Exactly what I was thinking. The Machinist was okay as well, but if it had come out before Identity, it would've been better. :)

I'm not sure about this, but I thought I remembered the creators denying an identity type ending.

I figured that as the way they got the coffin, and "his body" on the plane - Jack threw a fit about needing to bury his father, and they (with or without his permission) took the body out and just shipped the coffin.

Yeah they said it wasn't a dream... and an Identity type ending would, IMO, fall under that category. I was just stating that what was being talked about in the thread sounded like Identity.

My theory on Jin - I think the other group kills him with the gun they took from Sawyer. Then what we saw is a dream sequence of a sort, him talking to his wife about everything changing. Because at that point, it would; esp. if Sawyer + Michael escape.

I bought season 1 yesterday, since I didn't watch the show at all last season. It's fascinating to watch, since all I had to go on before was the season recap ABC showed to kickoff this season. I'm definitely hooked.

I've been watching all morning, I'm on the 3rd episode now. Just passing time till the UGA-UT game. :)

I wonder how all of this ties into the oceanic-air.com site. Remember there were hidden messages on that site saying things like "If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse..." and "I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents."

and for fun...

Load up http://bigspaceship1.com and there is morse code along the top, which translates to "Father Hanso" or something close to that. The picture on the site seems to remain the same however the sounds and music playing change every 108 minutes. ;)

Edit: Scrap that, the picture changed.

Is there anyway to capture the voice sounds of that website and slow it down?

working on it right now...

Has anyone compiled a list of Lost related websites that aren't fan-based? Off the top of my head...

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

http://www.oceanic-air.com/

http://www.thefrenchlady.com/

http://www.driveshaftband.com/

http://thefuselage.com (the writers set this up)

And where did whomever find that bigspaceship thing and is it known if it's Lost related or not?

There's just too much intentional distortion in that sound file. There is defeintely some repeating messege in there that says what sounds like "Attention All Levels, Attention All Levels" and then goes into something much, much, much harder to try to hear. It sounds like some sort of announcement basically.

edit: and this was after removing noise, slowing down, changing the pitch of the voices, etc... there's just too much noise (for me) to be able to overcome.

Not sure if oceanicflight815.com is official. Ownership is listed as The Reyes Group which is the name of Hurleys company.

cthomer,

FYI, bigspaceship1.com now forwards to something named redpolarbear.com.

Here is something uncovered recently that will get you thinking....

Apparently someone has posted a picture from the first season, the pilot maybe, of the crash which shows walt wandering around the plane wreckage. On a piece of the plane, the dharma symbol is on the plane.

Some skeptics are saying it is a altered picture that someone has posted, but who knows. I can post the picture if anyone would like to see. It looks a little altered to me.

Please post it.

Interesting

Looks altered to me. But what the hell do I know?

well, anyone with a DVD can verify. I'll check when i get home if no one can confirm or deny before then.

I'm home with the kids today and I just did a search. It was from end of the third episode and the images don't look to be altered except for the black box. I can post a screenshot here in a few minutes if anyone wants.

Really? You see the logo on the plane??? Wow! Now that would completely change my current theories.

Here's a screenshot:

Well done! Huge find!

Yeah, that really changes things in my mind. Thanks for posting.

The question is, is why would a commercial flight be labeled with a private corporation or gov't corp logo?

Are we sure that's the dharma symbol?

Looks pretty clear to me.

Awesome find!

So I was thinking... One big social experiment? The original episode starts with people wandering around on the beach in a wreckage, but I don't recall them showing the plane going down.

I'm curious to know if they will ever show the boat that Desmond was on, and if it also has the logo. Might be worth it to go back and look at the other objects on the island (the Black Rock, the drug plane, etc.) to see if they have the logo as well.

Yes, they do show the plane crashing in numerous episodes in flashbacks.

Just what I was thinking. Have to give these writers (and Abrams I suppose) quite a bit of credit. Not only have they put together a nice little puzzle here, but for the most part they've done it very skillfully without taking any cheap roads.

I wonder if any of the survivors will recognize the symbol from the plane?

They'd better. If I flew Delta and I didn't recognize the symbol somewhere else that would be pretty unlikely...especially a distinct symbol like that.

any theories on how Locke is not paralized from the waist down anymore and doesnt need a wheelchair anymore.

It would be easy for that to happen. On an island where they're working parapsychology experiments anything can happen.

