I would say just leave the post as is, and take the slap on the wrist fine :)

plus you are docked today's pay.


Seriously though, good catch on the Hob. You even said last night if anyone revealed as Bob you wouldnt necessarily believe it.

I'm just scared that this issue of bogus seers and what list do we trust is going to dominate the rest of this game like it did in my first game, where tanglewood and qwikshot were alternating seers and it caused a giant mess. It is very, very dangerous for us to use their scan lists unless we know for sure, hence me advocating lynching Thomkal last night -- at least we would know where we stand in the game. Swaggs unanticipated gift of an ability makes things much better for now, but we're still stuck between a lot of possibilities. The fact that we seem to be in pretty good shape right now is what stops me from going crazy with information seeking lynch possibilities.

Well i type so fast i have a buttload of errors, so im used to it, but every game i've played somebody says something to me about names... its annoying :P

I wondered about the Spleen thing too, but since you pointed that out, Swaggs, it makes perfect sense. I don't think Anxiety would deliberately set out to trip up the Light on that. More like a clue for the Light, should they uncover it.

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE SPLEEN1015

Alan, this seems like a case where your canon knowledge might actually be useful. What do you make of the whole spleen situation?

Alan, I think we learn something by keeping Thomkal and LSG alive for another day. I suspect I will be at the top of the list for a night kill tonight, but if either of them die their names will be cleared. If they live until tomorrow, they will each have another set of names to reveal and they should be looking at a pretty small set of targets to choose from and should be able to provide us with someone to lynch tomorrow which will either prove or disprove them.

As of right now, I'm not crazy about the list LSG provided, so she is not in my COT. She gave two names of deceased players and two players that were already in my CoT.

The way I am viewing it,
I have a list of 6 vouched for
I have a list of 6 unvouched for
I have a list of 4 seer revealed but not definites.

As seers scan people, we can put more into the seer revealed but not definite list. However we still have quite a few people who are not vouched for nor seer revealed that I am fine looking into.

I hate to say it, but we probably don't have much more than 3 or 4 good guys that arent in the vouched list right now.

So Im willing to take the 60-70% chance of nailing a bad guy while letting our seer live longer to provide more information. Eventually the bad guys will either have to kill them or they will run out of people waiting us out.

Swaggs is right, there was no one named Hob. It was Bob and Nob

I agree obviously with keeping them both alive. I think the big question the bad guys will have to face tonight is who to kill. Kill me to shut me up? Kill you since you seem to have an undisputable role and are vouched for? Kill Izulde? Kill the real seer? Kill someone else in the vouched for list?

No matter what they choose, we still will have alot of firepower and continue to shrink our CoT. Thats why its important for us to not kill someone who is a possible bad guy target and do their work for them. Its one extra move they have to make.

Well, since names are being thrown around I might as well do the same: My name is Tavin and I'm the local proprietor of the general store. I'm as vanilla as they come and too engrossed in my store to worry about what goes on.

I don't have absolute knowledge. With your ability you have knowledge, I'm going on gut which sometimes is better than some people's analysis.

well to just make sure I am completely accurate.. there was a Hob, he just didnt have anything to do with Barliman like Swaggs said. The Hob from the storys was no where near Bree.

I guess the more I think about it, I didn't choose a great quote to check last night. At the time, I figured that him saying that they were all good would both prove him as the seer and/or give us a small list to target.

Thinking it through, if Thomkal is an evil seer on either Saruaon or Sauron, he could think someone on the opposite evil faction is good without having checked them and only knowing that his teammates are not good. The fact that he took the time to check in today without giving us the name and status of who he seered last night doesn't sit well with me, as it would not have taken any longer to add that information. It makes me think he wanted to check out the status of the game before revealing, which makes little sense since he is already revealed.

Okay, before I forget, I thought most of our names were made up?

Yep, that was my point earlier too, if I had to choose I think I believe LSG more than Thomkal right now, but to me its irrelevant, I think even if Thomkal is bad, keeping him alive longer has the outside chance ofkeeping the real seer alive longer too.

Also not killing thomkal has the added effect of not killing our real seer in case I'm wrong and he really is telling the truth.

Now if only he would give us some information

Do not ask game related questions of dead people.

Mine is, but Chief Rum's definitly wasn't.

Swaggs's that he claims he is also is not made up, and fits the role that I already knew he had before he revealed.

So obviously there are a few real names in here too

It seems like most of them are, but the few Bree characters that exist seem to be present. I would bet good money that one of the bad guys is Bill Ferny, for instance.

I'd like to see more movement towards Spleen or a strong argument towards someone else.

If Thomkal was good he would do what is best for the village, and that would have been to say who he scanned last night. He made two posts, and in both he ignored that question.

I hate to pile on a guy with a migraine, but I agree... it would have taken 2 seconds to post who he scanned... that's it. Just a name for crying out loud!!

Alright, I've been on longer than I had planned, be back later... much later.

Agreed. It definitely raises a flag.

But, at the same time, if he has a bad enough migraine, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

I should have added:

a name and evil/no evil or whatever he could read... just something.

To be fair, he might legitimately be sick with a migrane. I'm holding off my complete lambasting of him till he gets back. The paranoid part of my mind tells me that he was not prepared for my reveal this morning and needed to wait till more wolf buddies woke up to discuss strategy with.

