This is what happens when you're managing the toddler in chief.

I should add that he said ISIS was 100% defeated the other day. So no reason why they can't come home.

What!? And just ignore the threat of the ISIS zombie apocalypse? Are you nuts!

Armageddon is southwest of where this fighting is happening.

The last book of the new testament says Armageddon is where the final battle happens.

And it talks about forces from the North, south, east and west.

Russia and Turkey are the north. Iran is the east (and china) we are the west. and Saudi will be the south

Better hope this shit resolves or we may be talking end times.

Believe in the bible or not, its happening right now.

:rolleyes:

Trump has informed Congress that Turkey's invasion is a national emergency and he's ordered tariffs against Turkish steel and other sanctions.

Good fucking luck figuring out our national policies.

Getting impeachment news off the front page. That's it. That's our national policy.

For one, it wouldn't be based on what russia wants...

Is that where Harry Potter fought Voldemort?

Make fun all you want. But if/when it happens you MFers are going to be struggling with a shitty reality.

You cannot really believe this was that random of an event that we are here, right?

One in a multiple trillion or intelligent design? Hmmmm what is more believable?

The universe is so massive that as long as there's a mathematical chance of something happening, anything happening, that probability says that it's more than likely happening somewhere.

Riiiigggghhtt.We just happened to evolve multiple beings from a pool of sludge that cannot be replicated. Sure and man didnt land on the moon and pigeons arent real, Reagan killed those birds in 86 and replaced them with drones.

The chances you speak of are so miniscule and unbelievable that is laughable you believe it.

Its more likely aliens seeded this planet than the random bullshit you believe.

Do you think this is the first battle being fought in that region?

No but I believe Trump or Putin is the anti-christ. Or one is coming.

So I believe the Bible, which has a pretty accurate account of history in it, and seems to give us prophecy pretty well also. Or do i believe a bunch of dudes who think we came from a pool of sludge?

I dont know. Seems like Im onto something.

List of wars involving Israel - Wikipedia

^ at least 4 of these wars, covering only a single country, from only the last 60+ years meet the criteria you think are 1 in a million.

Leaders, leaders, leaders.

Its not the wars. Its the leaders in the world.

The late 60s and early 70s were about getting rid of the Isreali state. I get it.

But these leaders today and the world situation is a different thing.

Prophecy is a thing.

Do not discount the realiuty we live in. You guys think Trump is the devil, but wont acknowledge when he sets up the game.

One or the other.

Much of the end of the world stuff is a product of the 19th century, and isn't in any way definitive. Even if you only look at Revelation, the place isn't clear, with Megiddo maybe meaning a Palestinian city, but maybe also just being symbolic of a place where God defeats his enemies.

Now I do worry about people trying to push us towards an end of the world cataclysm, but I don't worry about God destroying most of us.

Does this mean we're getting another shitty Kirk Cameron movie?

First off keep it in church man.
Second off, calling non believers of your religious views “Mfers” tells me all I need to know about those beliefs.

John wrote Revelations in prison. It was prophecy given to him by God. It was not written in the 19th century.

Believe what you want, but you will be wrong.

Armageddon is a place not a thing or a time. And that is where it all goes down. But there will be 7 years of peace before it. At least world peace. Christians will be executed for evangelizing. Sound familiar?

So is the end times or the beginning of the end times?

Does this latest war signify the beginning of the end where people get sick of war and embrace a world leader.? Seems plausible.

These are scary times. Who would have thought Turkey would invade Syria? And Russia would oppose?

Who would have thought the Saudis and Iran would get away from their proxy war and start shooting at each other?

Whats next?

Dude, Im stuck here with you. When Christ calls his believers home Im screwed. Im a damn fine sinner.

Read the Bible. It is a historical account of us. I know you think it is fiction, but its not.

So it is true in its past, it must be true in its future.

Or we just came from a pool of sludge.

Duh.

You think Trump is more evil, in the bible's terms, than Adolf Hitler, Moamar Gadaffi or Saddam Hussein? Just because many of us believe Trump is the worst American president certainly doesn't put him in the category of murderous foreign dictators. It also seems worth mentioning that we're only talking about the last 100 years and there are 1900 more years of leaders you're not accounting for. I think your perspective is skewed. Consider that there are millions and millions of Christians who don't live in America, and Donald Trump has zero direct influence on their lives.

tarcone, go take your fight to someone who really cares or wants to listen or argue that stuff. I'm not taking away from you what you want to believe, but science is far more on my side than yours in this one.

Points well taken.

But the Middle east is more crazy then ever. In the 30s, 40s, and 50s it was a bunch of tribes bumbling around. Int he 60 and 70s it was a bunch of arabs with different beliefs hating on the Isrealites.

Now its the Turks and Russians battling in syria. Well, what is next? Israeli is next.

Iran and the Saudis will spill over into that with the Turks an Russia.

At no time in history have we had such a divrse and antagonistic batch of folks with lots of power fighting in the Middle East.

