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JeeberD 06-25-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2057802)
Columnist Peter Vescey's NBA sources indicate the Rockets are "leaning toward" trading Tracy McGrady, Carl Landry and Aaron Brooks to the Suns for Leandro Barbosa and Amare Stoudemire.

Stoudemire has been disgruntled in Phoenix for a while now, and ESPN's Ric Bucher reported on Thursday that he will indeed be traded. The Suns would acquire two solid young players in Landry and Brooks, while gaining financial flexibility with T-Mac's expiring $22 million contract. So far nothing is official, but stay tuned throughout what promises to be a hectic draft day.


I would hate to lose both Landry and Brooks in the deal, leaving us with Kyle Lowry as our sole PG. And it might give us the most injury prone frontcourt in the league with Amare and Yao. Yet the possibility of this trade excites me for some reason. Ah well, in Daryl Morey I trust...

Arles 06-25-2009 05:29 PM

Local Phoenix radio just said there's no interest from the Phoenix side in the Houston deal and that it's completely false. They did say there's some interest in a Golden State deal that would involve Biedrins, #7 and one other player (Belinelli or Wright).

Arles 06-25-2009 05:32 PM

They also just said this rumor - Suns move Ben Wallace's expiring contract + picks/cash to New orleans for Tyson Chandler. Sounds like Wallace will do a buyout - which would save the Hornets $3-4 million this season and over $13 million next season. Chandler would be a better fit in the Suns uptempo offense than Shaq.

Not sure I buy it, but it is interesting.

Icy 06-25-2009 06:33 PM

Draftexpress says that the trade of Sergio Rodriguez to Sacramento from Portland is done. Does it mean they want an Spanish there to help Rubio to adapt to the NBA quicker?

whomario 06-25-2009 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 2058468)
Local Phoenix radio just said there's no interest from the Phoenix side in the Houston deal and that it's completely false. They did say there's some interest in a Golden State deal that would involve Biedrins, #7 and one other player (Belinelli or Wright).


Now thereīs reports of both Wright and Belinelli in adition to Beans and the 7th pick, which would actually be good value all things considered :eek:

Hope Nash stays. If nothing else weīd get 1 or possibly 2 more years (pending on how his body keeps up) of vintage 7 seconds or less. And Wright and Biedrins better be prepared to get a lot of Pick and Roll passes all of a sudden, which both could be pretty good at from what i k now.
Plus the 7 might end up being Curry. Seriously, this team would really intrigue me.
And at 14 maybe Terrence Williams or Earl Clark ?
Plus Belinelli isnīt bad either, could end up being a solid 20 minute guy on a good team.

definitely an interesting idea :popcorn:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 2058543)
Draftexpress says that the trade of Sergio Rodriguez to Sacramento from Portland is done. Does it mean they want an Spanish there to help Rubio to adapt to the NBA quicker?


doubt it. Rodriguez wants to play, canīt see him going into veteran-mode and be a assistant coach in uniform ... I mean, Udrih is still there as well. But maybe Udrih will be traded ? (doubt it though, is overpaid and just not close to starting material. His per-minute production is highly subpar ... )
Doesnīt mean they wonīt draft a PG (Evans, Flynn), just that i canīt see them trading for Rodriguez because they want to take (and keep) Rubio.
Rubio might actually fall to the Wolves, who then could snatch him AND another player at 6 without doing another trade.

btw via draftexpress :

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7:35

No team or agent has any clue what is going to happen. That's the bottom line. Everyone is calling everyone and no one can really say what is going to happen.


those last 2 days have been crazy :eek:


Rubio could also go at 3, Presti apparently didnīt give any indicationa dn they did hire a law firm in spain. But who knows, right now itīs wild guessing all arround :D

Icy 06-25-2009 07:00 PM

Ouch, things look bad for Rubio, even if he is picked at #5, his contract won't be enough profitable to pay his release clause, so he might decide to stay in Spain.

whomario 06-25-2009 07:01 PM

no big surprise yet,

1)Griffin
2)Thabeet (what happens to Gasol ? Neither can move to the 4 spot, Gasol is a starter)
3)Harden (makes sense, they needed a 2 guard)
4)Evans (makes sense again, heīs gonna be good right away and fits next to Martin who doesnīt need the ball terribly much to score a ton)

Now the Wolves. Definitely gonna be a good and intriguing duo here at 5,6 for them. Rubio should be a lock for them to take, canīt pass on him with 2 picks here. Then Curry makes most sense ... Or they draft big and take Hill.

whomario 06-25-2009 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Icy (Post 2058558)
Ouch, things look bad for Rubio, even if he is picked at #5, his contract won't be enough profitable to pay his release clause, so he might decide to stay in Spain.


heīs stated yesterday though that heīs going to make it happen, no matter where picked. He looks pleased enough as well.

