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Ksyrup 07-19-2024 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3437381)
It's a superficial issue to get people angry. So yeah, perfect for the Fox News crowd. They have no interest in a deep dive into why many younger people today are choosing to be child free.


My understanding is this is a corollary to his belief that people who don't have kids (namely, gays and Godless liberal women who don't view themselves as child factories) therefore don't have "skin in our democracy" and should no longer be able to vote. So this is the dilution of their vote since you can't run for VP directly arguing to take voting rights away from people.

Did he specify people who have their own children, because I believe previously he threw "step-parents" into the pot with gays?

Flasch186 07-19-2024 04:39 PM


Until they find out how many kids an inner city woman can have


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PilotMan 07-19-2024 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3437383)
We need a Padmé

Someone put a mic in front of Natalie Portman and have her call for a vote of nonconfidence



I mean, if you WANT the Empire, then sure!

RainMaker 07-19-2024 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3437372)
Politicians aren't pawns, but if the people demand other options they will get them. The party absolutely cannot make clear who is going to be the nominee. The only way they get away with that is if people tolerate it. If they want another option, politicians will step up and give it to them.


There were like 11 states that didn't even hold a primary. Another state was told their results wouldn't count because they refused to change the date of it. There wasn't any scheduled debates which would have been helpful in determining Biden's mental status. And anyone who dared step up to challenge was inundated by lawsuits, threats, and blacklisted from the party.

Pretending this was some open primary that the party was holding and giving everyone a fair shot is just a fallacy. The party decided that Biden would be the nominee and didn't want anyone else standing in his way.

When people vote for another option (3rd party candidate) as you suggest, liberals cry about how that candidate stole their vote and helped Trump.

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3437372)
Any of the elected Democrats now saying Biden should step down could have called for a different candidate. People could have lobbied their representatives at any level. They could have urged their own senators/governors to run. They could have done any number of things that they chose not to do. They aren't just helpless bystanders in this process, they have the power. When you choose not to exercise it, that's not the fault of the party who you delegated that authority to of your own free will. It's the fault of the electorate, period.


Biden folks run the DNC and were making it clear they would destroy the political prospects of anyone who dared speak up. Even if it hurt the party.

Just a moment...

I think people were cowardly for not speaking up, but the party has been very clear that you can't cross them when they want something. This of course excludes Sinema, Manchin, and others who blocked policies because Dems don't really give a shit about that stuff.

stevew 07-19-2024 06:42 PM

How many votes do you get if you fuck gloves in between couch cushions

thesloppy 07-19-2024 07:16 PM

Although the media is focused on Biden's age in terms of being infirm and incapable I think that also obscures that the voters (myself included) see many attractive points to Biden stepping down.


One is simply change, we're all tired of seeing the same old politicians getting trotted our and as long as the possibility of replacement remains out there but is undefined, you can imagine all sorts of best case scenarios for yourself. I would be remiss to not mention this is exactly what appeals to MAGA voters too.



Secondarily I think there's a massive amount of voters who would like to see the boomers finally transfer power to the other generations. This is along the lines of age and change, but more specific. Harris is still technically a boomer, but like the above, as long as that option remains undefined we can still pretend some young up and comer will step in.


I think there's a lot of voters that would take that change and transfer of generational power even if it comes at the cost of a lost election (I dunno if I count myself in this group), because it would finally signal a foundational shift that has been long overdue.

Ghost Econ 07-19-2024 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 3437385)

Until they find out how many kids an inner city woman can have


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They could only count black kids at a reduced rate... say three fifths?

stevew 07-19-2024 07:34 PM

Kamala Harris is also a baby boomer, I believe. Like on the very very end of it. Biden isn’t even a boomer.

RainMaker 07-19-2024 09:49 PM


Dutch 07-19-2024 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3437398)
They could only count black kids at a reduced rate... say three fifths?


Not meant for you, but for anybody else they might not know about ChatGPT.

