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Dutch 08-31-2024 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3441067)


Kamala wants to build the wall.
Kamala wants no taxes on tips.
Kamala wants fracking.

Its all an upside down world, at least, superficially.

GrantDawg 08-31-2024 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3441086)
Kamala wants to build the wall.
Kamala wants no taxes on tips.
Kamala wants fracking.

Its all an upside down world, at least, superficially.



It is definitely all superficial. Both of their plans with no taxs on tips is silly and will never happen. Harris' plan on taxes for unrealized gains is also fanciful. Meanwhile Trump is never going to have a plan to pay for IVF. I'm sure that plan will be two weeks away like his health plan and his infrastructure plan.

RainMaker 08-31-2024 04:39 PM

It's almost like both sides have settled on right wing neoliberal policies and just use a few wedge issues to act like they're really different from one another.

And yes I'm aware how important an FCC spot is to some of you but they have little power and don't do much.

Danny 08-31-2024 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441088)
It's almost like both sides have settled on right wing neoliberal policies and just use a few wedge issues to act like they're really different from one another.

And yes I'm aware how important an FCC spot is to some of you but they have little power and don't do much.


The thing i feel you continue to not understand, is a president is more than their policies. Yes you may be correct that four years of either may not turn out that differently from a policy standpoint. But it absolutely matters in the general forward progress of the country and the treatment of anyone who isnt white, Christian, and male or falls onto the maga beliefs.

RainMaker 08-31-2024 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3441089)
The thing i feel you continue to not understand, is a president is more than their policies. Yes you may be correct that four years of either may not turn out that differently from a policy standpoint. But it absolutely matters in the general forward progress of the country and the treatment of anyone who isnt white, Christian, and male or falls onto the maga beliefs.


The current administration is doing an ethnic cleansing right now. They also fully support Trump's draconian immigration policy against Hispanics. Not sure the "treatment of non-whites" is anything more than some carefully crafted statements and meaningless political stunts.

RainMaker 08-31-2024 07:52 PM

I wonder if the Harris campaign just has an endless supply of these things that they'll trickle out till the election.


bronconick 08-31-2024 07:59 PM

It's probably all the stuff Tim Ryan didn't use since he ran as a Republican-Lite against Vance.

Lathum 08-31-2024 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441102)
The current administration is doing an ethnic cleansing right now. They also fully support Trump's draconian immigration policy against Hispanics. Not sure the "treatment of non-whites" is anything more than some carefully crafted statements and meaningless political stunts.


you act like Biden is sending the national guard into Dearborn to kill Muslim newborns. Do you have a flare for the dramatic in everything you do because I would love to party

RainMaker 08-31-2024 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3441108)
you act like Biden is sending the national guard into Dearborn to kill Muslim newborns. Do you have a flare for the dramatic in everything you do because I would love to party


He is funding and coordinating a genocide. It would not happen without our support. It is one of the most despicable things this country has ever done. It's not dramatic to you because you don't view Palestinians as people just like most Democrats in power.

If you are willing to carry out a genocide, you are probably not the bastion of inclusiveness that you're trying to portray the party as.

Lathum 08-31-2024 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441109)
He is funding and coordinating a genocide. It would not happen without our support. It is one of the most despicable things this country has ever done. It's not dramatic to you because you don't view Palestinians as people just like most Democrats in power.

If you are willing to carry out a genocide, you are probably not the bastion of inclusiveness that you're trying to portray the party as.


I'm sure a Trump administration would welcome the Palestinian people with open arms....

RainMaker 08-31-2024 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3441113)
I'm sure a Trump administration would welcome the Palestinian people with open arms....


That's not a defense of the genocide you support.

Lathum 08-31-2024 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441114)
That's not a defense of the genocide you support.


It is downright comical that you think things would be different under another administration

RainMaker 08-31-2024 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3441116)
It is downright comical that you think things would be different under another administration


I never said it would be different. I'm pointing out the absurdity of assuming a party actively committing an ethnic cleansing is somehow more tolerant of minorities.

It would be identical, except liberals will be appalled at it. And we probably wouldn't waste a bunch of money on PR stunts like the pier. It's like arguing whether Hitler or Goebbels is better for the Jews in Nazi Germany. There is no "lesser of two evils" with genocide.

albionmoonlight 09-01-2024 08:19 AM

Do you know who probably needs to be asked some questions? Whoever was running the ops campaign for JD Vances’sSenate opponent. It turns out there are a lot of videos and podcasts of him out there saying really weird stuff about childless women. Stuff that might’ve actually resonated in a Senate campaign for anyone taking 10 minutes to look for them.

Ksyrup 09-01-2024 08:40 AM

Yep. Not quite to the level of "where was Santos' opponent's campaign research," but come ON.

NobodyHere 09-01-2024 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3441124)
Do you know who probably needs to be asked some questions? Whoever was running the ops campaign for JD VancessSenate opponent. It turns out there are a lot of videos and podcasts of him out there saying really weird stuff about childless women. Stuff that mightve actually resonated in a Senate campaign for anyone taking 10 minutes to look for them.


Tim Ryan was too busy throwing footballs at TVs and trying to pretend he wasn't a Democrat.

Sweed 09-01-2024 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441118)
I never said it would be different. I'm pointing out the absurdity of assuming a party actively committing an ethnic cleansing is somehow more tolerant of minorities.

It would be identical, except liberals will be appalled at it. And we probably wouldn't waste a bunch of money on PR stunts like the pier. It's like arguing whether Hitler or Goebbels is better for the Jews in Nazi Germany. There is no "lesser of two evils" with genocide.


Difference being the Jews in Germany/Europe/Russia were not attacking Germans, whether Nazis, military, or civilians. The Nazis (actual party members) and most Germans, for that matter ("we didn't know"? yeah ok), were not responding to attacks by Jews who had a goal of eliminating them. They just decided to kill all of the Jews as a matter of policy.

Maybe it's just me but I would say responding to an attack on civilians, like Oct 8, is a lesser of two evils. I'm sure your milage will vary.

