Me too. Maybe we'll see Episodes 0.25, 0.5, and 0.75? ;)

I enjoyed this one much more than the first two. Not on par with the original trilogy, but it helped the series ride off into the sunset with dignity. I think Obi Wan turned in the best performance by far or any of the characters.

:rolleyes:


Crim

As said, droids are not all that rare in the Star Wars universe.

History is full of leaders of countries trying to destroy a rebellion turning near-dictatorial. "Senators" would rather feel safe rather than having their liberty. In fact it reminded me, somewhat, of Oliver Cromwell. And after having a scarred face and saying the Jedi tried to kill him, he got the Senate 'moderates' to rally around their leader.

Anakin has been turning since AotC. And that "What did I just do" was help kill a Jedi Master. There isn't much else you can do after that. Also he comes to the realization that Palpatine was right... the Jedi were after power, because Windu is willing to violate Jedi Code so easily by striking down an unarmed Palpatine. Add to that fact that Windu treated Anakin with no respect after Anakin brought the news to him, while Palpatine has been Anakin's closest friend (after Obi-Wan), and there you fgo. And once you start to turn to the Dark Side... it's hard to get out.

Out of what character? At that time he wasn't the cold, devoid of feeling Vader of Ep.4. It was the loss of Padme and the fact that he did it that turned him into that Vader.

Personally my problem wasn't so much that it was out of character, although it did make him look like a wuss. It was the whole Frankenvader thing, and the way he said it..it was horrible all around, painful. The one thing it lacked was him shaking his fist in the air. That would've been the icing on the cake.

I once again reiterate

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I still giggle.

::shrug:: That's something I didn't mind at all. I thought it was pretty cool how his anger smashed everything in the room. His Nooo didn't even bother me that much. I heard about it before, prepared for the worst, but no big deal.

I just saw this tonight. I don't have anything of value to add, as I agree with most of what's been said (best of the new trilogy, not as good as 4 or 5, etc), so instead I'll make two completely worthless comments.

The opening combat scene with the ship crashing almost had me in tears. Don't get me wrong, it was well done, but two parody moments came to mind.

First, "the escape pods are all gone," obviously brought Spaceballs to mind. I thought Obi-Wan would find an empty escape pod only for it to be occupied by an angry Wookie.

Second, when the ship went down, I thought of Airplane. I was waiting for Palpatine to come into the room and say "I just want to wish you both good luck, we're all counting on you."

Not to mention a couple of "shit! I hate it when I get my schwartz twisted!" moments.

I'll never forgive Mel Brooks for not releasing a "remastered" version of Spaceballs when Lucas revived Star Wars.

Well, it's a ridiculout way for Vader to go out. I mean, how in the fuck does that make it past editing?

Tossing my 2 cents in way late...

I loved the movie. It was dark, tragic, and watching the way Palpatine manipulated the hell out of a tormented Anakin was awesome. I thought it was handled perfectly. IMO, as a Vader fan first and SW fan second, it's the 2nd best of the 6 movies.

Of course, I'm probably also the only SW fan not on the ESB bandwagon (it's 3rd best), but whatever. When I saw RoTJ as a kid, it became my favorite and still is. It had Jabba and the Rancor monster, Leia in a bikini (hey, I was like 7), that great operatic score during the final lightsaber battle, and the single best moment of any of the films - Vader turning back to the light and tossing the Emperor like a bag of rags. That scene still gives me chills.

Likewise, watching the torment of his fall was equally as enthralling. Much better than I expected, and classic Star Wars. Oh, and Yoda crawling through that air duct? LMAO...great stuff.

You know, talking to my boss at work, he added to the whole Sideous being able to keep people alive with force argument.

I saw it, but didn't think anything about it. When Anakin was about to be placed into his Vader outfit, my boss said Sideous put his hand on Anakin's chest, and to him he thought he was keeping him alive using the force. Which would explain the "if we work together" part of Sideous's comment. Knowing he can see the future quite a ways ahead, he might have been saying that, knowing Anakin would think it would imply "together" meaning to save Padme.

Just another 2 cents on that one. I'll have to see it again to have any real imput on it.

RotJ had so much potential and probably would have been much better if they were able to do Wookees instead of Ewoks, but the only thing about the furry midgets defeating the empire with sticks and rocks kind of ruins it for me.

