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PilotMan 05-04-2017 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3158563)
In other words, those most concerned about getting beaten.


Massie in KY is my Rep. He might have gone to MIT to prove he's smart, but he's also a hardcore libertarian who wrote a bill to end the Dep of Education and co-sponsored one to eliminate the EPA. He pretty much believes that we should all live without a national government and votes "No" on just about everything dealing with it.

miked 05-04-2017 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3158582)
Ummmm...you might want to check your sources there...


I was just coming back. I had no sources, I was watching the vote live and thought it was the winners, apparently is was the idiot losers :)

Thomkal 05-05-2017 09:09 AM

Guess we all need to move to Australia then...

Trump praises Australia’s universal health-care system: ‘You have better health care than we do’ - The Boston Globe

JPhillips 05-05-2017 09:09 AM




Interesting.

dubb93 05-05-2017 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3158676)


Don't think it is any big secret that Trump has always been in favor of this. If he wasn't so obviously short sighted I would question if passing this abomination of healthcare bill is so important for him so in a few years he can argue for the system he really wants in place.

JPhillips 05-05-2017 10:01 AM

Does he really want anything other than money and wins?

molson 05-05-2017 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3158685)
Does he really want anything other than money and wins?


Power (which is related to wins). He wanted to be president and had a good plan to get there, which included publicly adopting, for the first time in his life, the textbook Republican platform. I think his real views are a lot more moderate and varied, but they're just not an important part of who he is, compared to other things.

Atocep 05-05-2017 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3158685)
Does he really want anything other than money and wins?


People cheering

I think dubb93 is accurate. In a world where everyone isn't playing a political game Trump would probably push for Universal Healthcare. Taking down Obamacare is what was getting him strong reactions on the campaign trail though so that's what he's going with.

I doubt he has a strong enough understanding of the Healthcare system to see the impact any Healthcare bill and relies on people around him to tell him what it does. That's why he keeps insisting no one is losing coverage and it covers pre existing conditions.

Trump is getting mocked by Democrats for not being able to replace Obamacare and he needs that feather in his cap as an accomplishment he can advertise to his base to show he's doing stuff. I think some Republicans are taking advantage of this vulnerability to get this particular healthcare plan through.

JonInMiddleGA 05-05-2017 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3158707)
Trump is getting mocked by Democrats for not being able to replace Obamacare


Rightfully so, though not exactly for that reason.

He's failed to deliver since yesterday's misbegotten bill did not repeal. This is precisely the sort of failure neither he nor the party needed. It's a definite box checked off the "ya know, what's the point if they aren't going to do anything" list.

CrescentMoonie 05-05-2017 12:33 PM

Today we have FCC Chief Ajit Pai saying that Net Neutrality actions should be taken preemptively AFTER things are broken. You can't make that kind of stupidity up.

Quote:

"Preemptive regulation is appropriate when there's a major market failure — when the Internet is broken," he says.

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai Makes Case For Tackling Net Neutrality Violations 'After The Fact' : All Tech Considered : NPR

Also, you've got news of 5 major investment banks moving a crapload of jobs from London to Frankfurt in response to the idiocy of Brexit.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-br...-idUSKBN1811GA

Welcome to the potential very near term future of the US folks. 62 million people owe those with functioning human brains an apology.

JonInMiddleGA 05-05-2017 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3158710)
Also, you've got news of 5 major investment banks moving a crapload of jobs from London to Frankfurt in response to the idiocy of Brexit.


Brexit should never have been necessary .... if not for the braindead willingness of fools & cowards willing to give up sovereignty in the first place.

Quote:

Welcome to the potential very near term future of the US folks. 62 million people owe those with functioning human brains an apology.

Those who voted for Obama even once owe the planet an apology. Then again, so does his mother.

