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"Oh shit...my bad, I didn't realize I was taking Winstrol, I thought it was Vitamin B-12"
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FINALLY Big Sh*tty got caught! :lol:
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The only thing about steroids and MLB testing that really concerns me is that you had some 100 or so players testing positive in 2003, then we're supposed to believe that testing was enacted and they've got a handful since then? That Manny was juicing in '03, juicing in '09, but clean in between? I'm not sure how clean the game is right now, to be honest. And that's not even considering the things that they aren't even able to test for because of legal or scientific constraints.
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It's time to play: WHEEL... of... STEROID... (Apology)
Let's help him make up a generic steroid excuse. So, which will Big Papi use? First he has to go one of two routes: 1) I didn't know it was a steroid 2) I only used it once (or for a short period) It sounds like he's already dug in deep for response #1 with his "I didn't know and I'm surprised" act so that takes off the "I only took it for an injury" excuse. That leaves us with quite a few options for his next part: 1) Must be a false positive 2) Don't know how it happened 3) A trainer told him it was vitamins 4) Another player/trainer/agent gave him the needle and he didn't ask questions 5) Got it from a cousin in the Dominican (we call this "The ARod") So, does he 1) Apologize for us that we misunderstood him/his actions 2) Say he will never, ever do it again and feels bad for all the fans he "wronged" 3) Will find the perpetrator and eventually bring the one-armed man to justice SI |
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Well, I'm sure after the testing regime came down, players tried to find ways to get around it. Maybe they asked their buddies in the NFL how they've been able to do it all these years :D. |
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Sadly yes, this is what it has come down to each and every time we get a positive result. Big Papi talked tough about steroids this spring training. What will he say now that the public knows he was lying? |
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The 8 homers comment is a little off since Aramis missed a large part of the season. |
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I find it interesting that the players KNEW they were going to be tested, and obviously 100+ dumbass players STILL had the cajones to take the stuff, knowing that they would test positive and possibly give the OK for MLB to perform random testing. What a joke MLB is. |
As much as I hate the Red Sox, and Yankees I don't see how these revelations about who was caught juicing makes their titles tainted. If we saw the whole list I would guess that every team is represented. So their juicers were just better than everyone elses juicers. And Papi is no big surprise. He goes from 20 HRs to 54 in what, 4 seasons?
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Sounds like someone forgot to take their Midol. |
I guess Bronson Arroyo is coming out now too...
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Tigs got Washburn apparently. Not sure what for yet.
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I just want all of this to go away already.
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Dola, looks like the Tigs didn't give up anything of consequence. Lucas French and another prospect. The other prospect hasn't been confirmed as to who it is but the names I'm hearing aren't much of a blow.
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I thought they needed more help in the bullpen and another bat. Why would they pick up another starter? |
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We need everything. Our rotation right now is Verlander, Jackson, Porcello (Who is hitting the wall), Galarraga (Who you have no idea what he'll do any start) and a mix mash of guys at #5. I think Fien called up helps, and Bonderman will end up in the pen for some help. For what we gave up, you can't pass up on Washburn, who has a similar situation in Detroit; big park and good D, plus he is a lefty we need in the rotation. That said, we still have no offense and I suspect we won't win the Central without either Guillen (possibly) or Magglio (No chance) getting better, Polanco reverting back to form and another bat emerging. |
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I had heard rumors of a Freddy Sanchez to Detroit trade, but obviously that didn't happen. The Tigers need another bat, someone who can hit in the 4-7 spot, and take some of the pressure off Ordonez and Granderson. Not sure if anyone decent is available at this point though. Also kinda surprised Seattle traded Washburn, aren't they still in the hunt for a playoff spot? |
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i kinda agree. as somebody else said "so one team of juicers beat another team of juicers." it's not that that saddens me as much as it's the destruction of the long-term records for things due to players playing longer at higher levels. now that we have a positive Papi-test I'm pissed that for instance he beat Foxx's Red Sox record for HR in a season. Not so much that he won 2 WS. |
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Bonds was not a very good hitter at the time, plus he's a TO-like cancer. Why would anyone want to sign him? And Boston had no chance with him since he thinks Boston is a racist city. |
Off today so I have MLB Network on with their deadline coverage.
It's really not hurtful at all to see Jim Duquette on this fucking thing on this day of all days. |
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What? Bonds' last full season (2007), he hit .278/.480/.565 with an OPS+ of 170. |
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You're talking out of your ass - He had an OPS+ of 170 his last year, and the lead the league in OBP; again. He could still out-hit most of the Giants. |
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It's a moot point, but Kevin Garnett thought Boston was a racist city and so did Randy Moss. The media played up that angle the one time Bonds came in interleague and he was backtracking before he left town. I'm sure if he still wanted to play and Boston was the only team offering a contract he'd overcome any lingering doubts. |
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David Ortiz: Steroid users should get one-year suspension - ESPN |
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Uh... yes.