RainMaker 09-01-2024 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 3441127)
Difference being the Jews in Germany/Europe/Russia were not attacking Germans, whether Nazis, military, or civilians. The Nazis (actual party members) and most Germans, for that matter ("we didn't know"? yeah ok), were not responding to attacks by Jews who had a goal of eliminating them. They just decided to kill all of the Jews as a matter of policy.

Maybe it's just me but I would say responding to an attack on civilians, like Oct 8, is a lesser of two evils. I'm sure your milage will vary.


This has gone on much longer than October 7th. Gaza is a concentration camp and many concentration camps in Nazi Germany had uprisings. So did ghettoized neighborhoods like in Warsaw. And this is absolutely policy in Israel. Just read what their leaders say. They all advocate for genocide. Now maybe that changes your opinion on what the Nazis did, but not for me.

And who is attacking Israel? Hamas? It's a group of 20-30k fighters based in Gaza. The tens of thousands of kids murdered in Gaza were not part of Hamas. Neither were the tens of thousands of women. Nor were humanitarian workers or journalists. And they're bombing the West Bank right now where Hamas has no power.

Anyway, my point is that you don't get to pretend the Democrats are the non-racist party when they are fully supporting an apartheid regime and funding a genocide. They view Palestinians the same was as Republicans, they'll just try to make the optics look a little better so people don't feel as bad about it.

RainMaker 09-01-2024 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3441126)
Tim Ryan was too busy throwing footballs at TVs and trying to pretend he wasn't a Democrat.


Such a baffling campaign since Sherrod Brown is the blueprint for winning Ohio as a Democrat. I get moderating on some issues in those states but if you're going to run as a Republican, I think the voters will just vote for the actual Republican.

PilotMan 09-01-2024 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 3441127)
Difference being the Jews in Germany/Europe/Russia were not attacking Germans, whether Nazis, military, or civilians. The Nazis (actual party members) and most Germans, for that matter ("we didn't know"? yeah ok), were not responding to attacks by Jews who had a goal of eliminating them. They just decided to kill all of the Jews as a matter of policy.

Maybe it's just me but I would say responding to an attack on civilians, like Oct 8, is a lesser of two evils. I'm sure your milage will vary.



Not just you. It's the policy of the US, and our commitment to our allies. If our allies need to be allied, then their choices become our choices. It sucks that the Palestinians have been attacking Israel for like 50+ years, and now this happened. It's war, it sucks those people have been held captive by their leaders and that literal generations have been raised with no plan for how to move forward. People get the leadership they deserve. If Hamas is it, then they will bear the brunt of that. Whether that's fair, or right or not is rather irrelevant. It just is.



We could and should not have bankrolled this. But I think RM is wrong if he thinks they couldn't have done this without us assisting. They could have done it easily.

RainMaker 09-01-2024 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3441137)
People get the leadership they deserve. If Hamas is it, then they will bear the brunt of that. Whether that's fair, or right or not is rather irrelevant. It just is.



I think it's rather disgusting to believe that infants deserve to be bombed in any scenario. Most of the population wasn't even alive when Hamas took power and has no say in the government. Not to mention that actual Hamas fighters are a minuscule number of the Gazan population.

And Israel is currently doing this on the West Bank too as we speak, where Hamas is not in power. So this isn't just about Hamas.

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3441137)
But I think RM is wrong if he thinks they couldn't have done this without us assisting. They could have done it easily.


They literally tried this when Obama was in power and ran out of ammunition a month later and had to come crawling back for more handouts. We don't need a crystal ball to know how that scenario plays out.

bob 09-02-2024 07:28 AM

Someone help me out here because I dont have a firm grasp of Israeli law.

I keep seeing people say Netanyahu has to keep the war going or hell lose power and perhaps be persecuted. Are elections suspended right now or is it just a general voters wont change horse midstream thing?

Thanks in advance.

Sweed 09-02-2024 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441128)
This has gone on much longer than October 7th. Gaza is a concentration camp and many concentration camps in Nazi Germany had uprisings. So did ghettoized neighborhoods like in Warsaw. And this is absolutely policy in Israel. Just read what their leaders say. They all advocate for genocide. Now maybe that changes your opinion on what the Nazis did, but not for me.

And who is attacking Israel? Hamas? It's a group of 20-30k fighters based in Gaza. The tens of thousands of kids murdered in Gaza were not part of Hamas. Neither were the tens of thousands of women. Nor were humanitarian workers or journalists. And they're bombing the West Bank right now where Hamas has no power.

Anyway, my point is that you don't get to pretend the Democrats are the non-racist party when they are fully supporting an apartheid regime and funding a genocide. They view Palestinians the same was as Republicans, they'll just try to make the optics look a little better so people don't feel as bad about it.


The scale of comparing this to Nazi Germany is simply silly. The Nazis worked on exterminating Jews (and other groups too including the mentally ill) on a continental scale, Europe, and then expanded that into Asia by doing the same in Russia. There are no gas chambers in Gaza, nor selection lines where one goes left or right, no trains bringing in victims from far away countries that Israel has conquered. The Nazis industrialized killing with the goal of making it as efficient as possible. That wasn't enough though as they also tried to come up with ways to dispose of those millions upon millions of bodies so they could deny what they had done. Almost forgot to mention they also robbed the corpses of anything of value too. There's a lot more but how about we just leave it at etc. etc. etc. etc.

You mention what your point is, well here's mine. How about you stop pretending that what is going on in Israel and Gaza (yes Israel too) is anything like what went on in Europe and Asia due to the Nazis?

There are terrible things going on in Gaza and Israel on both sides. If you oppose US support through your tax dollars and want that stopped that's a valid position but I'm curious, does that make you an anti-Semite? I ask because you say the Dem party is racist because of their support of Israel. Personally I don't believe you want US support of Israel in this war stopped because you are anti-Semite. I also don't believe the Dem-party has supported Israel because they are a racist party. The reasons are not that simply defined.

dubb93 09-02-2024 10:02 AM

So, Trump went on Fox News and said he had every right to interfere in elections. I'm well aware that it doesn't matter what he says at this point but apparently, he's hitting that point as well.