Prove to me how man came about I dare you

Dude, you got nothing. Nothing at all.

Wow, great response. So is that how man came about? Science? Or scientists discounting anything they cant prove, because they cant prove how man came about.

Come on man. Prove to me how we are here

Just because I'm not willing to be drawn into a conversation about the human condition, evolution and the science behind it tonight, doesn't mean that I'm wrong. A guy as determined to find the truth can motivate himself to look without too much difficulty.

You sound like a premillenial dispensationalist, and if so, that's a theology largely created in the 19th century. It's based on Revelation, but a lot of the beliefs aren't strictly spelled out in the Bible.

LOL.

Weak. Of course there is evolution. Micro evolution is a fact. Thats why humans are taller now than 100 years ago

But tell me how we cam about.

Your answer is sad. You dont want to talk evolution. I just agreed with you about evolution.

I want to know how man was formed. How did we come about? How did life on this planet come about? Why cant we replicate it?

Are you that stubborn in your beliefs you cant look at anything else bit your weak beliefs?

Shoot, I even suggested we were seeded by aliens. You wont even believe that.

How the hell did the Egyptians build those pyramids so precisely. According to science 100 years ago it was impossible.

Give me some answers.

Let's just say that at one point, I felt as you did. But going through the trauma of multiple drawn out miscarriages and the resulting bullshit that the church had to offer, coupled with the incredible hypocrisy of their belief system and I realized that organized religion and me were never coming back together again and that I felt incredible relief to be freed from it. I could finally be who I wanted to be and that was completely ok.

And.....


to the R's that are crying about "no rules" in the House inquiry--


Let's ask Merrick Garland for his opinion on how the rules work.

Sorry to hear that. Had a miscarriage myself.

And organized religion is a joke.

But the Bible had nothing to do with religion. It is a historical text as well as a text of what is to come.

Science is a man made creation. There is no reason for life on Earth except we were created by intelligent design.

Nothing else is provable. Nothing. Believe what you want. Feel free. But I believe in the Bible as it is historically correct and it has witnesses that are believable.

Are we at the end times? Sure seems close. But who knows. You and me and the others can make their peace with what ever they believe. But when the nukes start falling or the anti christ comes or Jesus comes, I hope we all made the right choice.

As a faithful Christian myself... I'm staying faaar away from this discussion.

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Science is an advanced series of logical problem solving exercises. Problem solving and learning shows itself across multiple living organisms on the planet and multiple species.


But it's laughable that your defense (view) of the Bible is as a historical text and that it has nothing to do with religion. At best....at best, it's a recounting of a verbal history, mixed with fables and fairy tales from multiple cultures, told after hundreds of years and passed down through generations.



If the Nukes start falling it's only because of the failures of our species. After all it was humans who gave them to civilization, not God.

Still traumatized by watching Thief in the Night back in middle school. Cause nothing says repent like Jesus and Guillotines.

(100% not making the stuff about beheadings up)

Back to what this thread is about (please):
Joe Scarborough on Twitter: "The best quote to come from L’Affaire Ukrainienne yet:

“I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up,� ~John Bolton

https://t.co/ospKuGdWze via @NYTimes"
Joe Scarborough on Twitter: "The best quote to come from L’Affaire Ukrainienne yet:

“I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up,� ~John Bolton

https://t.co/ospKuGdWze via @NYTimes"

I could show you a video but I'd probably get banned for it.

It can't be often in John Bolton's life that he was the least crazy guy in the room. Must have been a strange feeling for him.

If you are truly interested, a good resource is The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins. Does a good job of explaining how complex life forms could arise from simple life forms over eons. But I suspect you just want to lash out because we are living in a scary time in history. The Armageddon isn't coming any more than the comets are coming to free the true believers. But we could well destroy ourselves and the rest of life on our planet. We're good at destruction.

Intelligent design isn't provable either bud.

Btw, did the aliens come about by intelligent design too? Or were they from a pool of sludge?

I do believe there is a higher being. There is no "proof" just faith. Its pretty clear to me to humans evolved, I don't see a contradiction as I don't take the Bible literally (e.g. 6+1 days of creation, world wide flood etc.).

Its just as easy for me to believe that everything was in place for Big Bang to occur and over billions of years, life evolved without a creator. It's just always been. If you believe that a higher being was needed to create all this wonder, I can respect that. I would then ask who created the higher being?

Oh FFS not the brand of bullshit I come here for

:rolleyes:

I just want to know if Jesus rode a dinosaur.

What the literal fuck?

Apparently Erdogan can’t figure ‘em out either.


Ragıp Soylu on Twitter: "Erdogan complains that he cannot understand what Trump really wants anymore:

“We can no longer follow Trump’s tweets. We cannot track them. There is a stark change in his stance compared to last night�"

He should release his version/transcripts of the call.

You mean the actual full word for word, or just some stuff he told his transcriber to say? Cause it was already perfect.