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Arles 08-21-2019 10:57 AM

It's an interesting thought, but I if the rampant idiocy from Trump could actually be a factor in some kind of economic slowdown. He is such a buffoon and a vast part of the economy is perception - that it seems like if people have no confidence in Trump and see signs of the economy slowing down, that it could actually cause a small recession. I don't think it would happen until late 2020 or 2021, but I think it actually is possible. And that's something I never would have considered until Trump.

albionmoonlight 08-21-2019 12:13 PM

I hate the "What if Another President had . . ." game.

But if Bush or Obama had just favorably quoted someone calling them the King of Israel, it would be the only thing people talked about for a week.

We'll have completely moved on by Friday.

QuikSand 08-21-2019 12:14 PM

"we have great mental illness"

JPhillips 08-21-2019 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3246999)

We'll have completely moved on by Friday.


By then he will have declared himself King of the First Men and Lord of the Andals.

cyclone44 08-21-2019 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3246969)
Both sides, put your partisan feelings aside for a moment and imagine you went into a coma 10 years ago and woke up today to this headline:


"President Donald Trump Indefinitely Postpones Scheduled Meeting With Denmark's Prime Minister Because She Refused To Discuss Selling Greenland To U.S."


This is kind of the thing though. For many years people who were accurate in pointing out the aims of the Republican party were accused of either "playing the race card" or grossly exaggerating things, but it turns out that the reality of things is even more absurd than any parody from a few years back could've been.

RainMaker 08-21-2019 01:45 PM

He's also bashing the PM of Denmark today over this. Such a bizarre time in history.

albionmoonlight 08-21-2019 01:52 PM

Someone noted that Obama has a Denmark visit planned for September, so Trump's handlers probably convinced him to cancel the meeting so he wouldn't rage over the optics of Obama's visit getting a better reception than his.

Edward64 08-21-2019 01:56 PM

Not sure if a $1K additional would help that much but I'll take it. It may be better to spend it on new infrastructure projects.

This is exactly how much a payroll-tax cut would help the average American - MarketWatch
Quote:

One simulation from the center sheds light on the likely effects of such a cut. A 2% payroll-tax cut would benefit 121 million workers, giving each household an additional annual sum of $1,043 in 2019 dollars. However, nearly three quarters of a 2% cut in the payroll tax would benefit households in the fourth and fifth quintile of earners,.

180-185K average per month is still fairly decent but obviously not as good as 223K. I guess this increases the likelihood of the Fed reducing rates more.

U.S. created 500,000 fewer jobs since 2018 than previously reported, new figures show - MarketWatch
Quote:

The economy had about 501,000 fewer jobs as of March 2019 than the Bureau of Labor Statistics initially calculated in its survey of business establishments. That’s the largest revision since the waning stages of the Great Recession in 2009.

The newly revised figures indicate the economy didn’t get a huge boost last year from President Trump’s tax cuts and higher federal spending. They also signal the economy is a bit weaker than previously believed and could give the Federal Reserve even greater reason to cut interest rates in September.

“This makes some sense, as the 223,000 average monthly increase in 2018 seemed too good to be true in light of how tight the labor market has become and how much trouble firms are said to be having finding qualified workers,” said chief economist Stephen Stanley of Amherst Pierpont Securities.

The average 223,000 monthly increase in employment in 2018 — the strongest in three years — could be trimmed to 180,000 to 185,000, economists estimate.

JPhillips 08-21-2019 02:07 PM

The GOP is lined up behind lower interest rates, high deficit spending, and a payroll tax cut because they will all, "boost the economy."

And yet when Obama called for the same things, there was near-universal opposition from the GOP.

Everything's a con.

QuikSand 08-21-2019 02:21 PM

it continues...

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "For the record, Denmark is only at 1.35% of GDP for NATO spending. They are a wealthy country and should be at 2%. We protect Europe and yet, only 8 of the 28 NATO countries are at the 2% mark. The United States is at a much, much higher level than that...."