Ben E Lou 05-05-2017 02:15 PM



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Butter 05-05-2017 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3158710)
Welcome to the potential very near term future of the US folks. 62 million people owe those with functioning human brains an apology.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3158723)
Those who voted for Obama even once owe the planet an apology. Then again, so does his mother.


OMG ROASTED

Thomkal 05-05-2017 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3158680)
Don't think it is any big secret that Trump has always been in favor of this. If he wasn't so obviously short sighted I would question if passing this abomination of healthcare bill is so important for him so in a few years he can argue for the system he really wants in place.


The thing is though that all those Republicans he just begged to do this want nothing to do with this kind of healthcare law.

dubb93 05-05-2017 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3158744)
The thing is though that all those Republicans he just begged to do this want nothing to do with this kind of healthcare law.


True enough. I'm just not sure how committed he is to that party anyway.

Thomkal 05-07-2017 02:20 PM

Macron wins French Presidental election and stops the far-right movement in Europe, at least for now.

JPhillips 05-07-2017 02:42 PM

And because we're generally innumerate as a species we'll say the polls were right even though the final margin was further from the polls than the Trump or Brexit polls.

Atocep 05-09-2017 04:51 PM

So Trump fired Comey in the middle of his investigation into Trump.

This should be interesting.

JPhillips 05-09-2017 04:56 PM

Will the GOP in congress finally say no?

Doubtful.

JonInMiddleGA 05-09-2017 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3159374)
So Trump fired Comey in the middle of his investigation into Trump.

This should be interesting.


From a quick reading of the ABC News version of the story, it looks like this was related to last week's inaccurate testimony. If so, he kinda provided the rope for his own hanging.

JonInMiddleGA 05-09-2017 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3159378)
Will the GOP in congress finally say no?
Doubtful.


Only at their own peril I would figure. I'm seeing a consistent tone of "well FINALLY" and "it's about time" from the right on my social media.

Failure to indict HRC seems to be lingering on a lot of hearts & minds where he's concerned I guess.

Jas_lov 05-09-2017 05:20 PM

Coney had to go. He broke protocol to influence the outcome of an election. Why didn't Obama do this a long time ago?

JPhillips 05-09-2017 05:22 PM

So the guy that listened to a Lock Her Up chant at his 100 days rally now fires the FBI Director for being too mean to Clinton?

Bullshit.

Toddzilla 05-09-2017 05:27 PM

So Trump has now fired 3 people who were directly investigating him, the Director of the FBI, the acting Attorney General, and the US Attorney of NY.

But at least Comey will get replaced by someone honest and non-partisan.

JonInMiddleGA 05-09-2017 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3159387)
So the guy that listened to a Lock Her Up chant at his 100 days rally now fires the FBI Director for being too mean to Clinton?
Bullshit.


No, that's not what I said (if that was meant for me). I said that his recent testimony was inaccurate, which was the key point highlighted in the breaking version of the story I read. That wasn't my take, that was what was being pointed out by a decidedly not-pro-Trump organization.

I've seen, since that post, the impetus being described as "The Attorney General's office made the recommendation to fire the FBI director to the President based on Comey's announcement back in July of last year the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails was closed. The Attorney General's office says that wasn't Comey's call to make."

Now if that is the case, I'm not sure why they waited unless the more recent bit of rope he provided (as described by ABC News) pushed the button.

PilotMan 05-09-2017 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3159393)
I'm not sure why they waited......


This seems to be a theme with this administration.

jeff061 05-09-2017 06:25 PM

Trump and his corrupt team was just looking for an excuse to help beat back everyone that will accuse him of simply firing someone else that's investigating him. Which will hopefully not work.

As for Comey, I don't think he was working to help either side of the aisle, he's just a completly incompetent dunce that loves the spot light. Not a great combination.

JonInMiddleGA 05-09-2017 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061 (Post 3159403)
As for Comey, I don't think he was working to help either side of the aisle, he's just a completly incompetent dunce that loves the spot light. Not a great combination.