RainMaker 09-02-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 3441164)
You mention what your point is, well here's mine. How about you stop pretending that what is going on in Israel and Gaza (yes Israel too) is anything like what went on in Europe and Asia due to the Nazis?


The scale is different but not the process. They've put Palestinians in large concentration camps and are now exterminating them. If there is another genocide you'd like to compare it to, that's fine.

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Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 3441164)
There are terrible things going on in Gaza and Israel on both sides. If you oppose US support through your tax dollars and want that stopped that's a valid position but I'm curious, does that make you an anti-Semite? I ask because you say the Dem party is racist because of their support of Israel. Personally I don't believe you want US support of Israel in this war stopped because you are anti-Semite. I also don't believe the Dem-party has supported Israel because they are a racist party. The reasons are not that simply defined.


Israel is a country, not a religion. I'm opposed to any theocratic ethnostate regardless of religion or the ethnicity. Just as my opposition to apartheid South Africa didn't mean I hated Christians.

As far as why they are supported, that's an opinion. They have immense lobbying power which does play a role. But both parties have shown their disdain for Muslims for decades. I'm guessing if a Muslim ally like Saudi Arabia was genociding white Christians, we would not be funding and defending it. And it's tough to say that a party isn't racist if they are actively engaging in an ethnic cleansing.

RainMaker 09-02-2024 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bob (Post 3441158)
Someone help me out here because I dont have a firm grasp of Israeli law.

I keep seeing people say Netanyahu has to keep the war going or hell lose power and perhaps be persecuted. Are elections suspended right now or is it just a general voters wont change horse midstream thing?

Thanks in advance.


It's both. They won't call for elections during a war (at least so far) and as long as he's Prime Minister, they can't send him to jail yet. It's why you're seeing him ignore all ceasefire talks and try to expand the war to Lebanon and Iran.

It's very similar to Trump (they both are extremely far right). They sort of need to be in power to avoid jail.

Israel also has a unique political system. There are a ton of parties but they don't have huge divide over major issues. They all openly support genocide and are similar on economic issues. The biggest divide is whether Orthodox Jews have to serve in the military, which is actually a huge issue in the country. Outside of that, there are just a lot of tiny parties with tiny issues they support. There is a party in the coalition that wants to abolish women from being able to read and write. A party that only cares about banning gay people. Parties focused on settlers. Even a party that is focused on all the Russians who immigrated.

Atocep 09-02-2024 03:19 PM

The Aurora, Colorado "gang" stuff is the perfect illustration of the right wing social media apparatus. Take the smallest kernel of truth and turn into something racist to fear monger over.

Brian Swartz 09-02-2024 06:55 PM

My solution to the political ads stuff is I don't watch TV, listen to the radio, etc. I don't miss any of it. -

Mota 09-02-2024 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3441179)
The Aurora, Colorado "gang" stuff is the perfect illustration of the right wing social media apparatus. Take the smallest kernel of truth and turn into something racist to fear monger over.


Is this actually happening? I've been reading about it on my "For You" tab on Twitter, which is filled with right wing crap. And now the Hell's Angels are coming to reclaim it, but no mainstream news sites are talking about it at all. I feel like it could easily be BS.

Atocep 09-02-2024 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3441188)
Is this actually happening? I've been reading about it on my "For You" tab on Twitter, which is filled with right wing crap. And now the Hell's Angels are coming to reclaim it, but no mainstream news sites are talking about it at all. I feel like it could easily be BS.


None of it is happening. From what I've gathered, a slum lord was notified the city was shutting down his apartments, for being a slumlord, and he posted or stated somewhere that these Vietnamese gangs are taking over his complexes and that's why they're shutting down. Right wing social media has run with it.

The cops actually had to go out and confirm this wasn't happening and all the city has really said that while there is concerns of gang activity in the area, that's not the case here, and the city is moving forward on closing the complexes.

Flasch186 09-02-2024 09:15 PM

The Aurora mayor did say some apartment complexes were run over with gangs but that the city had not been overall.


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Atocep 09-02-2024 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 3441193)
The Aurora mayor did say some apartment complexes were run over with gangs but that the city had not been overall.


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The police chief contradicted him and said there's gang activity in the area, but they haven't over run the complexes in question.

JPhillips 09-02-2024 10:07 PM

And the Hell's Angels thing isn't true, but there is a rally in CO over Labor Day.

Edward64 09-03-2024 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3441195)
The police chief contradicted him and said there's gang activity in the area, but they haven't over run the complexes in question.


I've seen reports from right wing media but also from ABC.

ABC article below did not address the specific video that started this talk, see embedded video.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/aurora-...agua/15255872/
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Video circulating on social media shows a group of men trying to break into an apartment unit on Sunday, August 18.

The footage, taken by the security camera of resident Edward Romero, shows several men carrying firearms in front of a door, with two of them appearing to force it open.

Romero told reporters the video was taken shortly before a shootout took place inside the apartment complex. Romero also said he has moved out since the incident occurred.


Instead of addressing the specific video, police are quoted below. I'm suspicious that the police did not address the specific video or Romero's statement about "force it (door) open". But then it could just be sloppy journalism.

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Morris continued, "I'm not saying that there's not gang members that don't live in this community, but what we're learning out here is that gang members have not taken over this complex. We've really made an effort to the last few days to just really ask the specific questions or the direct questions in terms of the gang activity and who's actually making sure that people aren't paying rent to gang leaders or gang members, that that's not happening. And we've discovered here today and yesterday talking to, you know, so many residents said that's not the case we've been talking about, and they've been sincere with this. We really believe that they are sincere with this and we're standing out here, and I can tell you that gang members have not taken over this apartment complex."


I want to know more about the video. It didn't seem the "gang members" rushed into the apartment to assault anymore when the door opened. The video cuts off soon after and there should be more video somewhere.

Anyone have more complete info, let us know.

Sweed 09-03-2024 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441174)

Israel is a country, not a religion.



One might think that was optics so people don't have to feel bad about being anti-Semitic. If it works for R's and D's against a group of people it can also work for the anti Israel crowd too.