Besides, (from what I remember) we still don't know how he was paralyzed. It might have all been in his head. Then again, I've seen each show once and only once.

Wow. That has got my head spinning now. Is it Wednesday yet?!

Yeah, no crap. At least we've got My name is Earl and office to hold us over tomorrow...And I guess Amazing Race(nothing special yet so far).

Am I the only one who gets frustrated with the show's slow pace? Don't get me wrong, season 1 on DVD was addictive as hell, but I dunno if I wanna spend a bunch of time on Season 2 where very little happens each episode. Eps. 1&2 of this season were like, "and now, here's the scene in the bunker from the computer's point of view!"

Not me. I love the slow pace. That's what makes it unique. It's an evolving storyline - not like most hour-long dramas that just rehash the same basic plot week after week. I like the fact that there is a mystery that is spanning 20+ episodes and we get a chance to decipher the smallest of clues and try to find the connections. If too much is revealed, you lose that sense of mystery.

I think the criticism of episode 2 is fair. It was a pretty weak episode in my opinion, and clearly should have been part of a 2-hour premiere. But overall the pace of the show is precisely why i like it. The show raises as many questions as it answers week after week, but without feeling contrived. It's an intelligent show, and easily the best drama I've ever seen on network TV.

I liken the pace of this show to Carnivale on HBO. Each show has it's own story and near the end we get to see how that story connects to the overall story of the seriee. I like the slow pace as well. We can a new piece of info or another question to answer with each episode. This is a damn good show.

I wasn't a fan of the re-hash in episode two, but I think that has more to do with ABC not allowing them a two-hour premiere then it has to do with pour writing. IN regards to the pace, I like it... and I actually got annoyed that episode one revealed so much information in an hour.

The slow pace of the show is what makes it so addictive, and intriguing.

And I like the fact that they don't try to throw in too much extraneous action (like in 24, for example) that isn't related to the plot.

Yeah that bummed me out.

I like the slow pace in general, but I didn't like how 1 and 2 was simply editing tricks. The episodes ended at the same point in time.

Episode 3 was really good, though.

Great, I just found out about another crazy-ass backstory element to the show (as if i didn't have enough to deal with already!)

The same car (Gold Pontiac Bonneville):

hits Locke in the parking lot
hits Michael when he gets severely injured
is the car Kate t-bones when fleeing the hospital

Do we see who was driving the car in any of those cases?

nope.

Someone noted on another forum as well, that in the first Kate Flashback, when she is at the motel, that a car or another "Same car seen in two flashbacks" was there as well.

The first Kate flashback wasn't the farm?

ok, maybe it wasnt the first one, you are correct. The one where she gets her "friend" killed. In the beginning of the flashback, she has bleach blonde hair and is at a motel or something. There is a car at the motel she goes to, that I thought people were saying was in another flashback.

Zut! I haven't got to that point yet. I've been watching season 1 on DVD, since I missed out on the original airings. I'll keep an eye out for that.

It might not be true just speculation but I remember reading that.

I need to get the DVD. This and Band of Brothers I could watch an infinite amount of times.

I still haven't seen that.

Here is another except from the 3rd Policeman. I just finished watching the episode again and froze the frame with the book title and bible in it.

The precariousness of identity is a theme that also runs throughout the main narrative. The narrator eventually escapes from the police station (with the help of an army of one-legged men) and passes Mathers' house on his way home. At this stage the quest for the black box had almost been forgotten, but he makes one more attempt at recovering it. Inside the house – or to be more accurate, inside the walls of the house – he discovers the station of the third policeman of the title, Policeman Fox, who has custody of the black box. Fox reveals that the box does not contain money, but “omnium”, a substance MacCruiskeen once described as: “the essential inherent interior essence which is hidden in the root of the kernel of everything” (113), but which is literally everything one desires. Policeman Fox has been using it to take the muck off his leggings and to boil his eggs just right, but naturally the narrator has more grandiose visions of his future omnipotence. He gleefully returns home with the black box, where he finds a much older John Divney who is surprisingly disturbed by the narrator's appearance: “He said I was not there. He said I was dead. He said that what he had put under the boards in the big house was not the black box but a mine, a bomb. It had gone up when I touched it […] I was dead. He screamed at me to keep away. I was dead for sixteen years.” (203)

The shock of seeing his dead friend kills Divney, and the confused narrator turns back to the road. At this point the narrative also turns back on itself, replicating the narrator's first approach to the peculiar police station, only this time he is accompanied by John Divney. Both are doomed to the cyclical quest for the black box. The novel ends with Sergeant Pluck's habitual refrain: “Is it about a bicycle?” (206).