I'm not even sold on the notion that he craves the spotlight insomuch as he was simply overmatched by the job. He kept trying to do -- if I'm being generous -- the right thing ... he just couldn't quite figure out definitively what that was.

JonInMiddleGA 05-09-2017 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3159397)
This seems to be a theme with this administration.


I'm not at all sure that there isn't a long game there ... in this case I just don't really see what it is.

There is at least one possible "escape hatch" that I can see possibly for the odd thing about this (supposedly? reportedly?) being based on an AG recommendation.

Sessions was confirmed on Feb 8th. Let's be generous (just work with me here, as an exercise if nothing else) and say it took him a week or two to get various things moving, another 4-6 weeks to review Comey's conduct. That could put things at mid/late April for that recommendation to have been made.

Would it be that unreasonable for the chief executive to give such a thing a week's worth of consideration? Something like last week's testimony (if I have the timing of that right) could then conceivably be the sort of last straw that tipped the scales for agreeing with the recommendation.

If, on the other hand, the recommendation was made weeks or months ago but was only now acted on, the timeline gets harder to situate.

Edward64 05-09-2017 07:01 PM

I'm generally okay with Comey being let go but reserve final judgement until I know who the proposed replacement is. I really don't think the investigation can be shut down.

If this is Trump's version of Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre, I'm looking forward to the drama playing out.

Ben E Lou 05-09-2017 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3159407)
I'm not even sold on the notion that he craves the spotlight insomuch as he was simply overmatched by the job.

Yeah. I think he was fine with the run-of-the-mill stuff, but when the stakes got higher, he tended to bungle things.

Flasch186 05-09-2017 08:08 PM

My impeachment bet is looking good in the preseason.

AENeuman 05-09-2017 08:27 PM

Mostly because I'm watching house of cards, but I think they were waiting if/when senate went nuclear. Now they can confirm a much more sympathetic director without a filibuster

RainMaker 05-09-2017 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3159378)
Will the GOP in congress finally say no?

Doubtful.


Not sure there is a set of testicles in the bunch.

PilotMan 05-09-2017 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3159498)
Not sure there is a set of testicles in the bunch.


Talking about the Senate committee working on the Health Care Bill again?

CrimsonFox 05-09-2017 09:23 PM

I see Trump fired Comey. In Werewolf terms, that is called "bussing"

bronconick 05-09-2017 09:26 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politi...sia/index.html

RainMaker 05-09-2017 09:30 PM

The leaks that will come out will sure be something.

digamma 05-09-2017 09:31 PM

What a shit show.

whomario 05-09-2017 10:02 PM

Dicatorship 101.

bronconick 05-09-2017 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3159409)
I'm not at all sure that there isn't a long game there ... in this case I just don't really see what it is.

There is at least one possible "escape hatch" that I can see possibly for the odd thing about this (supposedly? reportedly?) being based on an AG recommendation.

Sessions was confirmed on Feb 8th. Let's be generous (just work with me here, as an exercise if nothing else) and say it took him a week or two to get various things moving, another 4-6 weeks to review Comey's conduct. That could put things at mid/late April for that recommendation to have been made.

Would it be that unreasonable for the chief executive to give such a thing a week's worth of consideration? Something like last week's testimony (if I have the timing of that right) could then conceivably be the sort of last straw that tipped the scales for agreeing with the recommendation.

If, on the other hand, the recommendation was made weeks or months ago but was only now acted on, the timeline gets harder to situate.


Bill Kristol‏Verified account @BillKristol 4h4 hours ago




Rod Rosenstein has been Deputy AG two weeks. That's a pretty short time for him to have done the work to make so serious a "recommendation."


Bill Kristol‏Verified account @BillKristol 4h4 hours ago





The Rosenstein memo is dated...today. So there was no real recommendation from DOJ. Trump wanted to do it, and they created a paper trail.