Swaggs 09-03-2024 08:59 AM

If you want Harris to win, this is one of the best signs that I have seen to date: Harris campaign, DNC, announce unprecedented down-ballot spending

cuervo72 09-03-2024 10:42 AM

God's plan?

Doctors grapple with how to save women's lives amid 'confusion and angst' over new Louisiana law • Louisiana Illuminator

"A lifesaving drug used to stop postpartum hemorrhaging will be pulled off emergency response carts once it becomes a ‘controlled dangerous substance.’"

miami_fan 09-03-2024 11:19 AM

Is that the whole video that has been released or is there more video that is public?

If not, then there are a lot of leaps being made.

What is it about the video indicates that these men are linked to Tren de Aragua as opposed to some other gang? Not saying it is better if it was another gang but the fact that Tren De Aragua is the trendy gang name of the moment seems relevant.

Anyways, here is article about the apartments the Mayor now says are overrun by the gangs that came out before this video.

Access to this page has been denied

It even has a statement from Mayor Coffman after the city shut down one of the buildings.

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The property is run by CBZ Management, which has tried to pin the problems on crime and claims Venezuelan gang activity is to blame but the mayor said that argument is specious

Its a little late to play the Venezuelan gang card. Certainly, there are other parts of the city that were looking at, that were concerned about that. But the problems in this building certainly precede any problems with Venezuelan gangs, Coffman said.

The problems even preceded the migrant crisis, Coffman said.

Why did the mayor decided to play his Venezuelan gang card now?

cartman 09-03-2024 11:53 AM

Trump is now saying the whole Arlington National Cemetery incident is something made up by Kamala.

albionmoonlight 09-03-2024 11:57 AM

They really seem to think that the cemetery thing is helping them. They will not let the story die.

Maybe they know something that I don't.

GrantDawg 09-03-2024 12:05 PM

They often do. It really does seem the more shitty the behavior the more he gains support. "Owning libs," like the ones that serve the country and gave their lives for it.

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thesloppy 09-03-2024 12:25 PM



It's gotta suck when you're naturally this awkward, and the entire world is suddenly on notice that you're a nutjob, and then every tiny thing you do is scrutinized for strangeness.

Lathum 09-03-2024 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3441212)
They often do. It really does seem the more shitty the behavior the more he gains support. "Owning libs," like the ones that serve the country and gave their lives for it.

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I heard an interview with Smerconish with one of the family members and she was just as disgusting as Trump. Admitted they invited him, claim they invited Biden also. Said they never saw any altercation and that they brought their own photographer. When pressed about Trump putting out a campaign ad using the footage on Tik Tok her respone was "I don't use tik tok"

Lathum 09-03-2024 12:31 PM

I am listening to clips of Trumps interview with Hannity and he says the way Kamala treated Mike Pence was horrible....umm...

Edward64 09-03-2024 12:44 PM

Politics aside, I like how good the AI images look.

Just a moment...



RainMaker 09-03-2024 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 3441202)
One might think that was optics so people don't have to feel bad about being anti-Semitic. If it works for R's and D's against a group of people it can also work for the anti Israel crowd too.


Insinuating all Jewish people support genocide is like insinuating all Muslims are terrorists.

Most of the country doesn't support the genocide, including a large contingent of Jewish people. It's really just supported by a portion of the right and Blue MAGA.

Sweed 09-03-2024 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441218)
Insinuating all Jewish people support genocide is like insinuating all Muslims are terrorists.

Most of the country doesn't support the genocide, including a large contingent of Jewish people. It's really just supported by a portion of the right and Blue MAGA.


Kind of like insinuating the Dems as a party are racist?

Mota 09-03-2024 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441218)
Insinuating all Jewish people support genocide is like insinuating all Muslims are terrorists.

Most of the country doesn't support the genocide, including a large contingent of Jewish people. It's really just supported by a portion of the right and Blue MAGA.


Yet all over the world we see people targeting Jewish people just because of their race. I was at a restaurant in Toronto in October and a group of pro-Palestinians were screaming at the restaurant and the customers inside because it was Jewish-owned.

Danny 09-03-2024 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3441222)
Yet all over the world we see people targeting Jewish people just because of their race. I was at a restaurant in Toronto in October and a group of pro-Palestinians were screaming at the restaurant and the customers inside because it was Jewish-owned.


RainMaker seems very one sided on the issue. The war is awful and I in no way support the Israel government and what they are doing. But the lack of empathy towards hate and crimes against Jewish people is also terrible. Both sides want to rid the earth of one another. And yes theres still a ton of anti semitism in the U.S. Ive not been the target of anything as I am not practicing, nor do I look Jewish but ive been in occasional social situation which turned out the group was clearly anti semite.

sovereignstar v2 09-03-2024 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3441213)


It's gotta suck when you're naturally this awkward, and the entire world is suddenly on notice that you're a nutjob, and then every tiny thing you do is scrutinized for strangeness.



GrantDawg 09-03-2024 03:12 PM

Lol...

RainMaker 09-03-2024 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 3441219)
Kind of like insinuating the Dems as a party are racist?


If you are supporting an ethnic cleansing, I have news for you.

RainMaker 09-03-2024 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3441222)
Yet all over the world we see people targeting Jewish people just because of their race. I was at a restaurant in Toronto in October and a group of pro-Palestinians were screaming at the restaurant and the customers inside because it was Jewish-owned.


You are comparing a genocide to someone being yelled at. And my tax dollars are not funding that group of pro-Palestinians.

Both are wrong and should not happen. You don't have to choose one or the other. Anti-Semitic harassment is bad. So is genocide.

Ksyrup 09-03-2024 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3441225)
Lol...


I would have asked where he and his hard-hitting questions were when Brian Kelly was giving his first LSU press conference.

RainMaker 09-03-2024 03:41 PM

Feels like the GOP oppo research is not great when your biggest attacks are that Kamala maybe talks with a Southern accent and is pretending to be black and her Vice President played too much Sega Dreamcast.

