Just read she worked for a while with her husband as a commercial fisherman. Love the Deadliest Catch on Discovery. McCain has finally done something I like.

I qualified it as being my own experiences (and also by an acknowledgment that Eugene is not an ordinary place). It's 100% true, and my own PERSONAL reasons why I have a hard time accepting Democrats.

No idea, I'd have to delve into that 95% (and further back) to see.

I do wish that I had the option to vote for the McCain of 2000 instead of the McCain of 2008. I do think there's some degree of him doing what he thought to do to win the nomination. I don't have a great sense of how much.

Like your vote was ever in question.

Liberals don't think it's that simple either, but I wouldn't want to stop you from stereotyping them. You seem to enjoy doing that so much.

My big problem with liberals...Democrats in particular, whenever someone proposes a tax cut, the mantra in Washington becomes, "how are we going to pay for these tax cuts?"

What the reply should be is, "you need to justify to us (the people) why we shouldn't be keeping more of what we earn."

I saw this on another board, some positive aspects of the Palin selection if you're rooting for Obama:

-the gop have only 2 months to inform the american public of who she is
-she'll have an ethics investigation going on in the background (which I'm sure will quietly go away)
-she has no natural geographic support of importance
-her appeal to independent women will be hurt by her strong anti-choice stances
-she has literally no record on foreign policy - good luck at the debates
-she's spent less time in office than obama
-she and mccain don't know each other
-her pick reinforces 1) his age 2) he had to pick a woman 3) his desperation to make a splash
-this pick also reinforces how poor the gop is doing on national leaders - everyone else was passed over for a reason
-alaska's gop scandals will be brought out to a national audience

I was responding to a specific post, and a very, very common liberal rallying cry.

"We care about the poor more because we want to tax the rich", etc.

That's bs.

Conservatives don't hate poor people and want to blow rich people just because they think that the government can't be trusted with money. I totally respect a liberal argument that the government CAN be trusted, and that their policies work. But all I ever here is how conservatives are in bed with the rich, democrats are about the people, etc. It's not where the argument is.

All this is canceled by the fact that she's a hottie!!! woooo! :cool:

So what's the stupid nickname going to be - McPalin, or McCalin?

This pick is shocking, really. I can't believe it.

I have absolutely no idea how this will turn out, but I look forward to the SNL skits

So what do conservatives think can help alleviate or help those less fortunate?

The US is a capitalist society. Those that are on top have made their money by providing a good or service to a large amount of people. This applies from McDonald's to Walmart, actors to drug dealers. The point is that if the bottom economic rungs of society do better, the top will do better.

Do conservative see that?

what about PaCain?

:lol: Good one Vic.

I respect that opinion. I of course, think that Walmart with billions of dollars helps EVERYONE more than the government with billions of dollars, in a capitalist society.

THAT'S a good/fair debate though. Much different than what how the discussion usually goes. People (both sides) usually just argue in terms of an end result that everybody wants. It's extremely misleading. Democrats saying that they're "for working people" is the same as a Republican saying they're "anti-terror" (which a lot do).

That's actually a good comparison - how annoyed are you when a Republican goes off on a terrorism/defense rant, as if you're in favor of more 9/11s happening. Sure, their solution may be a little more "direct", but that doesn't mean they're the only one that cares about the end result.

So either Joe Biden, a two-time primary loser candidate from Delaware (Delaware!) that stole speeches, or I-don't-even-know-her-name from Alaska (Alaska!) with 2 years under her belt as governor is going to be the Vice President of the USA. Has the whole world gone insane?

McPain?

Apropos of nothing, they selected someone who fired a state officer because they wouldn't fire someone going through a messy divorce with a member of the governor's family? Are YOU SERIOUS???

Ugh.

This is admittedly taken out of context, but I'm sure it will come up over and over again.

Palin on her VP chances:

Agreed. That does piss me off.

Sure it bothers me, but I don't suggest that all conservatives think or say that.

I thought I read in here that this Pain person is hot. Pics?

Palin is her name...lol.

Pic:



on cover of Vogue in 2007.

I wonder if she'll be asked who'd she chose as VP if McCain croaks.

GIS for Palin:



:D

When people say "Americans like this" or "Liberals think this" or "Conservaties think this" they don't litterally mean that every single one, without exception, do.

I mean, we could all qualify our statements that way, every single time (and I try to remember to do that sometimes), but I think most people accept the reverse default. That unless someone specifically says "without exceptions", they're conceding that there's some exceptions.

Sterotypes are extremely helpful in informal discussions, and they're not meaningless. You can hardly say ANYTHING without grouping views of people together. "The Red Sox wanted Manny gone" - well maybe there was a few that didn't. "Democrats like the Biden pick" - well I'm sure there's a bunch that don't. Obama says "the people are ready for change" - well actually some aren't. "Republicans are pro-life" - many aren't. Yet all of those statements tell us something useful about a general truth regarding the consensus of those groups.

Obama' has McCain reactive now.

McCain says Obama has little experience, so he picks Joe Biden.

Obama says you're old, so he picks Paulin.

+1 Obama.

Hell, what the first thing people said about her, "she's hot."

First VP with cankles?

If McCain picked someone with experience, we'd certainly hear "more of the same, business as usual".

What are cankles?

You're forgetting about Nelson Rockefeller.

as if this vote was ever in any sort of doubt.

Do you really think she's going to have any influence on McCain's decisions? I'd have felt better with Lieberman.

I really think the Dems attacking a VP pick (last time I checked, the president runs the country, not the VP) over inexperience would really do them no good. They would just be asking for an aggressive attack that highlights Obama's inexperience.

Palin need to take her glasses off.

Not bad. What is she, late 30s, early 40s? That first big picture is the most flattering. Kind of a school teacher look going on.

Nonono, that gives the naughty school teacher look.

Basically fat ankles. When the calf kind of just merges into the foot without getting much skinnier, so it's more of a cankle than an ankle.

Finally some real substance in this thread.

Is it me or does it seem like McCain made this pick last night right after Obama's speech?

lol.

I'm kind of like her, I have no idea what a VP does day-to-day. (and the Constitution certainly doesn't define that role)

The President has an inner circle - VP, various cabinet members. I'm sure every administration is a little bit different in terms of who the president listens to, who has the most power, etc.

No, I don't think she'll have any influence over McCain's decisions. She's there to try to connect the administration to the people. Even during a McCain presidency, I think that's what she would do - be off doing her own thing, meeting with various important domestic people, probably a lot of support for charities and stuff.

How long will it take before someone Photoshops her head on a porn actress?

I can't fully see her ankles to comment about that accusation.

Watching the speech and she seems very amateurish in the start of her speech but Ill cut her some slack since she's probably blown away by her selection as well.

Bob Barr just announced a crippled gay guy as his VP.

The truth is shrouded in pantsuit! America thinks they are voting for a hottie, but I know there are cankles under there! These Republicans will stoop to anything.

So she's going to be McCain's "attack dog?"

....she's finding her groove now half way through.

She can attack me. But I'm not American and don't really know anything about the election, but she can still attack me for being a bad student.