets closer and closer to actually being in his body. “Have you come so soon? I expected you later.” He opens his eyes and stares at you. “I will come willingly, though you know not what you do.”

With dignity, he arises. He scoffs at your attempts to bind him, and his look keeps you from wrapping his hands or feet. He walks with a triumphant gait. He takes his time, which you can certainly understand. After all, he has but a few minutes to live.

A hastily assembled gallows has been erected in the center of town, and all of the people have gathered around. As you begin to lead Scoobz to the gallows, he stops. “No, if you are to kill me, then allow me the dignity of dying as a man, not as a criminal.”

All of you are, at first, confused by his words, and one of you pushes Scoobz towards the gallows more forcefully. Scoobz responds, “Fine then, I will force your hand.”

With a quick dash, he grabs the sword off one of your belts. He brandishes it. It’s obvious that he’s never wielded a weapon before. Several of you react quickly, moving to strike with your own weapons. He never tries to defend himself, and never attacks. He allows several of you to cut him down, with multiple lethal wounds. His blood wets the ground in a sticky pool that seems to grow more quickly than you thought possible.

A smile is on his lips.

The act you have performed weighs heavily upon your shoulders. A few of you leave to discharge your dinner into various bushes. The group of you goes to Scoobz’s house, to find out what you can. Once there, you remember that he was one of your devout, saying regular prayers to Iluvatar.

However, you also discover works of sorcery and darkness. He was not just a normal townsfolk, but he was one of those fallen into shadow. However, you find nothing to connect him with any dark lord, such as Sauron.

You retire for the night, with victory lightening your stride.


Night has fallen. Night One has begun. All Night Actions are to be pm’ed to me by 3:30 am EST Tuesday Morning.



-Anxiety

gram - votes - ( daddy torgo ) - ( 124 ) - 1
chief rum - votes - ( spleen ) - ( 126 ) - 1
st. c - votes - ( sndvls ) - ( 128 ) - 1
Tyrith - votes - ( Kwhit ) - ( 132 ) - 1
ntn - votes - ( swaggs ) - ( 173 ) - 1
lathum - votes - ( daddy torgo ) - ( 179 ) - 2
spleen - votes - ( neuqua ) - ( 180 ) - 1
briand - votes - ( spleen ) - ( 182 ) - 2
swaggs - votes - ( ntn ) - ( 184 ) - 1
sndvls - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 217 ) - 1
fouts - votes - ( Kwhit ) - ( 220 ) - 2
jonathan e - votes - ( Kwhit ) - ( 230 ) - 3
blade - votes - ( alanT ) - ( 233 ) - 1
alant - votes - ( neuqua ) - ( 248 ) - 2
lathum - unvotes - ( daddy torgo ) - ( 252 ) x - 1
lathum - votes - ( spleen ) - ( 252 ) - 3
thomkal - votes - ( gram ) - ( 254 ) - 1
mr. w - votes - ( neuqua ) - ( 255 ) - 3
mr. w - unvotes - ( neuqua ) - ( 259 ) x - 2
alant - unvotes - ( neuqua ) - ( 273 ) x - 1
alant - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 273 ) - 2
lsg - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 282 ) - 3
fouts - unvotes - ( Kwhit ) - ( 296 ) x - 2
fouts - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 296 ) - 4
schmidty - votes - ( fouts ) - ( 301 ) - 1
gram - unvotes - ( daddy torgo ) - ( 303 ) x - 0
gram - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 303 ) - 5
izuldu - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 313 ) - 6
saldana - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 316 ) - 7
sublime2 - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 335 ) - 8
mr. w - votes - ( schmidty ) - ( 338 ) - 1
mr. w - unvotes - ( schmidty ) - ( 339 ) x - 0
mr. w - votes - ( spleen ) - ( 341 ) - 4
jonathan e - unvotes - ( Kwhit ) - ( 348 ) x - 1
jonathan e - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 348 ) - 9
swaggs - unvotes - ( ntn ) - ( 350 ) x - 0
swaggs - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 350 ) - 10
daddy torgo - votes - ( neuqua ) - ( 359 ) - 2
daddy torgo - unvotes - ( neuqua ) - ( 371 ) x - 1
thomkal - unvotes - ( gram ) - ( 377 ) x - 0
thomkal - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 377 ) - 11
daddy torgo - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 383 ) - 12
lathum - unvotes - ( spleen ) - ( 384 ) x - 3
lathum - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 384 ) - 13
kwhit - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 385 ) - 14
briand - unvotes - ( spleen ) - ( 388 ) x - 2
briand - votes - ( scobbz ) - ( 388 ) - 15

hell of a lucky first lynch...sucks for the bad guys :)

Does that mean he was one of Saruman's?