Lathum 09-03-2024 05:13 PM

Truth social down to $17.90 last I saw. He is eligible to cash in on his shares soon at which point the stock will be worthless. He is going get rich ruining so many of his followers and they will still fawn about what a good businessman he is.

JPhillips 09-03-2024 09:14 PM

Tucker Carlson came out as a Nazi sympathizer, in a just asking questions way, of course.

Atocep 09-04-2024 12:28 PM

Trump said parents are sending their kids to school and they're coming home with gender affirming surgeries.

Ksyrup 09-04-2024 12:51 PM

After being held at the school for 2-3 days for the surgeries. Totally believable.

I also like how he's trying to turn the narrative from "incoherent ramblings" to "my weave."

Thomkal 09-04-2024 01:00 PM

Biden adminstration will announce today that they are accusing Russia of continuous efforts to influence the 2024 national election by using Kremlin-run media and other online platforms with spreading disinformation to US voters. This is a developing story so there may be law enforcement and legal actions taken in connection with this


https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/polit...luence-efforts

Vegas Vic 09-04-2024 04:59 PM

This is kind of surprising to me. In today's update from Nate Silver, he now has Trump as a 55.8% favorite to win the election. Pennsylvania is beginning to look like a source of concern for the Harris/Walz ticket.

https://www.natesilver.net/p/theres-...-this-election

RainMaker 09-04-2024 05:17 PM

I think he projects a convention bounce that just didn't materialize. Her campaign and enthusiasm came back down to earth too after she decided to just run on the same shit Biden did.

The shift rightward never seems to help Dems but they have to do it for the donors.

Edward64 09-04-2024 05:29 PM

Only seen this pic on the 2nd tier MSM so no idea if legit. We'll find out in a day or two with a denial or confirmation.


albionmoonlight 09-04-2024 05:37 PM

Do none of them know how to pluralize words?

albionmoonlight 09-04-2024 05:39 PM

dola: is there any reason to think that that photo is not true? It is important for Harris to try and build a brand outside of coastal liberal. So Walz coming from a midwestern family of Republicans would seem to help that rebranding. But the Harris campaign may have also been fooled and shared this picture too early. Hard to know.

RainMaker 09-04-2024 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3441314)
Do none of them know how to pluralize words?


I think there is a teacher in the family who could have helped.

Ksyrup 09-04-2024 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 3441306)
This is kind of surprising to me. In today's update from Nate Silver, he now has Trump as a 55.8% favorite to win the election. Pennsylvania is beginning to look like a source of concern for the Harris/Walz ticket.

There’s no “normal” in this election

Why Harris is leading in our polling averages — but not in our forecast. And why it’s hard to know where we’re headed next.

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Beginning this week, we’ll run two Model Talk columns per week for paid subscribers instead of one. So I want to come out of Labor Day weekend strong with a Model Talk — but today’s newsletter is really trying to accomplish a few different things, so let me give you a quick table of contents:

  • First, I’ll reiterate the difference between our polling averages or snapshot of the current state of race and our forecast of the November result, which have begun to differ since the Democratic convention but will eventually come back into line;

  • Second, I’ll explain why it’s hard to know the “real” state of the race — what default conditions are when there isn’t a bunch of crazy news happening;

  • And third, I’ll work through what will happen if Kamala Harris holds her current position in polls. Hint: she’ll eventually become the favorite again. This last part is paywalled.

Before any of that, though, a quick note on how we sometimes see our work being cited in the media. The polling averages are free for everyone, and we’re always happy to see them referenced in the press. That includes readers who take screenshots and post them on Twitter or other platforms. We’d just ask for two common courtesies: please don’t cut out the Silver Bulletin watermark in the bottom-right corner of the chart, and please try to link back to the model landing page or otherwise provide appropriate attribution.

By contrast, the Silver Bulletin forecast is paywalled. We’re not inclined to police occasional “leaks” of this content on free platforms like Twitter — and indeed, we sometimes provide teases there or in the newsletter ourselves. But these should fall within the spirit of fair use guidelines; you shouldn’t be sharing every paywalled chart every day, for instance.

Our concern is less about cannibalizing content that could induce people to become paid subscribers and more that these charts can get taken out of context. For instance, we’ve seen cases of people using this chart—

—to imply that we have Donald Trump forecasted to win the election by 10 or 11 points. The biggest landslide since Reagan in 1984! But that’s not at all what this chart is saying. Rather, it displays the probability that Trump will win the Electoral College — which is about 55 percent in our forecast, compared to about 45 percent for Harris.

Rather than a landslide, that implies an extremely uncertain and probably ultimately very close race — well in the range of what we’d consider a “toss-up”. In fact, the chance of a landslide — either Harris or Trump winning the popular vote by 10 points or more — is only about 5 percent in our model.

Why Harris is ahead in our polling averages but not in our forecast

As you can see from the forecast chart, Harris’s odds have declined slightly over the past two weeks, as she’s gone from roughly a 55/45 favorite to a 45/55 underdog. It’s not a huge change. Probability calculations can be highly sensitive just to either side of the 50/50 mark. If the New York Knicks make a buzzer-beater just before halftime to go from trailing the Boston Celtics 61-60 to leading them 62-61, they might tick over from “underdog” to “favorite” in a win probability model. But it isn’t as though the game has been fundamentally transformed. Still, the decline in Harris’s forecast reflects three factors:

(1) Harris is slightly underperforming the model’s benchmark for a convention bounce. Harris is, in fact, polling a bit better now than before the DNC — but only a bit better, with a 3.5-point lead in our national polling average as of Sunday versus 2.3 points before the convention. The model’s baseline expectation was a bounce of more like 2 points. By the model’s logic, she’s gone from a lead of 2.3 points to a convention-bounce adjusted lead of 1.5 points. That’s not a game-changing difference, but it’s enough to show up in the bottom line.