“During the Constitutional Convention, a major point of contention between Northern and Southern states was how to count the enslaved population. Southern states wanted enslaved individuals to be fully counted to boost their representation in the House of Representatives, while Northern states, where slavery was less prevalent, opposed this since it would give the South more political power.”

Vegas Vic 07-19-2024 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3437397)
Secondarily I think there's a massive amount of voters who would like to see the boomers finally transfer power to the other generations.


Well, I guess we could also say that the boomers want to see "The Silent Generation" finally transfer power to the other generations. Biden is so old that he doesn't even make the cut as a boomer. First elected to congress when Richard Nixon was president.

Danny 07-19-2024 11:54 PM

Biden was there to greet Lewis and Clark when they returned from their journey.

thesloppy 07-20-2024 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3437399)
Kamala Harris is also a baby boomer, I believe. Like on the very very end of it. Biden isn’t even a boomer.


She is a boomer technically...which I did mention in my post, but as you and Vic mentioned it is crazy that Biden isn't even young enough to be a boomer. Dude was alive when they bombed Pearl Harbor.

CrimsonFox 07-20-2024 01:19 AM

why is this country so agist...

PilotMan 07-20-2024 07:06 AM

C'mon CF.... this ain't like pushing the 55yr of from the company of 20 years to make way for the younger, cheaper, "better" employee.

GrantDawg 07-20-2024 08:34 AM

Pete getting ready for those VP debates...

Dutch 07-20-2024 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3437409)
why is this country so agist...


I didn’t get a sense for anything like that during Biden’s presidency (until he trounced himself at the debate). While the concept of younger people like GWB and Obama running isn’t new, this hasn’t been the case lately. Just a few months ago the country voted overwhelmingly for Biden and Trump to run for office. The country is definitely concerned about Biden’s cognitive decline, not his age. If he still had his wits (more consistently) about him, this would never have come up.

NobodyHere 07-20-2024 10:33 AM

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JPhillips 07-20-2024 06:22 PM

So the Trump campaign is now saying that for the past week a guy who has let his medical license expire and was demoted by the Navy, has been in charge of Trump's care.

Atocep 07-20-2024 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3437426)
So the Trump campaign is now saying that for the past week a guy who has let his medical license expire and was demoted by the Navy, has been in charge of Trump's care.


Good ol' Ronny Johnson

NobodyHere 07-20-2024 07:23 PM

Honestly thats better than me. I just ask my friend George how I look. He said I looked I looked fine. At least George gives me a minimal fee.

Dutch 07-20-2024 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3437426)
So the Trump campaign is now saying that for the past week a guy who has let his medical license expire and was demoted by the Navy, has been in charge of Trump's care.


The guy telling us Biden is sharp, energetic, and acts 25 years younger than he is has an up to date license. So there’s that.

Mota 07-21-2024 07:45 AM

So in other words, if you pay someone enough money, they'll say whatever you want them to say.

JPhillips 07-21-2024 08:29 AM

Aaron Sorkin suggesting Dems nominate Romney is the new dumbest thing in print.

CrimsonFox 07-21-2024 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3437441)
Aaron Sorkin suggesting Dems nominate Romney is the new dumbest thing in print.


I mean it would make sense for the Centrist DNC

JPhillips 07-21-2024 08:48 AM

No.

Romney wouldn't run as a Dem and Dems wouldn't vote for him.

Also, it's amazing that we're all just numb to Trump's statement that Elon has to be taken care of because he's giving him 45 mil a month. Not only is that staggeringly corrupt, but he's basically admitting a crime as PACs aren't supposed to coordinate with candidates.

GrantDawg 07-21-2024 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3437441)
Aaron Sorkin suggesting Dems nominate Romney is the new dumbest thing in print.



I was coming here to post this. That makes about as much sense as Liz Cheney. Just because they haven't bent the knee to Trump doesn't mean their political positions are palatable to Democrats.