Icy 06-25-2009 07:06 PM

Finally.
Not a bad thing as it's a team rebuilding from zero with all those picks, so he could be the starter and have a ton of minutes. He said he didn't like the city weather but... anyway let's see what happens with his contract buyout.

On the other hand, i'm so happy about Sergio Rodriguez going to Sacramento, as he had no future in Portland. Let's see if he can finally show why he was for some time the most promising Spanish player.

MikeVic 06-25-2009 07:08 PM

I can't get to nba.com, fantastic.

whomario 06-25-2009 07:11 PM

What the ... ? Now this is a combination of picks that makes no sense at all if they donīt trade one of them ?
Not only do they take 2 PGs but also 2 PGs that lack a good outside shot so playing both together would be kind of a bad idea...

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 07:11 PM

Rubio's sponsors will pay his buyout.

Icy 06-25-2009 07:12 PM

Umm another guard? maybe Rubio will end in the Knicks by a trade as he wanted?

sterlingice 06-25-2009 07:14 PM

The all PG team they are making will be fun to watch ;)

SI

sterlingice 06-25-2009 07:16 PM

Knicks fans are so funny

SI

Big Fo 06-25-2009 07:16 PM

Knick fans thought they were getting Curry, tough luck.

Eaglesfan27 06-25-2009 07:16 PM

I love seeing Golden State doing that to the Knicks.

spleen1015 06-25-2009 07:17 PM

I was hoping Flynn somehow dropped to the Pacers.

Eaglesfan27 06-25-2009 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2058439)
I like Lee and have never been a Carter fan but if Turkoglu resigns that will make a pretty nice starting five. I didn't know anything about Anderson but looking at his stats he seems like a decent rebounder and shooter who is 6'10''.

The ESPN.com trade machine says this is good for +7 wins next year so I'll focus on that instead of my dislike of Vince Carter. At least he only has two years left on his contract. With no Battie and Gortat likely on his way they'll have to get another big man at some point.



I would say better than a pretty nice starting 5. I think that would become the best starting 5 in the league. Nice move for Orlando.

miami_fan 06-25-2009 07:17 PM

NICE! Well, Don Nelson won't require him to play defense either so he is in good shape

Swaggs 06-25-2009 07:17 PM

Is Matt Millen the GM of the T-Wolves?

bhlloy 06-25-2009 07:17 PM

haha. hahaha. hahahaha. I don't actually dislike the Knicks but that was pretty funny. I think that's Karma for telling everybody for the last month that you plan to take a guy at a certain position.

whomario 06-25-2009 07:17 PM

Lol @ New Yorkīs collective uproar over the Warriors taking Curry :D

Curry meets Nelly-ball = :popcorn:

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 07:17 PM

Hill is the 3rd best player in the draft IMO, and the Knicks have him fall to their laps. If they pass on him, oh boy.

MikeVic 06-25-2009 07:19 PM

I wanna see Curry playing Nelly-ball.

Big Fo 06-25-2009 07:22 PM

lol at the little kid giving the thumbs down and his dad twisting his wrist into a thumbs up

Schmidty 06-25-2009 07:23 PM

The Knicks just drafted Mikki Moore.

bhlloy 06-25-2009 07:23 PM

That's a nice pick. Knicks fans are morons.