SirFozzie 05-09-2017 10:23 PM

And even the most HFC of the HFC is aghast:

GOP's Amash calls for independent commission on Russia after Comey’s firing | TheHill

edit: They didn't think it was going to be a big deal. Apparently, they're the only ones who thought so.

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/862090285584498688

stevew 05-10-2017 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AENeuman (Post 3159461)
Mostly because I'm watching house of cards, but I think they were waiting if/when senate went nuclear. Now they can confirm a much more sympathetic director without a filibuster


Probably this.

Jas_lov 05-10-2017 06:08 AM

He could nominate Guliani. Not sure if he'd get through even with 51 votes. It has to be someone with no ties to Trump or some senators like McCain and Graham might not go along.

JPhillips 05-10-2017 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3159583)
He could nominate Guliani. Not sure if he'd get through even with 51 votes. It has to be someone with no ties to Trump or some senators like McCain and Graham might not go along.


lol

GOP moderates always do what they are told to do. I'm sure Graham and McCain will be very concerned while they cast their Yes votes.

digamma 05-10-2017 07:33 AM

Meanwhile Trump is just spending the morning retweeting Drudge.

Easy Mac 05-10-2017 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3159594)
Meanwhile Trump is just spending the morning retweeting Drudge.


This is who 46% of the country wanted to be President.:banghead:


Logan 05-10-2017 07:58 AM

It's disgusting how anyone attempts to rationalize this. If this happened in some far off eastern European place, we'd be mocking them and pointing out how uncivilized their country is.

Logan 05-10-2017 08:26 AM

How does this stay up for over an hour?



Bee 05-10-2017 08:39 AM

Wouldn't Cardiac Care Network be CCN?

SirFozzie 05-10-2017 08:55 AM

I'll take Bad Optics for $400, Alex:

Tom Namako (@TomNamako) | Twitter

Easy Mac 05-10-2017 08:58 AM

In Soviet Russia, America laughing stock.


Oh.. wait, that's not a joke anymore.

Logan 05-10-2017 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bee (Post 3159614)
Wouldn't Cardiac Care Network be CCN?


Precisely friend.

digamma 05-10-2017 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan (Post 3159621)
Precisely friend.


That's ol' Duck Hunter for ya.

Easy Mac 05-10-2017 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3159622)
That's ol' Duck Hunter for ya.


Still only the second dumbest thing a member of that family said yesterday.

White House spokesperson: 'Time to move on' from Russia probes | TheHill

Atocep 05-10-2017 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3159410)
I'm generally okay with Comey being let go but reserve final judgement until I know who the proposed replacement is. I really don't think the investigation can be shut down.

If this is Trump's version of Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre, I'm looking forward to the drama playing out.



Shut down? No. Being able to stall and get it put on the back burner? Quite possibly and that's almost as good as shutting it down.

No matter what excuse was used to fire Comey it came down to the Russian investigation. Every time it picks up any steam Trump goes on a twitter tantrum trying to point fingers elsewhere and his latest was a couple days before firing Comey.

Until Republicans grow a spine and start calling Trump on his bullshit he's just going to continue doing what he wants.

AlexB 05-10-2017 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan (Post 3159607)
It's disgusting how anyone attempts to rationalize this. If this happened in some far off eastern European place, we'd be mocking them and pointing out how uncivilized their country is.


This is the UK's general take on it TBH

Easy Mac 05-10-2017 11:04 AM

What do you think Trump's phone call to Roger Stone was like this morning when he asked Stone to deny they speak on the phone?

ISiddiqui 05-10-2017 11:29 AM

Oh shit...

Cookies are Not Accepted - New York Times

Quote:

Days before he was fired, James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, asked the Justice Department for a significant increase in money and personnel for the bureau’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the presidential election, according to three congressional officials who were briefed on his request.

Butter 05-10-2017 11:47 AM

I'm torn. Comey is clearly an idiot. But this is a historically bad time for him to get fired.