Um, why wouldn't it? Anakin is upset that Padme was dead and he is the one who caused it. People seem to talk about how Anakin was all whiney and angsty and crap and then think that within 10 minutes of putting on Vader's suit, he's not those things anymore? What the fuck?

The transformation of the cold, uncaring Vader takes time. It doesn't happen because he has a black helmet!

You're defending the "Nooooo!"? Jesus, man, next thing you'll be waxing poetically about Anakin's beautiful and moving sand metaphor in EP II and how that whole "I love you! No! I love YOU more! NO! I LOVE YOU MORE!" scene was powerful and deeply romantic. You have no shame! You're such a Prequel Apologist. :D

:)

Just saw this. I'm sure this isn't anything new, but IMHO the best of the new trilogy, but still far too many awful lines delivered by wooden actors. This was particularly noticeable during the first hour (with some more awful awkward anaken-padame love talk ... damn, is Lucas a virgin or what?). I didn't notice it as much towards the end, well up until the 'you can't beat me, I have the high ground' and the NOOOOO crap, where I almost lost my popcorn laughing. I remember thinking towards the end how much better the movie was when they just focused on anguished faces to communicate emotion and not add the lousy dialogue.

Thought the ending was rushed - like they tried to tie up too much up quickly (random stuff like Yoda saying I've failed I must go into exile ... just to tie it up, without really delving on why he needed to go into exile vs. trying to find any remaing Jedi and round them up or finding/training some younglings) . Like someone said, they should've cut out half the first episode and expanded this one.

Also, it was clear from the first of the new trilogy that Lucas fell in love with CGI at the cost of plot/characters. But I was annoyed in this one more than the others with how Lucas felt the need to include some damn annoying droid in practically every single shot ... often playing the humorous part. Some stupid CGI droid running around just isn't funny/interesting to me. I really lost it during the infamous lava surfing scene where the intense scene is broken up by Anakin riding on ... yes, a droid.

I'm not sure about the others, but we know that Portman is a decent actor so just how bad a director is Lucas that he makes her look awful? I heard an interesing question on the radio ... were Fisher, Hammill, and Ford that great of actors that they overcame Lucas's poor writing/directing ... or has Lucas just completely lost his focus (in favor of CGI)?

Summing it up: Better than I thought it would be (after the last two) ... still disappointing.

I agree completely.

Don't forget that he just absolutely could not go an entire movie without at least one cameo by Jar-Jar. Couldn't he have used those 5 seconds to avoid rushing the other bits?

And you're just a hater :p. I didn't find anything wrong with the "Noooo!". It seems like something Anakin would do... though with pre-burn Anakin, it'd sound more like a scream.


Well, we also know, now, that Portman hates Star Wars and doesn't care about the movies at all (according to what she has said about them). There is a good chance that she may have been mailing in her performances.

Can you ever find it in your heart to forgive him?

Revenge of the Schtick



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Everyone complains about the bad dialogue, as if that's something new in a Star Wars movie. The dialogue has always been bad. Need I mention Leia's "nerfherder" line during the romance scenes of ESB or the "power converter" whine of ANH? I'm not defending the dialogue of the prequels, but let's not pretend the original trilogy were shining examples either :) The dialogue was always laughable and pulp. It was the story, characters, and the SW universe that gave the movies their magic, imo.

I would have loved it if Anakin asked Palpatine about Padme BEFORE the suit was put on. And then give out a blood curdling scream using Hayden's voice, instead of the laghuably soulless James Earl Jones Vader Voicebox 2000.

The NOOOOO simply didn't have any emotional effect that one would get had a broken, bleeding and smoking Hayden Christiansen screamed it out in pain and anguish.

It's those little things that could've been done better that would've made this move less disappointing.

I was actually thinking that the Nooooooo! would sound better with Hayden in the suit somehow overcoming the voicebox and sounding like himself. Like a hearing the man inside the machine thing.

Deleted scenes/pictures from Episode III.

I guess GL thought this was pointless in regards to the plot.