(2) Kennedy dropping out of the race. We initially expected this to hurt Harris by 0.5 points or less, given that RFK Jr. drew more Trump voters than Harris voters but only slightly more. However, it’s plausible that the impact is larger with RFK having not just dropped out but endorsed Trump.*

Given the timing of Kennedy’s announcement, this factor is all but impossible to disentangle from the convention bounce or lack thereof. Our model run on Friday, August 23 — the day just after Harris’s acceptance speech and the day that Kennedy dropped out, but before we switched over to the RFK-less version of the model — showed Harris ahead by 4.7 points in our national average. That suggested she was on her way to a typical convention bump of 2 or 2.5 points — or possibly more, given that the impact of the convention probably hadn’t yet been fully realized in the polling.

Now, our polling averages are designed to be very aggressive after big events like conventions, and maybe 4.7 points was an overestimate since it was drawn from relatively few polls. Occam’s Razor, though, is that Harris — who gave an effective speech — was on her way to a typical but not extraordinary convention bounce, and then Kennedy’s dropout/endorsement ate into those gains. I somewhat regret the framing of my story from Aug. 24, which warned that the model could be running a “little hot” on Harris because the impact of RFK hadn’t really been factored in yet, but had a headline that emphasized how there hadn’t been much change yet. If I had to do it over again, I’d instead headline the story with something that underscored the need for a wait-and-see approach.

(3) Comparatively poor polling for Harris in Pennsylvania, which is disproportionately important given Pennsylvania’s likelihood of being the pivotal state. As a result, the Electoral College forecast has swung more than the popular vote forecast.

The race has never been in a “steady state” since the Biden debate

What’s made this race uniquely challenging to forecast is that there hasn’t really been a slow news cycle since the debate on June 28. In rapid succession, we had: the debate, an incredible pressure campaign by Democrats to get Biden to drop out, the assassination attempt against Trump, Trump naming JD Vance as his running mate, the Republican convention, Biden dropping out, Harris securing the nomination overnight, Harris naming Tim Walz as her running mate, the Democratic convention, and then Kennedy dropping out.

In principle, you could say something like: let’s look at the polls from back when things were “normal”, ignore what they say immediately after one of these “crazy” events, and then wait for them to settle down again. (In fact, as I’ll explain below, the model sort of attempts to do this.) But it’s hard to know what counts as “normal” in this election:

  • You could say that now is “normal”, which would be a good answer for Democrats since normal means Harris leading. And that might be reasonable. The news cycle was quite slow last week heading into the holiday weekend, and there’s no longer much press coverage about Harris’s favorable momentum and so forth. Maybe we’re already out of the convention bounce window.

  • You could say that the period just before the DNC began was “normal” — Harris had been the presumptive nominee for several weeks at that point. This is a decent answer for Democrats, as Harris was slightly ahead in our forecast. However, she may also have been benefiting from some bounce-type dynamics then. The vibes had been extremely good for Harris, and Trump had been caught flat-footed by her entry into the race. This may not have been sustainable.

  • You could say that “normal” is about when we relaunched the model on July 30, when Harris had been the presumptive nominee for a week but before her bounce/buzz had really built up. But this is not a great answer for Democrats. At that point, national polls were roughly tied, and Harris was a slight underdog in the Electoral College.

  • You could say that “normal” was before the Biden-Trump debate, at which point Biden was about a 2:1 underdog — and Harris’s polling wasn’t any better than Biden’s. Indeed, Harris has been unpopular for most of her tenure as vice president until just recently. If her favorability numbers revert to their long-term average, that probably means Trump back in the White House.

  • Or you could ignore the polls entirely and calculate “normal” based on other factors — what we call “the fundamentals” around here. Our model’s answer, based on the economy being about average and there being no true incumbent in the race, is that “normal” means a tie in the popular vote but Democrats being underdogs in the Electoral College.

  • Finally, although this isn’t what our model does, you could calculate “normal” based on the fact that Democrats have had an edge in the popular vote in most recent elections. On average between 2016 and 2020, Democrats won the popular vote by 3.3 points; on average since 2000, they’ve won it by 2.3 points. That might support the notion that something roughly like Harris’s 3.5-point lead is sustainable, or maybe we’d expect a decline of a point or so.

Any and all of these answers are defensible, I think. And if you take a mental average of them, they work out to Harris being a favorite to win the popular vote but perhaps a slight underdog to win the White House because of the GOP advantage in the Electoral College. And that’s basically what our model shows right now.

But look, if you have a different theory of the case, I’m not inclined to get into too much of a huff about it. We’ll know more in a week or so — although then we’ll have yet another disruptive event, the first (and possibly only) Harris-Trump debate on Tuesday.

What if Harris holds her current numbers?

But let’s say that something roughly like the first version of “normal” is correct and Harris is able to maintain the status quo in the polls. In other words, every poll from now through November exactly matches our current polling averages: every national poll has Harris up 3.5 points, every Michigan poll has her up 1.9, every North Carolina poll has her down 0.3 points, and so forth:

What would happen then?

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Yeah, I've seen several articles that the honeymoon is over and she's crested the wave and on the way down.

HerRealName 09-04-2024 05:59 PM

Doesn't Nate Silver work for Peter Thiel now? I'm wondering how reliable he is at this point.

Lathum 09-04-2024 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3441312)
Only seen this pic on the 2nd tier MSM so no idea if legit. We'll find out in a day or two with a denial or confirmation.



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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3441315)
dola: is there any reason to think that that photo is not true? It is important for Harris to try and build a brand outside of coastal liberal. So Walz coming from a midwestern family of Republicans would seem to help that rebranding. But the Harris campaign may have also been fooled and shared this picture too early. Hard to know.


There appears to be an extra hand under the right arm of the chair...

Danny 09-04-2024 06:10 PM

I think thats arm flab

RainMaker 09-04-2024 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3441317)
Yeah, I've seen several articles that the honeymoon is over and she's crested the wave and on the way down.


I think there was excitement that she would breathe some life into the party and differ from Biden on many of his unpopular issues. But she hired the Biden team to run her campaign and is basically giving speeches like him. It's a safe route I guess but can't blame voters who didn't like Biden already to not be terribly enthused with her campaign.