They need a special prosecutor for this. But someone who can bring the full investigative power and weight of all of our investigative agencies to bear.

I have no idea how this happens, but it doesn't surprise me that Trump did this.

Easy Mac 05-10-2017 11:54 AM

Meanwhile

West Virginia journalist arrested after asking HHS Secretary Tom Price a question - The Washington Post

Easy Mac 05-10-2017 11:55 AM

Remember the good old days when an argument against electing Hillary was that we didn't want to have to deal with months of congressional hearings and special investigations.

NobodyHere 05-10-2017 01:45 PM


And of course

Woman faces up to a year in prison for laughing during Jeff Sessions hearing

mckerney 05-10-2017 01:46 PM

The Deputy White House Press Secretary said today that James Comey committed atrocities so it sounds like Trump may have managed to crack the case of The Bowling Green Massacre.

mckerney 05-10-2017 01:56 PM

Oh, and the Deputy Press Secretary did the press briefing today because Sean Spicer didn't come in today after hiding behind bushes yesterday to avoid the press.

Easy Mac 05-10-2017 02:13 PM

Well, since the Holocaust didn't actually happen, its clear that Comey's actions are the worst in human history.

tarcone 05-10-2017 04:08 PM

Imagine what our government could do if they put as much energuy in helping people as they do trying to win

Radii 05-10-2017 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3159703)
Imagine what our government could do if they put as much energuy in helping people as they do trying to win


I definitely agree that if the Trump Administration was full of people with good hearts and good will instead of people who constantly lie about their involvement with a foreign government that spent large amounts of resources interfering in our election process (the trying to win part) that we would all be better off, even if we had some disagreements in how to accomplish things.

Comey 05-10-2017 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3159645)
I'm torn. Comey is clearly an idiot. But this is a historically bad time for him to get fired.



He's a great lawyer, but an awful politician. It doesn't play well for FBI Director...but when he was acting Attorney General, he was fantastic.

(I don't say that because of my namesake.)

RainMaker 05-10-2017 06:00 PM

Russian State Media allowed into the White House with all their equipmemt. US press not allowed.

America first!

bronconick 05-10-2017 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3159645)
I'm torn. Comey is clearly an idiot. But this is a historically bad time for him to get fired.

They need a special prosecutor for this. But someone who can bring the full investigative power and weight of all of our investigative agencies to bear.

I have no idea how this happens, but it doesn't surprise me that Trump did this.


McConnell already said no to that, and Paul Ryan didn't find anything about special prosecutors under Ayn Rand's books, so he probably doesn't know how it would be done.

digamma 05-10-2017 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3159674)
Oh, and the Deputy Press Secretary did the press briefing today because Sean Spicer didn't come in today after hiding behind bushes yesterday to avoid the press.


I laughed hard at the bushes thing yesterday too, but in seriousness, I think it is great and admirable that Spicer still serves in the Navy Reserves and has regular duties.

Atocep 05-10-2017 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3159748)
Russian State Media allowed into the White House with all their equipmemt. US press not allowed.

America first!


We're just getting trolled at this point right?

PilotMan 05-10-2017 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3159750)
I laughed hard at the bushes thing yesterday too, but in seriousness, I think it is great and admirable that Spicer still serves in the Navy Reserves and has regular duties.


I read that and thought I was reading satire. I had to double check the article because I couldn't believe that hiding in the bushes was an actual thing.

JPhillips 05-11-2017 06:42 AM

Trump invents the phrase "priming the pump."

Quote:

But beyond that it’s OK if the tax plan increases the deficit?
It is OK, because it won’t increase it for long. You may have two years where you’ll… you understand the expression “prime the pump”?
Yes.
We have to prime the pump.
It’s very Keynesian.
We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world. Have you heard that expression before, for this particular type of an event?
Priming the pump?
Yeah, have you heard it?
Yes.
Have you heard that expression used before? Because I haven’t heard it. I mean, I just… I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good. It’s what you have to do.