Actually those probably would have enhanced his plot ... he just had to cut them because they didn't have any cute droids in them. :p

While the dialogue in the Original Trilogy wasn't Shakespeare or even Tarantino or even Kevin Smithlike it was still infinitely better than almost anything we saw in these last three. There was really nothing as cringe-worthy, whince-inducing, or groan-causing in the first three the likes of which we saw in these last three. There are, in fact, classic bits of well-written dialogue: Han and Leia on Hoth "I don't have time to discuss this with a committee. I am not a committee!", Han talking to the Imperial dude in the Death Star "Uh, everything's fine down here. We're fine. Uh, how are you?", etc., etc.

Come on, Thul. Do not let Darth Isquiddious turn you to the Dark Side as well. :D

That was actually Harrison Ford, not GL - Ford intentionally never learned his line for that scene so that Han's "improv" would sound real.

FWIW, the "I know" answer to Leia's "I love you" in Empire was also all Harrison Ford. The actual line was supposed to be "I love you too".

That's good to know. Though GL didn't even write Empire or Jedi. While it was Ford's improv genius that came up with those lines it still doesn't change the fact that the dialogue actually spoken on screen in the first three was infinitely better than the last three. Too bad Hadyn Christenthingy, Portman, or even McGregor didn't have the nuts or talent or whatever to improv some of their lines. Oy vey!

I thought Christensen and McGregor did a good job of acting, despite which this prequel trilogy is an enormous travesty.

I think McGregor did quite a nice job. I mean he was basically given a big pile of shit to work with dialogue was and he basically made it a much smaller pile. Thinking back on the prequels, which isn't easy, I think I was most impressed with Liam Neeson actually. I kind of dug Qui Gon.

The amazing thing about McGregor is that he exactly mimicked Alec Guiness' speech patterns. Just technically speaking, an amazing job. I almost think computers were involved somehow.

I thought the star of the first three was Ian McDiarmid. His subtle manipulations throughout the prequels, and his fullblown evil in Ep3, were wonderful. McGregor really turned it on in Ep3 (or was allowed to).

And I agree with Celeval. SW fans should thank their lucky stars for Harrison Ford. For a carpenter, the man had acting charisma :)

I wonder if they Lucas or whoever controls the movie rights I guess Lucas and make episodes 7-9.I remember he said he pretty much wrote them? I also, heard Lucas said if he made anothe rfilm in Starw ars it would be like 800 years befroe menace with yoda as amain character

I thought I read somewhere while the first one was being made (Episode 1) that he will not do episodes 7-9. I read somewhere more recent that it depended on how well Episode 3 did in the theaters.

He has said that, but he has also said he hasn't, and he's said he has no intention of making them. I think he will, though.

As someone who has never read the books, what do episodes 7-9 entail?

stuff

Wiseass.

Yeah, Lucas has said vastly different things depending on the time when he was interviewed. I think originally he did plan on it being a 9-volume installment, but more recently he's gone on record saying that ROTJ is absolutely the end of the story.

Of course, there is wide speculation that somebody may come along, with Lucas' blessing of course, and turn some of the EU books into movies. It has to be awfully tempting since you can just slap the Star Wars name on a movie and pretty much guarantee a $300MM domestic box office.

No idea. I read the Timothy Zhan books which, I think, for a while were seens as Eps. 7-9 or at least they were post-Jedi stories with Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, etc., but I don't think they are the "official" Eps. 7-9, whatever the hell that means.

I just don't see Lucas using the Zahn books for the next 3 if he makes them, and I wish he would. They're a lot better than anything he's going to come up with. It also has quite a bit different feel than the movies, so I'm not sure how well it'd pan out. I think some of the movie fanboys would get upset.

I don't think there's any doubt there will be more, it's just a matter of when.

And to add on to the other point, I also think McGregor did quite a job, the only times he looked bad were with lines NO ONE could've looked good using. Christenson on the other hand could've looked bad with any lines in my opinion. If you consider him to have done a good job, I shudder to think on what you consider bad acting. ;)

I think Lucas is just waiting on 7-9 until the point where computer graphics are lifelike enough he can recreate Mark Hammill, Carrie Fischer, and Harrison Ford (and some cute droids) in CGI. Then he can realize his ultimate dream of a completely CGI starwars.