There is something here that I can't quite put my finger on. I think a parralell between the button and the black box.

I just watched Michael get hit by the car for the first time. The driver appeared to have noticeable sideburns. Maybe. :)

If this is true, it is becoming increasingly more likely that the end of Lost won't be based in any form of reality... it's one thing for Dharma to have something to do with the people on the plane, once they purchased tickets... but before that? With all the variables in life it's a bit of a stretch to say that Dharma somehow knew something about these people for years, and somehow made them voluntarily buy tickets on the same plane, to the same place, at the same time.

i rewatched a couple early episodes. i dont have anything groundbreaking, but a few thoughts observations:

1 - the monster at the beginning of the show that we hear is not the smoke we saw later. obviously a different noise....and in ep 1, you hear someone say the monster "sounds familiar"

2 - the smoke could very well be what "infected" the others. the french lady, while thinking back, says everyone got infected on the way back from the black rock.

3 - the french lady specifically says everyone in her group was fine for 2 months, then got infected. the lost gang have only been around for 40-50 days so far.

4 - locke all but says jacks father is still alive. i think he has seen him.

5 - VERY liberal use of the word "others". even when referring to the lost crew we know. to the point where a person will say, "how are they? the others?" the word "others" is thrown around all over the place, which i dont think is a coincidence

6 - sun's dad is most likely involved in all this. its worth noting he is very powerful and rich...

7 - my own theory....the end of the world has happened. i dont think this is actually the case, but it dawned on me that we never see anything happen outside the island after the crash...for obvious reasons. but combine that with "if we dont push those buttons, the world will end", and the buttons maybe not being pushed the day of the crash, and perhaps the island is all thats left. maybe. i dont know.

i suck at this.

That is a very interesting theory.

Crap! I missed tonights episode.

By the way, very shortly i plan on running a little FOFC Lost contest, I can put up a copy of Season 1 on DVD as the prize. I've got a few extra as part of a promotion I worked on when it was first released. I'm thinking some sort of Lost quiz where every submits answers, whoever has the best score wins, and if there is a tie (very likely) i choose randomly from among those who had the best scores.

Look for something in the next day or two.

It just turned Wednesday... the episode isn't until tonight.

Better shot of her... Definitely a chance here, no?

Just got home, pulled some screen shots:







You can clearly recognize the little "SE" logo in both the above and below shots (the first when michael is hit, the second as Kate is nailing the other car):

One final thought. They don't have to be the same car, they could just be the same model. You can read the license plate in the Kate incident plain as day (614-GJ5), and there is clearly a differnt plate on the car that hits Locke (looks like it starts with a 2 and/or 3, thought its blurry in all shots).

Also, i dont know if this is just the stuntman or an intentional picture, but it looks like a bald-headed man driving the car that hits Kate:




When Michael is being hit it looks like someone wearing a white baseball cap:



Of course it's also debatable that the white area there just above the seat is any other number of things. Personally I can mentally picture two different castaways as the drivers of these cars, but i feel like it's just to crazy and early to start speculating.

You suck. 1. I just bought the DVD set, though I'd love to get another to regift it or give to my wife back home. 2. I still haven't finished watching it. I'm halfway through disk 4.

Shannon, fwiw, is a slut.

Maybe the writers are hinting at the fact that people that drive that tyoe of car are more prone to attempts at vehicular manslaughter?:D

I stand by my comments, while the cars may look the same it doesn't mean it is the same car... but if it is, then a reality based ending is becoming alot less likely IMO.

I don't think that is true. I think there is a strong chance still that it could be reality even if the cars are the same. I think it just leans more toward a conspiracy, not a "dream state".

We shall see tonight.

My mum had a cool idea. Theyr'e only on season 1 just now (don't dl shows and uk is a season behind). She reckons that the island is purgatory. When the plane blew up, everyone else went upstairs or downstairs but they all have to atone for sins on this island.

All of that is kinda ruled out by s2 ep1 but it's a cool idea anyway.

The producers have scuttled a number of theories, including that the people are really dead.

That was my thought during the first season...but the thing that swayed me away from that, is, how do you get out of purgatory? I mean some of the survivors were killed (not gonna spoil it if you haven't seen yet). What did they do to redeem themselves to get out of purgatory (to die)?