It is unreal how many busts there are in the NBA draft. When ESPN shows the first round picks from the last 5 years, it's like a who's who of crappy players and unheard of again Euro's. No wonder so many of these teams are picking high every year.

miami_fan 06-25-2009 07:24 PM

Who is better, Chris Bosh or Jordan Hill?;)

MikeVic 06-25-2009 07:29 PM

Thought he didn't want to play in Canada, otherwise I like the pick.

bhlloy 06-25-2009 07:32 PM

I think DeRozan could be a poor man's DWade, but he will need a lot of time to develop. He really didn't perform for SC at all until the last month of the season, and that was against college level defenders.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 07:35 PM

Yeeesh. Jennings at 10?

sterlingice 06-25-2009 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2058611)
Yeeesh. Jennings at 10?


Not saying it's a good pick, but what really is out there now?

SI

Atocep 06-25-2009 07:36 PM

Hollinger's draft rater has Jordan Hill and DeRozan as the two biggest busts in this draft. It rated Hill in the mid-20s, so not too huge of a bust but still a disappointment. It has DeRozan rated 54th, though.

It'll be interesting to see how they do.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 07:36 PM

Detroit should take Maynor 15 if he is available but they'll take Mullens. So yeah, I am ready for a wasted pick.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2058613)
Not saying it's a good pick, but what really is out there now?

SI


Eric Maynor. Kid will be a stud.

Samdari 06-25-2009 07:38 PM

Don't congratulate the Knicks too much for that pick. Somehow, Hill is going to Minnesota for Rubio, probably with David Lee once the Knicks can sign him.

Atocep 06-25-2009 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2058617)
Detroit should take Maynor 15 if he is available but they'll take Mullens. So yeah, I am ready for a wasted pick.


I honestly can't see how Maynor could go ahead of Ty Lawson.

MikeVic 06-25-2009 07:46 PM

Terrence Williams is the guy that carries a Barbie backpack and has Spongebob socks right?

Schmidty 06-25-2009 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2058617)
Detroit should take Maynor 15 if he is available but they'll take Mullens. So yeah, I am ready for a wasted pick.


Good Lord, I hope that guarantee to Mullens is just a rumor. The guy is a stiff and a tool.

I'd take Earl Clark happily.

spleen1015 06-25-2009 07:50 PM

Larry Bird is a dumbass.

Eaglesfan27 06-25-2009 07:51 PM

I'm surprised that Hansbrough went that early.

DaddyTorgo 06-25-2009 07:51 PM

lol look - we have shitty PG's but we're going to take a big white stiff!

Schmidty 06-25-2009 07:51 PM

Bird's a racist.

miami_fan 06-25-2009 07:53 PM

Troy Mruphy, Mike Dunleavy........was there any doubt that Hansbrough would be the pick there?

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 07:53 PM

Ugh. Joe D just don't take Mullens or Daye. Please.

Schmidty 06-25-2009 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2058644)
Ugh. Joe D just don't take Mullens or Daye. Please.


+1

spleen1015 06-25-2009 07:53 PM

There was mention locally that the Pacers were looking to trade for later picks with Chicago. I really hope that's what this is.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 07:55 PM

The Pacers are petitioning to the NBA to include diving for loose balls as an official stat.

Schmidty 06-25-2009 07:56 PM

Damn. I would have liked Earl Clark.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 2058651)
Damn. I would have liked Earl Clark.


It's okay Schmidty. I'll send you a Mullens jersey shirt.

Schmidty 06-25-2009 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2058657)
It's okay Schmidty. I'll send you a Mullens jersey shirt.


Can you overnight it? I'm on my last roll of toilet paper.

RainMaker 06-25-2009 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 2058647)
There was mention locally that the Pacers were looking to trade for later picks with Chicago. I really hope that's what this is.


I wouldn't mind having Hansborough in Chicago. He's someone who can step in and play right away. Will give you some energy and minutes off the bench. I'd look at it as a free agent pickup that is much cheaper than actually signing a free agent.

Schmidty 06-25-2009 08:02 PM

Blah.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 08:03 PM

What a waste of a pick. I am glad we weren't content with having one Tayshaun Prince. He is 192 lbs and nearly 7 foot. Unreal.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 08:03 PM

Great pick. Can never have enough Small Forwards.

Schmidty 06-25-2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2058668)
What a waste of a pick. I am glad we weren't content with having one Tayshaun Prince. He is 192 lbs and nearly 7 foot. Unreal.


Yeah, he's Tayshaun 2.0.

Joe has lost it.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 08:07 PM

Van Gundy, lmao.