There was an article in the local paper (the oregonian) where they talked about the potential for episodes 7 through 9. Lucas said there never was an episode 7 through 9 and where the idea came from is that way back when, the star wars producers (including lucas) said that they had enough of a story to do nine episodes (or even 12). They went on to say that Lucas chopped it off with return of the jedi. Apparently, the original story created by lucas was very different from Return of the Jedi seen in theaters. The original story did not include a second death star, it did not include ewoks, han Solo dies, Princess Leia leaves to lead the remaining Alderaan citizens, and Luke does not face the emperor until he is an old man, and after he has many more adventures (presumably making up episodes 7 and 8).

I also recall that at one point, Luke was rumored to turn to the darkside in 7-9, only to be brought back by leah. But that would entail an entirely different ROTJ.

At this point, it's been long enough that a 7-9 series involving the original actors could almost work as they'd be the right ages to play themselves 25 years older, because, well, they are 25 years older. Unfortunately, I think that would rule out the Zahn books since those are generally set in the few years after ROTJ. If the EU characters were used, then the Solo kids under the tutilage of a middle-aged Master Skywalker would be closer to where the actors are age-wise.

I have seen some basic plot outlines that have Lucas's name attached to them around on the internet. I seriously doubt they are real, but I read through episode 7. It basically involved clones of Darth Vader and Luke. Like I said, they are probably fake, but if anyone is interested you could search Episode VII the fallen hero and probably find them.

Like here

There are some EU stories about that. Basically, the Emperor comes back in a clone's body and Luke goes over to the dark side to defeat him. Either Leia or Mara Jade save him, etc.

I'm not sure if Mark Hamill or Carrie Fisher have exactly held up enough to be the stars of another Star Wars movie.

Yep, supershadow. BS artist extraordanaire.

He paints pictures of Bullshit too?

Wait... that's an example of GOOD dialogue?

That whole exchange is classic. Good dialogue. Great acting. Your mind is too clouded by the Dark Side. You've gone mad.

The original three's dialogue is cringeworthy. You're viewing them with rose tinted glasses.

The charisma between the cast is miles better (in most cases) than the new ones, the ambience and atmosphere is more upbeat and gung ho which may be a good thing but the dialogue is largely as pish as the new ones.

I mean seriously!

Plus Yoda is a total dufus in the swamp.

Re-watching the original trilogy after YEARS I was taken aback and thinking "wtf?" when I saw yoda hitting Luke's radio.

Cheesy shit man. I enjoyed the movies but this semi-religous reverence they are held in is bizzarre. Yoda can do no wrong!!!! dudes!. yoda == jar jar (without the annoying speech)

The caveat ALONE makes Yoda about a million times better...

Yeah, i always fast forward through the Yoda scenes in ESB.

Not that your post was really going anywhere, but you totally lost it with this last bit here. Shameful, dude. Shame. ful. Not even Darth Isquiddious himself would make such a bold, ridiculous claim.

ps Just say no, dude.

I felt Qui Gon was probably the most believable and well-acted character in the new trilogy. There are some good moments in Episode 1. I cannot say the same for Episode II.

But seeing Alderaan after all those years brought tears to peoples eyes. Oh and Isaw older men crying during the intro scene. Is Star Wars that mych influence in people's lives. I was expecting somepne to bring an urn of their dad/ significant other to the showing.

I'll grant you that Yoda does have some badass moments and Jar Jar is just annoying throughout - but the Yoda eating sausages and hitting radio moments are up there with the worst moments in any of the films. :-)

Come now. Yoda is just playin' the fool to see if Luke has the stuff. Jar Jar simply is a fool. It's all good times down on Degobah. I like when he's rummaging around Luke's stuff, eating his food and all that. Then he just turns on his bad-assness when the gig is up. That freakin' puppet showed more depth of character than all those CGI goofballs combined!

I think after 19 years alone in a swamp your allowed to be a little eccentric.

I guess if I've needed a reason to discount anything you say in the future, this would be it.

This would be one of those examples of unexplained reverence for the original films... kind of like the Jedi in the prequals, these people are oblivious to reality :p

I disagree. That scene is real comedy.

A smuggler becoming a bumbling idiot under pressure while trying to impersonate an imperial guard is funny. Jar-Jar stepping in shit and saying "Icky-Icky Poo" is not.

The original trilogy don't necessarilly deserve writing awards (although I think ESB is as perfect a movie as I've ever seen), but the original trilogy are clearly worlds better than the newer films. there is simply no heart in the new movies at all.

Oh, and despite being a huge fan of the original tirlogy (although I think Jedi is a pretty so-so film on it's own), i've always thought Yoda was overrated.