RainMaker 08-21-2019 02:34 PM

Payroll tax cut would make sense if we weren't running up huge debt during the times when the economy is good. It's just going to tack on a ton more debt that will burden the next generation.

They could make it revenue neutral but that would require taxing wealthy people and that will definitely not happen.

Ben E Lou 08-21-2019 02:43 PM

Michelle Goldberg on Twitter: "The front page of the NYT right now looks like one of those pre-election parodies about what a Trump administration would be like.… https://t.co/2C3ZSYFROX"

Edward64 08-21-2019 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3247022)
Payroll tax cut would make sense if we weren't running up huge debt during the times when the economy is good. It's just going to tack on a ton more debt that will burden the next generation.

They could make it revenue neutral but that would require taxing wealthy people and that will definitely not happen.


Well, we don't have to worry about anymore for now ...

Thomkal 08-21-2019 04:52 PM

So internal discussions were already being planned for acquiring Greenland:


Damian Paletta

@damianpaletta

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Internal planning was so far along they had begun to even think about the financial cost. White House officials had discussed taking over Denmark’s $600 million annual payment to Greenland, and also giving Denmark some sort of financial sweetener. https://washingtonpost.com/politics/trump


So is the whole white house staff is insane now?

RainMaker 08-21-2019 06:06 PM

I'm lost. Can someone explain to me what this is about?




JPhillips 08-21-2019 06:19 PM

I think this is about California environmental standards. Trump wants to overrule, but the auto companies are fine with the standards.

PilotMan 08-21-2019 06:23 PM

I RETIRED FROM PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL 3 YEARS AGO AND THE MSM DIDN'T COVER IT! IT'S A DISGRACE THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REAL TRUE NEWS OF THE US IS.



Where was all the good attention that I should be receiving at? Everything I'm doing is super important and my baseball career should be getting the same attention as RUSSIA!

RainMaker 08-21-2019 06:24 PM

So he is mad that car companies are making fuel efficient cars that their customers want? I know he's bad at business, but come on.

Atocep 08-21-2019 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3247047)
So he is mad that car companies are making fuel efficient cars that their customers want? I know he's bad at business, but come on.


Yeah but voluntarily regulating yourself to help the environment goes against core republican beliefs.

Atocep 08-21-2019 07:09 PM

So in the past couple of days Trump has:

*Tried to buy a country
*Got mad when said country turned down his offer to buy it and canceled a visit to country that oversees said country
*Told Jewish people if they don't vote for him they're not loyal
*Retweeted someone praising him as the 2nd coming of Christ
*Referred to himself as "The Chosen One"
*Said he was looking into cutting payroll taxes
*Said he wasn't looking into cutting payroll taxes
*Decided detaining children indefinitely is the cool thing to do
*Stated he's strongly considering eliminating birthright citizenship
*Attacked Auto Manufacturers for self regulating themselves for the good of the environment.

Am I missing something?

RainMaker 08-21-2019 08:17 PM

The Denmark things feels like a way to get out of a trip he doesn't want to go on. Remember that he likes sitting around watching TV.

There is talk that because Obama is going at the end of September, it would be embarrassing to him to see the difference in receptions.

JPhillips 08-21-2019 08:48 PM

Maybe, but it's also being reported that White House staff had gotten far enough to plan how to take possession and had started working out a price.

Edward64 08-21-2019 11:30 PM

No I don't Trump can do it with an Executive order. It is being abuse. Wish we could do something about it.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/polit...ent/index.html
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President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he is "seriously" considering ending US birthright citizenship despite the fact that such a move would face immediate legal challenge and is at odds with Supreme Court precedent.

"We're looking at that very seriously, birthright citizenship," Trump told reporters outside the White House, echoing his administration's previous vow to unilaterally end the process by which babies born in the country automatically become citizens.
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"We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits," he said. "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end." In fact, more than 30 countries around the world have birthright citizenship

Atocep 08-21-2019 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3247062)
The Denmark things feels like a way to get out of a trip he doesn't want to go on. Remember that he likes sitting around watching TV.