Lathum 09-04-2024 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441324)
I think there was excitement that she would breathe some life into the party and differ from Biden on many of his unpopular issues. But she hired the Biden team to run her campaign and is basically giving speeches like him. It's a safe route I guess but can't blame voters who didn't like Biden already to not be terribly enthused with her campaign.


The thing that held Biden back was his age. I get it, this is where you start yelling genocide, but if the 2024 version of Biden was the same as the 2019 Biden I think he wins easily as the incumbent.

I think the debate could really make a difference. If he is the rambling, incoherent, lying, low energy, misogynistic, buffoon he usually is the contrast will be obvious to any non MAGA person.

Ksyrup 09-04-2024 06:23 PM

I think she had a bounce, no doubt, but it was going to taper off at some point and that point appears to be now. But the debate could change that? I don't know. I'm not going to watch but my mind is made up - if I'm going to have to listen to Trump for another 4 years, I want that to start as far from now as possible.

RainMaker 09-04-2024 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3441325)
The thing that held Biden back was his age. I get it, this is where you start yelling genocide, but if the 2024 version of Biden was the same as the 2019 Biden I think he wins easily as the incumbent.

I think the debate could really make a difference. If he is the rambling, incoherent, lying, low energy, misogynistic, buffoon he usually is the contrast will be obvious to any non MAGA person.


He polled horribly on foreign policy, the economy, inflation, and crime. Maybe the people who were trying to convince everyone that Biden was good a few months ago don't really know much about the current political climate.

RainMaker 09-04-2024 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3441268)
Trump said parents are sending their kids to school and they're coming home with gender affirming surgeries.


This is one area where Trump gets a huge pass from the media. These ramblings are insane and if any of our parents started talking like that, we'd be looking for padded rooms to put them in.

Biden's criticism over an unfair media was laughable, but they are right that Trump is not being held to the same standard on age/senility since he dropped out.

Lathum 09-04-2024 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3441327)
He polled horribly on foreign policy, the economy, inflation, and crime. Maybe the people who were trying to convince everyone that Biden was good a few months ago don't really know much about the current political climate.


Yet he was withon the margin of error in almost every swing state so that tells you something about how bad Trump is. A coherent Biden beats him imo. Its the perfect illustration of how Trump has killed the gop. If they run Haley she wins in a landslide.

Jas_lov 09-04-2024 07:01 PM

Not sure what Nate Silver is doing. He seems to be subtracting 2 points from Harris because of some "convention bounce adjustment." She didn't really get a bounce because the bounce was when she was announced. 538's old model still had Biden slightly ahead even though he was down 3 nationally and in most of the swing states. Now Silver has Trump slightly ahead even though he's down 3 nationally and in most of the swing states. Given that Silver has been critical of 538's model it's kind of funny that he's doing the same thing. Silver says if things stay the way they are then Kamala's odds will go up as we get closer to the election, which is the same thing 538 was saying before Biden dropped out. I don't know what to believe but I think Harris is slightly ahead right now.

Atocep 09-04-2024 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3441331)
Not sure what Nate Silver is doing. He seems to be subtracting 2 points from Harris because of some "convention bounce adjustment." She didn't really get a bounce because the bounce was when she was announced. 538's old model still had Biden slightly ahead even though he was down 3 nationally and in most of the swing states. Now Silver has Trump slightly ahead even though he's down 3 nationally and in most of the swing states. Given that Silver has been critical of 538's model it's kind of funny that he's doing the same thing. Silver says if things stay the way they are then Kamala's odds will go up as we get closer to the election, which is the same thing 538 was saying before Biden dropped out. I don't know what to believe but I think Harris is slightly ahead right now.


If Rasmussen has Harris ahead by a point it's safe to say she's at least 3 points ahead right now. Whether that holds or not remains to be seen. I think her announcement was so close to the DNC that it's difficult to get a bounce there. IMO she has a lot riding on the upcoming debate.

There's a lot of people applying conventional logic to elections in an era with unprecedented moments and hyper-partisanship on both sides. Plus, when Trump is involved the polling can weird both ways.

Jas_lov 09-04-2024 07:23 PM

That's the other thing is Silver says there hasn't been any good state polling for Harris lately. There were some CNN polls today, Bloomberg and other than that it's right wing pollsters like Trafalgar, Rasmussen, Insider Advantage. In 2022 this same thing happened where Trafalgar had Tudor Dixon up 1 to mess with the polling averages and Whitmer wins by double digits. Not sure why they're even included anymore.

GrantDawg 09-04-2024 08:02 PM

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Mota 09-04-2024 08:12 PM

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Someone please let Elon know that Trump was president for 3 of the 5 years in question.

Brian Swartz 09-04-2024 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum
Its the perfect illustration of how Trump has killed the gop. If they run Haley she wins in a landslide.


This kind of thing is completely unknowable. I doubt it very much however. It's important to keep in mind that there are people who will vote Trump who wouldn't vote Haley. I wish that weren't the case, but ...

Atocep 09-04-2024 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3441343)
This kind of thing is completely unknowable. I doubt it very much however. It's important to keep in mind that there are people who will vote Trump who wouldn't vote Haley. I wish that weren't the case, but ...


Trump has created an electorate issue for the GOP. A significant portion of their supporters don't really care about what has traditionally been the core issues for the party. They want culture wars, political enemies punished, and don't really care about much else.

Even if Trump loses and doesn't hang over the 2026 and 2028 elections, the GOP is going to have a hard time recalibrating the party.

albionmoonlight 09-05-2024 07:41 AM

Yeah. I am seeing a few op-eds from "mainstream" conservatives saying that if Trump loses big, then the party can regroup into a pre-Trump form.

And it is amazing that in 2024 there are conservative writers who still think that Genie can go back into the bottle.

I have no idea who will win in November. And regardless of who wins, I have no idea what the post-Trump future looks like. But this idea that the GOP will just peacefully go back to nominating McCains and Romneys is so insane that I can't tell if they are trolling or not by suggesting it.

Swaggs 09-05-2024 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3441361)
Yeah. I am seeing a few op-eds from "mainstream" conservatives saying that if Trump loses big, then the party can regroup into a pre-Trump form.

