You got it.

That's what I meant as well.

Gotcha, didn't want our trans-pacific mojos conflicting.

I'm out. Have to go home and sleeeeeep.

*vanish*

Cronin is going to regret having me in this game. I've probably sent him more PMs than I've posted publically in this thread.

If so it's on Tyrith's end as cronin confirmed he's got no record of the message.

Ooh. That's bad. Tyrith is on the block then.

I need to close this window out, or I'll never get any studying done. BTW, got my first real non-Navy paycheck today! Woot!

The following lawsuits will be heard today:

CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES PEREGRINUS BARBARUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES MUSTANGUS SALLUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Antus Meisterus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Autumnus Leavus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Narcizus Lispus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Pathus Twelveus
KAYUS WHITUS SUES Peregrinus Barbarus
Dodgus Erickus sues Lonestarus Girlus
Pathus Twelvus sues Autumnus Leavus
Pathus Twelvus sues Tyrus Ithus
Pathus Twelvus sues Chiefus Rumus
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES DODGUS ERChICKUS
CHIEFUS RUMUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPIS
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Lonstarus Girlus
Peregrinus sues Grammaticus
Grammaticus Atticus sues Perigrinus
Mustang Salleous sues Ironsus Headus
Antus Meisterus sues Lonestarus Girlus
Antus Meisterus sues Coffeus Stainus Warlordus
Narcizo sues Lonestargirl
Narcizo sues Passus Caglius
Narcizo sues NeonChaos
AUTUMNUS SUES PASSUS CAGLIUS
AUTUMNUS SUES LONESTARUS GIRLUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPUS



The following lawsuits will be heard when the courts find time:

Dodgus Erickus sues Ironsus Headus
Dodgus Erickus sues Tyrus Ithus
Dodgus Erickus sues Antus Meisterus
Dodgus Erickus sues Passus Caglius
Dodgus Erickus sues Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Dodgus Erickus sues Narcizus Lispus
Dodgus Erickus sues Autumnus Leavus
Dodgus Erickus sues Chiefus Rumus
Dodgus Erickus sues Peregrinus Barbarus
Dodgus Erickus sues Grammus Atticus
Mustang Salleous sues Lonestarus Girlus
Mustang Salleous sues Abeus Anxietus
Mustang Salleous sues Autumnus Leavus
Mustang Salleous sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Mustang Salleous sues Kayus Whitus
Mustang Salleous sues Narcizus Lispus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Passus Caglius
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Mustangus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Neonus Chaosus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Antmeisterus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Dodgerus Erchickus
GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS SUES Ironus Headus

Grats, AE.

I guess I'd like to hear from Tyrith, too, obvoiusly.

So which is it Ardent? Do you want to submit to the will of the majority or to the will of the majority + 3?

I've got a bunch of lawsuits out there as well, I presume they come after the ones listed.

Narc -- since you seem to be more on top of this game, I'll ask you this:

I'm in agreement with the idea of jailing the lawyers, and checking them out. I know how you can jail them, but -- how do you plan to check them out? Are we going to have someone hire AE to check out NC? If so, what if both are evil? Or is there another way?

If lawsuits could expose a traitor, would a traitor really want to do alot of lawsuits? They need to expand their wealth (unless they are wealthy already) but, at a risk of exposure so, if someone is in the middle or low on the wealth chain with alot of lawsuits, I would tend to lean more towards them not being a Tarq. I'd more target those people in the middle that have done a few lawsuits but, haven't gone overboard (risk/reward... maybe they don't want to push their luck but, they have to do something)

If there a reasonable faction of people wanting me jailed, then do it. That's all I'm saying.

By the way.. not saying AE is or isn't a Tarq.. his post just made me think.

Um... I'm not planning on jailing the lawyers. The plan would be to check them out and then jail them if necessary.

I'm currently considering what we would do if they're both evil. But to be honest I think that we're screwed if that's the case so it doesn't really matter.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

Since antmeister isn't an option, then, I'd choose to jail Tyrith.

I had that thought as well, and considered sending out a bunch of suits as well to spot more traitors. But then I thought it seems like everyone is suing everyone else well enough, and I don't need to mess around with all that. But a thought just now occured to me. Since Dodgerus Chickus is the richest, no one has sued her, assuming she will hire the best lawyer.

PASSUS CAGLIUS SUES DODGERUS CHICKUS

Let's see what happens.

Why so much precaution about simply jailing? If we jail them, maybe we can check them out without their interference.

If you sue somebody and lose, there may be negative consequences. There is also a small chance that evidence of treason may come out.