There is talk that because Obama is going at the end of September, it would be embarrassing to him to see the difference in receptions.


I don't buy it. I think the possibility of the economy weakening heading into the election has him looking for something he can can sell as a major accomplishment with broad support.

NobodyHere 08-22-2019 10:41 AM

Trump says he wanted to give himself Medal of Honor

Well why not? He is the Chosen One after all.

Kodos 08-22-2019 10:55 AM

I had a boss who wanted to win an award where others have to submit a nomination. She tried to get an underling to submit a nomination that she wrote herself. Maybe she should have run for President...

JPhillips 08-22-2019 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3247079)
I don't buy it. I think the possibility of the economy weakening heading into the election has him looking for something he can can sell as a major accomplishment with broad support.


Tom Cotton said this morning that he had talked to the President about Greenland a while ago.

I think the much more likely explanation is that Trump wanted to buy Greenland and lashed out when a woman mocked him. That fits with everything we know about him.

JPhillips 08-22-2019 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3247111)
Trump says he wanted to give himself Medal of Honor

Well why not? He is the Chosen One after all.


Avoiding gonorrhea has to be one of the qualifying actions.

NobodyHere 08-22-2019 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3247116)
Avoiding gonorrhea has to be one of the qualifying actions.


Dodging STDs was his personal Vietnam after all.

albionmoonlight 08-22-2019 12:42 PM

Hmmm. GOP politicians starting to lie about caring about the debt/deficit again. Makes me wonder if they are seeing some really bad internal polls for Trump.


JPhillips 08-22-2019 02:00 PM

Are they really going to run on a promise to cut Social Security and Medicare?

At least Trump was smart enough to realize people really like Social Security and Medicare and promising to cut them is a dumb thing to do before an election.

NobodyHere 08-22-2019 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3247129)
Are they really going to run on a promise to cut Social Security and Medicare?

At least Trump was smart enough to realize people really like Social Security and Medicare and promising to cut them is a dumb thing to do before an election.


Romney and Ryan did run on a platform of cutting future benefits for people who were under 55 at the time.

JPhillips 08-22-2019 02:44 PM

This story about the resignation of the Overstock CEO after claiming to be in the middle of the Russia/Trump investigation is nuts.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/o...p-russia-story

GrantDawg 08-22-2019 02:50 PM

Joe Walsh is threatening to run in a primary against Trump. It will probably go nowhere, but I hope he does.

Lathum 08-22-2019 02:52 PM

The faux outrage that is going to come from the GOP in the coming months and years is going to be something to behold.

Atocep 08-22-2019 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3247131)
This story about the resignation of the Overstock CEO after claiming to be in the middle of the Russia/Trump investigation is nuts.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/o...p-russia-story


Crazy is 3 Mar-a-Lago members getting involved in the VA's transition to a new EHR for no reason other than they're friends with Trump.

Emails show Veterans Affairs officials' scorn for 'Mar-a-Lago 3' - POLITICO

Thomkal 08-22-2019 03:42 PM

So the National Republican Congressional Committee is fund-raising by offering this shirt for a donation:


Got Greenland? - National Republican Congressional Committee

Izulde 08-22-2019 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3247139)
So the National Republican Congressional Committee is fund-raising by offering this shirt for a donation:


Got Greenland? - National Republican Congressional Committee


I'm one of the most far-left people on this board and I'd consider getting that shirt. That's hilarious and awesome.

ISiddiqui 08-22-2019 04:12 PM

Yeah, it seems more like making fun of Trump than supporting him. NRCC has no clue.

JPhillips 08-22-2019 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3247139)
So the National Republican Congressional Committee is fund-raising by offering this shirt for a donation:


Got Greenland? - National Republican Congressional Committee


As I mentioned to someone else, of course there is no Puerto Rico.