Also, it's hard to see him as anything but senile when watching Empire Strikes Back these days.

Um... Han Solo was in the Imperial Academy. He should know how to impersonate an imperial guard. And even if he wasn't, that level of bumbling makes one wonder how he's been able to be a good smuggler at all.


I disagree. I think the original trilogy as NOT worlds better than "Revenge of the Sith". In fact, I'd say RotS is right up there with them. None of them should win any filmmaking awards though (unless if you consider special effects a filmmaking award).

Honestly, you're micro-analyizing that more than the worst of us nerds.

1. We have no idea if Solo is a good smuggler. We've only heard his boasts and have verification (via Greedo) that he's fucked up a prior smuggling job and owes Jabba some serious dough.

2. I don't believe the fact that he was in the Academy is referenced at all in that movie. Therefore, IMHO, it's inadmissable evidence. Lucas was making this shit up as he went along, and I'm sure he only made that up after the fact.


ROTS can maybe fight ROJ for 3rd best movie, but A New Hope and ESB are certainly quite a bit better than any of the new films.

He's survived for that long, meaning that he was a good smuggler. He dropped his smuggled goods last time because an Imperial crusier wanted to board him.

Secondly, it's utterly silly and I don't think anyone would screw up that badly. "How are you", I mean really, WTF?


I put RotS over ANH. It's my 2nd best movie of the series. I agree with the NY Times reviewer, it's better than the 1st one. ANH is a far cry from ESB.

I thought RotS was pretty good. A New Hope was way way better, though. Also that Han Solo line was hilarious. You really can't try to use Harrison Ford as an example that the acting or dialogue in the original trilogy was bad as he was practically the only one who managed to be witty part of the time. It wasn't the best dialogue ever written, to be sure, but some of the shit in sith was among the worst I've ever seen. Usually when people say something made them cringe they don't mean it literally, but RotS provided a couple of exceptions to that rule.

I really don't think ANH was "way way way better" or even close to being better. I put my DVD in a few hours after I saw RotS. I enjoyed RotS more.

Sure, the line is funny, but because it's kinda dumb.

If I recall you also thought that "Dumb & Dumber" was infinitely funnier than "Office Space" in that poll a few months back. This would explain why wouldn't find that small, human moment of comedy to be dumb, while I am sure you find a CGI Gungan stepping in CGI poop or CGI droids slipping and stumbling around on CGI oil simply the height of hi-larity.

I must admit, Darth Isquiddious I under estimated the power of the Dark Side. It is strong in you. :D

Anybody who thinks Revenge of the Sith compares favorably to even Return of the Jedi clearly has no taste. Probably also the sort of person who would drink Miller Lite, or enjoy eating at the Olive Garden.

C'mon guys, that's hittin low :D

none of the movies are very good, and the new ones are worse because it was just lucas trying to cash in on the franchise. I don't know what people were expecting.

Dumb and Dumber :b:. Anyone who doesn't consider that movie to be comedic gold has no sense of humor at all. Office Space is one of the most overrated movies of all time.

"Human moments of comedy" have to be believable in the middle of a drama movie. Being utterly stupid doesn't work for a character who isn't portrayed as such. Now, a character like Delmar in "O'Brother Where Are Thou" (a great comedic movie) could make such a dumb statement and it works because of his lack of education. For Han Solo, it's idiotic.

When 900 years old you are, think so good you will not.

I don't see what the problem was with Yoda's actions when he first met Luke. He obviously was behaving that way on purpose, and to me it was quite striking to see him turn from 'silly Yoda' into 'stern Yoda' and morph back into his real character.

Ah, I'm glad to see we disagree. I may not drink Miller Light (pisswater) or eat at the Olive Garden (blech!), but I just got home after seeing Sith. I liked it more than Jedi. It's a great popcorn movie.

The frickin' teddy bears...er, excuse me, Ewoks...are just horrible. The battle between Vader and Luke is great, as is the Emperor. But many other scenes are flat or unexciting. At first blush, I like Sith better - the Jedi death scenes were awesome, as were the final battles (Yoda/Emperor, Obi Wan/Vader). Grevious was a bit of a puss, but I found the acting to be more than tolerable.

