Early vote on a known villager day 1, check. Putting EF in the lead when the wolves knew PB hadn't even switched to EF yet, check. And then it was merely those two things combined with the tone of some of his few posts that struck me oddly.

I had my vote on him all day because I felt he was a better option than PB or Telle, but obviously no one agreed.

Well, here's my morning check-in, and I see nothing much going on. I'll probably be back after night deadline or perhaps briefly on Sunday.

I think I've made clear who my suspects are, in case something happens to me. My trust list in order of trust is

Barkeep
Abe
Dubb
Poli
PackerFan
MartinD

how I am upset?

I mearly said I don't belong on your list. It's not like I was PBing you.

Good stuff, Lathum :lol:

OK, so how do you significantly differentiate between PF and MartinD?

Early vote on a known villager Day 1 - check
Putting EF in the lead when the wolves knew PB hadn't even switch to EF yet - check
Tone of posts - not sure, but neither of those guys have many posts

Yet you are after PF and not MartinD. I see these guys as nearly equal on my trust/distrust lists but you seem to have a big gap between them. Why? Can you clarify on the "tone of posts" which seems like it must be the difference?

Can you build your case for Poli as trusted?

and why I'm not?

I thik my day 1 vote on EF was pretty telling.

I need to go back and look at Martin's voting then if it's that similar - I don't even recall him posting, whereas I got bad feelings about some of PF's posts. I'll go back and find them sometime this weekend. So I imagine they're about equal on my distrust scale.

Can you highlight posts by PF that concerned you?

My trust at this point is very heavily regulated by voting records, since we've had meaningful votes on the first two days and at this point can do pretty complete analysis on them.

Yes, like I said I'll go back and find em when I have a bit of time to spare. No rush, right?

Dola (think I can slip that in over weekend),

I'll definitely listen to people's "vibe" if/when they link the posts that created the vibe so I can try to interpret it as well. But it is going to be a fairly tough sell to convince me to vote for someone with a "good" voting record versus a "bad" voting record. I understand the whole "wolves know who the wolves/villagers are" and manage accordingly, but they had one of their own on the chopping block each of the first two days and that person was probably salvageable both times around if they dug in.

Damn, not even on weekends (dola)!

No rush - I'm out most of the afternoon to help run my kid's birthday party.

What is our next deadline?

Sunday at 10 eastern.

I speak for everyone: Run it.

Alright, assuming there are no protests I will run everything in the next few hours.

I would love to see it processed earlier. Unless I'm dying; then let me know so I can blurt out every random thought over the next hour or two.

Alright, I will process it in about 30 minutes, maybe sooner.

What he said.

They took barkeep? That's odd.

Although barkeep apparently was one cool guy, I don't know how his role was helpful to us.

Yeah, his role was a risk/reward vanilla villager basically. If he was able to nullify people who hated him by getting them to vote and then even unvote him, it would of been helpful to avoid a lynch, but for the most part, it was fancy vanilla villager type role.

Plus if he was the leading vote getter and this ability saved him, he would have ended up being cleared. So, this could have served as a self scan of sorts too.

About the only case I could have made for BK being a lynch was that he was the most trusted person by Autumn. I have no idea why that would have been the case but I did not want to press that until today.

Abe - I do not see anything within BK's role description that would have suggested any association with you. Can you say now why in the world you would have felt so confident about BK, to the point where you suggested "lynch me instead of him"?

My guess is I was silenced because the wolves were a little freaked out by the way I voted the other day.

I am wondering right now about Autumn, one because I'm not on his list and two because the person he trusted most is dead now, it's almost like some kind of move on his part. Put out a trust list then kill someone on it to make it look like he is a villager with a good read,

The lynch me instead of him definitely concerned/confused me.

No, the GM Told me I was already on the line with my first comment, I cannot expand on it.

Hmm.

Anyway, I don't understand "silencing" Lathum, either.