Therefore, if you are a Tarq in the middle or lower levels, you want to and need to gain wealth but, you aren't going to want to sue everybody. Having alot of lawsuits out there increases your chances so you would want to do a few but, not go overboard. If you were at the top of the wealth chain, you wouldn't probably do any really (good or bad though).

Apparently she has at least twice.

My hope is that no one below me bid on Macro, thinking that I was going to win it.

By the way, we can't arrest the Tribunal or Consul but, if people have that strong of an opinion on one of the members and want them arrested, if a loyalist has the potential services of a killer, couldn't we just make a public plea to have one of the Tribunal or Consul members potentially killed?

Ah, I get it now.

Oh, well. I guess I thought she hadn't, since she kept hiring the best lawyer, and there was never any public record of that hire. I don't remember all the details, and I couldn't find the post where it had everyone's legal win-loss record -- but I did notice that when you claimed to sue everyone, you left her out! :)

Nope, I got the top 3 elsewhere. :)

Yes, but I think there is nowhere near enough suspicion to kill a Tribunal or Consul outright at this point, and besides, given the events of last night, it is extremely unlikely that a loyalist has Macro.

That is a Tarqing post.

Why wouldn't you hope that someone that is a loyalist would have potentially won the services of Macro?

My assumption is that anyone else who bid on Macro is a Tarq.

See that now. Less than an hour ago. Today is not my day.

Already had 2 people suggest Ant to be arrested and it is early. If 10 people want to arrest Ant obviously there is suspicion there beyond me.

Obviously not talking about killing a tribunal or consul member if only one or two people have suspicions. Talking about a group as a whole.

St.Cronin, I had sent in a few suits that I don't see on this list. I don't know if they were missed or got bumped somehow.

It seems that the ability to use the lawyers to scan somebody is out of the control, or knowledge of the lawyers. So, in other words I don't think we have to worry about them lying.

That assumes that a loyalist has Macro, which I don't believe to be the case. It feels like you're trying to get someone to have Macro kill a loyal Senator, and play it off like it was a loyalist move. I have some suspicion of Ant as well -- just not that much.

To all: If you have lawsuits not listed please point me to the post number and I'll add them. I know I have already added a few back in that somehow didn't get cut n pasted right.

I actually feel very certain about Antmeisterus being a traitor. Given that he has managed to get bumped up to Tribune, I am willing to discuss him being killed. Keep in mind that is our only means to remove. Keep also in mind that I blieve the Tribune has the ability to cancel an execution. Given the fact that we have yet to kill any traitors, a free pass for the traitors is extremely dangerous.

If Neonus Chaosus is also a traitor, we are in a tough spot. The fact that he says he received no PM about IMus Thecrewus suggests that either he or AE are liars. I have a better feeling about Ardentus, but would like more evidence on both of them.

I'm very interested in hearing what Tyrith has to say at the moment. It seems odd that anyone is going to lie about something as trivial as sending a message. I'm going to have a look back at the context to see what was going on there as it's not something I even remember.

Good point.

I would at least like to hear from Cronin that I've been hired by so and so to look into so and so. That way at least I have something to go on.

Narcizo, another option we have is to jail Barkeep and Tyrith and hope that we are able to sort this mess out between them with attorney scans today.

Yes, but the message the lawyers receive when someone dies goes directly to them. Not as big of a deal, since the person in question is dead, but if we're talking about voting patterns, it might be useful. However, I can see problems with jailing the lawyers as well, if the info we get from them is definitely true (however, we need to be wary of who hires the lawyer as well).

Just thinking out loud...I need to look at when Schmidty took over for Swaggs to see how long Schmidty was on the job.

From what I can see we've only got a maximum of one scan today.

This is a pretty good idea, but I'm inclined to trust barkeep without worrying about it too much. If he was really tarqing around with his inabilit to arrest anyone, I don't think he would go off on KWhit like that. Then again, I don't think I've played with him all that much.

By the way, if you were a loyalist, why would the Tarqs sit back and allow you a guaranteed win for a potential killer?

Either -

A. You're a Tarq.

B. The Tarq's are hoping someone came to this conclusion to set you up.

I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case. It seems logical that the lawyers would be allowed to decide what they report.

I know we're losing lawyers at a pretty fast rate, but you'd think that if that were the case, one of the loyalist lawyers would have mentioned it.

Does a hiring of Schmidtyus not pass on to Neonus? I assume so, but don't know if anyone is sure of that. Another good reason for the traitors to keep killing lawyers.

Keep in mind also that jailing someone at least keeps them from bidding for a service. So it makes sense to jail someone we suspect with enough wealth to do damage. I think they still get to use the service they have already hired before they go to jail though.

Because at the time, I was the second richest Senator in Rome. There was only one Senator who could have outbid me.

If so, Ardentus and Swaggus would both have to be liars, I believe.