However I don't like thinking the worst of people, so for now I think I should give him the benefit of the doubt. However if he hedges when he does get here, I'm going to be annoyed with him. Not annoyed to lynch him today, but annoyed none the less.

Anyway, I don't know what to make of spleen. Part of me wants him to die because if he's bad it might actually start to clear me a little, and I can use any help I can get. Also, the kind of slip he made is the kind of slip that someone might make if they were coming up with some BS role story and just didn't double check everything. But there's also the distinct possibility it was a typo. However, if Swaggs wants more movement, he shall get it.

UNVOTE SUBLIME
VOTE SPLEEN

Well technically two mistakes. First naming the already dead guy and second naming the wrong other one (Hob and not Bob)

Dola, I'm not sure how spleen dying would clear you though Tyrith. We do still have 2 bad factions we'll have to consider. However spleen dying just pushes off my desire for ntndeacon vs sublime to tommorrow

I've been trying to figure out how to vote today and really wasn't sure which way to go. Now with the big shift to Spleen, things got complicated again. I have already voted for Spleen in this game, and I have no problem doing it again. For now, I'm not going to vote for him just to make sure we keep a race going. If I need to make a change to ensure the lynch, I will.

Vote Ntndeacon

11 members in here, and nobody is really talking

Do you really want me to talk more? :)

no, you need to get to your real job, so the rest of these guys get a word in.

It would help because he's called for my head for three days in a row. It's better than nothing, if he's bad.

:D

Let me just throw this out there for discussion: What if Spleen's slip up was on purpose? What if he is trying to divert attention from someone else? And conversely, what if this mistake was a typo and nothing more? Although I do find it odd that he didn't say anything yesterday when Swaggs was asking Izulde if his name was close to CR's.

What are the cases against ntndeacon and Sublime?

They are both on my short list of people who aren't vouched for by anyone, sublime was someone blade was pushing and ntn was someone I was pushing. And for 3 days straight, the wolves havent had any problem jumping on to vote for alot of people, but they definitly have avoided ntn like the plague (as example out of yesterday's vote NO-ONE on the unvouched for list voted for ntndeacon. All 8 people who did at some point are on the vouched for or at least seer revealed list.

Either way though, its for tommorrow, since Spleen seems like a better choice today.

Ok, all caught up.

I can understand why I'm getting pressured a bit. It's my first game, you guy's don't know how I'm playing b/c you have no history to work with. But I'll tell you know I'm a stable keeper at the Cloven Shoe, my name is Agonar Thistleroot. Other than that, I got nothing for you guys, no race, no affiliation with the dark, just a plain old villager.

As for a vote, I thought before today that everyone's names were just completely made up. But with Spleen's 'slip up,' if it was one (are we sure it was?), it's hard to look past him. I'm going to wait a bit, after some more discussion, to make my vote.

I'm real worried that people are going to screw around and, it being Friday, the wolves will be able to disperse enough to keep Spleen alive tonight. Already, there have been enough people online throughout the day that are holding their cards close to vest and not putting a vote out.

I feel really confident that Spleen made a basic Werewolf mistake, regardless of the details of this particular game.

Alright... I'd agree that Sublime is suspicious. Trying to cast subtle doubt on Spleen's miscue doesn't sit well with me.

Well the upside of it is we will have a record of who didn't vote for spleen or who messed around. At this point on the run I highly doubt they want to draw more attention to themselves because it could cause them to be tommorrow's vote.

If they are really brave enough to mess with the lynch vote to save their own, then it will only help our distrust lists.

dola,

I have a hard time believing that Saruman's forces will risk putting their own necks into the fire to save Sauron's forces and vice versa.

They obviously have to work together to kill us, but neither side wants to be down 3-1 to the other in the chance they do manage to pull it off. I have a feeling there won't be enough people to mess with the spleen vote to pull it off. It would be way too suspicious of them.

To be fair, I did the same thing.

VOTE Spleen

Unless he can convince me otherwise.

If you are of the light, you don't want to lynch me. Nob truly was a typo and and my name really is Nob. I don't know what else to really say at this point. I don't know the LotR story beyond seeing each of the movies once.

Almost everyone in this game has a made up name. Is it not possible that Anxiety chose to use 2 of them and not the other?

Let me ask this question. When you guys lynch me and I turn out to be Hob the stableworker, what are you going to think about the situation then? Do you think it is wrong for Anxiety to use 2 of the real names form the story that have a relationship like this and change the name of the third person in that relationship. I find a problem with that.

I know it looks bad for me, but you guys are 100% totally wrong about this.

:cool:

I meant to say that my name really is Hob. Christ.

Then we'll lynch Abe next turn. :)

hahah sorry, I like to poor lemon juice on people's wounds too :)

An interesting note though, just like yesterday's vote on ntndeacon, once again the only person in the watch list with a vote on Spleen is Tyrith. The rest are avoiding it like the plague.

I don't blame you guys for doing this one bit. I would be all over it if someone else were in my shoes.

If playing the game without knowledge of LotR is not important, I don't think there is any reason to think that any sort of knowledge would come into play like this, but I could just be thinking that because I'm going to get lynched today.

Can you explain why you didn't respond yesterday when Swaggs was asking Izulde if his name was similar to CR's?

Now that made me laugh out loud. :)