PilotMan 07-21-2024 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3437412)
Pete getting ready for those VP debates...






This is more or less how I would expect Vance to reply.



Coffee Warlord 07-21-2024 12:59 PM

And there it is. Biden drops out.

dubb93 07-21-2024 01:03 PM

Anyone know if The Rock is a democrat?

NobodyHere 07-21-2024 01:04 PM

I still think they should go with Taylor Swift

dubb93 07-21-2024 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3437456)
I still think they should go with Taylor Swift


She couldn’t handle Kanye. Trump would eat her alive. Anyway it’s 2024. It’s a man’s world.

kingfc22 07-21-2024 01:08 PM

And the candidate who actually cares about the country makes the best choice for the country.

Thank you Joe.

GrantDawg 07-21-2024 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3437455)
Anyone know if The Rock is a democrat?



The Rock has started playing footsie with Trump recently.

GrantDawg 07-21-2024 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3437456)
I still think they should go with Taylor Swift



That would be a guaranteed win, but the Democrats are too dumb to do it.

albionmoonlight 07-21-2024 01:11 PM

I think it is a mistake. But maybe there’s something I don’t know.

NobodyHere 07-21-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3437457)
She couldn’t handle Kanye. Trump would eat her alive. Anyway it’s 2024. It’s a man’s world.


But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl

GrantDawg 07-21-2024 01:15 PM

Make no mistake on who has orchestrated this for the past week...



NobodyHere 07-21-2024 01:17 PM

Biden endorses Harris, no shock there.

GrantDawg 07-21-2024 01:17 PM

Cuban's reaction:

thesloppy 07-21-2024 01:18 PM

Man, I thought it was inevitable with the media coverage, and yet it I am still shocked.

It was a no win situation for Joe, but I also feel like being weak enough to submit to the pressure only confirms that he should have dropped out long ago. He and his crew put up a little fight, but if he were truly as capable as he was 4 years then he wouldn't have given up, regardless of the pressure.

Ghost Econ 07-21-2024 01:19 PM

America is fucked

PilotMan 07-21-2024 01:19 PM

Biden could have joined RBG in history as failing to see just how important their horrible decisions had been in ruining the leadership of this country. Thankfully, he made the right call. Good for everyone across the board.

Lathum 07-21-2024 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3437461)
I think it is a mistake. But maybe there’s something I don’t know.


Biden couldn’t win. The narrative was written 3 minutes into the debate.

GrantDawg 07-21-2024 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3437464)
Biden endorses Harris, no shock there.



There was actually some question. There were rumors he would stay neutral and allow an open nomination process. There have been Democrat think tanks floating different process ideas.



Pushing Harris is at least cleaner, and the fact she can more vigorously campaign is a plus. She still has her negatives that might play out as not as much a bump as the party might hope.

Jas_lov 07-21-2024 01:23 PM

Biden made the right decision and one that will be remembered as so. He's endorsed Kamala so she can run on continuing Biden's progress but also running as a change candidate vs Trump. Hopefully she can get back some of the young voters, minorities, women and independents that had abandoned Biden because he was too old.

thesloppy 07-21-2024 01:26 PM

I still am holding out hope for Pete. He's hardly any kind of progressive, but he's a killer in the media, and I could be convinced that's all that matters. Even as VP he'd be a good bulldog.

GrantDawg 07-21-2024 01:32 PM


Jas_lov 07-21-2024 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3437472)
I still am holding out hope for Pete. He's hardly any kind of progressive, but he's a killer in the media, and I could be convinced that's all that matters. Even as VP he'd be a good bulldog.


I think he'd be a better VP option this year. Shapiro, Beshear, or Pete is who I'm hoping for VP. I've seen talk about Kelly, Walz and Cooper but I think it's better to go with someone younger than Kamala.

GrantDawg 07-21-2024 01:47 PM



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