Butter 05-11-2017 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3159645)
I'm torn. Comey is clearly an idiot.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Comey (Post 3159745)
He's a great lawyer, but an awful politician. It doesn't play well for FBI Director...but when he was acting Attorney General, he was fantastic.

(I don't say that because of my namesake.)


Yeah, I was actually talking about you.

BOOM, ROASTED, etc. etc. :p

Comey 05-11-2017 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3159885)
Yeah, I was actually talking about you.

BOOM, ROASTED, etc. etc. :p


That cut deep. ;)

We're relatives on different branches. I guess I just wanted to be clear in my fefejse of him. A repirt said he has been considered as someone who tried to do what he felt was right, without regard to the consequences for himself. That's pretty accurate, and why he's out.

As an aside, my rarely used Twitter handle @jcomey has been mistaken, on several occasions, as the account of the former director. I was told I gut-checked America, and many called for my resignation...from the FBI. I have also been tweeted at with Hillary. And Trump. Recently, people tweeted at me, Trump, Preet Bharara and Sally Yates. And Putin.

I'm looking forward to getting back to the twitter private life, and using it just to get more entries to win a Best Buy gift card.

larrymcg421 05-11-2017 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3159749)
McConnell already said no to that, and Paul Ryan didn't find anything about special prosecutors under Ayn Rand's books, so he probably doesn't know how it would be done.


Even if there was stuff about special prosecutors in Ayn Rand's books, he'd just look past that like he does with her anti-religious views.

digamma 05-11-2017 08:56 AM

Hard to come up with a worse day for the Trump presidency than yesterday at this point. At least three different stories regarding the reasoning for the Comey firing (1. at the behest of the DAG, 2. Trump lost confidence over several months, 3. Russia investigation expanding), the Russians in the White House, and being either duped or intentionally allowing Russian press coverage, and Trump hiring outside counsel to respond to Lindsay Graham's business inquiries. But hey, he thrives in chaos and not letting others know what he is thinking, right?

Easy Mac 05-11-2017 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3159899)
Hard to come up with a worse day for the Trump presidency than yesterday at this point. At least three different stories regarding the reasoning for the Comey firing (1. at the behest of the DAG, 2. Trump lost confidence over several months, 3. Russia investigation expanding), the Russians in the White House, and being either duped or intentionally allowing Russian press coverage, and Trump hiring outside counsel to respond to Lindsay Graham's business inquiries. But hey, he thrives in chaos and not letting others know what he is thinking, right?



cuervo72 05-11-2017 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3159899)
regarding the reasoning for the Comey firing (1. at the behest of the DAG, 2. Trump lost confidence over several months, 3. Russia investigation expanding)


There's this little nugget on that:

Quote:

Rosenstein threatened to resign after the narrative emerging from the White House on Tuesday evening cast him as a prime mover of the decision to fire Comey and that the president acted only on his recommendation, said the person close to the White House, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

Inside Trump’s anger and impatience — and his sudden decision to fire Comey - The Washington Post

I know, anonymous sources and all that.

JPhillips 05-11-2017 09:15 AM

Trump is pledging to release a "certified letter" that will prove their are no Russian connections.

So that's that, I guess.

digamma 05-11-2017 09:33 AM

Can't link the twitters from here, but Trump is apparently preparing to hang a giant county by county election results map in the West Wing. So his response to all of this is simply: Scoreboard.

PilotMan 05-11-2017 09:37 AM

I love that people can keep pounding on the Russia thing and he just keeps going and going and going. I keep waiting for him to revive the Lock Her Up chant and start screaming Bengahzi at the press.

digamma 05-11-2017 09:38 AM

He knows how to play the hits. Rick Dees would be proud.

QuikSand 05-11-2017 09:42 AM

A few caveats. I don't know what qualifications this dude has to make this assessment. I'm not vouching for him. And he is undoubtedly vulnerable to the standard ad hominem "Brooklyn hipster" attack, which we have seen here before. But, with that in mind...