Daye makes Tayshaun look like the Hulk.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 08:08 PM

But back to this shit sandwhich of a pick.

So now we have an unatheltic near 7 footer who weights 190 lbs and is not someone who mixes it up down low. Amazing.

miami_fan 06-25-2009 08:10 PM

Hey now the last draftee who could not bench press his weight did pretty well


Okay you are right, I don't see this pick as making any sense.

MikeVic 06-25-2009 08:10 PM

Tayshaun being traded to Celtics for Rondo then. ;)

Atocep 06-25-2009 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2058673)
But back to this shit sandwhich of a pick.

So now we have an unatheltic near 7 footer who weights 190 lbs and is not someone who mixes it up down low. Amazing.


Bargnani has worked out well.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 08:12 PM

Kevin Durant just called Austin Daye a pussy.

Eaglesfan27 06-25-2009 08:13 PM

While I hate to have a Bruin on my team, I like that pick as the best option to fill a need.

Atocep 06-25-2009 08:17 PM

Can I go on record now by stating that Ty Lawson will be the steal of the draft?

spleen1015 06-25-2009 08:19 PM

ROFL

MikeVic 06-25-2009 08:19 PM

All-PG lineup eh... haha.

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 08:19 PM

If they don't have trades already worked out this could backfire very badly.

Big Fo 06-25-2009 08:19 PM

Minnesota wtf, they have to be making a trade tonight right?

Icy 06-25-2009 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2058688)
If they don't have trades already worked out this could backfire very badly.


Agree, they NEED to trade now, and when you need something and everybody knows it, you lose a lot of negotiation strength.

miami_fan 06-25-2009 08:20 PM

Ummmm okay

DeToxRox 06-25-2009 08:21 PM

Lawson to Denver. I like it.

miami_fan 06-25-2009 08:21 PM

Ty Lawson to Denver?

Coffee Warlord 06-25-2009 08:21 PM

It's the new Triangle Offense...set up at the 3 point stripe.

MikeVic 06-25-2009 08:21 PM

Didn't their new GM say he's gonna make a bang? Jefferson, three PGs, and whoever else they have as a starting lineup. ;)

Icy 06-25-2009 08:26 PM

Maybe he wants to invent a new offense all with PG's, like that ultra spread offense in high school football.

jbergey22 06-25-2009 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 2058584)
Is Matt Millen the GM of the T-Wolves?


Nope Wolves actually have someone smart running the operation now. Taking best available player instead of taking some player every knows will suck. Flynn is a beast. Just curious who would have you taken in that spot?

Arles 06-25-2009 08:30 PM

If the Suns end up moving Amare to Golden State for Biedrins, Wright and Belinelli, they will have Nash, Richardson, Clark, Biedrins, Wright, Belinelli, Barbosa, Lopez, Dudley and Goran Dragic as their top 10 (with Amundson as well). Their next move may be to trade for Don Nelson as they have basically become the 2006 Golden State Warriors. They'll also have only $33 million in guaranteed salary going into the 2010 offseason.

They will lose, but it will be in style and at a high pace ;)

MikeVic 06-25-2009 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbergey22 (Post 2058706)
Nope Wolves actually have someone smart running the operation now. Taking best available player instead of taking some player every knows will suck. Flynn is a beast. Just curious who would have you taken in that spot?


Three PGs in the top 20?

k0ruptr 06-25-2009 08:32 PM

And now starting at PG for the Minnesota Timberwolves...... Everyone?

jbergey22 06-25-2009 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic (Post 2058709)
Three PGs in the top 20?


Well obviously Lawson is getting traded and Ive been seeing rumors of Rubio going to the Knicks for Nate Robinson/Jordan Hill. It will all work out give him a chance.

MikeVic 06-25-2009 08:33 PM

They need a PG while Rubio is getting ready, and just in case one fails they have another I guess.

MikeVic 06-25-2009 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbergey22 (Post 2058714)
Well obviously Lawson is getting traded and Ive been seeing rumors of Rubio going to the Knicks for Nate Robinson/Jordan Hill. It will all work out give him a chance.


But then it's not fun. ;) Three PGs is more entertaining.

Radii 06-25-2009 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 2058683)
Can I go on record now by stating that Ty Lawson will be the steal of the draft?