I have seen up to the most recent US aired episode - I'm pretty sure (esp with the debunking mentioned above) that they aint in purgatory - nice idea though.

Considering that one of the major thematic conflicts of the show is faith vs. science, I think little coincidences like this point to the idea that these things are happening for a reason, whether it's supernatural or whatever, instead of everything completely not being reality. Basically it makes it seem like Locke's faith in the island is justified. Of course, it's always possible that it's all purely coincidental or the car is not actually the same or a million other things.

Um, I had not slept in a really long time (over a day) when I wrote that. I also work a graveyard shift that starts at 11pm the night before but counts as working the morning after. So if I have to work on Monday, i actually start work on Sunday night.

Actually, a lot of this discussion could be applied to my work schedule. Is my schedule part of some kind of crazy expirement? Am i actually dead and in some kind of purgatory?

It looks like you can now buy this seasons episodes on ITunes for 1.99 each.

one other thing to note...none of the survivors, that we know of, were just on vacation or anything benign like that. we dont learn of many that died, but we do get the sense that one couple that was engaged and "looked happy" died...everyone else is at a severe crossroads in their lives.

its not odd for a tv show, really...but it is when i consider every flight ive ever been on. youd think just 1 person would have just been going on or returning from vacation.

Desmond's going to be pissed when he comes back for food and there is none.

Nice tease on the Jin speaking English bit. Bastads.

I just have to say one thing... aren't we all a bunch of idiots for assuming something about Rose's husband...

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So the Tail end survivors got into one of the other hatches? And only about 5 of 18 are still alive, did they get slaughtered by the others or is that virus alive and kicking?

I thought the virus was a ploy to get that guy to stay in the hatch and press the button. I thought they might have killed one another, or maybe eaten eachother... who knows?

I could have sworn that in the first episode Jack attempted to save Rose's husband but he died anyway... Or was that another elderly black woman?

It wasn't Rose's husband... that's all I know. :)

That was the US Marshall.

For some reason Claire looked less attractive than usual in this episode. I know what you're thinking.. some mighty deep findings on my part.

Sov, you rule. Nice title change.

Speak for yourself. I thought she was married to a Slovakian midget this whole time. Boy, was I wrong.

You are dead on. I was thinking she looked like one of the puppets from that Dark Crystal move from when I was a kid.

I'm tired of Ana Lucia already. She's tough-as-nails... I think we all get it. I hope she gets killed soon.

Yeah, I kept hoping that Sawyer would take the gun from her and shoot her.

Did anyone else check out the milk carton at the beginning of the episode that Hurley was drinking from? Right when he sees Jin in his dream, there is a picture of Walt on the side of the carton and it says MISSING on the top.

It doesn't sound like the virus kills people, just makes them crazy - the voices in the woods. For the previews for next week, I have a guess as to whether the others were involved or not.
Sadly, I think we're headed for a Jack-Kate-Ana-Lucia love triangle.

Nice job, man. That is some great stuff.

I don't think it's any coincidence that it's the same car in all the shots. Think about it - they spent all this money on props, rental cars, rented an airplane, and everything else. They aren't going to use the same p.o.s car in pivotal scenes unless it means something.

Can anyone make out what state these tags on the above picture are from?

The closest I could find....




I don't remember if they mentioned where exactly Kate was from, but I assumed it was somewhere mid-west. The tags are probalby a dead end then.

I liked the part where Sawyer says, "If you hit me again, I'll kill you."

Bruce Willis said it in The Last Boy Scout. Geena Davis said it in The Long Kiss Goodnight. Trite, but I like it.

I think I recall Kate saying she was from Iowa.

Agreed on both accounts.

I was thinking you liked her better with the belly.

I actually was reading one of the Lost discussion boards and it turns out that the writers/producers have said that it is the same car but that it actually doesn't have any significance. Just reusing cars for different scenes I guess and failed to take the fans obsessive attention to detail in account.

They are SO gonna get it on.

Kind of a lame episode for progressing the plot (especially compared to last week's) ... but I did like the "Driveshaft ... more like 'SuckShaft'" comment.

Sure, but you are ignoring the "Kate in a towel" factor.

And this was the most disappointing episode ever, IMO, for flashbacks. All we learned about Hurley was that he worked in a fast food job (we sort of knew that) and had a best friend.

No, I said it was slow in moving the plot, but it was good for moving other 'things'. :D