David Roberts on Twitter: "OK, y'all, time for some game theory. Ha ha, jk. It's actually time for some theory of mind! Gigantic tweetstorm to follow. Brace thyself."

Reading the full tweet storm (which is what passes for writing these days I guess) I confess I find this to be basically the most compelling assessment of what Trump really is/thinks. I am guilty of being one of those who have been trying to glean insight into his tactics, and trying to sort out the whole stupid/savvy thing. But reading this, I find it the most persuasive summary of him -- he's basically a goldfish.

miked 05-11-2017 10:13 AM

Why is this unmasking thing a big deal? If you are talking with a known spy about things that are relevant to our country/government, shouldn't the requisite agencies know who you are? I mean, everything from the R's seems to be about the unmasking, nothing about the actual stuff going on with Russia.

Easy Mac 05-11-2017 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3159906)
Can't link the twitters from here, but Trump is apparently preparing to hang a giant county by county election results map in the West Wing. So his response to all of this is simply: Scoreboard.


Its not often that people hang things in their office that show how they lost.

It would make more sense to hang an electoral college map.

QuikSand 05-11-2017 10:20 AM

The bright red county-by-county map is always visually appealing to the red team, regardless of what it "means." If we voted by acre, we could just cancel elections.

PilotMan 05-11-2017 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3159917)
A few caveats. I don't know what qualifications this dude has to make this assessment. I'm not vouching for him. And he is undoubtedly vulnerable to the standard ad hominem "Brooklyn hipster" attack, which we have seen here before. But, with that in mind...

David Roberts on Twitter: "OK, y'all, time for some game theory. Ha ha, jk. It's actually time for some theory of mind! Gigantic tweetstorm to follow. Brace thyself."

Reading the full tweet storm (which is what passes for writing these days I guess) I confess I find this to be basically the most compelling assessment of what Trump really is/thinks. I am guilty of being one of those who have been trying to glean insight into his tactics, and trying to sort out the whole stupid/savvy thing. But reading this, I find it the most persuasive summary of him -- he's basically a goldfish.


Which goes hand in hand with a diagnosis of Narcissism that he's been given. As it relates to ToM and his opinion that he only goes on instinct in the moment and what feels good to him and his desire to dominate:

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When it comes to narcissism and their ability to read others, we have to note several things. First, narcissists are good at reading certain things about people, like all predators they can see the weaknesses in others. They don't always see if they are hurting the other person, because that isn't important, what they want is to subjugate the other person, make them into an emotional slave who will cater to their wishes.

Easy Mac 05-11-2017 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3159931)
The bright red county-by-county map is always visually appealing to the red team, regardless of what it "means." If we voted by acre, we could just cancel elections.


Of course, from an optics standpoint it looks prettier, but its a lie if you actually look into what its counting... which, I guess doesn't really matter to him.

PilotMan 05-11-2017 10:52 AM

How is it that the "master negotiator" was "tricked" by the Russians over the whole photog incident? I mean, it's arguably one of the more embarrassing incidents of this Presidency. If it was Hillary that this happened to, Trump would be all over Twitter talking how she was weak and just gave in on everything and that she is a joke of a President.

jeff061 05-11-2017 10:57 AM

Well, at least his voters can take solice in the fact that their plan to piss off libtards by voting him into office worked.

Totally worth it.

mckerney 05-11-2017 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3159884)
Trump invents the phrase "priming the pump."


I haven't heard of it, I mean I just came up with it...


mckerney 05-11-2017 12:16 PM

Shortly after the White House says Trump fired Comey because of the recommendations of the AG and Deputy AG...