I'm obviously slightly biased but I agree.

jbergey22 06-25-2009 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic (Post 2058716)
But then it's not fun. ;) Three PGs is more entertaining.


LOL It would have been unique.

I actually wanted Flynn but I wasnt sure who else they should have taken. I really didnt see anyone else worth a 5/6 pick so under them circumstances I think he did the smart thing. Im really not even sure why they need Jordan Hill considering they have Jefferson/Love at PF.

sterlingice 06-25-2009 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2056101)
Thomas? Songaila?

My guess is the Wolves will draft Thabeet and Jordan Hill, and start the first "All Center" team in NBA history.


Between this and the draft tonight, maybe they're going for the extremes and trying out a 3 PG/2 C lineup

SI

miami_fan 06-25-2009 08:43 PM

I think it may be time for some of the underclassmen who decided to declare early to sweat a bit.

MikeVic 06-25-2009 08:43 PM

Portland loading up on Spanish dudes? I'd like to see someone try that (get a significant portion of their roster from one good national team). I thought Collangelo would try it in Toronto.

Arles 06-25-2009 08:46 PM

Looks like Curry may be part of the Amare deal. Local radio is saying that the deal is Amare for Curry, Biedrins and Wright (with maybe Belinelli as well). They've said that Golden State is already negotiating a long term extension with Amare and the deal can't be announced because Biedrins is a base year guy and the cap numbers won't work until FA begins:

Curry pick part of likely Amare deal

Big Fo 06-25-2009 08:49 PM

EA better improve the NBA Live series now that Howard is on the cover. He should have waited to be on the NBA2k cover down the road.

Dr. Sak 06-25-2009 08:50 PM

I don't watch the NBA but it is a surprise that Blair still hasn't been picked?

sterlingice 06-25-2009 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 2058727)
Looks like Curry may be part of the Amare deal. Local radio is saying that the deal is Amare for Curry, Biedrins and Wright (with maybe Belinelli as well). They've said that Golden State is already negotiating a long term extension with Amare and the deal can't be announced because Biedrins is a base year guy and the cap numbers won't work until FA begins:

Curry pick part of likely Amare deal


Hm... interesting, but not sure what to think of that

SI

sterlingice 06-25-2009 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2058731)
I don't watch the NBA but it is a surprise that Blair still hasn't been picked?


Yes, he was expected to go in the 15~20 range but his injury history might be scaring some teams.

SI

RainMaker 06-25-2009 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 2058727)
Looks like Curry may be part of the Amare deal. Local radio is saying that the deal is Amare for Curry, Biedrins and Wright (with maybe Belinelli as well). They've said that Golden State is already negotiating a long term extension with Amare and the deal can't be announced because Biedrins is a base year guy and the cap numbers won't work until FA begins:

Curry pick part of likely Amare deal


Makes no sense to me what the Kings are doing. They'll have an injury prone Amare (who they will pay max money for) and no one.

jbergey22 06-25-2009 08:55 PM

Portland apparently offering Oden for Rubio.

jbergey22 06-25-2009 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2058735)
Makes no sense to me what the Kings are doing. They'll have an injury prone Amare (who they will pay max money for) and no one.


Kevin Martin is a stud. Im guessing u meant gGolden State though:)

miami_fan 06-25-2009 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2058733)
Yes, he was expected to go in the 15~20 range but his injury history might be scaring some teams.

SI


Raw numbers might play a part of it as well. 6'6 277lbs for a 4 is a tough sell for a lot of teams

RainMaker 06-25-2009 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbergey22 (Post 2058738)
Kevin Martin is a stud. Im guessing u meant gGolden State though:)

Yeah sorry, Golden State. I just don't get it.

MikeVic 06-25-2009 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbergey22 (Post 2058737)
Portland apparently offering Oden for Rubio.


Uhh... I would not do that if I were Minnesota. But it would be interesting for the all-Spanish team. ;)

jbergey22 06-25-2009 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2058740)
Yeah sorry, Golden State. I just don't get it.


Yeah who knows about them. Monta Ellis is a good player but Stephen Jackson is a cancer that shoots all the time. I dont see Amar'e making them much better than what they are either.


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