1. ESB (Empire, best of the bunch)
2. ANH (The original is still awesome)
3. RotS (Sith is entertaining but has a poorly acted love story)
4. RotJ (Jedi is as well, but Ewoks are worse than a poorly acted love story)
5. AotC (Clones, really not a horrid movie, just some horrid lines)
6. TPM (God-awful except for Darth Maul)

Why is Empire everyone's favorite? It was always my least favorite growing up (I like them all pretty much the same now), and it's the middle part of the trilogy so there isn't really a beginning and there isn't really an end.

Agreed. Admittedly I was young when I first saw it, but I thought it was too drawn out. It had its moments, but they could have cut 30 minutes out of it and I don't think I would have missed a thing.

Anybody who puts Revenge of the Sith anywhere close to the original trilogy is simply insane. The correct order is

1. Empire
2,3. Star Wars/Return of the Jedi (tie)





4, 5, 6. Episodes 1, 2, 3 (tie)

I say you are insane.

"Empire" had the better ending. I mean, Luke gets his hand cut off, finds out Vader's his father, Han gets frozen and taken away by Boba Fett. It ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is, a series of down endings. All "Jedi" had was a bunch of Muppets.

It's the best movie, that's why.

I'm a die hard SW fan, have been since my childhood, and I tell you : Revenge of the Sith ranks right up there.
If it's not #1, it's #2 in my books.

There is no more "two trilogies" thing, RoTs is so well conceived that the saga is now complete and is one big six-chapter film. bar none.

You have it pretty close. Revenge of the Sith is better than the first 2 episodes, but not even close to any of the original ones.
1. Empire
2, A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
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It really doesn't matter the first two sucked.

You are wise, young padawan.

That is the only correct way to rank these movies.

On the other hand I would rank them

1. A New Hope
2. Empire
3. Jedi
4. Sith
5. Clones
6. Phantom Menace

Ok, I suppose I find that acceptable. 3-6 are locked in place. I can understand how people can make ANH or ESB #1. I give you an A-.

While I may not have quite the history with the films you describe, the rest of your post is pretty much in line with my own feelings at this point.

And since it appears to be the thing to do at this point in the thread, my personal ranking would be:
1) ANH
2) Sith
3) Empire
4) Return
5) Clone
6) Menace

And just to add a little more heresy, I don't think I have as large a gap between 4 & 5 as most people either, close enough that I hesitated for a moment before filling in those slots. In the end though, courageous-Ewoks-unwisely- trying-a-tripwire maintained the position.

For what it's worth, I'm sure in a few years we'll "learn" to appreciate Ep I and Ep II a lot more...these films need to have a few year under their belt, like fine wine...

You'll see, in 10 years or so. We won't talk anymore about Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones being "special effects" only...I can almost guarantee that.

At what part is Alderaan shown? The end?

whats a padawan

Yeah, we'll be talking about just how much they sucked.

Does anyone else see Yoda for the senile idiot he truly is? Wasn't this whole debacle really his own fault. Didn't he just totally play into Palpatine's hand the whole time? This is the guy who fell for the whole Dookoo headfake and went to the Wookie planet buying off on that little diversion. If he is so damn wise then why couldn't he see through any of this? Let's face it, Yoda screwed the pooch and led the whole academy into this debacle.

No. If Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan had listened to Yoda in the first place and never trained Anakin, none of this would have happened.

But then the movies would be about something else that's even dumber. And I thought that after Qui-Gon got gutted by Darth Maul, Yoda and the Jedi Council said that Anakin could be trained?

Why would the Emperor save Anakin from death? Haven't they shown in all of the movies how ruthless the Empire is and how replaceable people are? That was totally out of character.

But every time he tried that, he had a replacement - Maul wasn't a sacrifice, Dooku was sacrificed for Anakin, Darth was attempted to be sacrificed for Luke..

And if Obi Wan really had all that compassion for Anakin, why let him burn like a marshmellow? If he really was like a brother why not just lop off the head and put him out of his misery. But no, he had to cruelly and needlessly let him burn up, violating the Law of Armed Conflict regarding humanity and the requirement to not inflict unecessary suffering, and allow him to be found and reborn as Darth Vader.

They didn't agree with Obi-Wan taking Anakin on as his Padawan, but Obi-Wan insisted.

He was already Vader at that point as he was Sideous' apprentice.