JPhillips 08-22-2019 04:30 PM

Quote:

Ramon Torres had been a U.S. citizen for nearly ten years when he was detained for four days on an immigration hold – despite having a U.S. passport, a Louisiana driver’s license, and a Social Security card, and despite that fact that a court ordered his release.

Torres’ ordeal began in August 2018, when he was pulled over and arrested on suspicion of driving while intoxicated. Torres, a naturalized U.S. citizen since 2009, was carrying multiple forms of identification, including his driver’s license and other security credentials. Torres was booked at the Ascension Parish Jail, and the next day the Parish Court ordered his release.

But Torres wasn’t released. Instead, the Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Office placed an “immigration hold” on Torres on the suspicion that he was unlawfully present in the United States.

The basis for this suspicion? He had a Latinx name and brown skin. Staff at the sheriff’s office explained that they had a policy of detaining all Latinx people for immigration review.

I bet nobody gets punished for this.

Thomkal 08-22-2019 04:35 PM

To the surprise of no one Sarah Huckabee Sanders takes a job as a contributer on Fox News and her first apperance will of course be on Fox and Friends in September.

molson 08-22-2019 04:48 PM

"Staff at the sheriff’s office explained that they had a policy of detaining all Latinx people for immigration review."

I didn't quite believe that, so I looked at the complaint. Torres claims that an unidentified administrator made that statement, but the administrator is just referred to as "Jane Doe" in the complaint. In their write-up about the complaint, the ACLU hides that fact that it's an allegation, and tries to make it sound like it's an on-the-record official policy statement or something.

Maybe someone said it, maybe that person had any authority or knowledge of detention procedures in that county, maybe they didn't. Maybe the detention was constitutional, maybe it wasn't, but this is just allegations in a complaint, the state hasn't even responded yet. But I'm skeptical that the sheriff's office in this area not only just rounds up all Hispanics and automatically puts immigration holds on them, but states this as their policy.

PilotMan 08-22-2019 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3247149)
But I'm skeptical that the sheriff's office in this area not only just rounds up all Hispanics and automatically puts immigration holds on them, but states this as their policy.



To be fair, it's already be precedent in the 80's during the drug wars with black men being rounded up on the streets 'just to see if they were criminals or not'.

It's not exactly a new tactic.

stevew 08-22-2019 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3247139)
So the National Republican Congressional Committee is fund-raising by offering this shirt for a donation:


Got Greenland? - National Republican Congressional Committee


Maybe if it wasn’t 35$ and proceeds weren’t sponsoring the white nationalist party...

stevew 08-22-2019 05:31 PM

We all agree Trump wants Greenland cause of how bigot it looks on a Mercator projection, right?

stevew 08-22-2019 05:31 PM

I meant bigly, but spellcheck hilarious.

NobodyHere 08-22-2019 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3247152)
We all agree Trump wants Greenland cause of how bigot looks on a Mercator projection, right?


I would've gone with this.

NobodyHere 08-22-2019 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3247150)
To be fair, it's already be precedent in the 80's during the drug wars with black men being rounded up on the streets 'just to see if they were criminals or not'.

It's not exactly a new tactic.


Times, they be a changing. Back then the Browns could make conference champion game.

If any local or state government rounded op people based on the color of their skin as official policy then their asses would be sued off.

molson 08-22-2019 05:57 PM

My point is that the ACLU isn't even really alleging that this is this agency's official policy. They just want you to assume that from the write-up. But the only person who allegedly said this is an unidentified "staff member" who isn't alleged to have any authority to actually create, state or enforce such a policy. And this person can't be investigated, deposed, etc, because they're just a Jane Doe.

And complaint allegations shouldn't be reported as fact. Just like allegations in a criminal complaint shouldn't be reported as fact. The ACLU gets around this with these write-ups that get passed around as if they're news articles.

The ACLU prefers dramatic language in their legal filings and write-ups. Including appeals to emotion, hiding the ball, invitations to make incorrect inferences. Stuff that would be considered unprofessional or unethical for most attorneys to engage in.


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