Steve Phillips didn't fucking trade Kazmir for Zambrano! |
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He's clearly an idiot and a cheater, though everybody seems to be forgetting that there was no penalties or actual testing in 2003 (just the "anonymous" sample-testing). What he's saying there isn't really inconsistent with his actions. In retrospect, it's actually kind of telling. He's basically saying that if there were testing and penalties, then that would motivate him and other players not to use. That wasn't the case in 2003, though it is now. |
The worst part about Ortiz testing positive is not that he cheated, but that he lied about it. I wish he'd just kept his damn mouth shut. The cheating I can accept, but the lying just makes him a different person than I thought he was.
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So will he bitch at the Yankees the first time they blow out the Red Sox? |
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It's kind of annoying to maybe have to root for that goof, but I can get over it if this makes Varitek a backup. I'm not as in love with Buchholz as most Red Sox fans, but even I'm not exciting about parting with him for Martinez. I don't think that makes them all that much better even this season. |
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Did he ever say he never used? I can see someone using steroids while there's no policy for it, then when its banned, be in favor of significant penalties. That's totally consistent with what we hear about steroid use. They use it to be competitive. If they're not going to use it anymore because of a policy, they sure as hell don't want other people to use it either. I'm not naive enough, though, to think that he's not still using, along with everyone else. Just playing with the logic of what he said here. |
I'm tired of hearing about the 2003 tests, I wish whoever it is would release the whole list and get it over with. It was six years ago and baseball hadn't banned those substances yet. I would like to see the sport do better combating steroid usage going forward but move on from the past.
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He pretty clearly said he didn't use on several occasions.
Hearing that Buchholz is going to CLE. Pretty disappointed if that's true. The only way it makes sense is if the FO thinks his makeup issues will persist and that he's at the top of his trade value now. Still, I think his value is higher than VMart. |
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No word yet on what the Indians would receive in return although Joel Sherman says he thinks it will be Buchholz. |
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And thinking about it more and reading the sentiments at SOSH, there's no way that Varitek is just going to be benched or released. So Martinez is basically going to be a platoon player unless Lowell gets hurt again. |
Now seeing everywhere that its not Buchholz. The first Twitter Trading Deadline is rife with potholes.
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If its not Buchholz, it makes me wonder if the deal is done, because that's been what Cleveland has been asking for, IIRC.
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Now seeing its Hagadone. Guy had TJ surgery but has looked good in 25 IP since his return.
He does not qualify as anywhere near ML ready, though. Edit: Masterson + Hagadone? Masterson would be the ML guy. |
I just heard that Bucholz has been attacked by the Basij!
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Bowden and Hagadone? Hopefully not Masterson/Bowden/Hagadone. |
Can't see it being three like that. (Masterson or Bowden) + Hagadone is a pretty fair deal, though one I can be happy with.
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Rumor appears to be Masterson and Hagadone... and then the Sox to turn around and deal LaRoche (cause they would have no need for him with V-Mart) to the Mets.
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LaRoche gets the shaft! Hah!
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So tomorrow is Victor Martinez Bobblehead Doll Day????? Ohhhhhh, that's fantastic!
Bobblehead Daze » Blog Archive » Indians 2009 Bobblehead Days |
Now if we can convince Tito to actually sit Tek for V-Mart I'll be happy.
God I hope Cora isn't returning for the Laroche deal. |
Just another bullet point to add to the list of reasons Barry Bonds is an undeserving scapegoat.
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Probably still happy he isn't a Pirate anymore though. |
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Considering that the Mets need Alex Cora because Reyes is hurt, they probably won't be sending him. |
Now there are rumors that the Dodgers are making a push to get Adrian Gonzales.
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MINNEAPOLIS -- Shortstop Orlando Cabrera has been traded from the Oakland Athletics to the Minnesota Twins.
The Twins sent minor league infielder Tyler Ladendorf to the A's for Cabrera and cash. Friday's deal came a few hours before baseball's 4 p.m. ET non-waiver trade deadline. Minnesota entered the day two games behind Detroit in the AL Central. The Twins need more production up the middle, with Nick Punto and Alexi Casilla struggling to hit this season. Leading Twins players have also recently expressed their desire to see the team make a move to upgrade the roster. The Twins have traditionally been quiet at the deadline. Cabrera was batting .280 with four homers, 41 RBIs and 11 steals for Oakland. He was expected to be at the Metrodome for Saturday's game against the Angels. |
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Please don't trade Kemp. I need him to win my fantasy league. |
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I would really like to hear what the dodgers are offering. They have some talent in the upper levels, but no elite prospects there. They'd have to part with one their young major leaguers, you'd think. |
Well, you would probably start with Loney, right?
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The Padres appear to be attempting a "Pirates of the West Coast" routine....do they have any other players they would like to dump in order to "rebuild"?
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Yeah, you'd imagine that Loney would have to be there. They probably wouldn't want to deal Kemp or Ethier, but you'd imagine the Padres would be asking about one of them instead of Loney.
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MILWAUKEE -- The Milwaukee Brewers reacquired reliever Claudio Vargas from the Los Angeles Dodgers on Friday.