The problem is that I don't see a role that would dovetail with this role that you would suggest. Nor do I see where it would have been a problem where you read BK's initial post and said "hmm, that sounds at least in the same realm as my role - I can believe that". So the fact that you are now clamming up, and that your voting hasn't exactly been good, makes it pretty hard for me to trust you no matter what Autumn may be suggesting with his list. Especially since BK did not vouch you back.

Okay, it has been clarified by the GM that I can say it is due to my role, and that's as far as I can go.

OK, so let me see if I can push the boundaries a little bit here - why do you think that BK was not willing to cross-vouch you back on Day 1 or at any other point in the first three days?

Ask yourself this question, "Why SHOULD he be able to?"

I can think of a lot more ways that I would know and BK wouldn't, than we both know.

Quick thought on this - I was overlooking something really obvious when I typed this. Abe's vouch for BK, as well as asking for us to vote him out before BK, suggested that they might somehow be lovers so the wolves were probably hunting for a 2:1 here. That probably makes the most sense for the kill. Any kind of trust was probably just a bonus for them, right up until the point that they only killed one person.

That said, this theory only works if Abe is a villager. If Abe = wolf then it almost has to be a "trust/no BG likely to block" play.

BTW, if I were a wolf trying to get way out in front, and I mean WAY out with my comments, I would be a better voter. I'd want to have some value to the village so that they would not want to vote me out.

Besides, have you ever known me, even one time, to go out in front like this as a wolf? Nope. I am not comfortable in the spotlight as a wolf, never have been. Especially not in a game with 21 players, and it would be easy to hide in the shadows. That's bad strategy, as can be seen with all of the attention to come my way.

I tried to create a Circle of Trust, and now that one is dead. I can do no more, I can say no more.

So, taking another direction - was your trust predicated by his first post describing his role or was the trust already there before that point? I can quote the post in question if you need me to do so.

Also, why did you think it would be better to have you die before BK, given that his death did not have any negative impact on you?

I'm asking the questions because you are in the thread on a Saturday night (what, no date?) and because I'm hoping that you can widen the boundaries of communication that seem to be in place by responding to direct questions.

I already told you, it had to do with my role. I cannot tell more.

Lerriuqs, don't be afraid to chime in at any point.

Abe, does post #1940 answer post #1938, #1939, or both?

Both, Mr Specific

Sorry guys, I'm having enough trouble keeping up with the many, many posts...

I've been having trouble really figuring out what's going on. I'm not used to games this big. Hence, I watch...I'll try to get more in here soon.

The one thing I really don't get is how any of my votes is all that suspicious - Day 1, I voted for Pass early and didn't come back till after the deadline, I couldn't switch if I had wanted to. Day 2, I voted PB as much to keep the race close to allow for vote changes. I didn't see any reason to switch at the end. Some said it looked bad for those of us who didn't, but if those that did switch hadn't, it wouldn't have. So I don't really get that logic. There was no real reason to vote for one over the other until the fact that he was a wolf came out. Day 3, I tried to bring a third choice close cause I didn't like the first two and then wasn't back for the deadline to consider any changes.

I don't think there's much of anything to go that would raise any suspicion. I'm a villager. I have no idea who the wolves are and haven't had enough time to really delve into any of my suspicions. As such I don't really want to voice them quite yet.

Don;t worrry, I'm having trouble too

Apparently not as much as the rest of us.

I think there needs to be discussion on the wolves choice to criticize Lathum today. Would they criticize one of their own again after what happened to EF? I would lean towards no, but I have to wonder what type of villager role would have required Lathum to vote for PB on day 2 to activate(I believe this is the gist of what he was trying to say. I'm still highly confused by Lathum's actions on day 2.)

I think they are worried my role has some sort of added bonus when it comes to the vote.

Lathum, why would they think that? What could have emerged over the first three days to suggest a bonus on vote, given that we have not seen it reflected in the voting totals and did not see BK's role writeup until the end of Night 3?

I dunno, just trying to figure out why they would vote me.

I think they may be freaked out about the way I voted the other day and have claimed because of that I triggered a mechanic for my role.

Maybe they are worried about that mechanic?