Rosenstein Pressed White House to Correct the Record on Comey Firing
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WASHINGTON—Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein pressed White House counsel Don McGahn to correct what he felt was an inaccurate White House depiction of the events surrounding FBI Director James Comey’s firing, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

Mr. Rosenstein left the impression that he couldn’t work in an environment where facts weren’t accurately reported, the person said. The deputy attorney general objected to statements by White House aides citing Mr. Rosenstein’s critical assessment of Mr.Comey’s job performance to justify the firing.

Easy Mac 05-11-2017 03:25 PM

The deputy press secretary said she heard from countless people in the FBI that they were grateful for Comey's firing. She then ends that thought by saying she doesn't know that many people in the FBI.

Do they just grow them stupid or did they actively seek these people out?

PilotMan 05-11-2017 04:07 PM

There are some priceless quotes in this Time article:

http://time.com/4775040/donald-trump...ing-president/

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But in a short period of time I understood everything there was to know about health care.

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Hey, I know when I’m successful. I know victory, okay.

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It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said–and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said what system are you going to be–"Sir, we’re staying with digital." I said no you’re not. You going to goddamned steam, the digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money and it’s no good.

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Me, I invite people in. ... And it means something, the Oval Office. It means something to them. I’m telling you I’ve had big people, some of the biggest business people, you’ve seen it. They go in they’re like, they can’t believe it. And I’ve seen them cry. It’s weird.

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See, there wasn’t a second attempt. There was only one attempt. There was a mistake, was we set a date. Now had we not set that date, we would have had one time. What we did was we started off and it changed until three or four days ago when it got passed. But we set a date. And when we didn’t vote, everyone said Trump fails with health care.

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You know we’ve gotten billions of dollars more in NATO than hat we’re getting. All because of me. I mean it’s not like a bragging thing, I’m just saying. If Hillary Clinton would have gotten in, she wouldn’t even know that we’re getting screwed by everybody.


This one is just the best.
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We have kids leaving this country because they’re so damned good at the internet, ISIS, they’re better at the internet than Google.

mckerney 05-11-2017 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3159998)
The deputy press secretary said she heard from countless people in the FBI that they were grateful for Comey's firing. She then ends that thought by saying she doesn't know that many people in the FBI.

Do they just grow them stupid or did they actively seek these people out?


And then there was this part.

White House: Removing Comey will help bring Russia investigation to end

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The White House said Thursday that removing FBI Director James Comey from his post may hasten the agency's investigation into Russian meddling.

"We want this to come to its conclusion, we want it to come to its conclusion with integrity," said deputy press secretary Sarah Sanders, referring to the FBI's probe into Moscow's interference in last year's election. "And we think that we've actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen."

The statement was a surprising admission from the White House that Comey's sudden dismissal on Tuesday may have an effect on the Russia probe. Officials have insisted the removal came because of Comey's handling of an investigation into Hillary Clinton's email server, and was unrelated to his oversight of the look into Russia's election hacking and possible ties between Trump advisers and Russian operatives.

digamma 05-11-2017 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3160012)
There are some priceless quotes in this Time article:

http://time.com/4775040/donald-trump...ing-president/


This one is just the best.


Gonna nominate this one too:


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You know I have a lot of respect for President Xi [Jinping]. I have great respect for him. I think we have a very good mutual liking of each other. And I told you we had tremendous dialogue at Mar-a-Lago.

And Mar-a-Lago is a great place for the dialogue because there’s a warmth to Mar-a-Lago that you just don’t find anywhere else. You can sit down in a chair and just talk for hours. Where in some places you don’t have that.

And this is great. I mean it’s very different. But you don’t have that here. It’s not the same. It’s great in a different way.


Yeah, let's turn a question about China into a two paragraph ad for my private club.

Shkspr 05-11-2017 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3159931)
The bright red county-by-county map is always visually appealing to the red team, regardless of what it "means." If we voted by acre, we could just cancel elections.


I wish I had a job with access to this board in the WH just so I could surreptitiously put a post-it note on the map pointing to Wyoming or someplace with the caption "Nobody lives here." Every damn day.


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