The Dodgers got minor league catcher Vinny Rottino in the trade Friday between playoff contenders. The deal was completed hours before baseball's non-waiver 4 p.m. ET deadline. |
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LaRoche to the Braves is what I'm seeing.
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So is San Diego a "small market" (and thus worthy of our pity), when they rank higher than St. Louis, Atlanta, Denver, and Baltimore in market size?
Of course, this is a league where Boston is generally considered the 2nd largest market in the country, so anything's possible. |
LaRoche for Kotchman? Does he have options still?
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This is starting to smell like the Sox trying to get a player the Blue Jays want in order to trade Halladay. That would be huge get both Victor AND Halladay:) |
I thought the same thing, but it begs the question.... why would the Blue Jays want Kotchman?
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I'm doubting a package for Halladay can be hammered out in the half hour we have left.
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So apparently the V-Mart deal also includedBryan Price being sent by the Sox to the Tribe as well. So, Masterson, Hagadone, and Price for V-Mart.
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Guy behind the MLBTrades Twitter saying Adrian Gonzalez AND Bell could be going to the Dodgers?
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Did Scott Rolen really just get traded to the Reds (if he waives his no-trade)? And if so, why?
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Still wouldn't be super suprised to see Philly change their minds, regardless of what they've done. |
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Dodgers did just acquire Sherrill... that makes some relief easier to deal. |
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God I hope not. Jocketty has a man crush though. I really hope the rumors of Yonder Alonso being a part of this aren't true. |
I just read somehwere EE and Alonso. That can't be right.
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That's what it seems to be. Alonso can't be traded until after Aug. 15, so watch out if it's a PTBNL. Nice haul for a 34 year old. If one of our Cincy contingent can punch Walt in the throat for this I'd appreciate it. |
For Rolen? Really Walt? Really?
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Keith Law is reporting this isn't true SI |
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Don't know anything about the Reds farm system. |
Heyman saying Peavy to White Sox.
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That's a little better, but Stewart has good potential. I would have thought EE and Roenicke would have been enough given Rolen's age. Maybe the Jays are paying Rolen's salary. |
Do they think he'll allow the deal now just because he's hurt?
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Yeah, Roenicke and Stewart are both arms with some potential, but not likely to be players you're kicking yourself over losing 3-4 years from now. I do question what the hell the Reds are doing, though, by adding a 34yo 3rd baseman with a history of injury problems when you're 9.5 games out of 1st. |
You have got to be fucking shitting me. Frank Wren ought to be took out back and shot until the gun is empty. And then we need to reload & empty another clip in the dumb bastard.
LaRoche was dumped out of Atlanta in the first place because he was an inconsistent head case (yeah, I know, it's a mental health issue but still). And he's got a virtually identical OPS to Kotchman who at least tries hard, whereas LaRoche is capable of making Greg Norton look like a hitter & Garret Anderson look energetic. Fuck me running. |
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Welcome to my last 2 summers Jon. For a week, you'll see Albert Pujols. Then for a month he'll hit like a girl. |
Great, now we have a injured Jake Peavy. and we gave up Poreda . FUCK. OMG, and Richard? and Adam Russel! WTF are the Chisox thinking. thats retarded. FML
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Dola, I swear I REALLY hope we kept at least Richard, or Poreda. if not I'm going to throw something really fucking hard at the wall.
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Injured Peavy helps morale! ;)
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There's more reason to bring his brother on board than there is this waste of fucking space. Honest to God, I cannot remember the last time I truly despised a trade as much as I hate this one. Hell, I can't even come close to thinking of an example at the moment. This absolutely f'nlutely settles the issue of whether Wren is overmatched in his job or not. This is an Isiah Thomas worthy deal and it'll be the death knell for the Braves flickering wildcard hopes. And once he has another of his patented ADD moments either in the field or on the bases, the fans will boo his ass to death just like they did leading up to his being shipped out in the first place. |
apparently its fucking Adam Russell, Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, and Dexter Carter. We just got ripped off like nothing else.
All for Jake "torn up ankle" Peavy |
His brother is quickly turning into a useless cuntrag too. I need more than 4 homers and a .702 ops out of my every day 3b.
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oh, yea Peavy approved it seems. fuck my life
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Dola, honestly tho, if SOMEHOW he can come back and be Jake Peavy, then ok maybe I'll be somewhat happy. But losing 2 MLB ready starters (decent enough guys too) Dexter Carter (who looked promising to me) and Adam Russell just hurts.
The worst part about this deal is probably that Bartolo Colon and Contreras remain in the Rotation |
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As a Padres fan, I have the same exact sentiment. He was my favorite player:banghead: :banghead: |
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you guys are getting a load in return. I really really like Peavy, I'm just worried because his ankle is tore up, and hes out for another month. But maybe it works out. |
Ok he is signed through 2012 with an option for 2013. that makes me feel a little better, I wasn't sure on that.
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And if LaRoche manages to wildly exceed expectations in the next two months he's a free agent at the end of the year. Kotchman, while not particularly good, had 2.5 years left before free agency. Freedie Freeman better be ready soon. I don't understand this trade either. |
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