And it is amazing that in 2024 there are conservative writers who still think that Genie can go back into the bottle.

I have no idea who will win in November. And regardless of who wins, I have no idea what the post-Trump future looks like. But this idea that the GOP will just peacefully go back to nominating McCains and Romneys is so insane that I can't tell if they are trolling or not by suggesting it.


I think the only way the Trump family goes away is if they lose big. If he loses by 6-7%+, there will suddenly be a lot of brave Republicans there to stand up to him. If it is close, like it has been the last few elections, there is no way that the family gives up the fame and easy money.

Ksyrup 09-05-2024 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3441361)
Yeah. I am seeing a few op-eds from "mainstream" conservatives saying that if Trump loses big, then the party can regroup into a pre-Trump form.

And it is amazing that in 2024 there are conservative writers who still think that Genie can go back into the bottle.

I have no idea who will win in November. And regardless of who wins, I have no idea what the post-Trump future looks like. But this idea that the GOP will just peacefully go back to nominating McCains and Romneys is so insane that I can't tell if they are trolling or not by suggesting it.


The real issue is going to be what the issue has been for the last 8 years - the calculus of what will bring people to the polls? That's why the party has yet to jettison Trump because he is guaranteed to bring people to the polls that the party is afraid will abandon voting if they move away from Trump and can't be replaced with at least as many "others" (moderates, lazy GOPers, other crossovers). Relatedly, it's also why almost none of the party bigwigs directly denounce the racists, Nazis, and other crazies because they need the votes. If they didn't, they'd distance themselves from those people pretty quickly (at least most of the mainstream pols would anyway).

So, even if Trump loses AGAIN, or if he squeaks by but they lose winnable House/Senate seats, there is going to be a lot of grumbling from the party apparatus about what Trump/MAGA really does for them if they continue losing, but it's still going to be the same calculus going forward. The big high-wire act will be moving beyond Trump the person and deciding (or finding out in post-2024 elections) whether carrying MAGA forward without Trump pays as many benefits as it does with him (in terms of core/diehard voter engagement, if not outright winning elections).

Brian Swartz 09-05-2024 09:34 AM

Political movements don't tend to fade away gradually; that can happen, but historically, even modern historically, they just go away and are largely forgotten at a certain point. I think the Republican Party will adjust pretty quickly to a new normal when Trumpism is over. What that new normal is, I don't pretend to know, but if Trumpism were to end in 2024, I expect that by 2028 something much different will be in place.

People have very short memories, which is part of why it's so difficult for a party in power to stay in power; people go looking for an alternative, even if there's fairly recent evidence that the alternative is worse.

QuikSand 09-05-2024 09:48 AM

So, I agree in concept that the full list of Trump tenets could easily fade away.

But the grift is just soooo intoxicating, right? Specifics aside, he has exposed that there's a deep desire/demand among roughly half the electorate for:

-deep distrust of nearly everyone "in power" (govt, media, jews, whomever)

-a willingness to adopt conspiracy theories as a foundation/substitute for actual policy

-an eagerness to blame and scapegoat certain outside groups as a means to promote their own group (non-white/white, immigrants/born-heres, pronoun-users/regular-folk, etc) again as either a foundation or substitute for actual policy

I don't see how this kind of political catnip can go out of style quickly. Trump, with his clever "so many lies, told all the time, with complete vigor" strategy may have had a unique ability to harness that, but "that" remains out there, and an awful lot of people feel more engaged and empowered about their sentiments than ever before.

The Mike Pompeos and Vivek Ramaswamys and Bobby Jindals of the world have all taken notice. At the very worst you will get rich with this line of politics (as there are just rubes everywhere looking to buy coins or pillows or donate to your latest crank endeavor) but at best you get to run the whole show, you just wait for any non-MAGA person to do anything in any way questionable or even merely complicated to explain (e.g. the Iran nuclear deal), and you zoom in on it.

I agree, you can't get this back into the bottle. It's too easy.

JPhillips 09-05-2024 01:05 PM

Why won't Kamala Harris provide more policy specifics?


cuervo72 09-05-2024 01:09 PM

People actually applauded that answer.

Atocep 09-05-2024 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3441387)
Why won't Kamala Harris provide more policy specifics?



JD Vance says get your grandparents, aunts, and uncles to help with childcare. The government doesn't need to help.

albionmoonlight 09-05-2024 02:07 PM

I've been a registered Dem here (NC) for ~20 years. My voting record is 100% in Dem primaries.

And I've been getting a lot of pro-Trump mailers. It is interested b/c I've never gotten a lot of GOP mail before.

I wonder if the parties just have so much money now that they are sending stuff to every registered voter in a swing state and not even bothering to target or go off lists.

Danny 09-05-2024 02:35 PM

Lol so his answer is to significantly increase the cost of goods via taxation to pay for childcare

RainMaker 09-05-2024 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3441387)
Why won't Kamala Harris provide more policy specifics?



He would have to tax imports at like 200% to make that money.

GrantDawg 09-05-2024 07:46 PM

Florida is the Democrat's Lucy with the football. Every election just as you write them off they put the football down again, and the party says "Maybe this time!"

Ghost Econ 09-06-2024 06:03 AM

You take the good, you take the bad,
Some kids get shot, you can't get mad,
The facts of life,
the facts of life.

At least according to JD Vance.

Ksyrup 09-06-2024 06:55 AM

Living with fear is just the price we pay to protect the most important right in this country. After all, freedom is not about living free but making sure everyone can buy, carry and shoot as many guns as they want, wherever they want, even if a few innocent people have to die on a weekly basis. That's the pinnacle of freedom, and we've reached the mountaintop.

JPhillips 09-06-2024 10:33 AM

The god of freedom requires regular sacrifices of children.

Lathum 09-06-2024 10:34 AM

Seeing reports, mind you on Twitter, that the Russian influence indictments include 600 Americans including elected officials. This is going to be nuts.

Atocep 09-06-2024 10:36 AM

Jesse Watters claims Tim Walz isn't masculine enough for women because he drank a milkshake with a straw.


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